Brutalité de police?

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WanderingDroid
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I'm in the middle of the fence on this one. I'd like to hear your thoughts...


Well, did the brave French police acted accordingly or....european racism on africa is still lives?

*cough* frenchmen making monkey noises during a soccer game *cough*

Kinneary
I don't understand. What's going on? Why were they sitting in the street? And what led up to this removal?

lil bitchiness
Originally posted by Kinneary
I don't understand. What's going on? Why were they sitting in the street? And what led up to this removal?

They were evicted from council houses earlier that month and were protesting. They were living in tents in a suburb and police came and ask them to move, and they refused and the above ensued.

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Firstly, you do not bring a child to any kind of protest. IF you do, for whatever reason, then when an armed police officer tells you to stand up and get moving, you STAND UP AND MOVE.

Second, Europe is a continent not a country. Europeans are also Lithuanians whose African population is virtually non existent. Calling them racist against Africans is silly.

§P0oONY
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
They were evicted from council houses earlier that month and were protesting. They were living in tents in a suburb and police came and ask them to move, and they refused and the above ensued.

. . . . . .

Firstly, you do not bring a child to any kind of protest. IF you do, for whatever reason, then when an armed police officer tells you to stand up and get moving, you STAND UP AND MOVE.

Second, Europe is a continent not a country. Europeans are also Lithuanians whose African population is virtually non existent. Calling them racist against Africans is silly. Nah girl... All us Europeans are racist. Lithuania doesn't have an African population because of the great purge of 1996. A day of great jubilation around the continent.

WanderingDroid
Correct if I'm wrong...but aren't the children also tenants? And since they are not old enough to represent themselves...their parents have to do it.....so they can bring along, right?

Now, there is also the option of leaving the children with their granparents....oh, sorry...they're also tenants as well...heck, I guess the obvious answer is just leave them in the street while the adults go protesting. Yep...that's it.

Robtard
You'd think a bunch of armed and trained men would be capable of dealing with a woman and baby better than knocking her on her ass and then dragging her away with the baby dragging in tow.

Rogue Jedi

Spire
Lol @ dragging the baby before the officer picks him/her up.

Rogue Jedi
Lil B is right. Cop says move, you move.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Lil B is right. Cop says move, you move.

That sort of makes protesting pointless.


Still, the mothers do seem to be putting their children in unnecessary danger.

King Castle
i dont know how to feel.. i think the cops should be able to assess the situation and act accordingly, i dont believe they acted accordingly.

but, i really cant say much since it happen in another country and not sure what laws and behavior is considered tolerable.

Rogue Jedi
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That sort of makes protesting pointless.


Still, the mothers do seem to be putting their children in unnecessary danger. Not really. If they are protesting peacefully, fine.

Here in Houston some workers were protesting a while back. They took it up a notch, blocking the street, backing up traffic, That's when the cops need to step in and take action.

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lil bitchiness
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That sort of makes protesting pointless.


Still, the mothers do seem to be putting their children in unnecessary danger.

That's why one must get a permission from the city before the protest. There are rules one must follow, such as designated areas and the length of protest. If the protest is unauthorised, then there can be trouble.

lil bitchiness
Originally posted by WanderingDroid
Correct if I'm wrong...but aren't the children also tenants? And since they are not old enough to represent themselves...their parents have to do it.....so they can bring along, right?

Now, there is also the option of leaving the children with their granparents....oh, sorry...they're also tenants as well...heck, I guess the obvious answer is just leave them in the street while the adults go protesting. Yep...that's it.
By directly disobeying a police officer while having your infant strapped to you, you're not just putting yourself in danger, but your child as well.

What's next? Irresponsible individuals going on riots and using infants as shields from riot police with philosophy ''you can't do anything, *I* have my kid with me''.

Also, unauthorised protest in the suburbs and refusing to adhere to police warnings is asking for trouble.

Instead of protesting those people should be finding a place to live. Council housing was given to them by the government, where they do not pay any rent. They were evicted for whatever reason, they should seek other housing.

It's not like French government came in and took their houses. Responsible parents look for a place to live, and once they have it, go about dealing with (un) fair evictions.
Not put up a tent in a suburb and refuse to move. Shanty towns are not a correct response. They're in France, FFS, social benefits galore.

§P0oONY
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Order 66? The very same... love

lil bitchiness

Robtard
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Lil B is right. Cop says move, you move.

This is your standard response when police are involved in a thread. Get your mouth of the nightstick, pal.

Not moving when a cop says "move" is no grounds for the cop(s) to endanger a baby, no matter how stupid the mother may or may not have acted. Dragging her away with the baby in tow certainly wasn't the only course of action they could have taken in removing/arresting her. Protecting those they're arresting IS part of the job in being a police officer.

Rogue Jedi
Originally posted by Robtard
This is your standard response when police are involved in a thread. Get your mouth of the nightstick, pal.

Not moving when a cop says "move" is no grounds for the cop(s) to endanger a baby, no matter how stupid the mother may or may not have acted. Dragging her away with the baby in tow certainly wasn't the only course of action they could have taken. Protecting those they're arresting IS part of the in being a police officer.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Not really. If they are protesting peacefully, fine.

Here in Houston some workers were protesting a while back. They took it up a notch, blocking the street, backing up traffic, That's when the cops need to step in and take action.

haermm Wow, what a tough guy you are. I have respect for the law, that's all. When you resist, you make it hard for cops to do their job. What if I came to your job and did the same?

As I said, if they are protesting legally, it's all good. If not, then they have to do what the cop says. Stupid ***** brings her baby to a protest? L-O-L, she's a dumbass. Who's more at fault? The cop, or the woman, for putting her baby in danger?

Let's say you and I are protesting legally, side by side, and you see me do something that crosses the line, that is gonna make a cop come over and order me to stop doing. You gonna lol and say go boy, or you gonna say Hey RJ, you might wanna stop doing that?

Coulda been worse, coulda been this all over again:

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On a side note: Hispanic guy and a black guy in a car. Who's driving?

The Nuul
First of all whoever brings a kid/baby to a protest should be stripped of their child and arrested for child abuse. It is clear that they do not know how to take care of one.

Rogue Jedi
Originally posted by The Nuul
First of all whoever brings a kid/baby to a protest should be stripped of their child and arrest for child abuse. It is clear that they do not know how to take care of one. ****in eh.

Robtard
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
haermm Wow, what a tough guy you are. I have respect for the law, that's all. When you resist, you make it hard for cops to do their job. What if I came to your job and did the same?

As I said, if they are protesting legally, it's all good. If not, then they have to do what the cop says. Stupid ***** brings her baby to a protest? L-O-L, she's a dumbass. Who's more at fault? The cop, or the woman, for putting her baby in danger?

Let's say you and I are protesting legally, side by side, and you see me do something that crosses the line, that is gonna make a cop come over and order me to stop doing. You gonna lol and say go boy, or you gonna say Hey RJ, you might wanna stop doing that?

As do I, but blatant police abuse is just that. Being a cop means using the needed amount of force for a given situation. You're a rather large man, you resisting would obviouly require a different approach than a infant strapped mother sitting on the floor. Did what at my job?

They're obviously poor people and where homeless at the moment, daycare probably wasn't an option for that mother and many others. Either way, this is no grounds for the police to do the dragging of the infant we see.

In the baby being knocked onto concrete and then dragged away? The cops were 100% at fault for that, they were arresting her, they should have handled it differently considering she had an infant on her. Simple as that; it's their job to insure the safely of those they're arresting, that is part of the job.

There were many officers there, it's not like she was over-powering them. One option would have been to restrain her, remove the child and then take them both away without harm.

The Nuul
The Cops should have tear gas their asses first. Makes for a easy clean up afterwards.

Rogue Jedi
Originally posted by Robtard
As do I, but blatant police abuse is just that. Being a cop means using the needed amount of force for a given situation. You're a rather large man, you resisting would obviouly require a different approach than a infant strapped mother sitting on the floor. Did what at my job?

They're obviously poor people and where homeless at the moment, daycare probably wasn't an option for that mother and many others. Either way, this is no grounds for the police to do the dragging of the infant we see.

In the baby being knocked onto concrete and then dragged away? The cops were 100% at fault for that, they were arresting her, they should have handled it differently considering she had an infant on her. Simple as that; it's their job to insure the safely of those they're arresting, that is part of the job.

There were many officers there, it's not like she was over-powering them. One option would have been to restrain her, remove the child and then take them both away without harm.

If I walked in on your job and acted in such a manner that you found your job difficult/impossible to do, would that be fair to you, that's what I am asking. Because when someone behaves in a fashion (i.e. ghetto ***** trying to stop a cop from ticketing her friend, i.e. a protester protesting illegally, breaking the law, and refusing to cooperate with cops as they intervene) that a cop finds it difficult to do their job properly, then **** 'em.

She shouldn't have been protesting illegally (I am assuming she was)

She should have copperated with the cops when they intervened.

She should have her baby taken away for taking it to a protest. What a dumbass, putting her child in harm's way.

The cops might have been a bit rough, but SHE is 100% at fault for having her baby there.

AthenasTrgrFngr
and the cop is 100% at fault for using unnescearry amount of force.

im glad that discussions been handled big grin

Robtard
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
If I walked in on your job and acted in such a manner that you found your job difficult/impossible to do, would that be fair to you, that's what I am asking. Because when someone behaves in a fashion (i.e. ghetto ***** trying to stop a cop from ticketing her friend, i.e. a protester protesting illegally, breaking the law, and refusing to cooperate with cops as they intervene) that a cop finds it difficult to do their job properly, then **** 'em.

She shouldn't have been protesting illegally (I am assuming she was)

She should have copperated with the cops when they intervened.

She should have her baby taken away for taking it to a protest. What a dumbass, putting her child in harm's way.

The cops might have been a bit rough, but SHE is 100% at fault for having her baby there.

You can say "she should have" to this and that till you're blue in the face and you might very well be correct in some or all counts; still doesn't mean the cops weren't at fault in approaching the situation in a totally ****ed up manner, considering an infant was involved.

Let's just say the mother a ****ing retard unfit to be a mother, k. Cops still dragged her away and her baby; put the baby in a dangerous situation, when their job would have been to protect the infant, first and foremost. Here's a novel concept, remove the child BEFORE they dragged her. Another, handcuffed; legged cuffed her and carried her and the infant away. I can go on in approaches that would have worked and not been brutal.

Pretty sure you'd agree that protecting and not harming a infant comes before breaking up a squatting protest and shutting up some jabbering Africans.

A "bit rough", the hell is wrong with you? They dragged a ****ing infant.

Rogue Jedi
Originally posted by Robtard
You can say "she should have" to this and that till you're blue in the face and you might very well be correct in some or all counts; still doesn't mean the cops weren't at fault in approaching the situation in a totally ****ed up manner, considering an infant was involved.

Let's just say the mother a ****ing retard unfit to be a mother, k. Cops still dragged her away and her baby; put the baby in a dangerous situation, when their job would have been to protect the infant, first and foremost. Here's a novel concept, remove the child BEFORE they dragged her. Another, handcuffed; legged cuffed her and carried her and the infant away. I can go on in approaches that would have worked and not been brutal.

Pretty sure you'd agree that protecting and not harming a infant comes before breaking up a squatting protest and shutting up some jabbering Africans.

A "bit rough", the hell is wrong with you? They dragged a ****ing infant.

No. I just watched the vid again. She was on her back, acting a fool, and was moved about a foot. No one was "dragged", the baby wasn't "dragged."

The cops were trying to lift her up, dude. What was she doing on her back with a BABY on her back?

Rogue Jedi
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi





On a side note: Hispanic guy and a black guy in a car. Who's driving? The cops.

Rogue Jedi
This is bullshit. I watched both vids carefully. The cops were legally trying to evict them. By not leaving, the immigrants were breaking the law. The cops tried to escort them away, but they sat down, locked arms, and were all "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH' and jabbering away in Swahili. I watched the cops seperate babies from their mothers, I watched as some of the mothers sat down and refused to cooperate, placing their babies in the line of fire.

The cops did nothing wrong here. The immigrants are just a buncha backwoods dumbasses who don't know how to take care of their kids.

Robtard
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No. I just watched the vid again. She was on her back, acting a fool, and was moved about a foot. No one was "dragged", the baby wasn't "dragged."

The cops were trying to lift her up, dude. What was she doing on her back with a BABY on her back?

You're the ultimate police excuse man. Starting from 00:21, mother and baby are dragged. It's clearly in the video.

Rogue Jedi
Originally posted by Robtard
You're the ultimate police excuse man. Starting from 00:21, mother and baby are dragged. It's clearly in the video.

No. The dumb ***** refused to move, they grabbed her ankles and pulled her MAYBE a foot. She knew the baby was on her back, yet she STILL persisted in acting a fool, KNOWING what was coming. SHE placed her baby in danger, NOT the police. The police went out of their way trying to remove them without being abusive.

There is ZERO police brutality there.

The immigrants are all idiots.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
This is bullshit. I watched both vids carefully. The cops were legally trying to evict them. By not leaving, the immigrants were breaking the law. The cops tried to escort them away, but they sat down, locked arms, and were all "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH' and jabbering away in Swahili. I watched the cops seperate babies from their mothers, I watched as some of the mothers sat down and refused to cooperate, placing their babies in the line of fire.

The cops did nothing wrong here. The immigrants are just a buncha backwoods dumbasses who don't know how to take care of their kids.

BackFire
More inept and lazy cops. This is hardly surprising these days.

Rogue Jedi
Lazy and inept, eh? Look again. The vids are chocked full of cops being gentle with the immigrants (who were in fact trespassing, therefore criminals, NOT protesters). They took the babies away from most of the women and tried lifting them as they women sat on their fat asses and made the cops carry them. Every one of them should have been arrested.

The lady with the baby who was "dragged?" Gimmee a break, the baby was not "dragged", the cops grabbed the lady and pulled her away, and, when seeing that the baby was under her, they stopped.

Again:

SHE placed her baby in danger, NOT the police. The police went out of their way trying to remove them without being abusive.


The cops were trying to lift her up, dude. What was she doing on her back with a BABY on her back?

There is ZERO police brutality there.

And:

This is bullshit. I watched both vids carefully. The cops were legally trying to evict them. By not leaving, the immigrants were breaking the law. The cops tried to escort them away, but they sat down, locked arms, and were all "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH' and jabbering away in Swahili. I watched the cops seperate babies from their mothers, I watched as some of the mothers sat down and refused to cooperate, placing their babies in the line of fire.

You guys can scream "Police brutality" all day, but there is literally ZERO evidence of it in the vids, FACT.

Robtard
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No. The dumb ***** refused to move, they grabbed her ankles and pulled her MAYBE a foot. She knew the baby was on her back, yet she STILL persisted in acting a fool, KNOWING what was coming. SHE placed her baby in danger, NOT the police. The police went out of their way trying to remove them without being abusive.

There is ZERO police brutality there.

Again, you can blame her all you like for being a moron; you might be right. Still doesn't mean the police acted properly considering the giving situation.

You're essentially excusing the police on the grounds that the mother is a moron. Guess what, it's not the infant's fault his/her mother is a moron and the police have an obligation to protect the child first and the mother they're arresting.

On your same reasoning, if a mother holding a infant tried to punch an officer, you'd excuse the police in tazing her, spraying mace or swinging a baton at her. Never mind that those three actions would put the infant greatly in harms way.

You're the ultimate police excuse man, you clearly see her being dragged and the baby tagging along for the drag.

Robtard
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

You guys can scream "Police brutality" all day, but there is literally ZERO evidence of it in the vids, FACT.

The police should hire you as an excuse-man.

The Nuul
The babies/kids shouldn't have been there period regardless of police brutality or not.

Rogue Jedi
Originally posted by Robtard
Again, you can blame her all you like for being a moron; you might be right. Still doesn't mean the police acted properly considering the giving situation.

You're essentially excusing the police on the grounds that the mother is a moron. Guess what, it's not the infant's fault his/her mother is a moron and the police have an obligation to protect the child first and the mother they're arresting.

On your same reasoning, if a mother holding a infant tried to punch an officer, you'd excuse the police in tazing her, spraying mace or swinging a baton at her. Never mind that those three actions would put the infant greatly in harms way.

You're the ultimate police excuse man, you clearly see her being dragged and the baby tagging along for the drag. Nah, not dragged. The lady with the baby who was "dragged?" Gimmee a break, the baby was not "dragged", the cops grabbed the lady and pulled her away, and, when seeing that the baby was under her, they stopped.

It's right there in the vid, stop ignoring it and accept it.

§P0oONY
Originally posted by BackFire
More inept and lazy cops. This is hardly surprising these days. Not to mention the fact they are french.... Bloody frogs. (The English in me speaking)

BackFire
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Lazy and inept, eh? Look again. The vids are chocked full of cops being gentle with the immigrants (who were in fact trespassing, therefore criminals, NOT protesters). They took the babies away from most of the women and tried lifting them as they women sat on their fat asses and made the cops carry them. Every one of them should have been arrested.

The lady with the baby who was "dragged?" Gimmee a break, the baby was not "dragged", the cops grabbed the lady and pulled her away, and, when seeing that the baby was under her, they stopped.

Again:

SHE placed her baby in danger, NOT the police. The police went out of their way trying to remove them without being abusive.


The cops were trying to lift her up, dude. What was she doing on her back with a BABY on her back?

There is ZERO police brutality there.

And:

This is bullshit. I watched both vids carefully. The cops were legally trying to evict them. By not leaving, the immigrants were breaking the law. The cops tried to escort them away, but they sat down, locked arms, and were all "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH' and jabbering away in Swahili. I watched the cops seperate babies from their mothers, I watched as some of the mothers sat down and refused to cooperate, placing their babies in the line of fire.

You guys can scream "Police brutality" all day, but there is literally ZERO evidence of it in the vids, FACT.

Your argument seems to be that because the parents of these children are bad, it is therefor ok for the officers to start dragging them around while they have babies strapped to their back. As if their bad parenting negates the obvious bad police work here.

They sat down and locked arms? Damn them, how dare they sit down. What a vile group, sitting down and all.

Rogue Jedi
Originally posted by BackFire
Your argument seems to be that because the parents of these children are bad, it is therefor ok for the officers to start dragging them around while they have babies strapped to their back. As if their bad parenting negates the obvious bad police work here.

They sat down and locked arms? Damn them, how dare they sit down. What a vile group, sitting down and all. No. You totally missed my point.

BackFire
Nah, no point was really made, simply excuses as to the poor police work that was video recorded here.

You can say that the police didn't put anyone in danger all you want, the video is right there for all to see. They dragged a woman with a baby on her back before stopping. At best, this was a hasty reaction on their part to her sitting down somewhere, at worst, it was brutality.

Rogue Jedi
Sure, OK.

Robtard
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Nah, not dragged. The lady with the baby who was "dragged?" Gimmee a break, the baby was not "dragged", the cops grabbed the lady and pulled her away, and, when seeing that the baby was under her, they stopped.

It's right there in the vid, stop ignoring it and accept it.

Except for the fact that we see the baby laying on its back and then the mother is dragged (you'll call it pulled), we clearly see the baby dragging along behind her.

It was also blatantly obvious there was a child behind her before she was dragged (you'll call it pulled), so this angle of "they stopped when they saw the baby" is total BS, they stopped AFTER they dragged an infant a couple of feet. Very poor police work at best.

Can't believe I'm arguing for something that is clearly and easily seen.

Rogue Jedi
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Sure, OK.

WanderingDroid
To avoid duplicate threads I will post this video here.



This is the worst case scenerio....a Mall Cop Brutality.



WARNING! The Video contains disturbing and offensive physical actions agaisnt a deaf/mute person. If you're sensitive to violence please do not watch.

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King Castle
was this in france?

last i checked shop security is not authorized to physically restrain anyone due to being sued and also still being an assault crime.

Rogue Jedi
lol @ mall cops. They're nothing more than security guards.

King Castle
i blame the movie mall cop....

Kevin James should be on trial for inciting violence on shoplifters and shoppers...

kinda like in the 90's with the rappers about their music.. but instead a fat white guy comedian..drylaugh
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