Talisman Vs Arion

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Prep-Man
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Warlord
I'm thinking Arion... thousands of years of experience plus the most powerful mystic in atlantis

guy222
talisman

Prep-Man
Originally posted by Warlord
I'm thinking Arion... thousands of years of experience plus the most powerful mystic in atlantis

This would be good. Arion is a beast.

Warlord
I think the same...I'd put him among the most powerful magic users of DC earth

Prep-Man
All of comics, really. Have you seen his respect thread? He's up there with the likes of Fate.

Warlord
I should visit the respect thread... I remember him from his apearences in Superman and JLA books...he's a beast

Prep-Man
Originally posted by Warlord
I should visit the respect thread... I remember him from his apearences in Superman and JLA books...he's a beast

I'm talking before that, though. When he had his own series.

Warlord
I should check...aparently they will include even more great showings

Prep-Man
They called him sorcerers supreme in his time. His mother was a star and this is what he did to her.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Arion/?action=view&current=arionloa01-13ocdhorus.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Arion/?action=view&current=arionloa01-17ocdhorus.jpg
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Arion/?action=view&current=arionloa01-18ocdhorus.jpg

Prep-Man
Weakens Mordru

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Arion/?action=view&current=JSA-050-25-1.jpg
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Arion/?action=view&current=JSA-050-26-1.jpg

Prep-Man
Takes control of Martian Manhunter.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Arion/?action=view&current=hawkmanv33324.jpg

Thanks to Desaad for the pics.

Messes with Wonder Woman

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Arion/?action=view&current=WonderWoman108-07.jpg

Cubey
That's impressive thumb up

-K-M-
Originally posted by Warlord
I'm thinking Arion... thousands of years of experience plus the most powerful mystic in atlantis

Talisman has access to thousand years of experience.

Also his magic would amp Talisman FYI

Prep-Man
Originally posted by Cubey
That's impressive thumb up

Yeah, there is more, he can also summon powerful monsters and whatnot.

-K-M-
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Yeah, there is more, he can also summon powerful monsters and whatnot.

Talisman can summon and control the Great Beasts wink

Prep-Man
Yeah, it seems every top tier mage can do those types of thing. Who wins, BTW?

-K-M-
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Yeah, it seems every top tier mage can do those types of thing. Who wins, BTW?

Ideally Talisman, really anything he throws at her she would instantly cancel or just grow stronger from it.

TheTyrant
Originally posted by Prep-Man
They called him sorcerers supreme in his time. His mother was a star and this is what he did to her.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Arion/?action=view&current=arionloa01-13ocdhorus.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Arion/?action=view&current=arionloa01-17ocdhorus.jpg
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Arion/?action=view&current=arionloa01-18ocdhorus.jpg

What comic are those scans from?

Prep-Man
Originally posted by -K-M-
Ideally Talisman, really anything he throws at her she would instantly cancel or just grow stronger from it.

Mordru has the same abilities, though. And Arion was able to at least weaken him. Plus, great mages have the ability to absorb magic. As does Arion.

Prep-Man
Originally posted by TheTyrant
What comic are those scans from?

Arion, Lord of Atlantis, I believe.

-K-M-
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Mordru has the same abilities, though. And Arion was able to at least weaken him. Plus, great mages have the ability to absorb magic. As does Arion.

That's Talisman main power, she is the channel for magic. She can cancel out skyfather beings and their blasts don't hurt her they make her stronger. They don't on her level, that's her biggest ability.

Prep-Man
Originally posted by -K-M-
That's Talisman main power, she is the channel for magic. She can cancel out skyfather beings and their blasts don't hurt her they make her stronger. They don't on her level, that's her biggest ability.

I know, but so is Arion and his brother. They have access and is the source of all ancient magic in the universe.

Arion's battled gods as well. Even gloating about it.

-K-M-
Originally posted by Prep-Man
I know, but so is Arion and his brother. They have access and is the source of all ancient magic in the universe.

Arion's battled gods as well. Even gloating about it.

Talisman is connected to Eternity, and he created rules for Talisman to enforce.

Which gods?

Prep-Man
Dark God Chaon and a supreme being from Darkworld in his own dimension. He was actually making the being stronger, but used a spell to overcome him in his own realm.

Has Talisman ever gone up against a top mage? I think this is a good mage battle. Both with a crap load experience and unlmiited magic to conjure.

TheTyrant
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Arion, Lord of Atlantis, I believe.

Thanks.

-K-M-
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Dark God Chaon and a supreme being from Darkworld in his own dimension. He was actually making the being stronger, but used a spell to overcome him in his own realm.

Has Talisman ever gone up against a top mage? I think this is a good mage battle. Both with a crap load experience and unlmiited magic to conjure.

Featless gods.

Yes. Ideally I would say Arion is more skilled, but due to Talisman power using magic on her is a bad move.

Prep-Man
These gods were capable of throwing the universe out of wack. I'm thinking they are quite powerful.

-K-M-
Originally posted by Prep-Man
These gods were capable of throwing the universe out of wack. I'm thinking they are quite powerful.

Many people can do that, not even gods. Their powers were nothing incredible.

Prep-Man
Who can easily destroy dimensions on a whim and cause the universe to spiral out of control? Who are these people, because it's pretty powerful no matter how you look at it.

And on top of that, Arion CASUALLY disposed of these beings.

-K-M-
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Who can easily destroy dimensions on a whim and cause the universe to spiral out of control? Who are these people, because it's pretty powerful no matter how you look at it.

And on top of that, Arion CASUALLY disposed of these beings.

Talisman and the Great Beasts, Llan, Dreamqueen all beings Talisman beat.

So did Talisman.

Prep-Man
Talisman touched someone and destroyed dimensions? Because that's all these beings did. Touch.

-K-M-
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Talisman touched someone and destroyed dimensions? Because that's all these beings did. Touch.

No the other beings did, and Talisman easily beat them.

Prep-Man
Do you have the scans? I guess it's a close match.

-K-M-
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Do you have the scans? I guess it's a close match.

All in the respect threads.

Prep-Man
Hmm, forgot you di the AF one. Thanks. Not too many battles to judge how she would do against a skilled Mage, though.

-K-M-
Incredible well considering she was a rival of Dr.Strange even when she first got her powers.

Prep-Man
Would you put her above Strange?

-K-M-
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Would you put her above Strange?

I'd say their basically even, but there are other versions of Talisman as in different "hosts" that are above him.

Prep-Man
The male host? Which one? Did they ever battle it out?

Desaad
Originally posted by -K-M-
No the other beings did, and Talisman easily beat them.

Hmm? When did Dreamqueen, Llan or the Great Beasts cause universal level chaos that way? Dreamqueen had the ability to manipulate her one realm, like Nightmare, and Llan while impressive never did anything on any sort of grand scale that way, that I can recall. His main issue was trying to break down the wall to get his army, IIRC.

-K-M-
Naaaa...that was a weaker host Talisman (male), it was the Talisman "host" from 20,000 years ago that was above them all. She easily beat Llan in a straight up fight, and if you know Llan that's INSANE.

-K-M-
Originally posted by Desaad
Hmm? When did Dreamqueen, Llan or the Great Beasts cause universal level chaos that way? Dreamqueen had the ability to manipulate her one realm, like Nightmare, and Llan while impressive never did anything on any sort of grand scale that way, that I can recall. His main issue was trying to break down the wall to get his army, IIRC.

Dreamqueen constantly destroys her own universe and recreates in on a whim. She did it multiple times

Great Beasts killed everyone in their universe, and are on a planet that was said to be once like Earth.

Llan was said to be a devourer or universe, but we never saw him directly do it due to the Rules of Engagement.

Prep-Man
Arion's father said he destroyed dimensions and Arion is above him.

BTW, is Llan above Dormammu?

-K-M-
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Arion's father said he destroyed dimensions and Arion is above him.

BTW, is Llan above Dormammu?

Their close, he pretty much maxes out all the stats.

Desaad
Originally posted by -K-M-
Dreamqueen constantly destroys her own universe and recreates in on a whim. She did it multiple times

But her own 'nightmare' universe is different. They even allude to her not really ruling anything, just like Nightmare himself. That's why she's called "dream queen"...it's not a PHYSICAL universe. I'm talking about a legit reality.



Gotcha. Didn't know that about the Beasts, and that's a never on Llan then.

-K-M-
Originally posted by Desaad
But her own 'nightmare' universe is different. They even allude to her not really ruling anything, just like Nightmare himself. That's why she's called "dream queen"...it's not a PHYSICAL universe. I'm talking about a legit reality.

Gotcha. Didn't know that about the Beasts, and that's a never on Llan then.

Definetly, but it's the same principle as the "gods" Prep-Man mentioned, hence why I brought her up.

Others are physical, Llan destroyed mystical dimensions but never a universe due to Eternity stepping in.

Desaad
But the gods' powers affected the real, physical universe which I think is distinct -- that's more a Master Order/Lord Chaos type deal, and those guys are absurdly powerful.

Just saying.

I also want to add I don't know Talisman at all. Seems powerful as hell, though.

-K-M-
Originally posted by Desaad
But the gods' powers affected the real, physical universe which I think is distinct -- that's more a Master Order/Lord Chaos type deal, and those guys are absurdly powerful.

Just saying.

I also want to add I don't know Talisman at all. Seems powerful as hell, though.

I must be thinking of different characters then, as the characters I'm thinking of were the split image of Dreamqueen. Know the issue numbers?

Don't worry no one does, she is obscure like all AF characters :P

Desaad
No idea. I have a respect thread somewhere on here or herochat I think that I did some time back, but it's been years, and frankly those were some awful, awful books.

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