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1: Fight

2: If joker were the crime lord of marvel new york would he do a better job then the kingpin?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
1: Fight

2: If joker were the crime lord of marvel new york would he do a better job then the kingpin? he would handle it totally different. not so much more in a better way but crime would be higher and more casualties.

Kingpin is more sneaky and handles and organizes the crime to get what he wants.

1# Slight majority for Kingpin in a fight. Worst come to worst, big man gets scarred with acid.

2# Joker existence in Marvel NY would be unrealistic, than normal for Marvel.

Originally posted by chomperx9
he would handle it totally different. not so much more in a better way but crime would be higher and more casualties.

Kingpin is more sneaky and handles and organizes the crime to get what he wants. So what your saying is kingpin is more precise and joker would just love the mayhem?

But as far as controlling the city and doing what the kingpin does(launder money,killings,not being caught by any authoritys,etc...)

joker gets caught at the end of most arcs hes in if not all... whereas there are plenty of arcs where the kingpin comes out just fine and just as untouchable

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
joker gets caught at the end of most arcs hes in if not all... whereas there are plenty of arcs where the kingpin comes out just fine and just as untouchable But in this situation joker has all the resources the kingpin has all the people.

Although I see joker killing the arranger just for fun...

1. In a random encounter Kingpin likely wins unless Joker pulls out some crazy trick likely laughing gas.

2. No. He might pull off a one time great crime spree but there's not much tolerance for his antics. Punisher or Wolverine would kill him when they get their hands on him. Kingpin can get away with his crimes but Joker tends want people to know it was him.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
1. In a random encounter Kingpin likely wins unless Joker pulls out some crazy trick likely laughing gas.

2. No. He might pull off a one time great crime spree but there's not much tolerance for his antics. Punisher or Wolverine would kill him when they get their hands on him. Kingpin can get away with his crimes but Joker tends want people to know it was him. One time?You don't think the joker with the kingpins powers could to better then that?

like he said, the joker enjoys letting people know what hes done. he likes the attention and not getting caught isnt necessarily his goal either.

he wouldnt be able to sit comfortably behind the scenes using plausible deniability, proxies, fall guys, and paid off public officials to avoid capture

but the Jokers CHRAZZZZY!!

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
like he said, the joker enjoys letting people know what hes done. he likes the attention and not getting caught isnt necessarily his goal either.

he wouldnt be able to sit comfortably behind the scenes using plausible deniability, proxies, fall guys, and paid off public officials to avoid capture
The Joker has done the behind the scenes thing before.
He once played Two-Face like a fiddle with noting but a microphone hid in a raido.
In a fight,the Joker would need his gimmicks to pull off a win most probably. Unless he tricked KP into taking himself out.

And the Joker could run the Criminal Empire and probably do pretty good at it,but after a while He would get bored with just doing only that.

He would have to go out and get his name in the papers.
Probably by killing a shit load of people.
But yes.
Punisher/DD/Spidey,and the othher endless cadre of NYC Marvel Heros wouldn't let the Joker slid like they do the KingPin,but then the Joker would probably relish the fun of messing with the heros more then KP.

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Originally posted by Flyattractor

The Joker has done the behind the scenes thing before.
He once played Two-Face like a fiddle with noting but a microphone hid in a raido.
In a fight,the Joker would need his gimmicks to pull off a win most probably. Unless he tricked KP into taking himself out.

And the Joker could run the Criminal Empire and probably do pretty good at it,but after a while He would get bored with just doing only that.

He would have to go out and get his name in the papers.
Probably by killing a shit load of people.
But yes.
Punisher/DD/Spidey,and the othher endless cadre of NYC Marvel Heros wouldn't let the Joker slid like they do the KingPin,but then the Joker would probably relish the fun of messing with the heros more then KP. Clowns have more fun.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Clowns have more fun. But fat people are supposed to be jolly.

Joker pwns untill he gets bored and hubris kicks in.

In the fist-fight Joker sprays acid into Fisks eyes. Then calls an ambulance.. or does he

spraying acid in fisks eyes stops him how?

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
spraying acid in fisks eyes stops him how? By melting his head into a puddle?

This is the Joker were talking about.

Originally posted by Flyattractor

The Joker has done the behind the scenes thing before.
He once played Two-Face like a fiddle with noting but a microphone hid in a raido.
In a fight,the Joker would need his gimmicks to pull off a win most probably. Unless he tricked KP into taking himself out.

And the Joker could run the Criminal Empire and probably do pretty good at it,but after a while He would get bored with just doing only that.

He would have to go out and get his name in the papers.
Probably by killing a shit load of people.
But yes.
Punisher/DD/Spidey,and the othher endless cadre of NYC Marvel Heros wouldn't let the Joker slid like they do the KingPin,but then the Joker would probably relish the fun of messing with the heros more then KP. Can you give more details on how he played Two-Face? Havent read that story.

Its a pretty old story. It is an arc that follows after the (first)death of Jason Todd the first Robin,and introduces Tim Drake.
Basically the Joker is recuperating from his being shot,and blown up in a helicopter,and to keep himself amused he manipulates Two-Face into hiring villians and commiting crimes to drive Batman nuts.
He plays on TF's insanity and all he uses is a mic in a radio. He makes TF think its one of his inner voices.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
By melting his head into a puddle?

This is the Joker were talking about. this is fisk we're talking about. hes taken multiple gunshots to the chest with no problem

lol poor Dent. Thanks for the info.

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
this is fisk we're talking about. hes taken multiple gunshots to the chest with no problem
Yes. And this is the Joker were still talking about.
And Acid in your eyes,ya can't really shake off having your face turned into soggy uncooked hamburger.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Its a pretty old story. It is an arc that follows after the (first)death of Jason Todd the first Robin,and introduces Tim Drake.
Basically the Joker is recuperating from his being shot,and blown up in a helicopter,and to keep himself amused he manipulates Two-Face into hiring villians and commiting crimes to drive Batman nuts.
He plays on TF's insanity and all he uses is a mic in a radio. He makes TF think its one of his inner voices.

Thats kinda plausible considering TF is already nuts.

Jokes is no good at running his criminal empire but that also makes him a better character arguably than Kingpin because he doesn't need to hide behind an empire.

Joker is dangerous without one or you could argue a weaker character than Kingpin because he can't run a criminal empire to his advantage. Depends what side of the fence you want to take but in this case i would back Kingpin.

Although you have got to admire how many times Joker loses all his stuff when he gets sent to arkham only to come back and put himself back on top in relatively short amounts of time through pure willpower and ruthless killings.

Originally posted by Deadline
Thats kinda plausible considering TF is already nuts. That's true, but he's no idiot, far from it actually. Manipulating him like that is something.

TF has some very particular ways he operates, play by those rules and hes butter in your hands.

1 kp

2 No and he'd get killed

Originally posted by 753
1 kp

2 No and he'd get killed

This.

In the second scenario, he would die quickly. Metas in Gotham are less common that in New-York, in Marvel. Just imagine how ugly it would turn out when Iron Man or Thor decide to stop his shit?

Or what about Punisher, blowing his face with a sniper rifle shot? Or Ghost Rider? Anyway, you get the point.

true. in NY the name of the game is keeping a low profile so that you only have to deal with those you can.

Originally posted by SamZED
That's true, but he's no idiot, far from it actually. Manipulating him like that is something. His insanity makes him easily manipulated, in the case with Joker, at least.

As for this thread, someone kills Joker.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
1: Fight

2: If joker were the crime lord of marvel new york would he do a better job then the kingpin?

1. Kingpin chokes the life out of him, he did defeat the Red Skull in pitched combat after all.

2. Don't know?

1. Kingpin shoots him with a cane laser before Joker can get close enough to spray him with acid.

2. Joker in NY? He lasts roughly a couple of dozen murders before someone takes him out. Prolly Punisher snipes him.