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Moondragon already beat Mantis.

However, I'm still inclined to say that Mantis is a better fighter and should take a majority in h2h.

Yeah, I wasnt very convinced by that fight either. What about an arena battle with all their powers?

Originally posted by Konton
Moondragon already beat Mantis.

However, I'm still inclined to say that Mantis is a better fighter and should take a majority in h2h.
IDK, the whole point of that fight was to find out who was a better fighter, and Moondragon won strait up. I know that outside of that fight Mantis has better feats overall, but that's really only because the old writers prefered showcasing Moondragon's telepathy and Mantis's martial arts. It's been established that they went through pretty much the same combat training so I'm willing to support the way the fight went down between the two since Moondragon's problem is a lack of showings rather than low showings.

Mantis due to prcognition ability

Moondragon. As pointed out, she already squarely beat Mantis in H2H and knocked her out cold. She's had basically the same training but seemed to be the more disciplined fighter of the two, which is why she won. If full powers were on it would be interesting.

MD won already, and despite the fact she doesn't have the high-end feats Mantis has displayed, her martial arts have always been quite powerful, and she was more disciplined than Mantis back in the day.

Current Mantis has pyrokinesis and precog, though.

I'll go with Moondragon as well. In the Infinity Gauntlet Arc, she was a beast, fighting dudes waaaaays above her own league and holding her own.

Anyone know which comic they fought in? All these supportive comments for MD is making me curious!

Originally posted by vansonbee
Anyone know which comic they fought in? All these supportive comments for MD is making me curious!

They fought in the comic where Mantis get beaten by Moondragon.

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Moondragon confuses me. When did she become such a great fighter? Did she recieve an upgrade or something that i'm not aware of? I have a ton of comics with her in them and she always seemed to be getting her ass kicked (granted they were in the 70's and early 80's though when she was hanging with the Avengers).

Originally posted by tkitna
Moondragon confuses me. When did she become such a great fighter? Did she recieve an upgrade or something that i'm not aware of? I have a ton of comics with her in them and she always seemed to be getting her ass kicked (granted they were in the 70's and early 80's though when she was hanging with the Avengers).

Honestly it was just a BS low showing for Mantis, like when she lost to Dr. Strange in h2h.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Honestly it was just a BS low showing for Mantis, like when she lost to Dr. Strange in h2h.
I'm pretty sure she didn't lose to Strange H2H...

In cas th OP didnt make it clear, this is a battle with all their powers, niot just h2.

Right now for mantis that would be: total physiological self-control, ubber martial arts and TP, empathy, precognition (apparently has constant knowledge of the unfolding of future vents), pyrokinesis, communication and control of plant life and astral projection.

For moondragon: near total physiological self-control, ubber martial arts and TP (likely stronger than mantis's), weak TK

Moondragon.Almost as good as mantis H2h and has telepathy.

^ so has mantis

Mantis.

heather wins

only if she gets a wig

Moondragon wins.

Originally posted by tkitna
Moondragon confuses me. When did she become such a great fighter? Did she recieve an upgrade or something that i'm not aware of? I have a ton of comics with her in them and she always seemed to be getting her ass kicked (granted they were in the 70's and early 80's though when she was hanging with the Avengers).


She's always been good. Its just later on writers forgot and focused more on her mind abilities. She was trained in the alien martial arts of Titan by the monks there IIRC.

Even when she fought Cap(Cap was hindered at the time) she stated she always wanted to test her alien art vs Cap's honed experience. In that contest she won.(but could she have defeated Cap without the SSS degenerating...will never know unless the rematch)

Another time Daredevil a very known pressure point fighter would out skilled as Moondragon used her alien pressure points to give him back his sight.

And to top is off she even floor a energy being that gave Thor trouble, to later of course proving that she was better then Mantis in hand to hand combat.

So her martial art background was always there just later on ignored.

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Originally posted by Evolve
Mantis/Black Panther vs Dr. Strange


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what's so hard to believe? she wasn't even sure she could beat strange....

in all seriousness, i've never really gotten all the mantis hype. someone feel free to show some scans of something impressive and i'll happily change my mind....

Originally posted by guy222
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Moondragon kick ass, but Holy Shit if it's not the worst drawn women I ever seen!

Currently, Mantis wins just barely.

Classic Moondragon would mind rape Mantis into a vegetable with a blink of an eye.

Mantis kicks baldie`s butt.