You have 10 seconds to explain to me why America should continue to support Israel.

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Zeal Ex Nihilo
Israel is a piece of shit. Not that Palestinians aren't culpable in the Israel-Palestine conflict, but I'm sick of my tax dollars going to a bunch of thug Jews who commit atrocities on a daily basis and then try and hide behind the ****ing Holocaust.

majid86
Ditto but calling Israel a piece of shit is not cool man.

RE: Blaxican
lol.

I'm sure someone is going to cry about this being trolling or whatever, even though it's clearly not.

You could be a little bit more subtle though.

Tattoos N Scars
Hell, our tax dollars finance worse things than that.

Kaibs
Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Hell, our tax dollars finance worse things than that.

Pretty much.

Lord Lucien
To prevent the destruction of Israel, a potential(?) military buffer against the Arab world and the fanatics who now (undoubtedly thanks to Israel and Western imperialism) infest it.

To support America's ally and not appear to be even bigger douchebags (to their other allies) than they already look.

To appease the millions of Americans who do support Israel and could potentially cause a serious economic and social uproar in the event that it's destroyed.



Really, if all you're pissed about is your tax dollars being wasted, I'm sure there's a large pallet of options out there for you to choose from that are costlier than Israel.

And if you're pissed that America supports what you call a bully regime, then you'd be better suited to protesting your own country.

Zeal Ex Nihilo
Implying that the destruction of Israel wouldn't benefit the Middle East as a whole.

Implying that Israel is worth being called an ally.

Implying that AIPAC isn't a cancer on democracy.

Tattoos N Scars
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
To prevent the destruction of Israel, a potential(?) military buffer against the Arab world and the fanatics who now (undoubtedly thanks to Israel and Western imperialism) infest it.

To support America's ally and not appear to be even bigger douchebags (to their other allies) than they already look.

To appease the millions of Americans who do support Israel and could potentially cause a serious economic and social uproar in the event that it's destroyed.



Really, if all you're pissed about is your tax dollars being wasted, I'm sure there's a large pallet of options out there for you to choose from that are costlier than Israel.

And if you're pissed that America supports what you call a bully regime, then you'd be better suited to protesting your own country.


co-signed.

FistOfThe North
because jesus ain't returnin' to no promise land to give you cudos in the form of a one way ticket straight to heaven for protecting his country and men and being a proclaimed christian nation..

know why cause he doesn't exist!

Lord Lucien
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Implying that the destruction of Israel wouldn't benefit the Middle East as a whole.It probably would.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Implying that Israel is worth being called an ally.They are.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Implying that AIPAC isn't a cancer on democracy. No more than Bill O'Reilly.

Zeal Ex Nihilo
Bill O'Reilly is less bad than Glenn Beck.

RE: Blaxican
So he's the winner of the special Olympics? That's... kind of bittersweet, really. Not something to necessarily be happy about, lol.

Lord Lucien
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Bill O'Reilly is less bad than Glenn Beck. And Israel is... less bad than either of them.

Member.
Israel isn't bad. Some people in the IAF and the people in the Israeli Government have their own agendas that coincide with the beginnings of the Nazi party.

Zeal Ex Nihilo
In truth, AIPAC probably is less destructive to America than Glenn Beck.

Lord Lucien
Or Barack Obama.

Zeal Ex Nihilo
Obama hasn't really destroyed America. Glenn Beck is more poisonous than any of Obama's "socialist" policies. The fact that Beck managed to inspire a nation to fight for health insurance companies is an impressive feat.

Lord Lucien
A man on the TV appealing to a group is one thing. But a man in the most powerful officer in the world with the ability to destroy the world (literally) is far more dangerous. As is his debt.

Zeal Ex Nihilo
As the Republican blockade has shown, Obama actually isn't that powerful.

Lord Lucien
Far more than Glenn Beck.

Robtard
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Israel is a piece of shit. Not that Palestinians aren't culpable in the Israel-Palestine conflict, but I'm sick of my tax dollars going to a bunch of thug Jews who commit atrocities on a daily basis and then try and hide behind the ****ing Holocaust.

What's the budget the US spends on Israel; can you say without searching first?

RE: Blaxican
10 bajillion schamillion dollars.

http://www.mauchle.name/images/dr-evil.jpg

King Kandy
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Bill O'Reilly is less bad than Glenn Beck.
No, he really isn't. The fact that you are saying that is pretty much proving how O'Reilly (who is totally insane) has managed to convince people that he actually is reasonable. The fact that O'Reilly has influence among moderates and hyper-conservatives alike makes him much more dangerous.

Zeal Ex Nihilo
Originally posted by Robtard
What's the budget the US spends on Israel; can you say without searching first?
Three billion. Pennies compared to our government revenue overall, but I have grown to loathe Zionists with a passion.
Originally posted by King Kandy
No, he really isn't. The fact that you are saying that is pretty much proving how O'Reilly (who is totally insane) has managed to convince people that he actually is reasonable. The fact that O'Reilly has influence among moderates and hyper-conservatives alike makes him much more dangerous.
Bill O'Reilly plays second fiddle to Glenn Beck. He's less bad than Glenn Beck because he has less influence than Glenn Beck.

King Kandy
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Bill O'Reilly plays second fiddle to Glenn Beck. He's less bad than Glenn Beck because he has less influence than Glenn Beck.
The O'Reilly factor has more viewers than Beck's show.

Zeal Ex Nihilo
And yet he wasn't the one speaking at the Restoring Honor rally, now was he?

Lord Lucien
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Three billion. Pennies compared to our government revenue overall, but I have grown to loathe Zionists with a passion. Passion enough to destroy Israel if you could?

Zeal Ex Nihilo
That depends. Am I God in this situation and thus exempt from petty human notions of morality, or am I dude with bombs?

Lord Lucien
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
That depends. Am I God in this situation and thus exempt from petty human notions of morality, or am I dude with bombs? No, you're who you are now. If the situation was given to you, and along came a chance for you to be personally involved in the destruction of Israel, would you partake? Whether it be a commander of an operation, and intelligence operative, a soldier with a rifle, or whatever. Would you be willing to include yourself in that country's destruction? Or at the very least, do you want it to be destroyed?

Zeal Ex Nihilo
Here's a better question: why are you asking me this? Do you think that you're probing my inner psyche? Or do you think that you're deconstructing an Internet persona of false bravado that I put on when I'm online? Do you hope to ensnare me in a statement and claim that I'm as bad as Hitler? Do you think you're going to use the Socratic Method on me to awaken me to some fundamental truth?

King Kandy
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
And yet he wasn't the one speaking at the Restoring Honor rally, now was he?
That's because Glenn Beck has more appeal to the ULTRA FAR RIGHT. Bill has appeal to both far right kooks, and moderate republicans. That's what makes him worse.

Lord Lucien
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Here's a better question: why are you asking me this? Do you think that you're probing my inner psyche? Or do you think that you're deconstructing an Internet persona of false bravado that I put on when I'm online? Do you hope to ensnare me in a statement and claim that I'm as bad as Hitler? Do you think you're going to use the Socratic Method on me to awaken me to some fundamental truth? Do you think this is counts as dodging the question? I'm curious, I like to hear people's reasons. So what would you do?

Zeal Ex Nihilo
Originally posted by King Kandy
That's because Glenn Beck has more appeal to the ULTRA FAR RIGHT. Bill has appeal to both far right kooks, and moderate republicans. That's what makes him worse.
Glenn Beck is a figurehead around a movement that is becoming a major political force. A movement largely consisting of easily-manipulated retards who jump at the word "socialism." A movement of suckers destined to feed corporations.

O'Reilly is somewhere in the background doing nothing.

I would dismantle Israel as a country if I could, though I wouldn't destroy its people. Alternatively, I would forcibly institute a two-state system and bitchslap any dissenters.

Lord Lucien
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
I would dismantle Israel as a country if I could, though I wouldn't destroy its people. Alternatively, I would forcibly institute a two-state system and bitchslap any dissenters. Ah. Okay.

And just to be a dick:

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
but I'm sick of my tax dollars going to a bunch of THUG Jews who commit atrocities on a daily basis big grin

King Kandy
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Glenn Beck is a figurehead around a movement that is becoming a major political force. A movement largely consisting of easily-manipulated retards who jump at the word "socialism." A movement of suckers destined to feed corporations.

O'Reilly is somewhere in the background doing nothing.
25% of americans watch Fox, of which O'Reilly is by far the most popular program. Tea Partiers, while no exact number for how many exist, I see nothing indicating they even come close to approaching that number. Just because they make a lot of noise doesn't change the fact that often times it is actually the people in the background that make the most difference. Especially when the tea party has so far failed to meet expectations in their performances in midterms.

O'Reilly is in the background driving all republicans farther to the right... Glenn Beck is on the foreground doing nothing but speaking to an audience that has ideas identical to his own and thus are not creating change in their system of values.

EDIT: Lol, I actually did find a statistic for americans in the tea party after looking a bit more: 2%.

Lord Lucien
Wow. That's... that's a lot of people. 7 million or so.

Zeal Ex Nihilo
Link.

At his peak, Glenn Beck had around 2.9 million viewers. O'Reilly's peak was around 3.1 million, I believe. There just isn't enough of a difference there to make me think that O'Reilly is more detrimental than Glenn Beck.

King Kandy
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Link.

At his peak, Glenn Beck had around 2.9 million viewers. O'Reilly's peak was around 3.1 million, I believe. There just isn't enough of a difference there to make me think that O'Reilly is more detrimental than Glenn Beck.
Evidently you didn't realize, O'Reilly factor is shown twice a day while Glenn Beck is only shown once. Adding up both showings, O'Reilly has more viewers.

Bicnarok

amnesia
Because I'm Jewish. And i dislike Arab culture.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Israel is a piece of shit. Not that Palestinians aren't culpable in the Israel-Palestine conflict, but I'm sick of my tax dollars going to a bunch of thug Jews who commit atrocities on a daily basis and then try and hide behind the ****ing Holocaust.

It's the chosen land.

YoBro
Israel needs USA.

As a religious Catholic, I want Israel to exist more so than I want Palestine to exist. So USA should keep supporting Israel.

Bardock42
Originally posted by YoBro
Israel needs USA.

As a religious Catholic, I want Israel to exist more so than I want Palestine to exist. So USA should keep supporting Israel.
Sound logic if I ever heard any.

Mindship
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Israel is a piece of shit. Not that Palestinians aren't culpable in the Israel-Palestine conflict, but I'm sick of my tax dollars going to a bunch of thug Jews who commit atrocities on a daily basis and then try and hide behind the ****ing Holocaust. Are you Jewish?

YoBro
Originally posted by Mindship
Are you Jewish?

Most likely not. But he's either a muslim or not very smart if he is against USA's support of Israel...

The Dark Cloud
If you were surrounded by a bunch of hostile neighbors that wanted to kill you and you had the means you would be agressive also. As for America's support of Israel...The corporate controlled US needs a foothold in the region with most of the worlds conventional oil.

Bicnarok
Originally posted by YoBro
Israel needs USA.

As a religious Catholic, I want Israel to exist more so than I want Palestine to exist. So USA should keep supporting Israel.

The roman catholic cult would be high on my "things to loose to save humanity" list. If you thought jews rocking in front of that wall with their silly hair cuts was daft, then take a look at the way the pagans have managed to twist their ancient beliefs and call it a Christian religion.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Bicnarok
The roman catholic cult would be high on my "things to loose to save humanity" list. If you thought jews rocking in front of that wall with their silly hair cuts was daft, then take a look at the way the pagans have managed to twist their ancient beliefs and call it a Christian religion.

Lol, "loose" ... that's funny, considering altar boys.

inimalist
nice alley-oop there guys

Zeal Ex Nihilo
I disagree with the assessment that O'Reilly pushes moderate Republicans to be more conservative. I've been thinking about it, and Glenn Beck is the sort of person who riles up normal folks into a lynch mob. Normally, they'd be sensible, intelligent folks, but under his leadership, they become raving morons.

lil bitchiness
Originally posted by YoBro
Most likely not. But he's either a muslim or not very smart if he is against USA's support of Israel...

Well Orthodox Jews hate Israel and think it's a sin against God, so he could be an Orthodox Jew. Orthodox Jews (or certain, may I add) believe Jews should live in Israel under the government of local people, ie Palestinians.

I have heard orthodox rabbis blaming Zionists for the holacaust too, stating that Hitler was all like: Jews! GTFO of Germany to Uganda or I kill you all'' and Zionist from England were all like: ''NO, Israel or nuffin', stay put and get killed''.

Also, they hate Israel cos its some kind of atheistic institution or something. I haven't been paying a lot of attention, so I could be missing vital bits to the story, but that's the gist.

Zeal Ex Nihilo
I'm an orthodox Jew alright.

amnesia
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Jews should live in Israel under the government of local people, ie Palestinians.



Mass executions. Palestine is just as bad as Saudi Arabia.

Robtard
Not so sure if Orthodox Jews hate Israel as a whole, seems to be more of the Leftist Jews from New York, you know, the Whinebergs and such with their sweater-vest and non-fat decaffeinated lattes.

I Googled.

inimalist
Originally posted by amnesia
Mass executions. Palestine is just as bad as Saudi Arabia.

not historically, and the democratically elected Hamas gvt has at least said they are willing to negotiate a 2 state solution. groups like Islamic jihad, sure, but they would never be the government of Palestine.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not so sure if Orthodox Jews hate Israel as a whole, seems to be more of the Leftist Jews from New York, you know, the Whinebergs and such with their sweater-vest and non-fat decaffeinated lattes.

I Googled.

the extreme right, especially the settler movement, thinks the state is too secular.

amnesia
Originally posted by inimalist
not historically, and the democratically elected Hamas gvt has at least said they are willing to negotiate a 2 state solution. groups like Islamic jihad, sure, but they would never be the government of Palestine.



the extreme right, especially the settler movement, thinks the state is too secular.


Methinks Palestine would do the whole Sharia thing.


Being secular is a good thing. Orthodox Jews are annoying.

roughrider
Originally posted by amnesia
Because I'm Jewish. And i dislike Arab culture.

Jewish, and in Norway. Do you feel lonely?

I look forward to the day when electric cars are everywhere, and the west no longer needs a 'foothold' in the Arab region. Countries like Saudi Arabia go broke because oil is virtually gone/not needed, and Israel is finally forced into a two-state solution to survive without their big brother looking out for them.

amnesia
Originally posted by roughrider
Jewish, and in Norway. Do you feel lonely?

I look forward to the day when electric cars are everywhere, and the west no longer needs a 'foothold' in the Arab region. Countries like Saudi Arabia go broke because oil is virtually gone/not needed, and Israel is finally forced into a two-state solution to survive without their big brother looking out for them.


No, i feel sort of unique.

Robtard
Originally posted by inimalist
he extreme right, especially the settler movement, thinks the state is too secular.

I saw many of those types of Jews while in Israel, as both a non-Jew and non-Israeli, they avoided me like a pork-sandwich.

These are the same ones the believe Israel should be for Jews only, yet refuse the mandatory military service on religious grounds.

roughrider
Originally posted by Robtard
Not so sure if Orthodox Jews hate Israel as a whole, seems to be more of the Leftist Jews from New York, you know, the Whinebergs and such with their sweater-vest and non-fat decaffeinated lattes.

I Googled.

And Noam Chomsky.

Robtard
Originally posted by roughrider
And Noam Chomsky

is a wind-bag.

roughrider
Is that all you can come up with?

His worst critics call him an a self-hating jew anarchist who can fit all his supporters in a phone booth. big grin

753
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Israel is a piece of shit. Not that Palestinians aren't culpable in the Israel-Palestine conflict, but I'm sick of my tax dollars going to a bunch of thug Jews who commit atrocities on a daily basis and then try and hide behind the ****ing Holocaust. It shouldn't, ha! And this took me less than 10 seconds too.

Parmaniac
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
I'm sick of my tax euros going to a bunch of thug Jews who commit atrocities on a daily basis and then try and hide behind the ****ing Holocaust. this

753
Originally posted by roughrider
Is that all you can come up with?

His worst critics call him an a self-hating jew anarchist who can fit all his supporters in a phone booth. big grin He is actually quite popular.

*********************
The best policy the usa could implement in the region by now isn't to just walk out on israel, but to force it back to the 64 line and recognize palestinian sovereignity, no ifs about it.

amnesia
Originally posted by 753
He is actually quite popular.

*********************
The best policy the usa could implement in the region by now isn't to just walk out on israel, but to force it back to the 64 line and recognize palestinian sovereignity, no ifs about it.

Why the **** would want to do that?

lil bitchiness
Noam's view on American policies in South America are quite informative and I recommend people interested reading up on it.
I don't agree with everything Chomsky has to say. In fact, some things he says don't sit too well with me, however, overall, his analysis tends to be alright.

753
Originally posted by amnesia
Why the **** would want to do that? Because the occupation and injustice done to the palestinians is the biggest source of anti-american sentiment in the arab world and the usa would actually benefit from ending it.

roughrider
Originally posted by 753
He is actually quite popular.

*********************
The best policy the usa could implement in the region by now isn't to just walk out on israel, but to force it back to the 64 line and recognize palestinian sovereignity, no ifs about it.

In a reasonable world, this would happen. But Washington can't even get the Anti-Castro lobbyists to give it up, never mind the Zionist lobby.

lil bitchiness
Originally posted by roughrider
In a reasonable world, this would happen. But Washington can't even get the Anti-Castro lobbyists to give it up, never mind the Zionist lobby.

I believe America will stick it out till the end. Afterall, they're Americans not French*.

*Je vous aime, mes petits croissants!

roughrider
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I believe America will stick it out till the end. Afterall, they're Americans not French*.

*Je vous aime, mes petits croissants!

I love you, my small crescents?

If you are proud of your crescents, excellent.
I like crescents of all sizes. big grin

lil bitchiness
Originally posted by roughrider
I love you, my small crescents?

If you are proud of your crescents, excellent.
I like crescents of all sizes. big grin

You don't eat/like croissants?! miffed

Say it aint soooooooooooooo!

roughrider
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
You don't eat/like croissants?! miffed

Say it aint soooooooooooooo!

No, I like croissants. With Montreal smoked meat and cheese.

inimalist
Originally posted by amnesia
Methinks Palestine would do the whole Sharia thing.

the palestinean gvt is democratically elected. unless the entire population voted that way, you wouldn't see sharia. even then, the mandate imposed by Hamas has been much more about political control and security on the streets than strict sharia, but then, I don't think Hamas would win an election in Israel.

The Nuul
A Country like China, I would understand because of trades and other stuff that they do for the west. But the middle east? I'd say screw them and cut off support to them. They don't give back to the west so it's a one way street then some of them want, hate, or are blowing us up. WTF. Now, some parts in Africa need help and don't give back but they are not bad mouthing us or trying to harm us etc.... Sure then they need the help.

Mindship
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
I'm an orthodox Jew alright. I got extra curious when I saw "Filled with N'Shamah".

chomperx9
as always we work to support other countries. I guess thats why america is called free country. Take what you want

753
Originally posted by chomperx9
as always we work to support other countries. I guess thats why america is called free country. Take what you want yeah you're the ones getting screwed big time in the relations you maintain with other countries

chomperx9
Originally posted by 753
yeah you're the ones getting screwed big time in the relations you maintain with other countries your right our relationship sucks with other countries especially after all we do for them

753
Originally posted by chomperx9
your right our relationship sucks with other countries especially after all we do for them lol

Parmaniac
The prob with Chomper is I never know if he's joking or serious.

BackFire
I think the 10 seconds are up.

Zeal Ex Nihilo
Originally posted by Mindship
I got extra curious when I saw "Filled with N'Shamah".
I should probably change that. Change my name, too. That chapter of my life is over.

alex30
i dont think the israel is self dependent for it

jimeshten
According to me !!! Obama hasn't really destroyed America. Glenn Beck is more poisonous than any of Obama's "socialist" policies. The fact that Beck managed to inspire a nation to fight for health insurance companies is an impressive feat.It is necessary for the country and also talking about the support for the Israel. Israel isn't bad. Some people in the IAF and the people in the Israeli Government have their own agendas that coincide with the beginnings of the Nazi party or other party.

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