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Both fully powered & well rested. Who takes it?

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Cap. Speed edge, and enough strength to hurt him.

Although if they were the same speed level, Nefaria could probably win. He had VERY high damage soak, shrugging off blows from Wonder Man and Thor.

I don't think speed would be any major advantage. Marvel doesn't use it often in combat. At least not on the level it would give him any advantage over Nefaria.

Original Nefaria - He might have the raw physical edge but he was a bit of a pansy and wasn't very experienced. The lack of flight was also a disadvantage. Captain Marvel would edge him out.

Busiek's Count Nefaria - Captain Marvel edges him out once more. Count Nefaria might be experienced and ruthless at this point, but I'd say physically he was weaker than his original incarnation.

Bendis' Count Nefaria - Marvel. Hard.

Originally posted by cdtm
shrugging off blows from Thor.

Never happened.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't think speed would be any major advantage. Marvel doesn't use it often in combat. At least not on the level it would give him any advantage over Nefaria.

Original Nefaria - He might have the raw physical edge but he was a bit of a pansy and wasn't very experienced. The lack of flight was also a disadvantage. Captain Marvel would edge him out.

Busiek's Count Nefaria - Captain Marvel edges him out once more. Count Nefaria might be experienced and ruthless at this point, but I'd say physically he was weaker than his original incarnation.

Bendis' Count Nefaria - Marvel. Hard.



Never happened.

When Thor hit him with the hammer, and then with his right fist, Nefaria was basically thinking "That... hurt! But not as much as I'd have thought! Thor should fear me!"

Not word for word, but that's the jist of it. The fact he wasn't stunned and still able to fight on is what I meant by "shrug off".. He took Thor's opening shots, and gave as good as he got.

Originally posted by cdtm
When Thor hit him with the hammer, and then with his right fist, Nefaria was basically thinking "That... hurt! But not as much as I'd have thought! Thor should fear me!"

Not word for word, but that's the jist of it. The fact he wasn't stunned and still able to fight on is what I meant by "shrug off".. He took Thor's opening shots, and gave as good as he got.

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsCountNefaria2.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsCountNefaria3.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsCountNefaria4.jpg

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsCountNefaria13.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsCountNefaria14.jpg

That's not shrugging off Thor's hits. Not using my definition.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsCountNefaria2.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsCountNefaria3.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/

In the next scan, Nefaria goes on the offensive.

Shrugged off doesn't mean he didn't feel the attack, or get hurt by it. It simply means he took his best, and was still in fighting form.

Although, to be fair, that likely wasn't Thor's best.. Not even close. But it's still about as much power as Thor usually uses to defeat class 100 opponents.

Originally posted by cdtm
In the next scan, Nefaria goes on the offensive.

Shrugged off doesn't mean he didn't feel the attack, or get hurt by it. It simply means he took his best, and was still in fighting form.

Although, to be fair, that likely wasn't Thor's best.. Not even close. But it's still about as much power as Thor usually uses to defeat class 100 opponents.

He releases his eye beams -which Thor blocks- and then tosses a Skyscraper on top of him - which Thor promptly digs himself out of. He then stops a hammer strike and knocks Thor on his butt while he was caught unaware and off balance.

In my book it is. In that arc Count Nefaria was shrugging off Simon's attacks. But every time Thor landed a blow, he was rocked.