Cross Genre Match #13: Wonder Woman vs Bleach

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Omega Vision
Szayel, Ulquiorra, Stark, Barragan, Mayuri, Tosen, Yama, Tessai, Hachi, Byakuya, Ichigo, Aizen & Shunsui from Bleach

Vs

Wonder Woman

Wonder Woman has her standard gear (Tiara, Bracers, and Lasso).

PIS Off.

iceman24567
Wonder Woman via speed blitz

marwash22
she's gonna speed blitz 10+ people who have sonido and shunpo...

no.

iceman24567
Yes not only will she speed blitz them but she will take their zanpaktous and anal probe them just because no expression

jalek moye
PIS is always off, was that suppsoed to be CIS?

Etna
Originally posted by iceman24567
Yes not only will she speed blitz them but she will take their zanpaktous and anal probe them just because no expression

laughing out loud


I can't believe Kenpachi isn't named here...

marwash22
Originally posted by iceman24567
Yes not only will she speed blitz them but she will take their zanpaktous and anal probe them just because no expression it's obvious you're just gonna troll, consider yourself on ignore in this thread.

Etna
Originally posted by marwash22
it's obvious you're just gonna troll, consider yourself on ignore in this thread.

aggressive much?

Its just a harmless joke

Omega Vision
Originally posted by jalek moye
PIS is always off, was that suppsoed to be CIS?
Nah, it's a reminder for people who don't read the rules. wink

marwash22
Originally posted by Etna
aggressive much?

Its just a harmless joke nah, i know it's a joke... Just not interested in responding to posts that aren't serious.

iceman24567
Originally posted by marwash22
it's obvious you're just gonna troll, consider yourself on ignore in this thread. sad
Originally posted by Etna
aggressive much?

Its just a harmless joke thumb up

Etna
Originally posted by marwash22
nah, i know it's a joke... Just not interested in responding to posts that aren't serious.

So you just admitted that this thread is very serious?

I give you very much luck on this debate

iceman24567
Originally posted by Etna
So you just admitted that this thread is very serious?

I give you very much luck on this debate See thats were he went wrong laughing

marwash22
Originally posted by Etna
So you just admitted that this thread is very serious? the nomination wasn't serious at all, but the fact that everyone else seems to think Wonder Woman not only wins, but wins easily, coupled with the fact that the mods and OV didn't shut this down, makes this is a legitimate thread in my eyes.

illadelph12
Wait, wasn't this technically Wonder Woman Vs. The Bleach Universe?

*edit

And I was serious with my nod and vote of this match. I'm not familiar with Bleach so this will be a learning experience.

kgkg
Wonder Woman gets stomped.

Omega Vision
Does anyone in Bleach have a legitimate light speed feat under their belt?

Serious question.

marwash22
Originally posted by illadelph12
Wait, wasn't this technically Wonder Woman Vs. The Bleach Universe? nope. originally, Nemebro said that WW could solo the entire bleach universe, but this is the nom i made... i never thought i would get voted for. Originally posted by kgkg
Wonder Woman gets stomped. thumb upOriginally posted by Omega Vision
Does anyone in Bleach have a legitimate light speed feat under their belt?

Serious question. shunpo and sonido are basically teleportation. You move an inch and you can clear great distances.

iceman24567
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Does anyone in Bleach have a legitimate light speed feat under their belt?

Serious question.
Nope

Omega Vision
Originally posted by marwash22
shunpo and sonido are basically teleportation. You move an inch and you can clear great distances.
So no?

iceman24567
Originally posted by Omega Vision
So no? thumb up

marwash22
Originally posted by Omega Vision
So no? so, yes! Sonido and Shunpo ARE speed in Bleach. Are you unfamilar with the series?

iceman24567
Originally posted by marwash22
so, yes! Sonido and Shunpo ARE speed in Bleach. Are you unfamilar with the series? They aren't lightspeed though no expression

Omega Vision
Originally posted by marwash22
so, yes! Sonido and Shunpo ARE speed in Bleach. Are you unfamilar with the series?
I don't read the Manga and I stopped watching the Anime three quarters through the Ryukya rescue arc. But the way you describe them isn't enough to call it light speed. Moving at even a tenth of light speed you could move from Chicago to Moscow in less than a second.

illadelph12
May want to start posting some feats for the Bleach contingent.

marwash22
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I don't read the Manga and I stopped watching the Anime three quarters through the Ryukya rescue arc. But the way you describe them isn't enough to call it light speed. Moving at even a tenth of light speed you could move from Chicago to Moscow in less than a second. WzPAJCOHwnk&feature=related

I guess this is from the point where you stopped watching.

@ 4:45: after images.
@ 5:48: slices through hundreds of thousands of tiny blades.

carver9
Originally posted by Omega Vision
So no?

Does Wonder Woman have a light speed feat besides slapping shards out of the air or the suppose her going into the speed force?


Wonder Woman doesnt have one showing of her combating at light speed so your arguments are MOOT at best.

As for the fight Ichigo 7/10.

carver9
Originally posted by iceman24567
They aren't lightspeed though no expression

Wonder Woman isnt either. If she was she would have kept up with flash when he was blitzing her at none light speed level.

Or how about her keeping up with Zoom that was fighting her at light speed, wait, my bad, she couldnt keep up with him and no, I'm not talking about the time she was blind, I'm talking about the time when Zoom took on the JLA going light speed and he was STOMPING them.

illadelph12
You guys need to go on a shock and awe attack with battle and damage output feats for these Bleach characters.

-Pr-
Originally posted by carver9
Wonder Woman isnt either. If she was she would have kept up with flash when he was blitzing her at none light speed level.

Or how about her keeping up with Zoom that was fighting her at light speed, wait, my bad, she couldnt keep up with him and no, I'm not talking about the time she was blind, I'm talking about the time when Zoom took on the JLA going light speed and he was STOMPING them.

That would make Hal's reactions > light speed.

What are the Bleach characters best damage feats?

carver9
Originally posted by marwash22
WzPAJCOHwnk&feature=related

I guess this is from the point where you stopped watching.

@ 4:45: after images.
@ 5:48: slices through hundreds of thousands of tiny blades.

Ichigo combat speed>>>>>>>Wonder Woman.

Lets be serious here, you have to be in some F***** denial to not believe this. Wonder Woman can not and have not shown the ability to do what was just shown in the scene above.

I'm boosting this up a little further since that version of Ichigo was weaker than his current self.

Ichigo 8 or 9/10

carver9
Originally posted by -Pr-
That would make Hal's reactions > light speed.

What are the Bleach characters best damage feats?

I dont get your Hal comment. I'm referring to Zoom taking on the entire JLA and stomping them (minus flash) easily. OOOOHHHH... I get what you are saying (I think)... are you referring to the time Hal rapped Zoom in chains? Well if so, it was pretty obvious during that point Zoom wasnt going light speed since he was seeable to the eyes.

Are you referring to output damage or damage soak?

-Pr-
Originally posted by carver9
I dont get your Hal comment. I'm referring to Zoom taking on the entire JLA and stomping them (minus flash) easily. OOOOHHHH... I get what you are saying (I think)... are you referring to the time Hal rapped Zoom in chains? Well if so, it was pretty obvious during that point Zoom wasnt going light speed since he was seeable to the eyes.

Are you referring to output damage or damage soak?

So what fight are you talking about? From what issue?

Damage output.

and that video is NOT that impressive. The after images thing is nothing Wonder Woman hasn't done. Plus, it's misrepresented too. I'm sure you guys have other examples though.

carver9
Originally posted by illadelph12
You guys need to go on a shock and awe attack with battle and damage output feats for these Bleach characters.

Ok, the damage output doesnt have to be that great for a bleach character to hurt Wonder Woman since she was shot in the back by bullets and screamed out in pain and then we have Deathstroke hurting her, the Royal flush gang hurting her and Cheetah, who doesnt have the strength showings Ichigo have hurting her.

But how about this, we have characters in bleach leveling a city, we have Ichigo himself not even trying but he laid waste to a mountain, then we have him punching someone so hard through a mountain that it exploded.

-Pr-
Originally posted by carver9
Ok, the damage output doesnt have to be that great for a bleach character to hurt Wonder Woman since she was shot in the back by bullets and screamed out in pain and then we have Deathstroke hurting her, the Royal flush gang hurting her and Cheetah, who doesnt have the strength showings Ichigo have hurting her.

But how about this, we have characters in bleach leveling a city, we have Ichigo himself not even trying but he laid waste to a mountain, then we have him punching someone so hard through a mountain that it exploded.

Stop. Using. Low. Showings.

carver9
Originally posted by -Pr-
So what fight are you talking about? From what issue?

Damage output.

and that video is NOT that impressive. The after images thing is nothing Wonder Woman hasn't done. Plus, it's misrepresented too. I'm sure you guys have other examples though.


confused OMG

Wonder Woman has NEVER moved like that in battle. She has never consistently moved at Super Speed during combat.

How fast is Wonder Woman combat wise?

-Pr-
Originally posted by carver9
confused OMG

Wonder Woman has NEVER moved like that in battle. She has never consistently moved at Super Speed during combat.

How fast is Wonder Woman combat wise?

Umm, yes she has. The fact that you like to use low feats and ouotright lies doesn't exactly help your case either.

illadelph12
Show and prove homie.

carver9
Originally posted by -Pr-
Stop. Using. Low. Showings.

What is her mid showings?

carver9
Originally posted by -Pr-
Umm, yes she has. The fact that you like to use low feats and ouotright lies doesn't exactly help your case either.

Show me...

She do not have showings like that... Wonder Woman has speed but again, she doesnt have showings anywhere close to that.

-Pr-
Originally posted by carver9
Show me...

She do not have showings like that... Wonder Woman has speed but again, she doesnt have showings anywhere close to that.

The after-images thing can be done by almost any speedster, so it doesn't really carry over.

Second, you're REALLY going to compare the movement of his arms to the one person in comics who's whole shtick is moving her arms really fast to block projectiles/beams? Seriously?

carver9
Originally posted by -Pr-
The after-images thing can be done by almost any speedster, so it doesn't really carry over.

Second, you're REALLY going to compare the movement of his arms to the one person in comics who's whole shtick is moving her arms really fast to block projectiles/beams? Seriously?

No it cannot... not in that fashion. Who has created after images "in that fashion".

No, I'm not comparing anything, what I'm saying is that Wonder Woman cannot keep up with him, she doesnt have speed feats comparable to that one showing that was put up, etc...

King Kandy
I've read all of bleach... the best feats in that manga are people moving too fast to be seen. Wonder Woman, on the other hand, moves at lightspeed.

BTW, the fastest character in the manga, could only create a limit of four afterimages. I can't be certain but I definitely remember Flash or Zoom appearing more than that in the past.

carver9
Originally posted by King Kandy
I've read all of bleach... the best feats in that manga are people moving too fast to be seen. Wonder Woman, on the other hand, moves at lightspeed.

BTW, the fastest character in the manga, could only create a limit of four afterimages. I can't be certain but I definitely remember Flash or Zoom appearing more than that in the past.

Show me Wonder Woman combating at the speed of light?

Show me Wonder Woman fighting so fast that she can not be seen?

Galvaclaw
You wanted shock and awe. Hear it is:

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/26/1228690_560x867.jpg

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/26/1228691_560x867.jpg

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/16/1228635_787x1238.jpg

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228636_bulblockwo2se2/

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228652_speedan6/

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/20/1228658_983x1520.jpg

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228663_WonderWoman109-18/

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228665_WonderWoman109-19/

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228662_WonderWoman109-17/

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228667_WonderWoman109-20/

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/18/1228645_527x800.jpg

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228694_ww2147vszoom5qa/

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/34/1228736_434x640.jpg

Blair Wind
EDIT: Sort of what the guy above me did thumb up

How about this? Both sides stop talking, do a little digging, get a compilation of feats applicable to the match (Speed, Strength, Abilities, Gear), dump them here and THEN argue.

Especially the Bleach side, seeing as most people have no idea of their capabilities. It would save time, instead of everyone arguing "yes huh!" and "nuh uh!" over speed.

King Kandy
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
You wanted shock and awe. Hear it is:

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/26/1228690_560x867.jpg

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/26/1228691_560x867.jpg

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/16/1228635_787x1238.jpg

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228636_bulblockwo2se2/

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228652_speedan6/

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/20/1228658_983x1520.jpg

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228663_WonderWoman109-18/

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228665_WonderWoman109-19/

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228662_WonderWoman109-17/

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228667_WonderWoman109-20/

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/18/1228645_527x800.jpg

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228694_ww2147vszoom5qa/

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/34/1228736_434x640.jpg
lol. Asked and answered, Carver.

Galvaclaw
That was speed this was strength:

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/12/00/1228236_568x898.jpg

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228228_jla75p414hj/

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228244_jlatitans3wwasteroid1oi/

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228289_WonderWoman110-11/

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228291_wonderwoman144180si/

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/12/11/1228292_663x1030.jpg

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228243_jlaspectresoulwarwwliftspectre/

Philosophía
Bleach sounds too much like bleh.

Thus, Wonder Woman wins.

King Kandy
In a discussion recently in the bleach thread, the general consensus was that this was the best speed feat the manga had to offer.

http://www.bleachanime.org/manga/Bleach-Chapter-313/13.png.php
http://www.bleachanime.org/manga/Bleach-Chapter-313/14.png.php
http://www.bleachanime.org/manga/Bleach-Chapter-313/15.png.php
http://www.bleachanime.org/manga/Bleach-Chapter-313/16.png.php

Doesn't quite stack up.

carver9
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
You wanted shock and awe. Hear it is:

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/26/1228690_560x867.jpg

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/26/1228691_560x867.jpg

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/16/1228635_787x1238.jpg

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228636_bulblockwo2se2/

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228652_speedan6/

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/20/1228658_983x1520.jpg

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228663_WonderWoman109-18/

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228665_WonderWoman109-19/

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228662_WonderWoman109-17/

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228667_WonderWoman109-20/

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/18/1228645_527x800.jpg

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228694_ww2147vszoom5qa/

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/34/1228736_434x640.jpg

LOLOLOL laughing

Thanks for showing me that continuous combat speed feats or showing me that she can combat at the fashion that was shown in those scans. I never said that Wonder Woman cant stop bullets or do a temporary blitz... I would be lying... show me her COMBATING at tremendous speed. This isnt hard...

The last scans, Wonder Woman was getting THRASHED by the speedsters she was facing, she timed her attack. EVERYONE has this under their belts, even Nightwing but he sure as hell isnt light speed or even close to it.

carver9
Tagging Flash, THOUSANDS have done this, stop using Flash as weight. How fast was Wonder Woman going in those scans?

How about this, if I show Wolverine keeping up with a speedster that has proven that he can run from Moscow to New York in seconds, would that prove to you that Wolverine reaction speed is above mach 10?

illadelph12
Post Bleach feats.

Galvaclaw
This is durability:

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/12/25/1228346_1000x1549.jpg

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/12/27/1228353_968x1446.jpg

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228363_gl7375cy/

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/12/51/1228456_993x1520.jpg

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228460_WonderWoman108-08/

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/12/59/1228510_658x967.jpg

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228417_scan0015/

http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr138/fangirl102/glcof14wwdurability5iy.jpg

Note: Oblivion had enough power to kill the universe

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228427_scan0030/

I'm sure you can find scans of Ichigo being knocked across the planet,

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228560_ww2143vszoom0tp/

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228563_ww2145vszoom3ms/

So what feats does any Bleach character have of been so near the sun?

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228391_job39vm/


http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/12/36/1228388_768x1063.jpg

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/12/36/1228389_819x1132.jpg

Who says rifles will kill Wonder woman?

http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228611_wwdeflection1/

One more speed feat:

Flash is being forced to move at his maximum speed.

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/16/1228634_1024x758.jpg

Galvaclaw
I trust everyone who isn't Carver9 is impressed.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by carver9
Tagging Flash, THOUSANDS have done this, stop using Flash as weight. How fast was Wonder Woman going in those scans?

How about this, if I show Wolverine keeping up with a speedster that has proven that he can run from Moscow to New York in seconds, would that prove to you that Wolverine reaction speed is above mach 10?
How about this: actually post some feats rather than trying to nitpick those posted by the opposition?

-Pr-
Originally posted by carver9
No it cannot... not in that fashion. Who has created after images "in that fashion".

No, I'm not comparing anything, what I'm saying is that Wonder Woman cannot keep up with him, she doesnt have speed feats comparable to that one showing that was put up, etc...

Dude, yes, they can. You're basically being selective about feats now.

Starscream M
Originally posted by Omega Vision
How about this: actually post some feats rather than trying to nitpick those posted by the opposition? carver shouldn't have to prove something if he thinks its obvious

-Pr-
Originally posted by Starscream M
carver shouldn't have to prove something if he thinks its obvious

...why?

carver9
This fight shows strength and durability... Look at how they are busting boulders open etc... Strength or durability (event though I think ichigo is more durable) isnt the deciding factor in this fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2gSaOYkEgY

I'm trying to find that full fight that Ichigo and Grimmjow had where it was only 11 seconds but the fight look like it was for hours.

Starscream M
Originally posted by -Pr-
...why? because then it makes others lazy

next thing you know ppl will demand to see scans of superman being bulletproof eek!

edit: also, didnt someone already post youtube clips showing insane speed feats?

-Pr-
Originally posted by Starscream M
because then it makes others lazy

next thing you know ppl will demand to see scans of superman being bulletproof eek!

edit: also, didnt someone already post youtube clips showing insane speed feats?

something you believe to be completely true is not the same as something being common knowledge.

someone did post speed feats. they need to post better ones.

Starscream M
Originally posted by -Pr-
something you believe to be completely true is not the same as something being common knowledge.

someone did post speed feats. they need to post better ones. but it might be common sense for ppl who watch anime that bleach is superspeedsters...

-Pr-
Originally posted by Starscream M
but it might be common sense for ppl who watch anime that bleach is superspeedsters...

but this is a comics forum, not an anime one.

King Kandy
Originally posted by carver9
This fight shows strength and durability... Look at how they are busting boulders open etc... Strength or durability (event though I think ichigo is more durable) isnt the deciding factor in this fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2gSaOYkEgY

I'm trying to find that full fight that Ichigo and Grimmjow had where it was only 11 seconds but the fight look like it was for hours.
That's your best effort? They broke boulders? BTW stop using the anime for evidence... a lot of it is filler nonsense that isn't consistent with the original.

carver9
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
I trust everyone who isn't Carver9 is impressed.

Everything you showed of Flash vs Wonder Woman... NightWings is much more impressive, its actually>>>>Wonder Woman feats vs flash.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Ixion83/TheTitans20i.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Ixion83/TheTitans20ii.jpg

Now let me find some deathstroke tagging Flash and other speedsters.

Let me go get some Wolverine and Spidey scans as well.

King Kandy
Originally posted by Starscream M
but it might be common sense for ppl who watch anime that bleach is superspeedsters...
They are fast compared to humans... it is not common sense at all that they are even close to lightspeed. I don't remember them ever breaking the sound barrier, even.

carver9
Originally posted by -Pr-
but this is a comics forum, not an anime one.

But we are using Anime here which has been stated a while back since it is associated with the Manga and using the "cant tell that this person is fighting at super speed because it is in a comic" argument is MOOT since we can all tell that Quicksilver, Flash, along with Jay are fighting at tremendous speed, even in a comic.

The thing about this is, even when Wonder Woman is written on the big screen, directly from the comic, she still does not have super speed.

DC doesnt predict her as a normal speedster like you all wish that she is.

carver9
Originally posted by King Kandy
They are fast compared to humans... it is not common sense at all that they are even close to lightspeed. I don't remember them ever breaking the sound barrier, even.

Again, PROVE that Wonder Woman can combat at light speed instead of posting her tagging Flash.

The thing you fail to realize is that Wonder Woman has NEVER shown the ability of combating like Ichigo.

All of this is pretty much common sense. Using the type of arguments that you all are trying to throw off on Wonder Woman, everyone in Marvel and DC would be light speedsters.

illadelph12
SHOW BLEACH FEATS.

Galvaclaw
Using your method of arguing no battle in comics would be admissible in arguments.

carver9
Originally posted by Starscream M
but it might be common sense for ppl who watch anime that bleach is superspeedsters...

This is what everyone fail to realize... this statement right here. Wonder Woman gets THRASHED when she is facing speedsters but when she land that lucky lick (that she times) people consider her light speed. Thats RIDICULOUS. Thor tagging speedsters doesnt mean that he can keep up with Flash or is faster than Supes. Thanos tagging speedster doesnt mean that he has light speed reflexes. Wolverine tagging quicksilver doesnt mean that he is mach 10... Wolverine stabbing Mimic a couple of times doesnt mean that he has 93000 mps reaction speed.

These arguments that you all use are hilarious and I think you all should think a little more on your scans before presenting them.

carver9
Originally posted by illadelph12
SHOW BLEACH FEATS.

I'm looking now.

carver9
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Using your method of arguing no battle in comics would be admissible in arguments.


Using your type of arguments, Jubilee is a light speedster since she has tagged Northstar.

Galvaclaw
So what combat feat do count Carver? Your method is that because low showings exist that no combat feats count. How convenient for you you. Jubilee tagging Northstar is beyond her usual showings so it's SMvs FL, Wonder woman has repeatedly shown that she has superspeed and that she can tag people with super speed.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by Starscream M
carver shouldn't have to prove something if he thinks its obvious
Who cares what he "thinks"?

-Pr-
Originally posted by carver9
Everything you showed of Flash vs Wonder Woman... NightWings is much more impressive, its actually>>>>Wonder Woman feats vs flash.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Ixion83/TheTitans20i.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Ixion83/TheTitans20ii.jpg

Now let me find some deathstroke tagging Flash and other speedsters.

Let me go get some Wolverine and Spidey scans as well.

you're actually trolling now.

Originally posted by carver9
But we are using Anime here which has been stated a while back since it is associated with the Manga and using the "cant tell that this person is fighting at super speed because it is in a comic" argument is MOOT since we can all tell that Quicksilver, Flash, along with Jay are fighting at tremendous speed, even in a comic.

The thing about this is, even when Wonder Woman is written on the big screen, directly from the comic, she still does not have super speed.

DC doesnt predict her as a normal speedster like you all wish that she is.

what does that have to do with anything that i said?

also, what does the big screen have to do with anything? it has no bearing on this forum whatsoever.

Harbinger
Originally posted by Starscream M
carver shouldn't have to prove something if he thinks its obvious If he's arguing as a means to convince others of his point of view, then he most certainly does.

carver9
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
So what combat feat do count Carver? Your method is that because low showings exist that no combat feats count. How convenient for you you. Jubilee tagging Northstar is beyond her usual showings so it's SMvs FL, Wonder woman has repeatedly shown that she has superspeed and that she can tag people with super speed.

Show her continously fighting in the fashion that Bleach, DBZ characters, etc... fighting in or Flash or Quicksilver. I know she have amazing reflexes... I never said she was slow but she doesnt go around fighting like Flash, Ichigo, or Goku. She time her attacks.

King Kandy
BTW, I would love to hear what basis you have for saying Ichigo is more durable... he has never taken anything more than getting knocked through buildings, ever.

Galvaclaw
Originally posted by carver9
Show her continously fighting in the fashion that Bleach, DBZ characters, etc... fighting in or Flash or Quicksilver. I know she have amazing reflexes... I never said she was slow but she doesnt go around fighting like Flash, Ichigo, or Goku. She time her attacks.

Having trouble finding those bleach scans then?

marwash22
a few things WW has to deal with in this fight...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcM1jdEe7co&feature=related
@ 0:00 - 0:30: black goo that creates clones of you when it touches you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC0PNzaOHjI
@ 3:30 - 4:10: clones multiply when they are defeated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai_G2dGhanc&feature=related
@ 2:30 - 6:10: makes a working voodoo doll.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uCrIQd4xqQ&feature=related
@ 0:00 - 0:40: deadly gas made from Mayuri's blood.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVk5lQFfAJc
@ 8:45 - 9:40: cuts you and you're paralyzed with pain receptors still active.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf2Bg1AwON8&feature=related
@ 3:40 - 4:40: Ulquiorra creates a lance that explodes with the force of a nuke.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKLbA3_SLb0
@ 1:05 - 1:50: Baraggan creates mist that rapidly ages anything it touches, it cannot be stopped and the only option is to ditch whatever it's touching.

@ 7:55 - 8:15: shows speed for Stark and Shunsui. Also shows cero blasting power for Stark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2-jD5aJK_8
@ 6:00 - 620: more blasting power and rate of fire for Stark and speed for Shunsui.

@ 8:40 - 9:30: more rate of fire and firing speed for Stark. More Speed for Shunsui.

I'll post more in a bit.

Galvaclaw
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Having trouble finding those bleach scans then?

Actually show me DBZ or bleach characters fighting at super speed continuously. I trust that the scans will show that they're at least fighting at hypersonic speed.

carver9
Originally posted by -Pr-
you're actually trolling now.



what does that have to do with anything that i said?

also, what does the big screen have to do with anything? it has no bearing on this forum whatsoever.

How am I trolling when everyone in comics has those same type of feats? Do you honestly believe that if Flash was in Marvel comics, that he wouldnt get tagged by people like Thor or Hulk? Common now.

What I was saying is that when DC and people from the big screen get together and make a movie out of something that was drawn directly from the comic, Wonder Woman still doesnt have super speed. What I mean by that is that you all are using the "anime shows speed better because it is on TV" argument when all in all, when Wonder Woman get this same luxury, she is still seeable to the human eye and she do not move anywhere close to what you all state of her as moving.

Omega Vision
I'm noting a lack of any real solid evidence from the Bleach side. In fact WW supporters have posted more Bleach stuff than the Bleach side have.

marwash22
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Actually show me DBZ or bleach characters fighting at super speed continuously. I trust that the scans will show that they're at least fighting at hypersonic speed. what does DBZ have to do with this?

illadelph12
Don't let this get derailed or unrelated comments distract. Stay on mission.

MooCowofJustice
Carver, you're being foolish. Asking for combat speed feats is totally pointless. Even one punch at light speed proves the case for Wonder Woman and makes her too fast for Bleach characters to hit.

carver9
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Carver, you're being foolish. Asking for combat speed feats is totally pointless. Even one punch at light speed proves the case for Wonder Woman and makes her too fast for Bleach characters to hit.

MooCow (dont know why I am asking you this because you dont know of the character), show me Wonder Woman fighting at light speed. How about this, let me help you out... show me Wonder Woman fighting faster or at the speed of sound.

That shouldnt be hard for you.

Another speed feat by the way... you dont have to fast forward this, it starts at the beginning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ3yT_zCxuQ

marwash22
Shunsui:

http://s1-a.animea-server.net/42%2F374_VPIKF%2F3-RTGNG.jpg

can hide in/attack out of shadows.

http://manga.animea.net/bleach-chapter-374-page-6.html

explains the rules of one of his shikai abilities.

http://manga.animea.net/bleach-chapter-374-page-9.html
http://manga.animea.net/bleach-chapter-374-page-10.html
http://manga.animea.net/bleach-chapter-374-page-11.html
http://manga.animea.net/bleach-chapter-374-page-12.html

explains the rules of another shikai ability.

Tosen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU-En9qdmHc&feature=related
shows Tosen's shikai. It emits a high pitched frequency that knocks people unconscious.

http://manga.animea.net/bleach-chapter-146-page-9.html
http://manga.animea.net/bleach-chapter-146-page-10.html
http://manga.animea.net/bleach-chapter-146-page-11.html
http://manga.animea.net/bleach-chapter-146-page-12.html
http://manga.animea.net/bleach-chapter-146-page-13.html
http://manga.animea.net/bleach-chapter-146-page-14.html
http://manga.animea.net/bleach-chapter-146-page-15.html

shows Tosen's Bankai. You can't smell, hear or see.

http://manga.animea.net/bleach-chapter-386-page-11.html

tanks Sajin's giant sword swung at full power with one hand and then crushes part of the blade.

marwash22
i forgot about the peeps who may not be current on Bleach...

PREVIOUS LINKS AND FUTURE LINKS POSTED BY ME WILL CONTAIN POSSIBLE SPOILERS, CLICK AT YOUR OWN RISK.

illadelph12
Hmm...

Explain more about this power to make "children's games" real. Is it like reality warping?

-Pr-
Originally posted by carver9
How am I trolling when everyone in comics has those same type of feats? Do you honestly believe that if Flash was in Marvel comics, that he wouldnt get tagged by people like Thor or Hulk? Common now.

What I was saying is that when DC and people from the big screen get together and make a movie out of something that was drawn directly from the comic, Wonder Woman still doesnt have super speed. What I mean by that is that you all are using the "anime shows speed better because it is on TV" argument when all in all, when Wonder Woman get this same luxury, she is still seeable to the human eye and she do not move anywhere close to what you all state of her as moving.

...pr1983

Originally posted by carver9
MooCow (dont know why I am asking you this because you dont know of the character), show me Wonder Woman fighting at light speed. How about this, let me help you out... show me Wonder Woman fighting faster or at the speed of sound.

That shouldnt be hard for you.

Another speed feat by the way... you dont have to fast forward this, it starts at the beginning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ3yT_zCxuQ

Don't bash people.

carver9
Originally posted by -Pr-
...pr1983



Don't bash people.

You didnt understand my post?

Pr... MooCow main reason of responding to my post is to get to me... I'm not bashing him, I honestly dont think he know anything about DC or Marvel characters.

-Pr-
Originally posted by carver9
You didnt understand my post?

Pr... MooCow main reason of responding to my post is to get to me... I'm not bashing him, I honestly dont think he know anything about DC or Marvel characters.

i understood your post. you just didn't respond to the actual point i was making.

Just because you don't think he does doesn't mean you get to bash him.

carver9
Originally posted by -Pr-
i understood your post. you just didn't respond to the actual point i was making.

Just because you don't think he does doesn't mean you get to bash him.


If I bashed him then I apologize MooCow...

What was the point you was trying to make?

marwash22
Originally posted by illadelph12
Hmm...

Explain more about this power to make "children's games" real. Is it like reality warping? kinda.

he can "warp reality" in that his power changes the way things typically work.

He can use any shadow to hide in and then come out of it and attack.

The color game wouldn't work very well because the color that you call does damage according to how much damage it would do to you. WW's colors are mostly red, yellow and blue... Shunsui doesn't wear any of those colors so even if he calls red, there wouldn't be much damage done to WW. Though, she is wearing a black collar so that's an option (unless that collar is also a dark blue.)

There's one where "whoever is higher wins"... shunpo gives him a disctinct advantage in that one.

-Pr-
Originally posted by carver9
If I bashed him then I apologize MooCow...

What was the point you was trying to make?

First of all:

Most comic book movies aren't drawn straight from the comics; they're adaptations. You can't use them as any sort of argument, because this is COMIC Wonder Woman, not anything else Wonder Woman.

Second, this is a forum, not a comic, so PIS isn't applicable. Flash isn't going to get tagged by people much slower than him on the forum, because he doesn't need PIS or CIS to keep a comic lasting 22 pages.

Saying Wonder Woman doesn't have super speed is like me saying Hulk doesn't have super strength. It's trolling, because of the mountains of evidence opposing the viewpoint.

illadelph12
Originally posted by marwash22
kinda.

he can "warp reality" in that his power changes the way things typically work.

He can use any shadow to hide in and then come out of it and attack.

The color game wouldn't work very well because the color that you call does damage according to how much damage it would do to you. WW's colors are mostly red, yellow and blue... Shunsui doesn't wear any of those colors so even if he calls red, there wouldn't much damage. Though, she is wearing a black collar so that's an option (unless that collar is also a dark blue.)

There's one where "whoever is higher wins"... shunpo gives him a disctinct advatage in that one.

Any shadow?

How about bodily shadows? Any feats of him attacking out of the shadows a person's own body creates?

carver9
Originally posted by -Pr-
First of all:

Most comic book movies aren't drawn straight from the comics; they're adaptations. You can't use them as any sort of argument, because this is COMIC Wonder Woman, not anything else Wonder Woman.

Second, this is a forum, not a comic, so PIS isn't applicable. Flash isn't going to get tagged by people much slower than him on the forum, because he doesn't need PIS or CIS to keep a comic lasting 22 pages.

Saying Wonder Woman doesn't have super speed is like me saying Hulk doesn't have super strength. It's trolling, because of the mountains of evidence opposing the viewpoint.

I never said that Wonder Woman doesnt have super speed, I stated that she cannot and have never shown that she can fight in the fashion as the scenes that was presented because again, she doesnt have the feats. Can she tage flash, sure, she is an expert; she has the experience to time her attacks which is what she was doing. Hell, she admitted during a fight against Flash (that was suffering from a Virus) that she had to time her attack in order to stop him. When Wonder Woman fight flash, Zoom, or whatever other speedster that she fight, she get overwhelmed, blitzed, etc...

No Flash fight should be used as evidence of super speed unless she actualy show the ability of keep up with them during a blitz.

marwash22
Originally posted by illadelph12
Any shadow?

How about bodily shadows? Any feats of him attacking out of the shadows a person's own body creates? actually, there is. There's a moment when Stark steps on a building and Shunsui attacks from the shadow Stark's foot cast...

wait a bit, lemme find the page.

King Kandy
Originally posted by illadelph12
Any shadow?

How about bodily shadows? Any feats of him attacking out of the shadows a person's own body creates?
I believe he has done this (not going to look for a scan). However if they are flying, that wouldn't be particularly helpful.

-Pr-
Originally posted by carver9
I never said that Wonder Woman doesnt have super speed, I stated that she cannot and have never shown that she can fight in the fashion as the scenes that was presented because again, she doesnt have the feats. Can she tage flash, sure, she is an expert; she has the experience to time her attacks which is what she was doing. Hell, she admitted during a fight against Flash (that was suffering from a Virus) that she had to time her attack in order to stop him. When Wonder Woman fight flash, Zoom, or whatever other speedster that she fight, she get overwhelmed, blitzed, etc...

No Flash fight should be used as evidence of super speed unless she actualy show the ability of keep up with them during a blitz.

None of what you just said is actually true. erm

carver9
Originally posted by -Pr-
None of what you just said is actually true. erm

What makes Wonder Woman tagging Flash any different than Deathstroke tagging flash, Grundy tagging Flash, Nightwing tagging Flash, Darkseid tagging Flash, etc...

Everyone that I named has a dose of super speed. You cant choose a feat for one person and discredit it for others.

marwash22
As it pertains to WW's speed, what Carver (and I) want to see, is Wonder Woman using combat speed/lateral quickness... changing direction, her ability to maneuver and avoid attacks at a high level of speed. You're gonna need to prove she can change directions very quickly to have any hope of convincing me she doesn't die from the cascade of attacks being thrown at her.

Byakuya alone has thousands upon thousands of tiny blades that move a supersonic speeds. She'd have avoid being shredded while also avoiding poisonous gas, nukes and aging aura.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I believe he has done this (not going to look for a scan). However if they are flying, that wouldn't be particularly helpful. Probably, but with all the people/attacks she's gonna be avoiding, i doubt it would be strictly an air battle.

carver9
Originally posted by marwash22
As it pertains to WW's speed. What Carver (and I) wan't to see, is Wonder Woman using combat speed/lateral quickness... changing direction, her ability to maneuver and avoid attacks at a high level of speed. You're gonna need to prove she can change directions very quickly to have any hope of convincing me she doesn't die from the cascade of attacks being thrown at her.

OMG... this is the best way of saying it. Happy Dance

Couldnt have said it better. This is what I have been trying to say for ages.

Good post marwash.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by carver9
What makes Wonder Woman tagging Flash any different than Deathstroke tagging flash, Grundy tagging Flash, Nightwing tagging Flash, Darkseid tagging Flash, etc...

Everyone that I named has a dose of super speed. You cant choose a feat for one person and discredit it for others.
Because Wonder Woman has many other feats of superspeed to back it up, a lot of which were posted in this thread.

Also I'm still waiting for you to provide those 4+ instances of Hawkman stalemating Black Adam. Of course you could save some time and admit you were talking out of your ass.
Originally posted by marwash22
As it pertains to WW's speed. What Carver (and I) wan't to see, is Wonder Woman using combat speed/lateral quickness... changing direction, her ability to maneuver and avoid attacks at a high level of speed. You're gonna need to prove she can change directions very quickly to have any hope of convincing me she doesn't die from the cascade of attacks being thrown at her.

Byakuya alone has thousands upon thousand of tiny blades that move a supersonic speeds. She'd have avoid being shredded while also avoid poisonous gas and aging aura.

Probably, but with all the people/attacks she's gonna be avoiding, i doubt it would be strictly an air battle.
Shattered God feat. It was posted here.

King Kandy
Originally posted by marwash22
As it pertains to WW's speed. What Carver (and I) wan't to see, is Wonder Woman using combat speed/lateral quickness... changing direction, her ability to maneuver and avoid attacks at a high level of speed. You're gonna need to prove she can change directions very quickly to have any hope of convincing me she doesn't die from the cascade of attacks being thrown at her.

Byakuya alone has thousands upon thousand of tiny blades that move a supersonic speeds. She'd have avoid being shredded while also avoid poisonous gas and aging aura.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/26/1228690_560x867.jpg

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/26/1228691_560x867.jpg

Senbonzakura won't give her trouble, at all. Besides, you can outrun it.

marwash22
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Shattered God feat. It was posted here. could you quote/repost that if possible.

EDIT: nvm.

illadelph12
Originally posted by King Kandy
I believe he has done this (not going to look for a scan). However if they are flying, that wouldn't be particularly helpful.

It would be when you consider that when a person is flying, depending on the angle of the sun, the side of their body opposite the sun, which has the light to obstructed by their own mass, becomes shaded.

That could be an avenue of attack depending on how this power works.

carver9
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Because Wonder Woman has many other feats of superspeed to back it up, a lot of which were posted in this thread.

Also I'm still waiting for you to provide those 4+ instances of Hawkman stalemating Black Adam. Of course you could save some time and admit you were talking out of your ass.

Shattered God feat. It was posted here.

Show us something combat wise and can you show us something that isnt over 15 years old.

carver9
Originally posted by marwash22
could you quote/repost that if possible.

Its not a combat feat and the scan is over 15 years old.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by carver9
Show us something combat wise and can you show us something that isnt over 15 years old.
Those feats were posted, you ignored them as usual. Just as you're going to ignore my request for the "scans" of Hawkman "stalemating" Black Adam.

marwash22
Originally posted by King Kandy
Senbonzakura won't give her trouble, at all. Besides, you can outrun it. that proves almost nothing.

Okay, she can stand in one place and deflect multiple incoming objects at very high speed; BUT...

what good is that going to do her when there are multiple attacks... some of which cannot be batted away? When she's standing there deflecting Byakuya's blades, Mayuri poisons her, Baraggan ages her, Shunsui attacks her from behind, etc...

psycho gundam
Originally posted by King Kandy
Senbonzakura won't give her trouble, at all. Besides, you can outrun it. from what i've seen thus far, that pink shit will be going after her and she'll be avoiding/blocking it, but that doesn't cover the other simultaneous attacks from the other 20+ named characters in the series of considerable power/skill

wonder woman still has a turned back

spam attacks suck

Omega Vision
Originally posted by marwash22
that proves almost nothing.

Okay, she can stand in one place and deflect multiple incoming objects at very high speed; BUT...

what good is that going to do her when there are multiple attacks... some of which cannot be batted away?
You're assuming she doesn't blitz them with her superior speed before they can even attack.

illadelph12
You know, this whole combat speed vs. travel speed thing is ridiculous. If a person can move their body in any direction and maneuver around obstacles in their path with pinpoint precision at C, chances are they can dodge an attacker coming at them.

I see that argument used against Surfer all the time and it makes me want to throw up.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by illadelph12
You know, this whole combat speed vs. travel speed thing is ridiculous. If a person can move their body in any direction and maneuver around obstacles in their path with pinpoint precision at C, chances are they can dodge an attacker coming at them.

I see that argument used against Surfer all the time and it makes me want to throw up.
Same here. And I'm not even a Surfer fan.

marwash22
Originally posted by Omega Vision
You're assuming she doesn't blitz them with her superior speed before they can even attack. Originally posted by marwash22
she's gonna speed blitz 10+ people who have sonido and shunpo...

no.

illadelph12
I'm not a Surfer fan either, per se, I just hate the reasoning people try to use to justify things.

Which is part of the reason I don't debate as actively as I did a few years back. I realized that whether it makes sense or not, people will stick to it to defend their dog in a fight.

illadelph12
Also, the likelihood of Diana wtfpwning 10+ teleporters in a split second is kinda low. Chances are she's in for a battle of attrition.

Need more feats of these Bleach cats' damage output. What kind of firepower are they packing? And any abilities that could offer a tactical advantage (like the shadow power and this "child's game" rule alteration ability)?

marwash22
More to the speed thing: WW, for as fast as she is (slying or running or deflecting), she can't stop on a dime and change her path in the same manner bleach character's can when they use Shunpo/Sonido/the other one Quincy's use.

There's a good chance I'm wrong, if so... why can't you just show me a scan so we can get past it? Is it that, in the character's long history, it's never been show, so you're just assuming she can?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that sounds an awful like the powerscaling thing you peeps call Carver out on for doing when DBZ is the topic. If she's never done it, she can't do it and that's not even Appeal to ignorance, because there's isn't even anything to suggest she can do it. Originally posted by illadelph12
Also, the likelihood of Diana wtfpwning 10+ teleporters in a split second is kinda low. Chances are she's in for a battle of attrition.

Need more feats of these Bleach cats' damage output. What kind of firepower are they packing? And any abilities that could offer a tactical advantage (like the shadow power and this "child's game" rule alteration ability)? Other than...

-Ulquiorra throwing javelin-nukes.
-Stark shooting machine gun blast with the destructive power of dynamite.
-Baraggan spreading mist around the battlefield that ages you.
-Ichigo shooting Tenshou's that can cut through buildings.
-Szayel spraying the field with goo that creates clones of you.
-Tosen creating sound that knocks you unconcious.


We haven't even addressed Tessai and Hachi who have kido capable to restraining class 100's with ease.

or

Aizen who just needs to draw his sword and place her under hypnosis that phucks with her senses to the point where he can literally make her believe anything is real.

NemeBro
Originally posted by illadelph12
Also, the likelihood of Diana wtfpwning 10+ teleporters in a split second is kinda low. Chances are she's in for a battle of attrition.

Need more feats of these Bleach cats' damage output. What kind of firepower are they packing? And any abilities that could offer a tactical advantage (like the shadow power and this "child's game" rule alteration ability)? They aren't teleporters, they just move fast enough they appear to teleport. The fastest Bleach characters are hypersonic, and not by a very high margin. Ichigo, currently the fastest Bleach character, was able to go the length of half a town or so in a few seconds, while fast, it's laughable compared to Diana.

The two greatest instances of power output are from Ulquiorra, who could use what was basically a low-yield nuke, although he was also incredibly inaccurate with it, according to his own words, and Yamamoto, who could apparently destroy a town.

Most Bleach character's are pretty straight-forward in ability, Shunsui with his shadow/children's game crap is an exception, but he will be dead immediately.

carver9
Originally posted by illadelph12
I'm not a Surfer fan either, per se, I just hate the reasoning people try to use to justify things.

Which is part of the reason I don't debate as actively as I did a few years back. I realized that whether it makes sense or not, people will stick to it to defend their dog in a fight.

The thing is, that was a one time showing and there is no telling how fast the shards were going by the time it reached her. Was the shard that Ichigo slapping out of the air going as fast as the shards Wonder Woman was slapping, we really dont know but if we look at consistency, Ichigo speed>>>Wonder Womans combat wise.

Flight vs Combat speed, two different things if you ask me. If this person is so fast like people are saying that they are, why is it so difficult for you all to find a combat scenerio proving this?

-Pr-
Originally posted by carver9
What makes Wonder Woman tagging Flash any different than Deathstroke tagging flash, Grundy tagging Flash, Nightwing tagging Flash, Darkseid tagging Flash, etc...

Everyone that I named has a dose of super speed. You cant choose a feat for one person and discredit it for others.

You can if it's inconsistent. and no, they all don't.

Originally posted by illadelph12
You know, this whole combat speed vs. travel speed thing is ridiculous. If a person can move their body in any direction and maneuver around obstacles in their path with pinpoint precision at C, chances are they can dodge an attacker coming at them.

I see that argument used against Surfer all the time and it makes me want to throw up.

common sense aint that common, etc.

Originally posted by illadelph12
I'm not a Surfer fan either, per se, I just hate the reasoning people try to use to justify things.

Which is part of the reason I don't debate as actively as I did a few years back. I realized that whether it makes sense or not, people will stick to it to defend their dog in a fight.

liar. i remember you going on and on about him on msn lol...

carver9
Originally posted by NemeBro
They aren't teleporters, they just move fast enough they appear to teleport. The fastest Bleach characters are hypersonic, and not by a very high margin. Ichigo, currently the fastest Bleach character, was able to go the length of half a town or so in a few seconds, while fast, it's laughable compared to Diana.

The two greatest instances of power output are from Ulquiorra, who could use what was basically a low-yield nuke, although he was also incredibly inaccurate with it, according to his own words, and Yamamoto, who could apparently destroy a town.

Most Bleach character's are pretty straight-forward in ability, Shunsui with his shadow/children's game crap is an exception, but he will be dead immediately.

LOL at how you find these caculations for these characters speed.

-Pr-
Can someone just post the best Bleach speed feat with some measure of calculation attached to it so we can put this to rest, please?

carver9
Originally posted by -Pr-
You can if it's inconsistent. and no, they all don't.



common sense aint that common, etc.



liar. i remember you going on and on about him on msn lol...

But the scans that you all showed was consistent at all since she was getting blitzed constantly by the flashes. She didnt keep up with them, she timed her attack just like everyone else that goes against the flashes does.

carver9
Originally posted by -Pr-
Can someone just post the best Bleach speed feat with some measure of calculation attached to it so we can put this to rest, please?

This is the hard part...

No character minus flash has any caculations towards their speed during combat. Everything that we have said about each character on this forum has basically been nothing but speculation.

marwash22
Originally posted by NemeBro
They aren't teleporters, they just move fast enough they appear to teleport. It's not as simple as them "moving fasting enough that they appear to teleport". They're more like teleporters than what you make them sound like, which is low level speedsters. They literally skip over space when using shunpo... When the Flash goes from A to C, there is a trail and you can intercept him at point B, when Bleach character's use shunpo/sonido, they actually bypass steps and arrive at point C, without ever touching point B.

illadelph12
Originally posted by -Pr-
liar. i remember you going on and on about him on msn lol...

Only time I go on and on is when I'm speaking of my utter and total hate for the son of my jailer.

King Kandy
Originally posted by marwash22
It's not as simple as them "moving fasting enough that they appear to teleport". They're more like teleporters than what you make them sound like, which is low level speedsters. They literally skip over space when using shunpo... When the Flash goes from A to C, there is a trail and you can intercept him at point B, when Bleach character's use shunpo/sonido, they actually bypass steps and arrive at point C, without ever touching point B.
That's just not true, at all. Shunpo is just a way of using Reiryoku to do brief acceleration that is too fast to see. In no way is it equivalent to teleportation, or do you "skip" any space other than taking fewer steps.

King Kandy
Originally posted by illadelph12
It would be when you consider that when a person is flying, depending on the angle of the sun, the side of their body opposite the sun, which has the light to obstructed by their own mass, becomes shaded.

That could be an avenue of attack depending on how this power works.
I think the shadow actually has to be of near-human size for him to emerge from it, not just any little bit of shade.

marwash22
Originally posted by King Kandy
That's just not true, at all. Shunpo is just a way of using Reiryoku to do brief acceleration that is too fast to see. In no way is it equivalent to teleportation, or do you "skip" any space other than taking fewer steps. Perhaps you misunderstood. You cannot touch someone while they are in Shunpo, when Flash runs, you can touch him before he gets to his destination...

i don't know how to say it clearer than that.Originally posted by King Kandy
I think the shadow actually has to be of near-human size for him to emerge from it, not just any little bit of shade. Maybe. But he can still put his sword through the shawdow.

NemeBro
Originally posted by carver9
LOL at how you find these caculations for these characters speed. I could not help but notice your intelligently presented response to my post.

Starrk's speed feat that was posted is probably the best in the series, and going by that he would only be mach 10, though this is just a guesstimation, not gonna calc it myself.

Guess what though? My "guesstimation" is still much more valid than you saying "It's faster cause of how it looks." smile

NemeBro
Originally posted by marwash22
It's not as simple as them "moving fasting enough that they appear to teleport". They're more like teleporters than what you make them sound like, which is low level speedsters. They literally skip over space when using shunpo... When the Flash goes from A to C, there is a trail and you can intercept him at point B, when Bleach character's use shunpo/sonido, they actually bypass steps and arrive at point C, without ever touching point B. I'd love to see you prove this statement which has never been so much as alluded to, considering we have seen people cut off in Shunpo.

marwash22
Originally posted by NemeBro
I'd love to see you prove this statement which has never been so much as alluded to, considering we have seen people cut off in Shunpo. like when?

I'm actually trying to think of an instance where that has happened.

NemeBro
Originally posted by marwash22
like when?

I'm actually trying to think of an instance where that has happened. Yamamoto was able to cut Shunsui and Ukitake off if I recall right.

Not that it matters, alot of your claims sound like shit you've made up.

King Kandy
Originally posted by marwash22
Perhaps you misunderstood. You cannot touch someone while they are in Shunpo, when Flash runs, you can touch him before he gets to his destination...

i don't know how to say it clearer than that.
You're wrong. As long as you are as fast as they are, you can touch them.

Here, an Arrancar uses Sonido. But because Uryu is just as fast as he is, they both seem to be running normally to eachother. Therefore Shunpo/Sonido is NOT teleportation in any sense.

http://www.bleachanime.org/manga/Bleach-Chapter-243/M7+Bleach+Ch243-10.jpg.php
http://www.bleachanime.org/manga/Bleach-Chapter-243/M7+Bleach+Ch243-11.jpg.php

marwash22
Originally posted by NemeBro
Yamamoto was able to cut Shunsui and Ukitake off if I recall right. he didn't cut them off, he caught up to them. No one has ever grabbed/attacked another character while in the middle of a flash step.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Not that it matters, alot of your claims sound like shit you've made up. like what?

marwash22
Originally posted by King Kandy
You're wrong. As long as you are as fast as they are, you can touch them.

Here, an Arrancar uses Sonido. But because Uryu is just as fast as he is, they both seem to be running normally to eachother. Therefore Shunpo/Sonido is NOT teleportation in any sense.

http://www.bleachanime.org/manga/Bleach-Chapter-243/M7+Bleach+Ch243-10.jpg.php
http://www.bleachanime.org/manga/Bleach-Chapter-243/M7+Bleach+Ch243-11.jpg.php *sigh* please quote me where i said Shunpo/sonido IS teleportation.

NemeBro
Originally posted by marwash22
he didn't cut them off, he caught up to them. No one has ever grabbed/attacked another character while in the middle of a flash step.

like what? I'll take our word for it.

Like this one for example. no expression Though the time you claimed the Kyuubi could not be physically touched was made up too. It was also proved to be untrue a few weeks later. Lol.

MooCowofJustice
Originally posted by carver9
MooCow (dont know why I am asking you this because you dont know of the character), show me Wonder Woman fighting at light speed. How about this, let me help you out... show me Wonder Woman fighting faster or at the speed of sound.

That shouldnt be hard for you.

Another speed feat by the way... you dont have to fast forward this, it starts at the beginning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ3yT_zCxuQ

Wow. I tell you it's foolish to ask for the thing so you ask for it again anyway.

Asking for specific fighting like DBZ or Bleach is not going to happen. As far as I know, comic fights aren't written like that. And characters do not need to have a fight like that to prove they can move at that speed.

marwash22
Originally posted by NemeBro
I'll take our word for it.

Like this one for example. no expression you haven't shown me an example of somone pulling someone out a shunpo, so as it stands, you're the one making stuff up.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Though the time you claimed the Kyuubi could not be physically touched was made up too. It was also proved to be untrue a few weeks later. Lol. pretty sure you're perverting the context of that statement, but believe what you will. "Can't touch this"... as in the MC Hammer song. No one could touch the Kyuubi (touch, as in do damage to it) and the only option was sealing it.

King Kandy
Originally posted by marwash22
*sigh* please quote me where i said Shunpo/sonido IS teleportation.
You said that they could not be intercepted while using Shunpo. That itself has been proven wrong. You claimed that a shunpo user can go from point a to point b without being in the space in between. That has DEFINITELY been proben wrong.

marwash22
Originally posted by King Kandy
You said that they could not be intercepted while using Shunpo. That itself has been proven wrong. You claimed that a shunpo user can go from point a to point b without being in the space in between. That has DEFINITELY been proben wrong. proven wrong, how? Show me an example of someone being touched or stopped in the middle of a shunpo.

NemeBro
Originally posted by marwash22
you haven't shown me an example of somone pulling someone out a shunpo, so as it stands, you're the one making stuff up.

pretty sure you're perverting the context of that statement, but believe what you will. "Can't touch this"... as in the MC Hammer song. No one could touch the Kyuubi (touch, as in do damage to it) and the only option was sealing it. What makes you think it is teleportation? And don't play semantics, if you think they can move between two places without actually moving in the space between, that is teleportation.

Not really no, you said that you cannot touch the Kyuubi, which was not only not proven, but proven to be bullshit on two separate occasions.

marwash22
Originally posted by NemeBro
What makes you think it is teleportation? And don't play semantics, if you think they can move between two places without actually moving in the space between, that is teleportation.

they step
they vanish
they reapear in a different location and bypass the steps in between.

What evidence do you have that they are just running fast?

EDIT: can we actually talk about the matchup?

King Kandy
Originally posted by marwash22
they step
they vanish
they reapear in a different location and bypass the steps in between.

What evidence do you have that they are just running fast?

EDIT: can we actually talk about the matchup?
Um, the evidence I posted where an arrancar is shown running fast, and is using Sonido? That's all it is, fast running. I showed what it looks like while in use, seen by a person able to keep up with it, and it IS running.

illadelph12
Hmm...

Those manga scans are meant to be read right to left, right?

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