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I heard about this on the radio this morning. Apparently this Jones fellow has been convicted of possessing child pornography.

And he's planning on selling his merchandise at the book burnings.

Sounds like another stereotypical religious crook to me.

Whether he have a huge evangelical televised congregation, or have a small organization. A Crook's a crook.

This is not a good idea...at all. This may be offensive to the even most non-religious of Muslims.

Free speech. Don't you fascists try to stop this noble man!

Man's an idiot looking for trouble, still doesn't mean he hasn't the right to burn his own property(I assume the books weren't stolen), as long as he does it within the confines of the law.

Muslim's burn shit all the time, flags, puppets made out in the likeness of certain people; that's okay.

Originally posted by Robtard
Man's an idiot looking for trouble, still doesn't mean he hasn't the right to burn his own property(I assume the books weren't stolen), as long as he does it within the confines of the law.

Muslim's burn shit all the time, flags, puppets made out in the likeness of certain people; that's okay.

So, you're saying we're no better than terrorists?

Got it.

EDIT: By "We" I mean the parties involved with the current topic of discussion. The book burners.

EDIT EDIT: Don't come at me with your "all Muslims are terrorsts!?" crap.

Originally posted by Mindship
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Oh, it's worse than that. This year one of the holiest days on the Muslim calendar falls on September 11th.

Originally posted by Ax3l
So, you're saying we're no better than terrorists?

Got it.

EDIT: By "We" I mean the parties involved with the current topic of discussion. The book burners.

EDIT EDIT: Don't come at me with your "all Muslims are terrorsts!?" crap.

I'm saying this guy's an idiot and anyone that partakes in his burning is an idiot.

I'm also saying that Muslims being pissed off because some ass-clown in Florida is burning Qur'ans is ridiculous too. In the end, the Qur'ans were paid for; they're the property of the people who paid for them. If they want to use them for tinder, oh well.

Isn't there like a "freedom of religion" clause in the U.S. constitution?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Isn't there like a "freedom of religion" clause in the U.S. constitution?

1st Amendment of the Bill of Rights. Though I'm not sure how that applies here.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Isn't there like a "freedom of religion" clause in the U.S. constitution? That doesn't supersede all other laws, though.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Isn't there like a "freedom of religion" clause in the U.S. constitution?

He's not burning this book as part of his religion, he's burning it because he loves freedom.

Why can't they burn things?

They are just talented trolls.

Think of how offended assholes would get if they were burning the bible on American soil.

Originally posted by Robtard
1st Amendment of the Bill of Rights. Though I'm not sure how that applies here.

"Jones, author of a book called "Islam is of The Devil," told CNN's "American Morning" show that the burning was designed to send a message to radical Islam."

They are burning the books to send a message to a particular religious group.

Guy's clearly stupid.

Originally posted by AbnormalButSane
Well, that just makes all Christians look stupid and uneducated.

Na, you can't blame the masses for the clownery of the few. Well, you can; it'd be foolish to do so though.

Originally posted by Ax3l
Think of how offended assholes would get if they were burning the bible on American soil.

I wouldn't care. I would probably join them in the bible burning.

Originally posted by AbnormalButSane
Well, that just makes all Christians look stupid and uneducated.

How in the world does it do that?Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
"Jones, author of a book called "Islam is of The Devil," told CNN's "American Morning" show that the burning was designed to send a message to radical Islam."

They are burning the books to send a message to a particular religious group.

I think you got freedom of religion backwards, there....

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
"Jones, author of a book called "Islam is of The Devil," told CNN's "American Morning" show that the burning was designed to send a message to radical Islam."

They are burning the books to send a message to a particular religious group.

Okay, what's the message, that the Pastor and his flock don't like Islam and wish it destroyed? Or something to the affect.

That's not oppressing Islamic worship in America, it's just idiots making a rant. The most sensible thing any Muslim could do over this is ignore it and go about their lives as if it didn't happen. Feeding it, tells that ass-clown Pastor he's succeeded.

Originally posted by Bardock42
How in the world does it do that?

I think you got freedom of religion backwards, there.... Probably. I prefer burning magazines over books, easier to light and they burn longer.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Probably. I prefer burning magazines over books, easier to light and they burn longer.

Don't have experience in that area.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Don't have experience in that area. Then get the **** out of this thread. You're obviously in way over your head.


I prefer newspapers. They can light many things.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I prefer burning magazines over books, easier to light and they burn longer.

Because of all the semen stains.

Originally posted by Robtard
Because of all the semen stains. Mhm, and the glossy pages.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Probably. I prefer burning magazines over books, easier to light and they burn longer. I prefer houses for that.

Originally posted by Robtard
Because of all the semen stains.

Semen burns?...Awesome...although I cant really hold my laptop, dick AND a lighter at the same time...Damn.

Originally posted by jaden101
Semen burns?...Awesome...although I cant really hold my laptop, dick AND a lighter at the same time...Damn.

You're not applying yourself hard enough is all.

Originally posted by jaden101
Semen burns?...Awesome...although I cant really hold my laptop, dick AND a lighter at the same time...Damn. Are you saying you can't jerk off without porn? Cause that's sad, dude.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Oh, it's worse than that. This year one of the holiest days on the Muslim calendar falls on September 11th. God's sense of humor once again betrays his existence.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Are you saying you can't jerk off without porn? Cause that's sad, dude.

No, he likes to look at pictures of Stephen Fry while doing his business.

A lot of these Southern Baptist churches have a special hate for Islam. I've sat in a few, and they tend to ignore the others, like Buddists, Hindus and Mormons. There's something about Islam in particular that gets under their skin.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
A lot of these Southern Baptist churches have a special hate for Islam. I've sat in a few, and they tend to ignore the others, like Buddists, Hindus and Mormons. There's something about Islam in particular that gets under their skin.

9/11, as they associate it with "Islam attacked us!"

Perhaps also cause Islam really is the only Religion being a real threat. I mean, who in their right mind is going to convert to Hinduism?

Originally posted by Robtard
9/11, as they associate it with "Islam attacked us!"

Also, if they're Spanish they associate Islam with Moors, if hey're Austrian, Polish, Russian, Armenian, Greek, Bulgarian, Serbian, Romanian they associate with Ottomans, if they Copts they associate with their persecution, if they're Assyrian or Lebanese they associate with their persecution....I don't know...if they're English or North European they're just winging...

9/11 added feul to the fire, but it was even before that. Probably because its the only religion that directly challenges Jesus' divinity.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
9/11 added feul to the fire, but it was even before that. Probably because its the only religion that directly challenges Jesus' divinity.

Judaism also challenges it - a lot. Muslims actually believe Jesus was sent by God, but not a son of God, while Jews don't believe any of it.

I know that, but I'm talking about their reasoning.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I mean, who in their right mind is going to convert to Hinduism? As many as will convert to islam

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I know that, but I'm talking about their reasoning.

You should have stated that then.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
As many as will convert to islam That makes no sense in context

Originally posted by Bardock42
That makes no sense in context Welcome to religion

Originally posted by Bardock42
Are you saying you can't jerk off without porn? Cause that's sad, dude.

Replace laptop with binoculars then...Happy?

Originally posted by jaden101
Replace laptop with binoculars then...Happy?

That's sad and I think illegal.

Originally posted by Bardock42
That's sad and I think illegal.

As per Groundskeeper Willy, all the Scots do it.

Heard about this a long time ago...This evil preacher has been on TV talking about his intentions.

I wonder how he thinks this will solve anything other than pissing billions of devout followers off and stirring further differences.

To Lil, QM and bards (and whoever was in the convo):

While 9-11 might be the current reason to hate islam, it is probably prudent to bring up Malcolm X and Mohammed Ali.

Before 9-11, Islam was the fastest growing religion among black Americans (probably still is), in fact, it was the only major religion in North America that was growning.

However, Islam, as far back as the 60s-70s, had a position in society where it was used by minority advocates as a stance from which to criticize mainstream and largely white christian culture.

Im sure 9-11 has a lot to do with it, but the "other"-ness of muslims (especially given race relations in the states) was established long before this.

Originally posted by jaden101
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Originally posted by inimalist
To Lil, QM and bards (and whoever was in the convo):

While 9-11 might be the current reason to hate islam, it is probably prudent to bring up Malcolm X and Mohammed Ali.

Before 9-11, Islam was the fastest growing religion among black Americans (probably still is), in fact, it was the only major religion in North America that was growning.

However, Islam, as far back as the 60s-70s, had a position in society where it was used by minority advocates as a stance from which to criticize mainstream and largely white christian culture.

Im sure 9-11 has a lot to do with it, but the "other"-ness of muslims (especially given race relations in the states) was established long before this.

That's actually partly what I was referring to. I suppose I didn't make it clear, I didn't want to talk about them being a threat of violence, but a threat as a competing religion, for people to preach their opinions as well as to convert people. It's the only real competition Christianity has (besides atheism perhaps), Hinduism, Judaism, Buddhism, they are all no real threat politically and as a Religion.

Though you obviously couldn't know that from my snippet there...

I say if you don't like the books then you should not read it.Book burning does not apove anything it is just a waste of time.

While it's stupid it IS free speech. He should have the right to do it and if people are offended then they are just as stupid as he is.

Originally posted by Bardock42
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Originally posted by Robtard
Na, you can't blame the masses for the clownery of the few. Well, you can; it'd be foolish to do so though.

That's not what is going to happen, though. Many Muslims will hear about this and do exactly as she's suggested: think Christians are dumb morons.


Just the same as many Americans don't like Muslims because of 9-11 type stuff.


People are not smart and like to group people. It makes it easier on them.


Originally posted by jaden101
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The world is reduced to laughing at poor taste humor (my kind of humor), in code.

Originally posted by jaden101
dot dash dot dot.......dash dash dash.......dot dash dot dot It took you like an hour to think up typing that, huh?

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
It took you like an hour to think up typing that, huh?

No...It took me 59 minutes to **** your mother, 30 seconds to clean myself up and 30 seconds to type that.

It took you an hour to **** my mother? Jesus, it looks like somebodies ate their wheaties today.

Originally posted by Ax3l
So, you're saying we're no better than terrorists?

Got it.

EDIT: By "We" I mean the parties involved with the current topic of discussion. The book burners.

EDIT EDIT: Don't come at me with your "all Muslims are terrorsts!?" crap. meh flag and puppet burning are a widespread and traditional form of protest, they have nothing to do with terrorism.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
It took you an hour to **** my mother? Jesus, it looks like somebodies ate their wheaties today.

Well it's no easy to maintain a diamond cutter when she's got a face like a well skelpt erse...as we say around here.

Originally posted by 753
meh flag and puppet burning are a widespread and traditional form of protest, they have nothing to do with terrorism.

Although not terrorism of course, I believe flag burning is illegal in certain countries...though I am not completely sure.
I'll have to google it.

"It is the duty of Muslims to react," said Mohammad Mukhtar, a cleric and candidate for the Afghan parliament in the Sept. 18 election. "When their holy book Quran gets burned in public, then there is nothing left. If this happens, I think the first and most important reaction will be that wherever Americans are seen, they will be killed. No matter where they will be in the world they will be killed."

mmm

You know, I feel like the Govt' should prevent this from happening and state that it's being prevented for the sake of national security. 'cause, this is totally undermining like, every attempt we've ever made at showing the world that we're tolerant ofother countries.

A reminder from the man, Bill Hicks, himself - a little old, but still applicable, I think...

ON PATRIOTISM:

Did you watch the flag burning thing? Wasn't that great man? Boy everybody showed their true colours then didn't they?....Scary... People just flipped, they reacted like The Supreme Court approved of flag burning, know what I mean?

" Does that mean we have to burn our flags?.. They said that we ha-..."
"NO NO NO NO NO NO, they didn't say that. They said that if someone wanted to burn a flag, he perhaps doesn't need to go to jail for a year...Pretty harsh on their part huh?"
"They said we should bur-...."
"They didn't say that, they didn't say that, they didn't say that."
"Does that mean I have to go and -...."
"NO NO NO NO NO NO NO... Listen, read , think, calm down, relax, SHUT THE F@CK UP!"
"Well I don't get it..I don't wanna burn my flag...."
"THEN DOOOOOOOOOOON'T."

Personally I do not believe in burning the flag. It's a personal belief, but I'll tell you something, I think people are overreacting, oh, just a little bit.
"Hey buddy, my daddy died for that flag."
"Well, I bought mine. Sorry. You know they sell them at K-Mart for three bucks? You're in, you're out, brand new flag, no violence necessary."
"Hey buddy, my daddy died in the Korean war for that flag."
"What a coincidence - my flag was made in Korea!"

No-one, and I repeat NO-ONE has ever died for a flag. A flag is a piece of cloth, they might have died for freedom, which, by the way, is the freedom to....burn the f@cking flag you see??... Burning the flag doesn't make freedom go away, it's kinda like FREE-DOM, OK?... OK.

I don't wanna burn a flag, but what business is it of mine if you do?
Is it my business if someone wants to..Is it?...NO
Is it my business what other people read or watch on TV? NO IT'S NOT...THANK YOU

You see, when you talk these things out they become a little clearer, don't they? They do. That's called logic and it'll help us all evolve and get on the f@ckin' spaceships and GET OUTTA HERE! Let's go!

I would rather see books burned then people.

not all muslims are terrorists but so far most all terrorist have been muslim.

i'm with jones on this one. i'm tired of america always walking on egg shells or being sensitive or trying to be politically correct with a region that's predominantly anti american because we may offend while they think it's their birthright offend the u.s. all the time.

a trillion + and thousands of american lives have been lost/wasted on this long war which shouldn't've been this long. we should've went in and let our boys do what they do best as soldiers and that's to kill. go in kill and get out. but no, that seemed to merciless and offensive. so instead we turned our boys into the salvation army, and security force trainers for incompetent anti american iraqi policmen. all in the name of seeming nice even if it meant having nick berg's head sawed while alive on camera by some islamofacist.

all's fair in love and war. too bad the u.s. doesn't think so. jones thinks so though. and so do I.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
"It is the duty of Muslims to react," said Mohammad Mukhtar, a cleric and candidate for the Afghan parliament in the Sept. 18 election. "When their holy book Quran gets burned in public, then there is nothing left. If this happens, I think the first and most important reaction will be that wherever Americans are seen, they will be killed. No matter where they will be in the world they will be killed."

mmm

You know, I feel like the Govt' should prevent this from happening and state that it's being prevented for the sake of national security. 'cause, this is totally undermining like, every attempt we've ever made at showing the world that we're tolerant ofother countries.

Are you willing to allow the government to interfere in anything and everything people do for the sake of "we can't, cos some Islamic Cleric made a decree/threat"?

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
not all muslims are terrorists but so far most all terrorist have been muslim.

i'm with jones on this one. i'm tired of america always walking on egg shells or being sensitive or trying to be politically correct with a region that's predominantly anti american because we may offend while they think it's their birthright offend the u.s. all the time.

a trillion + and thousands of american lives have been lost/wasted on this long war which shouldn't've been this long. we should've went in and let our boys do what they do best as soldiers and that's to kill. go in kill and get out. but no, that seemed to merciless and offensive. so instead we turned our boys into the salvation army, and security force trainers for incompetent anti american iraqi policmen. all in the name of seeming nice even if it meant having nick berg's head sawed while alive on camera by some islamofacist.

all's fair in love and war. too bad the u.s. doesn't think so. jones thinks so though. and so do I. lol

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
not all muslims are terrorists but so far most all terrorist have been muslim.

That's not true either. Most acts of terrorism in the US have been perpetrated by white Christians or groups with no clear religious affiliation.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
a trillion + and thousands of american lives have been lost/wasted on this long war which shouldn't've been this long. we should've went in and let our boys do what they do best as soldiers and that's to kill. go in kill and get out. but no, that seemed to merciless and offensive. so instead we turned our boys into the salvation army, and security force trainers for incompetent anti american iraqi policmen. all in the name of seeming nice even if it meant having nick berg's head sawed while alive on camera by some islamofacist.

all's fair in love and war. too bad the u.s. doesn't think so. jones thinks so though. and so do I.

It's less about seeming "nice" that it is about not leaving a power vacuum waiting to be filled by people who hate us. Once you invade a country you have to take responsibility for it or face the consequences.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I would rather see books burned then people.

I would rather see a book burned than to eat celery...

Originally posted by Robtard
Are you willing to allow the government to interfere in anything and everything people do for the sake of "we can't, cos some Islamic Cleric made a decree/threat"? Yes, because they have guns and I don't.

Wait, wait, you mean from like a hypothetical situation? No.

But on the other hand, I wouldn't really give a shit if the Gov't interfered with a group of butthurt individuals trying to burn some books. Doesn't matter what the books are.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Yes, because they have guns and I don't.

Wait, wait, you mean from like a hypothetical situation? No.

But on the other hand, I wouldn't really give a shit if the Gov't interfered with a group of butthurt individuals trying to burn some books. Doesn't matter what the books are.

Granted, the Pastor is a clown-shoe and what he's doing is moronic; it's within his rights to do so. It would set a precedent if the government came in and stopped his little bonfire due to outside threats.

What if the next Derka-Derka-Muhammad-Jihad Cleric comes along and states "Americans must be killed on sight because of their acceptance of and proliferation of porn." Would you want the government imposing restrictions on your porn use?

Originally posted by Robtard
Granted, the Pastor is a clown-shoe and what he's doing is moronic; it's within his rights to do so. It would set a precedent if the government came in and stopped his little bonfire due to outside threats.

I've spent the last 12 years of my life signing away my rights in public schools. I'm not apart of the group of people who think that a person should be able to do whatever he wants because it's within his or her rights.



Good question, I don't know. I think that's a different animal then what's going on here, though. Watching porn is a (usually) private activity that isn't broadcasted. Burning holy books is actively spitting on the face of a major religion, with the intention to cause harm.

Perhaps a better comparison; I would advocate the shutting down of a new program on comedy central called "lol Muslims are dumb".

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
While it's stupid it IS free speech. He should have the right to do it and if people are offended then they are just as stupid as he is.

Very true and good point.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That's not true either. Most acts of terrorism in the US have been perpetrated by white Christians or groups with no clear religious affiliation.
Examples?

Timothy McVeigh (and crew), can't think of others off the top of my head.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
I've spent the last 12 years of my life signing away my rights in public schools. I'm not apart of the group of people who think that a person should be able to do whatever he wants because it's within his or her rights.



Good question, I don't know. I think that's a different animal then what's going on here, though. Watching porn is a (usually) private activity that isn't broadcasted. Burning holy books is actively spitting on the face of a major religion, with the intention to cause harm.

Perhaps a better comparison; I would advocate the shutting down of a new program on comedy central called "lol Muslims are dumb".

I 'spose we should introduce a new government agency called "where the line is drawn"...you can be in charge.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
I've spent the last 12 years of my life signing away my rights in public schools. I'm not apart of the group of people who think that a person should be able to do whatever he wants because it's within his or her rights.

Good question, I don't know. I think that's a different animal then what's going on here, though. Watching porn is a (usually) private activity that isn't broadcasted. Burning holy books is actively spitting on the face of a major religion, with the intention to cause harm.

Perhaps a better comparison; I would advocate the shutting down of a new program on comedy central called "lol Muslims are dumb".

I don't follow that logic. 'It's within your rights to do so, but you can't', I'm sure you could find the odd example, but I disagree in general.

Fair enough comparison, but I disagree in the greater scheme of things. Much is mocked and made fun of all the time on TV, even religions, it seems to me (and South Park made an excellent point showing this) Islam is the "egg shell" exception.

IMO, **** them, they're not special.

Originally posted by SamZED
Examples? Originally posted by Robtard
Timothy McVeigh (and crew), can't think of others off the top of my head.

The UNA bomber.

Originally posted by SamZED
Examples?


Army of God -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_(USA)

The 2001 Anthrax attacks

The stat sym mentioned generally refers to anti-abortion terrorism, which is far more prominant in America than is muslim terror. Muslims have the biggest one, and the highest body count, but a "profile" of the most common terrorist in America is a white-male-christian.

This makes sense due to population demographics alone

Originally posted by inimalist
Army of God -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_(USA)

The 2001 Anthrax attacks

The stat sym mentioned generally refers to anti-abortion terrorism, which is far more prominant in America than is muslim terror. Muslims have the biggest one, and the highest body count, but a "profile" of the most common terrorist in America is a white-male-christian.

This makes sense due to population demographics alone

Kind of unfair to only include attacks in America that were towards America/Americans.

The bombings of US bases, embassies or Americans on foreign lands for the purpose of terrorism are no different than 9/11, with the exception of the death/damage count, imo.

This will bring the radical and some none radical muslims out of the woodwork, and set them up nicely for target practice.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
not all muslims are terrorists but so far most all terrorist have been muslim.



The Irish had a lot more success with terrorist attacks methinks, supported by American NORAID money I might add, lets not forget that

Originally posted by Robtard
Kind of unfair to only include attacks in America that were towards America/Americans.

The bombings of US bases, embassies or Americans on foreign lands for the purpose of terrorism are no different than 9/11, with the exception of the death/damage count, imo.

It was specified "in the US"

expanded to include all terrorist attacks (as opposed to acts of war) against America/American bases, I still think the pattern would hold.

Originally posted by inimalist
It was specified "in the US"

expanded to include all terrorist attacks (as opposed to acts of war) against America/American bases, I still think the pattern would hold.

I know, just see that as a silly restriction, considering it's far easier for Tim McVeigh types to terror-attack in America than say Al Qaida.

Maybe. Unless 'we' arbitrarily state that any attack by a brown or Muslim is a terrorist attack.

Originally posted by Robtard
I don't follow that logic. 'It's within your rights to do so, but you can't', I'm sure you could find the odd example, but I disagree in general.

Fair enough comparison, but I disagree in the greater scheme of things. Much is mocked and made fun of all the time on TV, even religions, it seems to me (and South Park made an excellent point showing this) Islam is the "egg shell" exception.

IMO, **** them, they're not special.

I don't understand what you mean. Are you saying that you aren't aware of many instances where people are prohibited from doing certain things that technically are within their right to do?

I agree that they're certainly more sensitive. But on the other hand, I think most religious groups would react violently to a TV show that didn't just express criticisms toward them, but outright hatred for them.

But, that aside, I'm not really intrested in discussing that, to be honest. I'm more intrested in ideas for what we should do period. What's obvious is that we are, essentially, at odds with Islam. What's less obvious, or rather what's obvious but no one wants to talk about it, is, how are we going to settle this? It's the general consensus that outright merc'ing islam mother****ers isn't the route to take. But, no one wants to stop people from outright bashing them either. So no one wants to get rid of them, and no one wants to appease them. What's the alternative, then?

Originally posted by Robtard
I know, just see that as a silly restriction, considering it's far easier for Tim McVeigh types to terror-attack in America than say Al Qaida.

Maybe. Unless 'we' arbitrarily state that any attack by a brown or Muslim is a terrorist attack.

well, that brings up an interesting point.

Was columbine a terrorist attack? would we consider it one if a Muslim had perpetrated it (yes, re: Ft. Hood).

In America, these types of murders and attacks, perpetrated by whites, are normally left as local tradgedies that get little coverage. Columbine is interesting, because prior to that, all school shootings were, in the media, treated as local. They were actually falling in frequency.

I also don't think it is a silly restriction. Maybe to the well informed, it seems like a no brainer, but there are significant numbers of people out there who don't think of it like this. It is an important stat because it enforces that religion is not what makes people do crazy things, it is just that there are crazy people looking for an excuse.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
I don't understand what you mean. Are you saying that you aren't aware of many instances where people are prohibited from doing certain things that technically are within their right to do?

I agree that they're certainly more sensitive. But on the other hand, I think most religious groups would react violently to a TV show that didn't just express criticisms toward them, but outright hatred for them.

No, I'm agreeing there are, eg you stated you signed off certain rights in order to go to school; that's you signing off to get something in return though. In the general sense of things, I don't agree with that; I especially don't agree with it in this case, this is a private citizen burning his property, it's within his rights (no matter how moronic it is) and the government shouldn't impose because some Islamopheg made threats.

"Sensitive", I think it's a bit more than that, see Salman Rusdie for example. Can you show some examples of other religions reacting in a similar fashion?

Edit: I once saw (online) a painting of Jesus in a sexual 3-way with a lion and a lumberjack (not XXX), do you really think some Pastor or Bishop would call for the head of the artist?

Originally posted by Robtard
"Sensitive", I think it's a bit more than that, see Salman Rusdie for example. Can you show some examples of other religions reacting in a similar fashion?

at the level of having a grand ayatolla decree that the artist must die, no.

However, Andres Serrano recieved a lot of violent criticism for Piss Christ (a work not even intended to be inflamatory) and galleries that have shown work by Mapplethorpe have been threatened (such as, the curator getting death threats at their home)

Originally posted by inimalist
at the level of having a grand ayatolla decree that the artist must die, no.

However, Andres Serrano recieved a lot of violent criticism for Piss Christ (a work not even intended to be inflamatory) and galleries that have shown work by Mapplethorpe have been threatened (such as, the curator getting death threats at their home)

Which was my point, Islamic heads respond FAR more drastically.

Unaware of the "Piss Christ". Am aware of Mapplethorpe, was it some whacked-out individual(s), or was it religious heads making decrees in the name of *insert religion*?

Originally posted by Robtard
Which was my point, Islamic heads respond FAR more drastically.

Unaware of the "Piss Christ". Am aware of Mapplethorpe, was it some whacked-out individual(s), or was it religious heads making decrees in the name of *insert religion*?

I'd say the wacked out option

But like you point out, its more that the wackos are in charge of islam, than anything to do with islam itself

Originally posted by inimalist
I'd say the wacked out option

But like you point out, its more that the wackos are in charge of islam, than anything to do with islam itself

I don't blame Islam(okay, maybe a little), even if the Qur'an states "infidels must be killed", it's still ultimately the fault of the idiots who follow it/do it.

Originally posted by Robtard
No, I'm agreeing there are, eg you stated you signed off certain rights in order to go to school; that's you signing off to get something in return though. In the general sense of things, I don't agree with that; I especially don't agree with it in this case, this is a private citizen burning his property, it's within his rights (no matter how moronic it is) and the government shouldn't impose because some Islamopheg made threats.

Well, if you don't want to appease the radical muslims, then what do you think would be the right thing to do, so far as preventing them from killing us?



No, I can't.



It's happened many times before in history. Maybe not nowadays, no.

Originally posted by Robtard
I don't blame Islam(okay, maybe a little), even if the Qur'an states "infidels must be killed", it's still ultimately the fault of the idiots who follow it/do it.

I agree. But the blame doesn't lie totally with them - they're sucked into an ideology.
And you should know better than many Westerners that Qu'ran does not have the same standing in Muslim world as does Bible in Christian world. Qu'ran is undisputed and direct word of God (word for word), not a bunch of people jotting things down such as Pete, Steve, Mark and Paul.
This is what makes it mega, super sacred.

With that in mind, this whole book burning is seriously not a good idea.
It just goes to prove that those who think burning this book is somehow a good idea, are not yet familiar with Islamic doctrine and religion.

This is why I think this will offend a lot more Muslims than would Bible burning, Christians.

That's generally what I was getting at(not really), but, you're so much more articulate. Marry me.

Originally posted by Robtard

Edit: I once saw (online) a painting of Jesus in a sexual 3-way with a lion and a lumberjack (not XXX), do you really think some Pastor or Bishop would call for the head of the artist?

In North America or Europe? no

In central America, sourh America or Africa? I'd still be surprised, but I wouldn't bet against it

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Well, if you don't want to appease the radical muslims, then what do you think would be the right thing to do, so far as preventing them from killing us?

No, I can't.

It's happened many times before in history. Maybe not nowadays, no.

IMO, there's little to do to appease radical people like these, they'll simply find something to fight about, no matter what. That or convert the US into an Islamic republic; that might(it won't) work.

Ha, you can't.

Well sure, the Inquisition, the Crusades, but as you implied, that was long ago.

There are radicals in all branches of religions, IMO. Like the Catholic Church: "The Catechism of the Catholic Church specifies that all sex acts must be both unitive and procreative. In addition to condemning use of artificial birth control as intrinsically evil, non-procreative sex acts such as mutual masturbation and anal sex are ruled out as ways to avoid pregnancy."

That is simply the dumbest, most intransigent, irresponsible position for a world leader to take - but then, as I've stated elsewhere, I don't have a lot of patience for blithering idiots... Of ANY religion.

HEY! MORON! IF SEX ISN"T FUN YOU"RE DOING IT WRONG!

(And before you come and burn crosses outside my yard, I didn't say I have a problem with people who have faith - you are welcome to believe whatever you want!)

But for crying out loud, why are we still willing to attack and kill people to "prove" one religion is better than another in this day and age?

Which is why I am a follower of the "Bill Hicks School of Faith".

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I agree. But the blame doesn't lie totally with them - they're sucked into an ideology.
And you should know better than many Westerners that Qu'ran does not have the same standing in Muslim world as does Bible in Christian world. Qu'ran is undisputed and direct word of God (word for word), not a bunch of people jotting things down such as Pete, Steve, Mark and Paul.
This is what makes it mega, super sacred.

With that in mind, this whole book burning is seriously not a good idea.
It just goes to prove that those who think burning this book is somehow a good idea, are not yet familiar with Islamic doctrine and religion.

This is why I think this will offend a lot more Muslims than would Bible burning, Christians.

I disagree. The Bible is supposed to be the indisputable word of Jesus-God too and is just as sacred. Comes down to the individual follower. Same can be said for most religious text.

Agree it's stupid and the Pastor is an imbecile, but I don't agree it should be stopped on the "some Muslims won't like and who knows what they'll do" grounds.

Islam practitioners seem far more fanatical to their religion than most other religious followers on the whole; this is why it will be far more personal than burning Bibles, in using your example. That's the fault of those Muslims though, their religion isn't law in all parts of the world; they should respect that.

Originally posted by Robtard
IMO, there's little to do to appease radical people like these, they'll simply find something to fight about, no matter what. That or convert the US into an Islamic republic; that might(it won't) work.
That didn't answer my question, though. What should we do, then?



Nah, I just don't wanna. ahah

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
That didn't answer my question, though. What should we do, then?



Nah, I just don't wanna. ahah

It did, I don't think there's much "we" can do to appease radical people, at least feasibly do. IMO, "we" either do everything they demand and spend forever in an "walking of eggshells" approach, towards them or we ignore their retard demands/rants. The later being feasible.

Originally posted by Robtard
It did, I don't think there's much "we" can do to appease radical people, at least feasibly do. IMO, "we" either do everything they demand and spend forever in an "walking of eggshells" approach, towards them or we ignore their retard demands/rants. The later being feasible. My question was, if you don't think that appeasing radical muslims will keep them from trying to kill us, then what should we do, instead? To quote what I said earlier,

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
My question was, if you don't think that appeasing radical muslims will keep them from trying to kill us, then what should we do, instead?

WTF, I said "ignore their idiocy", ie go about our lives. Taking away a man's right to do something (yes, even something stupid) because of threats from radicals isn't an option, imo.

If a group happens to do something as what happened on 9/11, then pursue that group/people specifically and crush them, their wives, their parents, their children, their cousins, their siblings, their 4th grade teacher and their pets.

Make the act of terrorism so unappealing that the religious heads that indoctrinate these idiots to blow themselves up in the name of god won't be able to recruit in the first place.

Originally posted by Robtard
I disagree. The Bible is supposed to be the indisputable word of Jesus-God too and is just as sacred. Comes down to the individual follower. Same can be said for most religious text.

Agree it's stupid and the Pastor is an imbecile, but I don't agree it should be stopped on the "some Muslims won't like and who knows what they'll do" grounds.

Islam practitioners seem far more fanatical to their religion than most other religious followers on the whole; this is why it will be far more personal than burning Bibles, in using your example. That's the fault of those Muslims though, their religion isn't law in all parts of the world; they should respect that.

However, Bible is said to be written BY Paul and whoever else was writing it. We could sit here and have a healthy debate as to why much of what has been written could be faulty and/or misinterpreted as the words of God.
Qu'ran is a recitation by God. Hadith would be equivalent to Bible, because it is a lot of stories and narrations written by followers of Muhammed about what he did, said, ate and the likes.
Bible and the Qur'an haven't the same status.

Jesus NEVER wrote anything, so we can point that out when debating the Bible. From what we do know, Jesus also advocated that all churches, synagogues and temples pay tax to Romans, since that would (somehow) root out those who preach religion for profit and those who preach it for God.
We know Christian churches are tax exempt, so we can point out that they're not even following what their lord and saviour said to follow.

In Islam, we can't really say they're doing anything wrong according to Qur'an in fighting the infidels. They are following their religion, and because of the way Qur'an is, it may actually take longer to get over the fundamentalism than it did with Christians in the West.
If we compare their time-line, the age of their religion is still in 1400s.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
That's generally what I was getting at(not really), but, you're so much more articulate. Marry me.

Vegas?

Originally posted by Robtard
WTF, I said "ignore their idiocy", ie go about our lives. Taking away a man's right to do something (yes, even something stupid) because of threats from radicals isn't an option, imo.

Which is fine, lol. My question was"Okay, so you think thats a bad idea. Give me an alternative then".



So, you would advocate something like... just killing everything that moves there? My point is that a lot of people think thats a bad idea, and that trying a non-violent route would also be a bad idea. That... annoys me, because if people don't a violent solution, and they don't want a non-violent solution, then what the hell do they want? If your minds set on just killing everybody over there, then more power to you. At least you've got an opinion.

I'm curious about what other people think, though.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
However, Bible is said to be written BY Paul and whoever else was writing it. We could sit here and have a healthy debate as to why much of what has been written could be faulty and/or misinterpreted as the words of God.
Qu'ran is a recitation by God. Hadith would be equivalent to Bible, because it is a lot of stories and narrations written by followers of Muhammed about what he did, said, ate and the likes.
Bible and the Qur'an haven't the same status.

Jesus NEVER wrote anything, so we can point that out when debating the Bible. From what we do know, Jesus also advocated that all churches, synagogues and temples pay tax to Romans, since that would (somehow) root out those who preach religion for profit and those who preach it for God.
We know Christian churches are tax exempt, so we can point out that they're not even following what their lord and saviour said to follow.

In Islam, we can't really say they're doing anything wrong according to Qur'an in fighting the infidels. They are following their religion, and because of the way Qur'an is, it may actually take longer to get over the fundamentalism than it did with Christians in the West.
If we compare their time-line, the age of their religion is still in 1400s.


Vegas?

I still disagree, the Qur'an was written by Mohammad, he's just as fallible is writing something down wrong as was Peter. If you believe in this "God's word" business (I don't). Level of sacredness comes down to the eye of the beholder (the follower).

They're are Christians who are far more devote to Jesus-God than Muslims are to Allah (and vice-versa)

But even if we say as fact "The Qur-an is more sacred to Muslins than the Bible is to Christians", it still doesn't excuse the idiocy of the Muslims making death threats over a perceived religious slight.

Watch it, he's likely to drug, molest you, take your money and kidneys and leave you in a bathtub full of ice.

Taking organs is above my racial paygrade, intelligence wise. Drug and rape is about my level, and even then, you'd be the one secretly hiring me to do it in the first place.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Which is fine, lol. My question was"Okay, so you think thats a bad idea. Give me an alternative then".



So, you would advocate something like... just killing everything that moves there? My point is that a lot of people think thats a bad idea, and that trying a non-violent route would also be a bad idea. That... annoys me, because if people don't a violent solution, and they don't want a non-violent solution, then what the hell do they want? If your minds set on just killing everybody over there, then more power to you. At least you've got an opinion.

I'm curious about what other people think, though.

I was actually joking about the killing of parents, children, pets etc.

I am for chasing down and destroying those responsible though. Like what Israel did after their Olympic athletes were killed in Munich. Certainly be more effective and cost infinitely less than invading Iraq.

So like, what, special forces, or something?

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
So like, what, special forces, or something?

Special Forces, CIA, NSA, DOD foreign intelligence etc all working in unison. Find those responsible, assassinate them and take away their funding if possible.

Originally posted by Robtard
I still disagree, the Qur'an was written by Mohammad, he's just as fallible is writing something down wrong as was Peter. If you believe in this "God's word" business (I don't). Level of sacredness comes down to the eye of the beholder (the follower).

They're are Christians who are far more devote to Jesus-God than Muslims are to Allah (and vice-versa)

But even if we say as fact "The Qur-an is more sacred to Muslins than the Bible is to Christians", it still doesn't excuse the idiocy of the Muslims making death threats over a perceived religious slight.

Watch it, he's likely to drug, molest you, take your money and kidneys and leave you in a bathtub full of ice.

Muhammed IS the prophet not the follower of one, therefore assumed infallible.
To Muslims him being wrong goes the same as Moses having mixed up God's commandments and was wrong.

Although, it is good to point out that Muhammed didn't write anything, being illiterate. He was reciting and someone else wrote it down.

I'm not arguing at the ridiculousness of threats and numerous other Islamic practices. Neither Ramandan, no praying 5 times a day, nor the way of prayer were originally Islamic - those were Arab pagan practices, of which Muhammad was one...
I'm not defending them, but that is the reality of Islam and as long as people think it's just few random people soiling Islam as a religion, there will be problem. Reform must happen within the institution and not only within few people

Originally posted by Robtard
Special Forces, CIA, NSA, DOD foreign intelligence etc all working in unison. Find those responsible, assassinate them and take away their funding if possible.

That would work for revenge, but, do you think that that would seriously make these guys think twice? They think nothing of strapping bombs to their ballsacks and detonating them in public areas. I don't think putting out a message that says "If you kill Americans, we'll kill you back", means anything to people who think that dying in holy war is the absolute greatest honor they could ever achieve in their pathetic unworthy lives. If anything, it seems like that would just attract even more recruits.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
That would work for revenge, but, do you think that that would seriously make these guys think twice? They think nothing of strapping bombs to their ballsacks and detonating them in public areas. I don't think putting out a message that says "If you kill Americans, we'll kill you back", means anything to people who think that dying in holy war is the absolute greatest honor they could ever achieve in their pathetic unworthy lives. If anything, it seems like that would just attract even more recruits.

This is why you go after the heads, they're the ones that convince young imbeciles that killing oneself is what God wants.

I do think it would make a difference eventually as the leaders want to live, they're generally not stupid enough to go on suicide runs. Kill enough of them, they'll be fewer of them to begin with and the would be leaders will be less inclined to lead.

Yup - just watch and see what happens when they try to take Liam Neeson's daughter - they'll be sorry!

I just heard on the radio that the book burning will not be taking place.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
Yup - just watch and see what happens when they try to take Liam Neeson's daughter - they'll be sorry!

Exactly, it will be like Christmas for them, except instead of presents they get rape. Rapemas.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I just heard on the radio that the book burning will not be taking place.

See, the terrorist have just won.

George Bush Jr. was right, we take away freedoms because of threats/fear; the ter'rist win.

Originally posted by Robtard
See, the terrorist have just won.

George Bush Jr. was right, we take away freedoms because of threats/fear; the ter'rist win.

According to the radio (news), there is an agreement between this preacher and the head of the Islamic center in NY. According to what I heard, they will move the center, if they do not burn the Koran. This is hard to believe.

Originally posted by Robtard
This is why you go after the heads, they're the ones that convince young imbeciles that killing oneself is what God wants.

I do think it would make a difference eventually as the leaders want to live, they're generally not stupid enough to go on suicide runs. Kill enough of them, they'll be fewer of them to begin with and the would be leaders will be less inclined to lead.

In fact, it works the other way around - it is usually the older heads that try to remain calm, while the young hotheads act impulsively - so your idea will have exactly the opposite effect...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I just heard on the radio that the book burning will not be taking place.

Well that settles it. Freedom is dead. We should just declare sharia law now.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Well that settles it. Freedom is dead. We should just declare sharia law now.

Why do you guys keep saying that?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
According to the radio (news), there is an agreement between this preacher and the head of the Islamic center in NY. According to what I heard, they will move the center, if they do not burn the Koran. This is hard to believe.
Sounds like BS now.

Originally posted by Robtard
Sounds like BS now.

Originally posted by Robtard
See, the terrorist have just won.

George Bush Jr. was right, we take away freedoms because of threats/fear; the ter'rist win.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Why do you guys keep saying that?

1) Go to a serious news website that allows comments, Yahoo is especially good for this.
2) Find an article that uses the word any of the words "Islam", "Islamist" or "Muslim".
3) Read the comments.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
According to the radio (news), there is an agreement between this preacher and the head of the Islamic center in NY. According to what I heard, they will move the center, if they do not burn the Koran. This is hard to believe.

I heard his bank simply bailed on him due to fear the grounds would be severely vandalized by angry Muslims. If that's true its a very bad thing, no matter if you think burning the Koran is horrible or awesome.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
1) Go to a serious news website that allows comments, Yahoo is especially good for this.
2) Find an article that uses the word any of the words "Islam", "Islamist" or "Muslim".
3) Read the comments.

That has nothing to do with what I said.

So, are you saying that your commits are just as stupid as people on Yahoo?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
1) Go to a serious news website that allows comments, Yahoo is especially good for this.
2) Find an article that uses the word any of the words "Islam", "Islamist" or "Muslim".
3) Read the comments.

More than 70% of the world's population have no access to the internet - so your sample is a bit skewed...

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I heard his bank simply bailed on him due to fear the grounds would be severely vandalized by angry Muslims. If that's true its a very bad thing, no matter if you think burning the Koran is horrible or awesome.

Ok, so, maybe everyone is trying to save face. It would be wonderful if those two issues just fixed themselves.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That has nothing to do with what I said.

So, are you saying that your commits are just as stupid as people on Yahoo?

I'm explaining that there are people that really think this, especially in the West, especially in America.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I'm explaining that there are people that really think this, especially in the West, especially in America.

There are a lot of stupid people in the world. I was just giving a FYI.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Muhammed IS the prophet not the follower of one, therefore assumed infallible.
To Muslims him being wrong goes the same as Moses having mixed up God's commandments and was wrong.

Although, it is good to point out that Muhammed didn't write anything, being illiterate. He was reciting and someone else wrote it down.

I'm not arguing at the ridiculousness of threats and numerous other Islamic practices. Neither Ramandan, no praying 5 times a day, nor the way of prayer were originally Islamic - those were Arab pagan practices, of which Muhammad was one...
I'm not defending them, but that is the reality of Islam and as long as people think it's just few random people soiling Islam as a religion, there will be problem. Reform must happen within the institution and not only within few people


Conservative evangelical Christianity believes the Bible to be divinely inspired. The believe the apostles and prophets were moved to record the literal words of God...word for word.

Even extremists believe this..hence the fascination with the Bible Code.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Conservative evangelical Christianity believes the Bible to be divinely inspired. The believe the apostles and prophets were moved to record the literal words of God...word for word.

Even extremists believe this..hence the fascination with the Bible Code.
Good thing Islam didn't come to Westerners before Christianity, otherwise the whole world would have been in even more trouble than it is now. Eastern Christianity isn't anywhere near as wacked as Evangelical in USA or inquisition Catholic weirdness of the Europe...

I'm betting Middle East would have stayed Judeo-Christian had Islam gone to you first...or maybe not.

If everyone else in the world who has a Quran burns it, I really wouldn't care. I'm not burning my copy, and if anyone tries to burn it, they'll have to answer to Mr. Fisty. Burning the Quran because of 9/11 is like burning the bible on any day a bunch of Christians massacred thousands of people, and that's like every day.

Originally posted by smittyyerben
Burning the Quran because of 9/11 is like burning the bible on any day a bunch of Christians massacred thousands of people, and that's like every day.

Trolling?

Originally posted by Robtard
Trolling?

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u55/WatchOut_02/Trolling.jpg

man, listen.

if anymore islamofacists commits another full scale attack similar to 9/11 on u.s. soil i say drop an abomb right on the so called grand mosque, the masjid al-haram, right in mecca and medina, it's second holiest city. i'm not kiddin'.

i think we'd be doing them a favor because we'd bomb them up into modern civilization and outta the stone age.

i've had it with muslim offense and the u.s. pussyfooting because of it. the nations of the world must be holding their mouth agaped.

you wanna fcuk around with the most powerfullest nation in the world and kill it's citizens then you should face it's full wrath.

remember pearl harbor?

no one dared fcuked with the roman empire way way back in the day. if you killed one of it's citizens your whole villiage burned.


i hope jones does this. it's about time for the bs to stop.

fcuk an all offended muslims and 3 cheers for jones and patriotic americans.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
man, listen.

if anymore islamofacists commits another full scale attack similar to 9/11 on u.s. soil i say drop an abomb right on the so called grand mosque, the masjid al-haram, right in mecca and medina, it's second holiest city. i'm not kiddin'...

That would be foolish, and it's emotional too. Think about the consequences. You would stop the fight for now, but it would just be another failed crusade. We need to be more creative then that.

I wouldn't be opposed to nuking Arabia either, in all honesty.

So Rob. You hear about that ****ing jet plane that just crashed into San Bruno?

edit- They're actually not sure if it's a jet or not. It might be a gas station.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
So Rob. You hear about that ****ing jet plane that just crashed into San Bruno?
Google Real Time is awesome

Originally posted by Robtard
IMO, **** them, they're not special.

If Mormons have had to put up with it for 150 years (and we are relatively harmless), then Muslims shouldn't be an exception. Mormons put up with, every damn year, multiple times a year, the burning of our Book of Mormon and the burning of our sacred undergarments.

If the Qur'an and hijabs were burned, multiple times a year, around Muslim holy days, shit would hit the fan.






That said, I would love to bury my fist into the face of the a**holes that burn our book and undergarments (I would never want to kill them, though.).

Originally posted by dadudemon
If Mormons have had to put up with it for 150 years (and we are relatively harmless), then Muslims shouldn't be an exception. Mormons put up with, every damn year, multiple times a year, the burning of our Book of Mormon and the burning of our sacred undergarments.

If the Qur'an and hijabs were burned, multiple times a year, around Muslim holy days, shit would hit the fan.






That said, I would love to bury my fist into the face of the a**holes that burn our book and undergarments (I would never want to kill them, though.).
lol, and yet you guys get your book of mormon in hotel rooms while I have yet to see a Quran in one. Don't go crying that nobody accepts it.

Originally posted by King Kandy
lol, and yet you guys get your book of mormon in hotel rooms while I have yet to see a Quran in one. Don't go crying that nobody accepts it.

I have never seen a Book of Mormon in a hotel room but I usually see a Qur'an and Holy Bible.


Hooooray for anecdotes that are irrelevant! dur

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That would be foolish, and it's emotional too. Think about the consequences. You would stop the fight for now, but it would just be another failed crusade. We need to be more creative then that.

how would this stop any fight?

in fact, it escalates the fight and probably ensures that Pakistan gives nuclear material to terrorist groups...

probably the worst possible idea ever (not that you disagreed with that part)