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Just what it says on the tin.

Basiclly, both universes group up and organise in an army like team, as per teh rulez, and have at one another. The last verse with a surviving member wins.

Dragon age origins?

Sandal soloes

Isnt he a Dwarf? lol, but if its Dragon age, cant recall any truely powerful entities there. They have numbers, sure but those numbers are more or less cut up if the Dragon dies and it can only infect the one who kills him with its spirit. Ogres<Demons, Elder God>Dark Spawn armies/Brood Mother etc

Kain>the rest

Enchantment > Kain

...I don't know who to root for.

Dragon Age



Due to Sandal.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
...I don't know who to root for. debate against the person you dislike the most. That's how I start.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
...I don't know who to root for.

Root for neither.

Balance.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Root for neither.

Balance.

An excellent idea.

And Phanteros, that was the point. I dunno who I like less. BT has annoyed me for longer, but Quan is no slouch and it appears he and FA may share the same viewpoint.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
but Quan is no slouch and it appears he and FA may share the same viewpoint.

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Legacy of Kain, in an absolute stomp.

Dragon Age is not very powerful at all.

Kain could take on armies at a time, and the Elder God could probably solo the series.

Lol

I would like to point out that ScreamPaste's attempt to pit Quan and BT against eachother has failed.

Lol.

I loved DAO when I played it as well but I dont think DAO had as you said, powerful beings. Its strongest being, the Dragon was quite weak imo.

Has Quan been here yet, even? I think I can predict his arguments. He mentioned armies of tens of thousands or some shit, so I'm betting that this portrays a character more powerful than most of the entities in LoK.

Nah. tens of thousands of Darkspawn are not much better than humans tbh. Kain is all that is required in this fight.

Originally posted by Burning thought
I loved DAO when I played it as well but I dont think DAO had as you said, powerful beings. Its strongest being, the Dragon was quite weak imo. Yeah, was kind of weak for something called an Old God.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Legacy of Kain, in an absolute stomp.

Dragon Age is not very powerful at all.

Kain could take on armies at a time, and the Elder God could probably solo the series. Saying dragon age isn't very powerful at all is one of the funniest things I have ever heard.

Dragon age is one of the most powerful video games I have ever played and pitting it against any game is a tad bit unfair by all regards.

Put up or shut up, Quan. I read some small articles and I don't see much in it, myself.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Saying dragon age isn't very powerful at all is one of the funniest things I have ever heard.

Dragon age is one of the most powerful video games I have ever played and pitting it against any game is a tad bit unfair by all regards. Key word: "you played"


Raziel steals their souls.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Put up or shut up, Quan. I read some small articles and I don't see much in it, myself. What's there to put up ? There are massive armies in the game.

You see they have templars, red cliffe warriors, a few grey wardens, mages, blood mages, dark spawn, dalish, dalish alienages, dwarves, golems, werewolves, assassins, mabari(huge vicious dogs) fade demons, etc.


I mean the sheer numbers and abilities of all these forces is insane. Imagine all these mages hanging back casting spells as they send the warriors forward with Teryn Loghain directing forces along with his daughter and to make matters worse you have drakes (not fully matured dragons), ogres (members of the blight) running around just tearing things up.

Originally posted by Phanteros
Key word: "you played"


Raziel steals their souls. I played lok games as well. Raziel gets wrecked here. I mean he'd be annihilated by the blight.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I played lok games as well. Raziel gets wrecked here. I mean he'd be annihilated by the blight. How when he's immortal and can stop time or go back in time to stop the first blight. A mortal with no notable powers was able kick their asses.

Originally posted by Phanteros
How when he's immortal and can stop time or go back in time to stop the first blight. A mortal with no notable powers was able kick their asses. One mortal ? What game were you playing ? Please don't speak about games which you obviously didn't play it makes you sound ignorant. One mortal with massive help and three allies was able to best the blight which wasn't even as bad as blights have gotten in the past.

If you think one guy stood up to this army you never played through dragon age. I tire of such ignorant statements such as this while also claiming I am the one who needs to play more games when it's so obvious you didn't even play dragon age.


Raziel isn't stopping time either here. Please play these games before sticking your foot in your mouth again.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Saying dragon age isn't very powerful at all is one of the funniest things I have ever heard.

Dragon age is one of the most powerful video games I have ever played and pitting it against any game is a tad bit unfair by all regards.

Exactly how? Elaborate please. How does Dragon Age beat nearly ever video game universe? Can they dodge bullets? The MW2 Universe would kill them.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Exactly how? Elaborate please. How does Dragon Age beat nearly ever video game universe? Can they dodge bullets? The MW2 Universe would kill them. When making that statement I was comparing it to games of it's nature.

I didn't mean to compare it to games with bullets and more modernized games. I meant to compare it to games based around medieval weapons, magic, and the like.


I try not to compare games with sword wielding characters to automatic weapons. I mean you can do so but I don't like comparing the two.

Originally posted by quanchi112
One mortal ? What game were you playing ? Please don't speak about games which you obviously didn't play it makes you sound ignorant. One mortal with massive help and three allies was able to best the blight which wasn't even as bad as blights have gotten in the past.

If you think one guy stood up to this army you never played through dragon age. I tire of such ignorant statements such as this while also claiming I am the one who needs to play more games when it's so obvious you didn't even play dragon age.


Raziel isn't stopping time either here. Please play these games before sticking your foot in your mouth again. One mortal that basically killed the Dragon i.e you the feat less dragon which is the most powerful being in the universe. Everybody else had to handle the minions, that said minions that can be killed by a warden untill they finally fallen, the said peak human minions excluding the big orcs and brood mother. The last blights don't mean shit as they were never shown. and the army size present was just about 100+ up. Raziel can basically just stay in spirit realm and sneak in a kill that dragon with ease.

then there is the dealing with Elder god.

also Red Haring as I, never in this thread mention you never playing the games. rage moar?

Originally posted by Phanteros
One mortal that basically killed the Dragon i.e you the feat less dragon which is the most powerful being in the universe. Everybody else had to handle the minions, that said minions that can be killed by a warden untill they finally fallen, the said peak human minions excluding the big orcs and brood mother. The last blights don't mean shit as they were never shown. and the army size present was just about 100+ up. Raziel can basically just stay in spirit realm and sneak in a kill that dragon with ease.

then there is the dealing with Elder god.

also Red Haring as I, never in this thread mention you never playing the games. rage moar? One mortal who killed the archdemon ? What ? First off it's not one on one ever in the last part of the game. A warden has to kill the archdemon because otherwise the archdemon won't die so you're wrong yet again. It's like saying I had three allies and then dismissing their help and saying it's one on one. You can also call in armies and the archdemon will slaughter them while taking you and your three allies on while also calling in his generals if they exist and darkspawn.


Yeah one on one Riordan cut the crap out of the archdemon and it didn't really do any damage at all.



When Raziel made his move against the archdemon he'd get crushed. It would be a noncontest.
The eg is going to be overwhelmed. Too many armies and massive ones to overcome.

Originally posted by quanchi112
One mortal who killed the archdemon ? What ? First off it's not one on one ever in the last part of the game. A warden has to kill the archdemon because otherwise the archdemon won't die so you're wrong yet again. It's like saying I had three allies and then dismissing their help and saying it's one on one. You can also call in armies and the archdemon will slaughter them while taking you and your three allies on while also calling in his generals if they exist and darkspawn.


Yeah one on one Riordan cut the crap out of the archdemon and it didn't really do any damage at all.



When Raziel made his move against the archdemon he'd get crushed. It would be a noncontest.
The eg is going to be overwhelmed. Too many armies and massive ones to overcome. My point still remains that a mortal can kill it. in my campaign no one died as much because I use the siege weapons on it. and if you are on a high level you can take him one by yourself. gameplay.

Riordan is a human with warden abilities and a normal sword. Raziel is a wraith that can not die, teleport, and Has a blade that can hurt the EG and still souls. big difference

When Raziel makes his move he TK all the debris at the Archdemon and do his Archdemon's weak durablity he will be taken down. and if he needs the warden's ability, he will kill one and take it. No one will be even able to see the EG unless they are purified. And lets not forget the Vampire clans that inherit their respective leaders abilities only on a less gran scale.

Originally posted by Phanteros
My point still remains that a mortal can kill it. in my campaign no one died as much because I use the siege weapons on it. and if you are on a high level you can take him one by yourself. gameplay.

Riordan is a human with warden abilities and a normal sword. Raziel is a wraith that can not die, teleport, and Has a blade that can hurt the EG and still souls. big difference

When Raziel makes his move he TK all the debris at the Archdemon and do his Archdemon's weak durablity he will be taken down. and if he needs the warden's ability, he will kill one and take it. No one will be even able to see the EG unless they are purified. And lets not forget the Vampire clans that inherit their respective leaders abilities only on a less gran scale. A mortal can with help. If you take it on by yourself with just your abilities you will get crushed.

These are very powerful mortals anyways and a mortal can kill raziel as well so what's your point.

Raziel can't hurt the eg he cannpt even glaze him. Him combining with kain's sword that can hurt him. Riordan is a warden highly skilled and yes the sword cut him and is normal but it didn't injure him at all. So what's your point ?

No way. His tk won't do crap to a being of such size and power. He'll kill Raziel rather quickly. A few flame bursts and if he's in real trouble here comes his generals and the troops. he can also fly away temporarily.

In a thread like this you have to be able to see the eg just as you have to be able to ko;; the archdemon without being a grey warden. You have to leave in game bs out of the thread to make it fair.

I understand that but in lok humans under the right leadership eliminated all but Kain himself so let's not act like mere mortals are as useless as you claim. Even in lok they wreck shop in numbers.

Te combined armies are not as large as your bringing up. The Darkspawn maybe but throughout DAO the humans were on their back foot throughout, and when they did come together their army was trivial yet they still managed to put up a very good fight agaisnt the Darkspawn in the beginning of the game, if it was not becuse of Logain (Simon templeman played the voice of this guy as well didnt he?) holding back his forces, he would have done devasating damage to the lot of them.

And Raziel could easily kill the Dragon, canonically the majority of the greater Darpspawn including the dragon were killed by a few Grey Wardens which if you want to compare to Raziel then youve not played LoK enough, their not much better than humans. Raziel would rip the Dragons head off with a hand.

Lok armies would arguably be larger, youve got the human race in the form of the Sarafan, vampire hunters and later the higher tech humans in SR who had flamethrowers and hand canons...so their tech and possibly numbers are superior. Their armies are more disciplined, sure youve got a few generals on the DAO side but how do they compare to ancient vampire generals whove had experiance thousands years their senior?

Then the vampire armies, in BO, BO2 and pre-eras their superior to humans by far in statistics, have mental, magcial and physical prowess that is mountanous in their advantage and in the SR era? dont get me started, even the fledlings can trade blows with Raziel and their resistance to his hundred tonnes of strength (multiplied by claws) force him to find other ways to truly kill them. An army of them lead by Kain and his sons.....DAO would be a joke.

Hell, its a joke with just Kain on the battlefield, throwing their armies at kain? they may as well order them to jump off a cliff.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When making that statement I was comparing it to games of it's nature.

I didn't mean to compare it to games with bullets and more modernized games. I meant to compare it to games based around medieval weapons, magic, and the like.


Elder Scrolls, Diablo, and Warcraft come to mind. Might & Magic at least partially qualifies as well.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I would like to point out that ScreamPaste's attempt to pit Quan and BT against eachother has failed.

Lol. Can't hear you over the overwhelming success.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
The MW2 Universe would kill them.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Saying dragon age isn't very powerful at all is one of the funniest things I have ever heard.

Dragon age is one of the most powerful video games I have ever played and pitting it against any game is a tad bit unfair by all regards. It's not.

Lol. You have not played many videogames then, Fable is a more powerful verse than Dragon Age.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Elder Scrolls, Diablo, and Warcraft come to mind. Might & Magic at least partially qualifies as well. Wow seems powerful and don't play pc games and it's strictly pc. I mean to play elder scrolls in the future. Diablo is another game I have never played.


Originally posted by NemeBro
It's not.

Lol. You have not played many videogames then, Fable is a more powerful verse than Dragon Age. Never said I did. It is more powerful out of all the games I have played which includes fable and loz. They'd annihilate fable. The only advantage fable has is guns and that wouldn't give them the nod.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Wow seems powerful and don't play pc games and it's strictly pc. I mean to play elder scrolls in the future. Diablo is another game I have never played.


Never said I did. It is more powerful out of all the games I have played which includes fable and loz. They'd annihilate fable. The only advantage fable has is guns and that wouldn't give them the nod. Warcraft, Diablo, and Elder Scrolls has characters who could annihilate the Dragon Age verse without any effort at all.

Fable would crush Dragon Age with the greatest of ease. The Court alone would be able to destroy all of Fereldan.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Te combined armies are not as large as your bringing up. The Darkspawn maybe but throughout DAO the humans were on their back foot throughout, and when they did come together their army was trivial yet they still managed to put up a very good fight agaisnt the Darkspawn in the beginning of the game, if it was not becuse of Logain (Simon templeman played the voice of this guy as well didnt he?) holding back his forces, he would have done devasating damage to the lot of them.

And Raziel could easily kill the Dragon, canonically the majority of the greater Darpspawn including the dragon were killed by a few Grey Wardens which if you want to compare to Raziel then youve not played LoK enough, their not much better than humans. Raziel would rip the Dragons head off with a hand.

Lok armies would arguably be larger, youve got the human race in the form of the Sarafan, vampire hunters and later the higher tech humans in SR who had flamethrowers and hand canons...so their tech and possibly numbers are superior. Their armies are more disciplined, sure youve got a few generals on the DAO side but how do they compare to ancient vampire generals whove had experiance thousands years their senior?

Then the vampire armies, in BO, BO2 and pre-eras their superior to humans by far in statistics, have mental, magcial and physical prowess that is mountanous in their advantage and in the SR era? dont get me started, even the fledlings can trade blows with Raziel and their resistance to his hundred tonnes of strength (multiplied by claws) force him to find other ways to truly kill them. An army of them lead by Kain and his sons.....DAO would be a joke.

Hell, its a joke with just Kain on the battlefield, throwing their armies at kain? they may as well order them to jump off a cliff. Time for your lesson then.


The reason they would have beaten the darkspawn then was simply because there was no archdemon present. When you give the darkspawn leadership they become a totally different animal than when they don't have direction.


Raziel is the same guy who gets tossed around like a toddler by Kain. Raziel is the same guy who failed against a possessed Hylden Lord Janos because he lacks the stomach to get what needs to be done.


Raziel would be absolutely demolished by the archdemon. The archdemon takes on armies while raziel has his hands full with single foes he isn't capable of dismantling huge armies while taking on the four party members you choose to battle against him.


Their armies aren't bigger by any stretch of the imagination. I mean look at the pathetic resistance offered by vorador and the cabal in part 2. They'd be mincemeat and their leadership is pathetic.

The only two major threats are the eg and Kain. Too much for these two to overcome.

Loghain, Arl Eamon, Greagoir, and Harrowmont/Bhelen, Witherfang,Uldred, Swiftrunner, Zathrian are just too much. You had loads of experience on this side as well maybe not as much as the thousands of Kain but it's just too much for him to overcome.


They could create masses upon masses of golems, werewolves, possessed mages through Uldred's guidance and this becomes drastically unfair.

Throw in the vampires weaknesses to water and they literally get routed.


I mean if the human beings could crush the vampires from this game mages, werewolves, golems, darkspawn, archdemon, templars, warriors, rogues, dalish, blood mages, fade demons, blight wolves and assassin groups all along with huge glaring exploitable weaknesses and this is just plain unfair.

Lok is mighty indeed but dragon age would eat them for breakfast. Kain goes down in glorious fashion.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Warcraft, Diablo, and Elder Scrolls has characters who could annihilate the Dragon Age verse without any effort at all.

Fable would crush Dragon Age with the greatest of ease. The Court alone would be able to destroy all of Fereldan. Originally posted by NemeBro
Warcraft, Diablo, and Elder Scrolls has characters who could annihilate the Dragon Age verse without any effort at all.

Fable would crush Dragon Age with the greatest of ease. The Court alone would be able to destroy all of Fereldan. I just told you I didn't play those games so why even bring them up.

Fable's heroes were crushed by a band of humans said by you. I mean come on man your own words turned against you.


The sheer forces they'd amass against fable would actually terrify the fable universe. If a guy with a pistol and the ability to make you sleep can dominate the fable verse the darkspawn would rape fable.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I just told you I didn't play those games so why even bring them up.

Fable's heroes were crushed by a band of humans said by you. I mean come on man your own words turned against you.


The sheer forces they'd amass against fable would actually terrify the fable universe. If a guy with a pistol and the ability to make you sleep can dominate the fable verse the darkspawn would rape fable. I didn't bring up the humans did I?

Oh and those humans had guns. Which would absolutely tip the scales in Fable's favor.

It matters not, the combined power of the Court allowed them to drive an entire country insane, raise seas into the sky and create country-wide floods, and burn Albion black.

William Black and the Queen of Blades when fighting created mountains and flattened them to make valleys.

Fable is far more powerful.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Te combined armies are not as large as your bringing up. The Darkspawn maybe but throughout DAO the humans were on their back foot throughout, and when they did come together their army was trivial yet they still managed to put up a very good fight agaisnt the Darkspawn in the beginning of the game, if it was not becuse of Logain (Simon templeman played the voice of this guy as well didnt he?) holding back his forces, he would have done devasating damage to the lot of them.

And Raziel could easily kill the Dragon, canonically the majority of the greater Darpspawn including the dragon were killed by a few Grey Wardens which if you want to compare to Raziel then youve not played LoK enough, their not much better than humans. Raziel would rip the Dragons head off with a hand.

Lok armies would arguably be larger, youve got the human race in the form of the Sarafan, vampire hunters and later the higher tech humans in SR who had flamethrowers and hand canons...so their tech and possibly numbers are superior. Their armies are more disciplined, sure youve got a few generals on the DAO side but how do they compare to ancient vampire generals whove had experiance thousands years their senior?

Then the vampire armies, in BO, BO2 and pre-eras their superior to humans by far in statistics, have mental, magcial and physical prowess that is mountanous in their advantage and in the SR era? dont get me started, even the fledlings can trade blows with Raziel and their resistance to his hundred tonnes of strength (multiplied by claws) force him to find other ways to truly kill them. An army of them lead by Kain and his sons.....DAO would be a joke.

Hell, its a joke with just Kain on the battlefield, throwing their armies at kain? they may as well order them to jump off a cliff.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Time for your lesson then.

laughcry

Scream you're a god damned fool, and I love you.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I didn't bring up the humans did I?

Oh and those humans had guns. Which would absolutely tip the scales in Fable's favor.

It matters not, the combined power of the Court allowed them to drive an entire country insane, raise seas into the sky and create country-wide floods, and burn Albion black.

William Black and the Queen of Blades when fighting created mountains and flattened them to make valleys.

Fable is far more powerful. You brought up the guild going down like nothing to a mere mob. That's not overtly impressive compared to how long the guild thrived in the fable verse.

An arrow will hurt you just like a gun and mages galore. The sheer darkspawn would be enough to crush these gun wielding english gents.

Hyperbole won't win you this argument. With what we literally see in the game fable gets routed. I think you could combine fable 1 and 2 and they still get crushed.

Not at all. You like fable more but come on look at the heroes and that in fable their abilities and the massive armies in dragon age and the demons and their powers. This would be a route.


I'd even venture to say fable 1+2+tp all together go down. That's how lopsided it is.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I'd even venture to say fable 1+2+tp all together go down. That's how lopsided it is.

Don't bring up Zelda. For the love of God, don't.

From what I'm reading, probably LoK.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You brought up the guild going down like nothing to a mere mob. That's not overtly impressive compared to how long the guild thrived in the fable verse.

An arrow will hurt you just like a gun and mages galore. The sheer darkspawn would be enough to crush these gun wielding english gents.

Hyperbole won't win you this argument. With what we literally see in the game fable gets routed. I think you could combine fable 1 and 2 and they still get crushed.

Not at all. You like fable more but come on look at the heroes and that in fable their abilities and the massive armies in dragon age and the demons and their powers. This would be a route.


I'd even venture to say fable 1+2+tp all together go down. That's how lopsided it is. I did not mention the Guild. And yes a mob of citizens with guns was enough tot ake it down. Which is much more dangerous than a mob of weak-ass Darkspawn.

No, just no. Guns>>>>>>>>Arrows, there is a reason we do not use them anymore. Keep in mind that that was just one village, a bunch of guys with guns would crush the Darkspawn threat.

Absolutely none of what I said was hyperbole, the powers of the Court were directly stated, and they alone would be enough to CRUSH the Darkspawn threat. They were able to do what every Blight never has. Jack of Blades alone would crush the Darkspawn horde and kill the Archdemon, to say nothing of the piss weak humans.

Massive armies? The Darkspawn are the only massive army... And they were defeated by a much smaller force. Also, not really sure I like Fable more, and please stop trying to accuse me of bias, the only reason you are on this Dragon Age rant is because you really liked the game. It's a good game, just not a particularly power series, hell, it is not even the most powerful series Bioware has put out.

Ganondorf alone would crush all of Fereldan under his boot. As would Jack, or William Black with the Sword of Aeons, Dragon Age is weak.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
laughcry

Scream you're a god damned fool, and I love you. <3

I might be a fool, but this thread promises lulz.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Don't bring up Zelda. For the love of God, don't.

From what I'm reading, probably LoK. I should make that thread since this thread was created to pit me against bt. Originally posted by NemeBro
I did not mention the Guild. And yes a mob of citizens with guns was enough tot ake it down. Which is much more dangerous than a mob of weak-ass Darkspawn.

No, just no. Guns>>>>>>>>Arrows, there is a reason we do not use them anymore. Keep in mind that that was just one village, a bunch of guys with guns would crush the Darkspawn threat.

Absolutely none of what I said was hyperbole, the powers of the Court were directly stated, and they alone would be enough to CRUSH the Darkspawn threat. They were able to do what every Blight never has. Jack of Blades alone would crush the Darkspawn horde and kill the Archdemon, to say nothing of the piss weak humans.

Massive armies? The Darkspawn are the only massive army... And they were defeated by a much smaller force. Also, not really sure I like Fable more, and please stop trying to accuse me of bias, the only reason you are on this Dragon Age rant is because you really liked the game. It's a good game, just not a particularly power series, hell, it is not even the most powerful series Bioware has put out.

Ganondorf alone would crush all of Fereldan under his boot. As would Jack, or William Black with the Sword of Aeons, Dragon Age is weak. Weak ass darkspawn compared to a mob of angry english gentlemen. Ha. That's hysterical. I mean truly funny since we see how these characters are portrayed in fable 2 and for the most part we don't see anyone even remotely powerful at all.

Arrows kill and guns kill. Guns have the advantage but dragon age has them outnumbered like 20-1 minimum. They also have emissaries and mages who can hang back do damage and heal. Whoops.

We saw how these characters were portrayed in the game and we see nothing to even suggest any of these characters were anywhere near as fearsome as hyperbole with no direct proof of anything which directly happens on panel. That's like saying Jakc is unbeatable with the aeon sword and we see him get beaten right after he possesses it.

Jack of blades would get routed by the archdemon. The archdemon can take on armies while 4 characters in your party and hold it's own. When it gets intro trouble here comes the blight and his two generals. Poor jack of blades looks like the mask is getting destroyed this time.

The darkspawn were met by templars, dalish, redcliffe, dwarves, etc. and would have eventually won if not for taking out the archdemon. That's the whole point they cannot win unless they take out the archdemon because despite all these mini armies linking up they still cannot beat the darkspawn unless you take out the leader.

No, the reason is because the game was really, really powerful. I mean fable you yourself tried destroying claiming the guild is weak, just a few heroes and jack of blades to contend with.

Just for fun let me name some characters that'd rape all fable characters in no time flat. I mean the major characters not the entire armies.

Swiftrunner, Gatekeeper, Witherfang, Jarvia, Bhelen, Allistair, Wynne, Morgana, Sloth Demon, Desire Demon, Mabari, Duncan, Riordan, Teryn Loghain, Uldred, Archdemon, 2 darkspawn generals, Greagoir, Irving, Jowan, Tevinter Blood Mage, Sten, Zevran, Ogres, etc.

I mean this is just off the top of my head I mean at least name these supposed fable badasses and when we talk about the powers at these characters disposal and all the different sort of magic and enchantable powers it's a lopsided victory here.


No one in fable was as great of a military leader by any regards comparable to Teryn Loghain.

See when you say silly things like ganondorf when he'd get annihilated by just an army of darkspawn it makes you look bad.

Ganondorf can't even beat sages or a youn gchild with little to no experience. These are games with actual men, years of experience and massive armies just to eeek out a win not some kid with a horse and a sword. Please be serious for once in a while.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Wow seems powerful and don't play pc games and it's strictly pc. I mean to play elder scrolls in the future. Diablo is another game I have never played.

Warcraft, Oblivion and Diablo would absolutely rape Dragon Age, yes also by themselves.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Time for your lesson then.


The reason they would have beaten the darkspawn then was simply because there was no archdemon present. When you give the darkspawn leadership they become a totally different animal than when they don't have direction.


Raziel is the same guy who gets tossed around like a toddler by Kain. Raziel is the same guy who failed against a possessed Hylden Lord Janos because he lacks the stomach to get what needs to be done.


Raziel would be absolutely demolished by the archdemon. The archdemon takes on armies while raziel has his hands full with single foes he isn't capable of dismantling huge armies while taking on the four party members you choose to battle against him.


Their armies aren't bigger by any stretch of the imagination. I mean look at the pathetic resistance offered by vorador and the cabal in part 2. They'd be mincemeat and their leadership is pathetic.

The only two major threats are the eg and Kain. Too much for these two to overcome.

Loghain, Arl Eamon, Greagoir, and Harrowmont/Bhelen, Witherfang,Uldred, Swiftrunner, Zathrian are just too much. You had loads of experience on this side as well maybe not as much as the thousands of Kain but it's just too much for him to overcome.


They could create masses upon masses of golems, werewolves, possessed mages through Uldred's guidance and this becomes drastically unfair.

Throw in the vampires weaknesses to water and they literally get routed.


I mean if the human beings could crush the vampires from this game mages, werewolves, golems, darkspawn, archdemon, templars, warriors, rogues, dalish, blood mages, fade demons, blight wolves and assassin groups all along with huge glaring exploitable weaknesses and this is just plain unfair.

Lok is mighty indeed but dragon age would eat them for breakfast. Kain goes down in glorious fashion.

Archdemon is useless, its not tactical or clever and its armies fell before the human remnants at the end of the game even with it present.

Kain would od the same to the Archdemon. Raziel would solo armies, the Archdemon could not without hit and run tactics through flight, as soon as it landed it was killed.

The cabal is the weakest and smallest vampiric organisation in the games iirc, Kain has his entire evolved race present in SR. Hell, one Dumahim fledling could arguably kill the armis of DAO.


you listed weak, almost featless humans who would be killed by Sarafan soldiers, let alone vampires.


No they cant, those things dont get created out of thin air, Werewolves were specific and possessed mages are weaker than LoK usual wizards, let alone the circle who can warp life, death and space.

Hardly even a weakness, LoK is more technologically advanced, magically advanced, more nuimerous and so far physically superior that DAO has no chance.

Humans/Vampire hunters could beat the scattered tribes of vampires from BO era, thats it.....in the SR era, the weakest vampires force Raziel to find other less physical ways of killing them and humans are nothing but a joke/fun for vampiric children. (humans who use higher tech weapons than DAO.).

Originally posted by quanchi112
Swiftrunner, Gatekeeper, Witherfang, Jarvia, Bhelen, Allistair, Wynne, Morgana, Sloth Demon, Desire Demon, Mabari, Duncan, Riordan, Teryn Loghain, Uldred, Archdemon, 2 darkspawn generals, Greagoir, Irving, Jowan, Tevinter Blood Mage, Sten, Zevran, Ogres, etc.

No.

Just, no.

Please, never make an idiotic statement like this ever again

Originally posted by quanchi112
Swiftrunner, Gatekeeper, Witherfang, Jarvia, Bhelen, Allistair, Wynne, Morgana, Sloth Demon, Desire Demon, Mabari, Duncan, Riordan, Teryn Loghain, Uldred, Archdemon, 2 darkspawn generals, Greagoir, Irving, Jowan, Tevinter Blood Mage, Sten, Zevran, Ogres, etc. Wut?

... What? haermm

There is... NO WAY, you can be serious. haermm

I'll give you some characters on there are legit fairly powerful, but...

You think that friggin JOWAN could rape ANY Fable character!?

I am sorry, but I can now never take anything you will ever say seriously again.

You did before?

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
You did before? Stfu

Originally posted by quanchi112
I should make that thread since this thread was created to pit me against bt.

Well you were responsible for the LoK vs LoZ thread that no one liked. Granted, they should have just left well enough alone but too late now I guess.

I'm disappointed that Quan never responded to this.

I guess that means that BT really is our top debater.

Maybe he gathered his senses and realises a bunch of humans/GW's that he listed are not as powerful or as impressive as he would like to belive.

****ing JOWAN!

Did not Jowan himself say he sucks?

LOL Jowan. Quan show just stay out of this thread.

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Did not Jowan himself say he sucks? YES.

Looking at his list again, he put Jarvia.

Lol Jarvia.

Bhelen's just as hilarious.

Bhelen is kind of manly though.

Also, I like Jowan. He should have been a recruitable character.

Indeed

Originally posted by NemeBro
Bhelen is kind of manly though.

Also, I like Jowan. He should have been a recruitable character.

It was in their plans but they dropped it.

Yeah I know.

So who is making tthe "Dragonage vs LoZ" thread?

Originally posted by Utrigita
Warcraft, Oblivion and Diablo would absolutely rape Dragon Age, yes also by themselves. I already told you I never played these games so please don't ever bring up games I obviously already stated I have no knowledge of. Originally posted by FinalAnswer
No.

Just, no.

Please, never make an idiotic statement like this ever again If you read my statement I stated as a unit against fable characters as a unit and yes it'd be rape. Fable while strong is not in dragon age's league.



Originally posted by NemeBro
Wut?

... What? haermm

There is... NO WAY, you can be serious. haermm

I'll give you some characters on there are legit fairly powerful, but...

You think that friggin JOWAN could rape ANY Fable character!?

I am sorry, but I can now never take anything you will ever say seriously again. You attempt to mock me and cannot even correctly comprehend my original statement. Figures.


Ps. I never took anything you ever said seriously.

Originally posted by Phanteros
LOL Jowan. Quan show just stay out of this thread. Another poster trying to be humorous who cannot read and understand simple statements.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Well you were responsible for the LoK vs LoZ thread that no one liked. Granted, they should have just left well enough alone but too late now I guess. That's when I was brand spanking new here. I could care less for nerd popularity about fantasy topics. I mean come on.

So what do you revert to when calling people a nerd doesn't insult them?

It is not the topics you create that make you "unpopular."

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Did not Jowan himself say he sucks? Yeah because jowan didn't take gregoir out and the first enchanter by himself. I mean play the game before you put your foot in your mouth. The ignorance in this thread is astounding.Originally posted by Burning thought
Archdemon is useless, its not tactical or clever and its armies fell before the human remnants at the end of the game even with it present.

Kain would od the same to the Archdemon. Raziel would solo armies, the Archdemon could not without hit and run tactics through flight, as soon as it landed it was killed.

The cabal is the weakest and smallest vampiric organisation in the games iirc, Kain has his entire evolved race present in SR. Hell, one Dumahim fledling could arguably kill the armis of DAO.


you listed weak, almost featless humans who would be killed by Sarafan soldiers, let alone vampires.


No they cant, those things dont get created out of thin air, Werewolves were specific and possessed mages are weaker than LoK usual wizards, let alone the circle who can warp life, death and space.

Hardly even a weakness, LoK is more technologically advanced, magically advanced, more nuimerous and so far physically superior that DAO has no chance.

Humans/Vampire hunters could beat the scattered tribes of vampires from BO era, thats it.....in the SR era, the weakest vampires force Raziel to find other less physical ways of killing them and humans are nothing but a joke/fun for vampiric children. (humans who use higher tech weapons than DAO.). Archdemon is useless ?


LOL get back to me when Kain ever takes on any army. I mean you force me to do this but he was all but usless against Nemesis. He had to turn tail and avoid it because he can't take on armies nor could he ever. Archdemon mows em down. Most of the debaters on here let fanboyism take them to new levels of insanity with claims like ganondorf or Kain can solo armies when playing the games they aren't even remotely portrayed like this by any stretch of the imagination.

Name me a single army Raziel has ever soloed. The guy gets tossed around like a ragdoll from Kain the guy who fled from the Nemesis. I mean vampires were annihilated by Moebius' careful timestreaming and his manipulations of Kain originally.


I mean if you take into considerations their obvious weaknesses this isn't even a contest on any levels. There are oodles and oodles of emissaries, ogres, shrieks, mages, templars werewolves, golems who'd turn Raziel into a meaningless spirit. Then toss in fade demons with power backing them and the turn him into their personal p.o.w.

You never played dragon age nor do most on here understand the sheer capabilities of what a single broodmother is capable of let alone all these forces holding hands and curbing nosgoth.

Saying these guys can solo armies isn't the same thing as proving it. I played the games these guys are hard pressed to take on a handful of characters and have never ever been portrayed as soloing armies hence all the timestreaming and careful planning by every side to achieve their goals.


Sarafan soldiers are somewhat ok but stacking them against these combined forces and they go down in flames. The sarafan were never that formidable so don't you dare even think to compare them against ferelden's finest.

Ho ware they weaker than lok wizards ? You need to cite examples your debating consists of unbacked claims. It's something you do and do often make a random claim you cannot support and then follow it up with another claim you cannot back up. It's pisspoor debating start citing actual reasons you believe this to be so and we can go from there.

So water is hardly a weakness ? Are you kidding me ? Are you serious with this ?

How are they more advanced ? Cite examples please just not more random sentences as proof.

The reason humans won is because the vampires were scattered and lacked the leadership and numbers to do anything about it. Kain provided the necessary leadership and strategy with his powers to get the job done with his generals.

He's bitten off more than he can chew here by a country mile.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
So what do you revert to when calling people a nerd doesn't insult them? This is nerd stuff it always has been. I revel in it but it is what it is. I lump myself in with being a nerd for even arguing something so irrelevant to the real world. My point was while I do enjoy arguing it nerd majority means nothing to me. I argue because I enjoy it I don't come here to make online friends.

Originally posted by NemeBro
It is not the topics you create that make you "unpopular." Care to argue against my points ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Archdemon is useless ?


LOL get back to me when Kain ever takes on any army. I mean you force me to do this but he was all but usless against Nemesis. He had to turn tail and avoid it because he can't take on armies nor could he ever. Archdemon mows em down. Most of the debaters on here let fanboyism take them to new levels of insanity with claims like ganondorf or Kain can solo armies when playing the games they aren't even remotely portrayed like this by any stretch of the imagination.

Name me a single army Raziel has ever soloed. The guy gets tossed around like a ragdoll from Kain the guy who fled from the Nemesis. I mean vampires were annihilated by Moebius' careful timestreaming and his manipulations of Kain originally.


I mean if you take into considerations their obvious weaknesses this isn't even a contest on any levels. There are oodles and oodles of emissaries, ogres, shrieks, mages, templars werewolves, golems who'd turn Raziel into a meaningless spirit. Then toss in fade demons with power backing them and the turn him into their personal p.o.w.

You never played dragon age nor do most on here understand the sheer capabilities of what a single broodmother is capable of let alone all these forces holding hands and curbing nosgoth.

Saying these guys can solo armies isn't the same thing as proving it. I played the games these guys are hard pressed to take on a handful of characters and have never ever been portrayed as soloing armies hence all the timestreaming and careful planning by every side to achieve their goals.


Sarafan soldiers are somewhat ok but stacking them against these combined forces and they go down in flames. The sarafan were never that formidable so don't you dare even think to compare them against ferelden's finest.

Ho ware they weaker than lok wizards ? You need to cite examples your debating consists of unbacked claims. It's something you do and do often make a random claim you cannot support and then follow it up with another claim you cannot back up. It's pisspoor debating start citing actual reasons you believe this to be so and we can go from there.

So water is hardly a weakness ? Are you kidding me ? Are you serious with this ?

How are they more advanced ? Cite examples please just not more random sentences as proof.

The reason humans won is because the vampires were scattered and lacked the leadership and numbers to do anything about it. Kain provided the necessary leadership and strategy with his powers to get the job done with his generals.

He's bitten off more than he can chew here by a country mile.


Yes, its one of the weaker dragons I have known in fiction. Its powers are lowly and its not much better than a normal fire breather.

Nemesis, the guy from years back when Kain was only just getting his powers. This is not the same Kain, were talking about Elder Kain who himself has the phrase "as long as a single one of us stands, we are a legion". Also this is not a comic book, your "portrays" does not deny the fact both of them "could" quite easily kill as many human beings with swords as they like, billions if need be because the armies in Dragonage are just that, men with swords. Lets use an example you may understand, lets just suppose for a second that Thanos with the infinity gauntlet "never" defeated any armies but instead, wiped out a universe and displayed godlike reality warping, would you still claim he cant take on an army just because he never did?

I said Raziel can solo an army easily, not that he could and the Darkspawn or their dragon have never "solo" an army. No, not the guy who fled from the Nemesis, check your chronology because when he threw Raziel he was elder. not tat being thrown has any connection to this conversation, anyone light enough can be thrown.

Vampires compared to the things you listed may as well have no weaknesses, nobodies submerging them and their stronger than anything apart from maybe Ogres.

Ha!, I have indeed played it, and completed it several times but if so, youve never played a single loK game becase you have no idea what their capable of. The Broodmother was an overly fat beast that could hardly move.

Never that formidable? your talking about the vampire hunters/killers, vampires who are each vastly more powerful than any Darkspawn, including ogres. Fereldens "finest" as you call them are nothing but soldiers, human men with arguably less equipment, ability and training in general. Not to mension Sarafan have fanatism on their side.

You talk a lot about unbacked claims hypocrite. Although despite your ignorence and cheek, ill point some out. The circle of mages, each one of them has vast resovoirs of power but when a few of them get together they create reality warping, region sized changes in state and can bend even space to their whim. Also most vampires have shown more powers, teleporting lightning, flaying from the bone (Vorador). Janos hylden lord have teleportion and lightning and Kain has a vast number of powers. Even the lowly Sarafan priestesses can create shields, energy and heal.

No its not a weakness, certainly not here.

Oh i dont know, maybe because they have guns, e.g. a cannon small enough to carry, flamethrowers and in the case of Blood omen 2, the Sarafan had Hylden magic in the form of technology, e.g. Glyph weapons/shields.

http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/az/_images/_small/DemonHunters_2.jpg

If you look at the armour, they even wear heavier amounts of it than most entities in Ferelden.

More than he can chew? with the minor vampires at his disposal he has all but destroyed the far more advanced human forces than DAO even has, and more advanced than Darkspawn who are perhaps even more primitive. In this thread, Kain along with other generals with centuries more experiacne and more feats of cunning at his side which will make DAO tactics vs LoK alike to a 4 year old novice vs a chessmaster. Not to mension the vaster, and more powerful forces Lok has.

Oh, and the Elder God. Who solos.

I may as well stop making this complicated, argue how their oging to defeat the Elder God or Kain on their own? lets forget their armies, they dont need them. A vast continent spanning, interdimentional invisible entity who excists in all times at once OR Kain who has more than enough powers to decimte the Dragon and its darpspawn while making a new generation of vampires with your "fereldens finest"

Originally posted by Burning thought
Yes, its one of the weaker dragons I have known in fiction. Its powers are lowly and its not much better than a normal fire breather.

Nemesis, the guy from years back when Kain was only just getting his powers. This is not the same Kain, were talking about Elder Kain who himself has the phrase "as long as a single one of us stands, we are a legion". Also this is not a comic book, your "portrays" does not deny the fact both of them "could" quite easily kill as many human beings with swords as they like, billions if need be because the armies in Dragonage are just that, men with swords. Lets use an example you may understand, lets just suppose for a second that Thanos with the infinity gauntlet "never" defeated any armies but instead, wiped out a universe and displayed godlike reality warping, would you still claim he cant take on an army just because he never did?

I said Raziel can solo an army easily, not that he could and the Darkspawn or their dragon have never "solo" an army. No, not the guy who fled from the Nemesis, check your chronology because when he threw Raziel he was elder. not tat being thrown has any connection to this conversation, anyone light enough can be thrown.

Vampires compared to the things you listed may as well have no weaknesses, nobodies submerging them and their stronger than anything apart from maybe Ogres.

Ha!, I have indeed played it, and completed it several times but if so, youve never played a single loK game becase you have no idea what their capable of. The Broodmother was an overly fat beast that could hardly move.

Never that formidable? your talking about the vampire hunters/killers, vampires who are each vastly more powerful than any Darkspawn, including ogres. Fereldens "finest" as you call them are nothing but soldiers, human men with arguably less equipment, ability and training in general. Not to mension Sarafan have fanatism on their side.

You talk a lot about unbacked claims hypocrite. Although despite your ignorence and cheek, ill point some out. The circle of mages, each one of them has vast resovoirs of power but when a few of them get together they create reality warping, region sized changes in state and can bend even space to their whim. Also most vampires have shown more powers, teleporting lightning, flaying from the bone (Vorador). Janos hylden lord have teleportion and lightning and Kain has a vast number of powers. Even the lowly Sarafan priestesses can create shields, energy and heal.

No its not a weakness, certainly not here.

Oh i dont know, maybe because they have guns, e.g. a cannon small enough to carry, flamethrowers and in the case of Blood omen 2, the Sarafan had Hylden magic in the form of technology, e.g. Glyph weapons/shields.

http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/az/_images/_small/DemonHunters_2.jpg

If you look at the armour, they even wear heavier amounts of it than most entities in Ferelden.

More than he can chew? with the minor vampires at his disposal he has all but destroyed the far more advanced human forces than DAO even has, and more advanced than Darkspawn who are perhaps even more primitive. In this thread, Kain along with other generals with centuries more experiacne and more feats of cunning at his side which will make DAO tactics vs LoK alike to a 4 year old novice vs a chessmaster. Not to mension the vaster, and more powerful forces Lok has.

Oh, and the Elder God. Who solos.

I may as well stop making this complicated, argue how their oging to defeat the Elder God or Kain on their own? lets forget their armies, they dont need them. A vast continent spanning, interdimentional invisible entity who excists in all times at once OR Kain who has more than enough powers to decimte the Dragon and its darpspawn while making a new generation of vampires with your "fereldens finest" How is it one of the weaker dragons in fiction ? Give me reasons why because from games I have played with dragons in them it goes to the top of the list. You fight it with 4 party members, have a ballista to fire at it, and have mini armies to take heat of your party while you engage it so I don't see how anyone could claim weak at all from playing against this dragon or from the cinema who dominates elven warriors and takes Riordan's desperate actions of a sword ripping through it's flesh like a mosquito bite.

It makes no difference Kain still had powers back then but was never powerful enough to take on an army, ever. When he took on the Hylden Lord he had an army by his side because he was never ever powerful enough to solo armies. The Nemesis is a perfect example of him just getting out there because he was nowhere near more than an afterthought to these forces of the Nemesis.

Billions you claim yet regular human beings had Kain dipping all over the timestream in order to reclaim vampire guardianship and had them down to one vampire. This is another claim you cannot back up as he hasn't even killed more than 30 foes at a time yet you claim something as ridiculous as billions. It's fanboyism to sickening degrees.

You're right this isn't a comic this is a videogame in which I have played as Kain and he sneaks around all the time because he has to. If he were powerful enough he'd just slaughter the sarafan singlehandedly and wouldn't need any help or the human populace.

Give me Kain's most impressive feat where he takes on scores of enemies............I can't wait to hear this one.

Thanos had the power to take over armies, or blink them out of existence with a thought whereas Raziel doesn't nor does Kain. I already cited the example of Kain fleeing with aid against a superior army. He also brought one with him against the Hylden Lord because he needed one. He's never been portrayed as powerful enough to even take on an army. He's clever enough to stealthily go about his objectives not foolish enough to take on an army. I have given examples of him using one and fleeing from one so this is actual evidence unlike your unsupported claims.

Vampires are strong yes but not as strong as Ogres and it's arguable either way or dragons or golems. Human beings showed with simple weapons they could eradicate the vampires with the proper focus and leadership. This army would stomp them. The mages would wreak havoc on these vampires and the weakness isn't even necessary.


I gave examples of of Lok in the game. You claim now I never played it. Wow. If you played dragon age why would you claim something as ignorant as them not being mobile as some sort of weakness. You'd have to come to them as they constantly breed more forces so they'd be pinned in and fortified. If they don't take out the broodmothers here comes more darkspawn.

Another claim you cannot back up. Why are the vampire hunters more powerful than any darkspawn ? What abilities do they have ? Their armor is a joke and there are just a lot of the,m but I've seen far more darkspawn who are stronger, slealthier, superior, and can drastically increase their numbers via way of broodmothers.

Like there isn't fanaticism in dragon age. Ever go to haven ? If you played the game you'd realize there are quite a few fanatics in the game. Ferelden have skilled men such as dwarves who can equip the best of armor and weapons while the dalish are kickass archers. Throw in mages from the circle and templars designed to wipe out magic wielders and you guys are in trouble. Guess what they have war hounds the mabari as well along with redcliffe soldiers, golems, werewolves, etc. I mean this is a stomp.


Mere humans with fire can eradicate the vampires so they are in huge trouble as even in their own games they aren't up tot the task as an army for the most part.


Give me some examples of them bending reality to their whim in combat. Teleportation is nice and all but it isn't beating these forces the rare few who possess this ability. You have to reappear sometime and look out water and fire which have shown more than capable of destroying vampires. Vorador got beaten despite his abilities by sheer numbers of humans so not impressed.

Hylden Lord is powerful but he'd getting his ass handed to him by a few ogres and darkspawn. They'd just beat him down. You also forget about the possessed mages known as abominations along with Uldred who could really just wreak havoc.

So what if they have guns and flamethrowers the mages and what not have shown the ability to use fire a lot more impressive than these simple flamethrowers and guns. The mages have shown the ability to paralyze their targets, heal, shoot fire, freeze their opponents, lightning on their enemies, blood magic, etc.

Gylph weapons and shields are nice and all but they still bleed and die when hit and weren't shown to be anything beyond a darkspawn attack by any means.

Kain needed generals and planning to defeat or usurp the humans. He didn't just solo the armies like you claim he needed one of his own which supports my entire case and my view of Kain.

eg gets crushed and by a few dozen ogres, emissaries, and hurlock alphas.

They defeat either by beating on them, water, fire, frost, sword attacks, axe attacks, brute strength, etc. We see eg in combat and Kain is enough to beat him the only reason he was as impressive as he was is because he wasn't even known to exist and they had no way of beating him. For all his powers he was helpless against Kain and needed Moebius anyways and still failed.


Dragon age in an epic stomp.

Originally posted by quanchi112


Because its a tiny dragon who in canon gets killed by one man. The static elements such as his death kill shows us one Warden jumping on its neck and stabbing it dead. Then youve not played any Warcraft, anything with norse myth and as a reader of Marvel I am sure theres more than one dragon that could throttle it without a problem. Its not got one useful ability beyond breathing fire, its a basic dragon at the most.

It makes all the difference if you knew anything about the Lok series. Kain was not physically strong enough, nor durable enough. He had an army because he wanted to fight the Hylden lord. Normal men cannot stand against Kain, never have.

What are you talking about, "normal" human beings? explain yourself. Billions, easily, trillions if you want. It makes no difference, you could never argue against Kain or his power, only against a particulour event thats pre-history compared to current Kain.

Since when is this ever established? that Kain sneaks around "because he has to"? what an ignorant statement. Again, why would he need help? what Kain needs help in is sustaining an empire with him as the master of the world.

No, instead both Raziel and Kain have immortality, speed, strength and durability far beyond armies that they would fight either way, it still allows them to destroy billions. Claiming Thanos can beat armies with my example in mind, is hypocritical if you dont think Kain and Raziel can as well.

Youve given examples of him using one, sure. Thats not denying him his powers, durability and overall stats that would allow him to solo Dragonage.

Ogres and Golems are not numerous and unlike vampires, Ogres are slow and unintelligent. And Soul reaver era vampires are stronger than Ogres.

Well clearly you have not if your ignorant enough to think some Darkspawn or human groups can beat Kain himself. You and your "constantly breed", Broodmother is not constantly giving birth, and nobody was attacking her before the players group arrived because the Dwarves were defencive. Need I mension also that a few dwarves held the line against armies of Darkspawn?

Because Vampire hunters are caked in armour, intelligent, disciplined and Demon hunters have guns and flamethrowers. I lol at darkspawn running at a line of cannons only for the survivers to get ripped up by armoured soldiers.

Oh I have played it, which is why I can tell you one group of cultists does not counter an entire army of armoured, disciplined sorceror warriors that the Sarafan are. Dwarves are skilled and armoured but they are nothing compared to vampires, the Dalish may be good archers, but their outdated compare to Demon hutner hand cannons who will rip them apart and once again, arrows vs heavy armour? not a chance. The Circle from the wizard tower? very few were even alive after the Demonic possession and those that are, their hardly comparable to the circle of nine who are vastly superior, e.g. Dark Eden.

You talk of werewolves as if their impressive, their not much more durable than a man and their speed and strength is bested by vampires/hylden. Not to mension Demons themselves that the Lok forces have. Greater/black Demon>>>ogres.

based on what? vampires, evne in the Blood omen 2 era such as Faustus are too quick. nobodies going to just be able to toss a torch and burn a vampire, theres more chance of a Fereldon soldier being burned alive than a vampire.

When did I say "in combat"? I just pointed out they can do it. No he didnt, Vorador was beaten by Moebius who has a plot device staff.

Ogres and darkspawn? you mean the big slow ogres he can see a mile off? the darkspawn who will be like wheat before the sythe? Darkpawn get ripped apart by normal men.

Difference is, Mages are not as numerous AND, LoK also has said mages. And your listing powers from the player character which is not necesserily canon to what all mages can do, sure mages can use said powers but theres only a few of them, their not numerous as you seem to belive and especially not after the possession.

Your "entire case" is based on a few showings of him getting a ruling army, theres evidence to suggest he cant, infact all the evidence suggests he can.

ogres gets thrown like paper towels, hurlock alphas and emissaries are weak grunts, what are going to do? tap Kain with their weak weapons?

Thats because Kain and his weapon are ridiculously powerful, nobody in DAO can even see the EG and if any could (possibly a demon with special sight) they can do nothing, its too large and too strong. It topples the lot of them.

Kain in an epic stomp, he doesnt need his army.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Because its a tiny dragon who in canon gets killed by one man. The static elements such as his death kill shows us one Warden jumping on its neck and stabbing it dead. Then youve not played any Warcraft, anything with norse myth and as a reader of Marvel I am sure theres more than one dragon that could throttle it without a problem. Its not got one useful ability beyond breathing fire, its a basic dragon at the most.

It makes all the difference if you knew anything about the Lok series. Kain was not physically strong enough, nor durable enough. He had an army because he wanted to fight the Hylden lord. Normal men cannot stand against Kain, never have.

What are you talking about, "normal" human beings? explain yourself. Billions, easily, trillions if you want. It makes no difference, you could never argue against Kain or his power, only against a particulour event thats pre-history compared to current Kain.

Since when is this ever established? that Kain sneaks around "because he has to"? what an ignorant statement. Again, why would he need help? what Kain needs help in is sustaining an empire with him as the master of the world.

No, instead both Raziel and Kain have immortality, speed, strength and durability far beyond armies that they would fight either way, it still allows them to destroy billions. Claiming Thanos can beat armies with my example in mind, is hypocritical if you dont think Kain and Raziel can as well.

Youve given examples of him using one, sure. Thats not denying him his powers, durability and overall stats that would allow him to solo Dragonage.

Ogres and Golems are not numerous and unlike vampires, Ogres are slow and unintelligent. And Soul reaver era vampires are stronger than Ogres.

Well clearly you have not if your ignorant enough to think some Darkspawn or human groups can beat Kain himself. You and your "constantly breed", Broodmother is not constantly giving birth, and nobody was attacking her before the players group arrived because the Dwarves were defencive. Need I mension also that a few dwarves held the line against armies of Darkspawn?

Because Vampire hunters are caked in armour, intelligent, disciplined and Demon hunters have guns and flamethrowers. I lol at darkspawn running at a line of cannons only for the survivers to get ripped up by armoured soldiers.

Oh I have played it, which is why I can tell you one group of cultists does not counter an entire army of armoured, disciplined sorceror warriors that the Sarafan are. Dwarves are skilled and armoured but they are nothing compared to vampires, the Dalish may be good archers, but their outdated compare to Demon hutner hand cannons who will rip them apart and once again, arrows vs heavy armour? not a chance. The Circle from the wizard tower? very few were even alive after the Demonic possession and those that are, their hardly comparable to the circle of nine who are vastly superior, e.g. Dark Eden.

You talk of werewolves as if their impressive, their not much more durable than a man and their speed and strength is bested by vampires/hylden. Not to mension Demons themselves that the Lok forces have. Greater/black Demon>>>ogres.

based on what? vampires, evne in the Blood omen 2 era such as Faustus are too quick. nobodies going to just be able to toss a torch and burn a vampire, theres more chance of a Fereldon soldier being burned alive than a vampire.

When did I say "in combat"? I just pointed out they can do it. No he didnt, Vorador was beaten by Moebius who has a plot device staff.

Ogres and darkspawn? you mean the big slow ogres he can see a mile off? the darkspawn who will be like wheat before the sythe? Darkpawn get ripped apart by normal men.

Difference is, Mages are not as numerous AND, LoK also has said mages. And your listing powers from the player character which is not necesserily canon to what all mages can do, sure mages can use said powers but theres only a few of them, their not numerous as you seem to belive and especially not after the possession.

Your "entire case" is based on a few showings of him getting a ruling army, theres evidence to suggest he cant, infact all the evidence suggests he can.

ogres gets thrown like paper towels, hurlock alphas and emissaries are weak grunts, what are going to do? tap Kain with their weak weapons?

Thats because Kain and his weapon are ridiculously powerful, nobody in DAO can even see the EG and if any could (possibly a demon with special sight) they can do nothing, its too large and too strong. It topples the lot of them.

Kain in an epic stomp, he doesnt need his army. They show one warden taking the final blow after sending armies after it or just beating on it with your party for around twenty minutes. That's like sending ten guys after Kain and then one weakling gets the killing blow and ignoring what happened to put him in that weakened state prior to. It's called context and it's obvious you didn't play the game you just saw videos which is fine but don't claim you played it when you make it obvious you didn't.


Here's a question if someone stuns a lion and shoots it multiple times and then I come up and kill it with a blade is that the same thing as me killing it easily by myself or was I only in that position because of the aid I received prior to ?

No, I haven't played wow which I have stated numerous times and what do comic book characters have to do with anything most are planet destroying power which would annihilate most i fnot all video game characters so comparing the two is ridiculous. The dragon in this game as the archdemon is a badass and blows away any dragon I have seen in a videogame including zelda dragons and jack of blades as a dragon.

Kain has never physically been strong enough to take out an army. Why sneak into the sarafan stronghold if he were powerful enough to just assrape the army ?

COMMON SENSE JUST SLAPPED YOU IN THE FACE.

Yes normal men can't stand against Kain but an army would walk the dog over him. Normal men cannot stand over the archdemon but he has shown the ability to take on small armies along with a party of four and easily hold his own before calling in reinforcements.

If Kain could defeat trillions he could defeat all the humans himself and would have no need of generals or an army. Guess what he needed an army and allies in every single game. He's never been shown to be able to take on an army nor is he stupid enough to engage an army. You're ludicrous and the game laughs at your opinion.

Kain does need to sneak around because he's up against competent and capable opponents who have armies and small bands so he can't just show up waving his Kain banner he has to sneak in. Same reason he ran from the Nemesis. I love it when the game backs up everything I state and nothing you state.

Neither character is unkillable in these threads and you can imprison or possess them or trap them in the Fade anyways.

Thanos had the power to wish away half the universe and did so. To compare the two is so utterly ridiculous when comparing them against Raziel a known idiot and easily manipulated victim who was killed by possessed Janos or Kain who feld from a weak army of the Nemesis or fell to the Hylden Lord while Thanos without these armies could eradicate all these armies at once without the ig. he's taken out billions before while mindless and depowered.


His powers ? Water destroys him easily. He never soloed any armies in his games so how does he utilize them in this contest to solo either of these armies. Give examples based on the games I have so you should do the same. Guess what the emissaries can paralyze him soon as he appears and freeze him and petrify and shatter him before he even knows what is going on. Powers argument I'll stomp you there.

My ass they aren't numerous. There are oodles and oodles of these characters throughout the game and the downloadable content which I have been kind enough to not even bring up till now. So many golems and ogres and even armored ogres who are even more formidable.

They also have darkspawn who can think and reason along with the Mother and the Architect. Wow, utter stompage.

There's more than one broodmother in the game and in a war type setting the ***** will do nothing but spawn more.

Teryn Loghain will unify the human forces and lead them to victory. His brilliant strategic mind along with the redcliffe soldiers, his own forces, the tevinter slavers, Zathrian, Witherfang, Uldred, two darkspawn generals, Jarvia, Bhelen, Caridin, Branka, Arl Eamon, Arl Howe, dalish clan, golems, werewolves, Gregoir, First Enchanter Irving, Oghren, Felder, Jowan, etc. will utterly destroy their forces. They could splinter these mammoth forces into like 4 groups and sandwich them into doom.

I've left out the dragons outside the Archdemon as well and the Harvester. There were also lots of Harvesters as well at the end of that. I mean this isn't even close.

The darkspawn have emissaries who heal their allies and toss fireballs or electrical damage at them from afar along with archers. They don't have to just run mindlessly at them with swords alone and this isn't taking into consideration the intelligent darkspawn who were ambushing and annihilating grey wardens left and right. Hahahaha.

There were more than just the haven nutbags to contend with such as the templars and random fanatics of Bhelen and Harrowmont. Fanatic is just a worse and means nothing anyways.

Vampires were taken out by just flame and what not down to one vampire, Kain who was dicing through the timestream. Kain didn't annihilate the humans on his own he avoided that as well. The golems would just run right through these weak humans and demolish them.

Kain himself while weaker took out the circle of nine who were corrupted so these guys will shutter in fear from an actual army who wants their heads. Tens of thousands of darkspawn alone with the ability to breed more. Throw in intelligent ones and golems and Loghain can sit on his ass and have tea parties.

The werewolves can definitely hang with the general populace of the vampires who were eradicated by humans, easily.

Greater black demons aren't greater than ogres it's arguable either way but there are far more ogres and armored ones as well. There's even possessed Ogres who can be brought back to life by emissaries.

That's one vampire who was very quick not the lot of them and in dragon age the mages staffs never miss so they are screwed.

Vorador knew he couldn't beat the humans he was crushed it had nothing to do with Moebius it was inevitable.

Armies of men can contend with darkspawn but they have never been eliminated down to one lone one such as vampires in kain. Laughs.

If you played it you'd realize throughout all the game and dc there are a lot of mages both friendly and enemy alike. So say there aren't many is ignorant.

Well over 200 mages in the game both friendly and enemy combined.

There's no evidence to suggest he will even take on an army Kain's past suggests he runs from this. He has never faced an army he's turned tail and fled. if he stays he dies aif he flees he dies eventually. Pick which option.

When has Kain ever thrown someone like an ogre around like a ragdoll ? Please...do tell.

In this thread they can and will and if need be would take Raziel prisoner and use Kain's sword to see him and kill him. Kain was big enough to beat him to which he could nothing but bellyache as he walked right out.

Kain runs like he did against the Nemesis or gets crushed for 200 years like when he challenged the Hylden Lord.


Dragon age in an epic stomp.

Originally posted by quanchi112


how long you took to "beat it" e.g. 20 minutes is uncanon which is where your ignorence on how Games vs works shows, we dont count how long it takes for an in-game player character to beat something as a canon regard of its strength/durability. I killed it easily, using only Golem armies to weaken it, it was not a hard boss certainly not for a group of Wizards but what i did is not canon apart from the fact a Grey warden killed the dragon.

In real life no, in a game it depends on the canon. If your character stunned the lion, shot it twice and an NPC killed it in canon, then its the NPC who did it, your shots are irrelevant.

Their everything to do with it because when I said "weakest dragons in fiction" you claimed you put the Dragon in DAO at the top of your list. Obviously you lied. Zelda and jack of blades? their the only video game dragons youve seen? "sigh"

Yes he has, your making claims and not backing them up. Kains as shown is stronger than Raziel who has tonnes of strength in his arms, Kain can also take tonnes of damage....a man with a sword cant deal tonnes of damage. Why sneak? did you even play the damn game? you think he was sneaking around Sarafan strongholds to kill armies? if your talking about BO2, hes trying to kill the Sarafan lord, if your talking about Defiance then hes trying to find moebius before he escapes.

An army is made up of normal men. Think of it this way, if trillions of knights ran at a modern Challenger 2 main battle tank and started smacking it with their bronze swords, their not going to damage it are they? no...its not going to blow up, they cant get through Dorchester armour. its the same thing here, only Kain in question can rip them apart like wet tissue paper.

Feats, logic, common sense AND actual in-game canon just punched you in the gut.

No it doesnt, your opinion is that Kain only wants to defeat armies which he can do by himself, what he cant do by himself is build an empire and keep hold of territories across a continent. Thats what he cant do by himself, so no, the game laughs at your opinion.

Yeh, but if he did not actually do it, would you argue Thanos could not beat armies even if we knew for a fact he had hte power? because thats what your doing with Kain.

Yeh, so? We dont know how many there are for sure, nor does it matter. They dont breed armies instantly in the canon iirc they need food, and sustenance.

Only Logain and all those generals realise they have been manipulated from the beginning, kill eachother because they think the other forces have rebelled and end up becoming surrounded because their facing brilliant thousands of years old minds, manipulators and strategists who have actually conquered worlds (Kain). Logain, a petty General with what, 50 years of experianc vs several of Kains Genreals with thousands? I lold.

Emissaries are few in number and more importantly, Sarafan have their own sorcerors who heal, toss energy and shield their allies.

Golems? their made out of iron are they not? and as i said, theres not many of them at all, they were made from old dwarven people at the anvil.

Kains stronger than this army, the circle twisted an entire region with their magic and thats just 3 of them, Dejoule the energist can damage cells of people who just stand near her and she shoots energy and lightning all around, Mortanius soul rapes. He could just take the Dragons soul and imprison it inside anoher vessel under his control.

Werewolves who get shot by the cannon fire from demon hunters? werewolves who have faced nothing but bows vs Vampires who are faster, stronger etc? Nah.

Yes it is, a black/greater Demon is larger than an Ogre, has more muscle and breathes fire. Their also intelligent and numerous, e.g. a whole race. We have seen how few Ogres are in Darkspawn armies, handfulls at most.

Yeh, ignorance again. Go re-play Blood omen, Moebius has the only weapon that can stun/weaken vampires, his staff.

Thats because the Darkspawn have not faced cannons, flamethrowers and sorcerors wielding powers specially desigend to work agains them. On the other hand, armies of men with far higher tech equipment than those in Ferelden hide in fear from Kains enormous Empire in Soul reaver after he conquered the lot of them.....Darspawn and their leader perished at the hands of the humans and a handfull of Grey wardens

I have played it, theres Tervinter sorcerors, maybe a handfull in the circle tower left but other than that. mages are rare in DaO.

Kain rips them apart with his bare hands as their swords, bows and magic bounce off him as he calls "Vae Victus!". And when hes drunk the blood of a million men (Ferelden prob does not have over 10-20k) he sits back, tosses his sword in boredom and takes off the Dragons head with his hands.

Your claiming an Ogre has over 100 tonnes of body weight?

Because Kain has the soul reaver, DAO dont.

Yeh 200 years, because DAO has access to glyph/hylden magic AND kain has not changed in power at all since Blood omen 2...oh wait, your wrong...

youve yet to counter

-heavy armour and cannons/guns used by Demon warriors
-Trained Sarafan warriors vs rag tag groups in fereldon (kings men=skilled but redcliff vs armorued Sarafan? nah...)
-Circle Dark Eden sphere
-Contientn sized God just burying them all.
-Vampires, vast numerous army of creatures of the night with powers over the mind, mist forms, transformations, super speed and strength etc
-Kain...nuff said, youve not countered him at all. Youve used gameplay spells which Kain has shields to resist againt anyway.
-Hylden lord and other Hylden....

among other things ofc.

Just looked it up... and the Archdemon is actually pretty damn small. I know of dragons from video games that could literally crush the Archdemon under their paw.

This thread has gotten pretty god damned epic. BT and Quan will be posting those "sorry for the double post I exceeded the character limit" kind of posts in no time.

Originally posted by Burning thought
how long you took to "beat it" e.g. 20 minutes is uncanon which is where your ignorence on how Games vs works shows, we dont count how long it takes for an in-game player character to beat something as a canon regard of its strength/durability. I killed it easily, using only Golem armies to weaken it, it was not a hard boss certainly not for a group of Wizards but what i did is not canon apart from the fact a Grey warden killed the dragon.

In real life no, in a game it depends on the canon. If your character stunned the lion, shot it twice and an NPC killed it in canon, then its the NPC who did it, your shots are irrelevant.

Their everything to do with it because when I said "weakest dragons in fiction" you claimed you put the Dragon in DAO at the top of your list. Obviously you lied. Zelda and jack of blades? their the only video game dragons youve seen? "sigh"

Yes he has, your making claims and not backing them up. Kains as shown is stronger than Raziel who has tonnes of strength in his arms, Kain can also take tonnes of damage....a man with a sword cant deal tonnes of damage. Why sneak? did you even play the damn game? you think he was sneaking around Sarafan strongholds to kill armies? if your talking about BO2, hes trying to kill the Sarafan lord, if your talking about Defiance then hes trying to find moebius before he escapes.

An army is made up of normal men. Think of it this way, if trillions of knights ran at a modern Challenger 2 main battle tank and started smacking it with their bronze swords, their not going to damage it are they? no...its not going to blow up, they cant get through Dorchester armour. its the same thing here, only Kain in question can rip them apart like wet tissue paper.

Feats, logic, common sense AND actual in-game canon just punched you in the gut.

No it doesnt, your opinion is that Kain only wants to defeat armies which he can do by himself, what he cant do by himself is build an empire and keep hold of territories across a continent. Thats what he cant do by himself, so no, the game laughs at your opinion.

Yeh, but if he did not actually do it, would you argue Thanos could not beat armies even if we knew for a fact he had hte power? because thats what your doing with Kain.

Yeh, so? We dont know how many there are for sure, nor does it matter. They dont breed armies instantly in the canon iirc they need food, and sustenance.

Only Logain and all those generals realise they have been manipulated from the beginning, kill eachother because they think the other forces have rebelled and end up becoming surrounded because their facing brilliant thousands of years old minds, manipulators and strategists who have actually conquered worlds (Kain). Logain, a petty General with what, 50 years of experianc vs several of Kains Genreals with thousands? I lold.

Emissaries are few in number and more importantly, Sarafan have their own sorcerors who heal, toss energy and shield their allies.

Golems? their made out of iron are they not? and as i said, theres not many of them at all, they were made from old dwarven people at the anvil.

Kains stronger than this army, the circle twisted an entire region with their magic and thats just 3 of them, Dejoule the energist can damage cells of people who just stand near her and she shoots energy and lightning all around, Mortanius soul rapes. He could just take the Dragons soul and imprison it inside anoher vessel under his control.

Werewolves who get shot by the cannon fire from demon hunters? werewolves who have faced nothing but bows vs Vampires who are faster, stronger etc? Nah.

Yes it is, a black/greater Demon is larger than an Ogre, has more muscle and breathes fire. Their also intelligent and numerous, e.g. a whole race. We have seen how few Ogres are in Darkspawn armies, handfulls at most.

Yeh, ignorance again. Go re-play Blood omen, Moebius has the only weapon that can stun/weaken vampires, his staff.

Thats because the Darkspawn have not faced cannons, flamethrowers and sorcerors wielding powers specially desigend to work agains them. On the other hand, armies of men with far higher tech equipment than those in Ferelden hide in fear from Kains enormous Empire in Soul reaver after he conquered the lot of them.....Darspawn and their leader perished at the hands of the humans and a handfull of Grey wardens

I have played it, theres Tervinter sorcerors, maybe a handfull in the circle tower left but other than that. mages are rare in DaO.

Kain rips them apart with his bare hands as their swords, bows and magic bounce off him as he calls "Vae Victus!". And when hes drunk the blood of a million men (Ferelden prob does not have over 10-20k) he sits back, tosses his sword in boredom and takes off the Dragons head with his hands.

Your claiming an Ogre has over 100 tonnes of body weight?

Because Kain has the soul reaver, DAO dont.

Yeh 200 years, because DAO has access to glyph/hylden magic AND kain has not changed in power at all since Blood omen 2...oh wait, your wrong...

youve yet to counter

-heavy armour and cannons/guns used by Demon warriors
-Trained Sarafan warriors vs rag tag groups in fereldon (kings men=skilled but redcliff vs armorued Sarafan? nah...)
-Circle Dark Eden sphere
-Contientn sized God just burying them all.
-Vampires, vast numerous army of creatures of the night with powers over the mind, mist forms, transformations, super speed and strength etc
-Kain...nuff said, youve not countered him at all. Youve used gameplay spells which Kain has shields to resist againt anyway.
-Hylden lord and other Hylden....

among other things ofc. The point is one character didn't just easily stab the archdemon's head and kill it. You made it out like that which is completely out of context. That's the whole point and always has been.

I've used the golem army against it and he takes the golems down before he even calls in his troops. A grey warden killed a weakened archdemon after it was defeated in battle. You just don't even comprehend what it is you are even saying. Context.

What ? That's not irrelevant? You act as if the kill shot or blow is all that matters. Context is your enemy it would suppose. Fine I will go down to your level Raziel easily tore out Kain's heart one on one unlike the Archdemon who took on an army and 4 characters at once or 4 at once unlike Kain who was physically raped by Raziel. The warden used a sword as well and the fight wasn't one on one unlike Kain and Raziel didn't use his sword to do so.

I named two other video games whereas you named a video game I have never played and a comics dragon. Give actual examples next thing you are going to name is a movie or cartoon dragon.


Kain was shown about strong enough to easily tear out a heart and overpower Raziel who can do the same so considering of what they are up against this isn't going to get it down as these aren't mere humans they are pushing around with no special abilities.

He snuck into the sarafan stronghold in defiance. Did you play it ? Do you even know who Kain is ? I mean you seem to think he carries a trumpet and sounds off against armies who he slays with his left hand tied behind his back. You're upset he ran from the Nemesis and got beaten by the Hylden Lord for 200 years he got beat up so badly.

Kain isn't a tank nor is he anywhere near as durable as one evidenced by how easily Raziel tore his still beating heart out. Your claims are a joke and contradict how he is portrayed in his own series which you seem to ignore.

Saying feats, etc. just punched me in the guy while not naming any convincing ones and claiming he goes through people like wet tissue paper is another unbacked claim. You also compared his skin to that of a tank...lol.

When has Kain ever defeated an army by himself ? When ? I expect an answer. If you can't cite a canon instance then I win.

Thanos has done it Kain hasn't. Big difference. There goes your argument I argue based on how they are portrayed.

We know there are more than 2 and we know one can breed thousands on top of the thousands already in existence. It does matter and you have no idea about warfare at all if you think numbers don't matter.

Loghain's world is rougher than Kain's and the forces he is up against are more impressive than the forces in Kain's realm. Nosgoth while impressive gets chewed up if they come to just Ferelden.


Kain has more experience but weaker forces by a landslide. Loghain conquered the orlesians and he's conquering Kain here.

There were lots of golems in the game coupled with dc along with the fact they could make more and Bhelen was making them. They have the resources and the ability so look out Kain you;re in real trouble.

I just said there are over 200 emissaries and like a child you say they are few in number. LOL. What a childish response which reminds me of a child with their hands in their ears saying nuh uh. Deny it all you want. Emissaries can do a lot more than lok mages. They can heal as well not only that fade demons, abominations, and blood mages.

Werewolves faced mages and arrows and warriors. Where do you get they only faced off against arrows ? What ? They tear into the human flesh with their ranged weapons just like they did against the dalish with their ranged weapons. They are a lot stronger and faster than human beings so once they close the gap they destroy them.



Yes they twisted one of their regions not a Ferelden region who have plenty of able bodied mages and magic users to prevent this from ever occuring. The archdemon has to be killed to go after his soul there sport. Mortanius gets eaten alive by say the Baroness and say the Harvester.

To say there are just a few handfuls of ogres is just ignorant. Play through the game and count I bet there are at least minimum 60. Plus let's not forget hurlock alpha's.


Did you just say the only way to beat vampires is by Moebius' staff ? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.



The darkspawn have faced mages with powers >>>than simple flamethrowers. In lok this dominates not in dragon age. That's the difference so in a sense you are arguing with me not against me.

What makes the canons so special I mean did you say the abilities available by the mages and what not they can rain fire all over the place with their magic massive explosions and you act like a canon is the all important tactic that can't be overcome. You make me laugh.



What equipment is higher tech ?

Kain was crushed by one army and the Hylden Lord. Kain fled in fear from the Nemesis and had to challenge him before he became the Nemesis because he was too afraid of his army.

The darkspawn were defeated by armies and grey wardens whereas humans eradicated all your powerful vampires save Kain who hid from them.

There are at least 200 mages in the game so rare doesn't matter as that is sufficient enough.

When has a sword bounced off Kain ? The guy fled from a human army before so I doubt he will even want a piece of this.





Uhm dragon age has superior armor, smiths, runes to enchant armor and enchantments that can paralyze or slow their opponents movement. LOL. Yeah advantage dragon age. What game did lok really emphasize badass armor, sport ?



Uhm redcliffe solders, templars, mages, etc. are all trained. You think these are all yahoos who just decided to join the army that day. I question your intelligence if you played the game to make such ignorant statements.

What is the circle dark eden sphere going to do ? ---Do you know who the Harvester is ?

We saw the eg lose in one room and unable to do anything about it. he dies easily by say 10 ogres.

Vampires can be easily destroyed by fire and guess what the mages have---firepower. Humans crushed them so this is just a waxing here as they have humans, mages, warriors, rogues, etc.

Kain you just need to emerse him in water and he'd gone. LOL. That's if he decides to take this challenge on because in the past he'd ducked armies for fear of death.

The Mother and the Architect along with the Lost, the Withered, etc. crush the Hyden Lord.


Who beats the tens of thousands of darkspawn ?

Who beats the golems ?

Who beats the High Dragon, Archdemon, Uldred, Baroness, Harvester, Valterral, Witherfang, Zathrian, Caridin, Desire Demon, Sloth Demon, Caladrius, Hurlock Generals, Ancient Darkspawn, etc. ?

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Just looked it up... and the Archdemon is actually pretty damn small. I know of dragons from video games that could literally crush the Archdemon under their paw. Which video games ?

I bet Pokemon dragons can be included in the victory group. But I make this leap based on absolutely no knowledge of the Archdemon.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I bet Pokemon dragons can be included in the victory group. But I make this leap based on absolutely no knowledge of the Archdemon.

Nah. Too cartoony and rated E.

No but seriously, I'm in the same boat. Archdemon thing sounds like a typical dragon that breaths fire. Doesn't amount to much, especially next to a Charizard.

Actually its flames attack the soul.

That is about all it has going for it.

Well that's helpful I suppose. Least we know it's not normal now.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Which video games ?

Some dragons from Warcraft(especially the Aspects), Megadragons(a very rare dragon species) from M&M.

Well good going. Now he's just going to tell you that he asked you not to mention those games since he said he hadn't played them. He did, but still.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Actually its flames attack the soul.

That is about all it has going for it. Are you kidding ?

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Some dragons from Warcraft(especially the Aspects), Megadragons(a very rare dragon species) from M&M. Well I haven't played either but from what I have heard wow has badasses littered throughout the game and nothing from that game is typical or weak.

What's M and M ?


Also in dragon age the archdemon is anything but a typical dragon and the game nor do the characters treat him as such.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Are you kidding ? No.

The Archdemon's flames attack the spirit/soul.

Originally posted by NemeBro
No.

The Archdemon's flames attack the spirit/soul. That wasn't addressed towards that it was addressed towards your statement that's all he had going for him. That's utterly ridiculous.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That wasn't addressed towards that it was addressed towards your statement that's all he had going for him. That's utterly ridiculous. Name something else.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Name something else. Uh I don't know dominating armies after Riordan's attempted kill. I mean arrows were shot into him left and right and then he takes on four powerful heroes on top of that all.


How many other bad guys take on armies along with the main hero or heroes at the same time and still whoops ass after taking damage immediately before.

Originally posted by quanchi112


Thats all we know in the canon, so yeh...it didint lose 90% hitpoints if thats what your saying. in canon it got killed by a Greywarden, what the Golems and what not (if they were even canonically present) did when the player called them in is irrelevant.

It is when thats what the canon states, what the player decides to do or how long the gameplay takes to kill the dragon is irrelevant.

I can name those things ,as they are "fictional", infact if I named a cartoon one it would make the Archdemon even more laughable.

ok you did not even counter/reply to my last post, you just repeated your previous claim. poor debator again....actually counter my claims please otherwise your wasting my time.

He is actualy more durable than one, the tank was an example of what your dealing with.

So your admitting that if Thanos despite all his power had not actually done it you would argue that Thanos could not take on an army? even what little I know of Thanos, I would never say that he could not beat a group of soldiers with swords regardless of what hes done or not.

No we dont, we know that "over time" and with sustenance they can breed.

No its not, your claiming daft Darkspawn which are just as weak as men are "rougher" than demons, hunters with high tech equipment and world threatening sorcerors.....your making a fool of this affair.

The process of making a Golem is not easy, if you had played the games you would know it takes a living dwarf, you cant just round them all up and make them into Golems which will fall easily against Demons and vampires anyway.

Thats a nice number to pull out of your ass, show me your source. And like a child you ignore my counters and continually state without actual evidence that apprently werewolves or Golems are impressive.

No they dont, mages in fereldon have never countered anything of that magnitude or power.

Even if they were 60 (unlikely, you only face them a few times in canon) thats still a tiny number compared to a whole race of Demons and vampires.

Whats funny is that cannons are numerous weapons in the hands of soldiers, and in a line of fire will rip apart mages, armoured constructs etc while the mages take time casting spells, the mages which as I said, are not numerous.

The only characters in DAO with good armour are the Dwarves. iirc Redcliff and the elves wear either mail or cloth.

templars sure, redcliff soldires? not comparable to Sarafan. Nobody in DAO is part of an order that has fought for centuries against a foe apart from the Warden. The redcliff soldiers are in small number and poorly equiped and even the Kings men has enough for perhaps one battlefeild if that. The DAO intro shows us that he had few men compared to other armies.

The Dark Eden sphre is going to envelope the whole of Fereldon and turn them all into messed up creatures or kill them outright through reality warp. The harvester has nothing to do with it, its like a thinner, weaker version of the vampire Turel almost.

Anyon can be destroyed by fire, thats like saying Darkspawn and humans are just going to be "easily destroyted by fire" but vampires? their faster, stronger nad greater than any army in Ferelden. Also more numerous because in the SR era they covered the world after Kain had become master of Nosgoth, and there were an entire clan of them for each vampire.

Tell that to the Humans in Soul reaver, hiding behind their walls as play things for vampire young.

Yeh right, thats a joke, as is the idea that anyones going to immerse him in water considering hes stronger, faster and more varied in powers than any of them.

Darkspawn<<<<men with swords and poor equipment from DAO<<<Men with flamethrowers, heavy armour and cannons in

Ogres<<<Demons/Cannons

Dark Eden sphere>>>All Fereldon
Elder God>>>>Fereldon
Kain>>>>Fereldon

Also answering a questing with another is not a counter, youve yet to counter cannons, vampires, Kain or the Elder God.

10 ogres cannot see or touch the EG and if they could, they dont have the Soul reaver which would alow them to harm it enmass.

Originally posted by quanchi112

What's M and M ?


Also in dragon age the archdemon is anything but a typical dragon and the game nor do the characters treat him as such.

Tasty button-shaped candies... or Might & Magic in this case.

The Archdemon may not be a typical dragon, but he's also hardly anything special or outstanding either.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Thats all we know in the canon, so yeh...it didint lose 90% hitpoints if thats what your saying. in canon it got killed by a Greywarden, what the Golems and what not (if they were even canonically present) did when the player called them in is irrelevant.

It is when thats what the canon states, what the player decides to do or how long the gameplay takes to kill the dragon is irrelevant.

I can name those things ,as they are "fictional", infact if I named a cartoon one it would make the Archdemon even more laughable.

ok you did not even counter/reply to my last post, you just repeated your previous claim. poor debator again....actually counter my claims please otherwise your wasting my time.

He is actualy more durable than one, the tank was an example of what your dealing with.

So your admitting that if Thanos despite all his power had not actually done it you would argue that Thanos could not take on an army? even what little I know of Thanos, I would never say that he could not beat a group of soldiers with swords regardless of what hes done or not.

No we dont, we know that "over time" and with sustenance they can breed.

No its not, your claiming daft Darkspawn which are just as weak as men are "rougher" than demons, hunters with high tech equipment and world threatening sorcerors.....your making a fool of this affair.

The process of making a Golem is not easy, if you had played the games you would know it takes a living dwarf, you cant just round them all up and make them into Golems which will fall easily against Demons and vampires anyway.

Thats a nice number to pull out of your ass, show me your source. And like a child you ignore my counters and continually state without actual evidence that apprently werewolves or Golems are impressive.

No they dont, mages in fereldon have never countered anything of that magnitude or power.

Even if they were 60 (unlikely, you only face them a few times in canon) thats still a tiny number compared to a whole race of Demons and vampires.

Whats funny is that cannons are numerous weapons in the hands of soldiers, and in a line of fire will rip apart mages, armoured constructs etc while the mages take time casting spells, the mages which as I said, are not numerous.

The only characters in DAO with good armour are the Dwarves. iirc Redcliff and the elves wear either mail or cloth.

templars sure, redcliff soldires? not comparable to Sarafan. Nobody in DAO is part of an order that has fought for centuries against a foe apart from the Warden. The redcliff soldiers are in small number and poorly equiped and even the Kings men has enough for perhaps one battlefeild if that. The DAO intro shows us that he had few men compared to other armies.

The Dark Eden sphre is going to envelope the whole of Fereldon and turn them all into messed up creatures or kill them outright through reality warp. The harvester has nothing to do with it, its like a thinner, weaker version of the vampire Turel almost.

Anyon can be destroyed by fire, thats like saying Darkspawn and humans are just going to be "easily destroyted by fire" but vampires? their faster, stronger nad greater than any army in Ferelden. Also more numerous because in the SR era they covered the world after Kain had become master of Nosgoth, and there were an entire clan of them for each vampire.

Tell that to the Humans in Soul reaver, hiding behind their walls as play things for vampire young.

Yeh right, thats a joke, as is the idea that anyones going to immerse him in water considering hes stronger, faster and more varied in powers than any of them.

Darkspawn<<<<men with swords and poor equipment from DAO<<<Men with flamethrowers, heavy armour and cannons in

Ogres<<<Demons/Cannons

Dark Eden sphere>>>All Fereldon
Elder God>>>>Fereldon
Kain>>>>Fereldon

Also answering a questing with another is not a counter, youve yet to counter cannons, vampires, Kain or the Elder God.

10 ogres cannot see or touch the EG and if they could, they dont have the Soul reaver which would alow them to harm it enmass. It lost 99 percent of all it's hitpoints because we see it's energy meter depleted before it could be killed. That's canon or did you miss the 20 min battle that took place beforehand.

The player needs to defeat the archdemon and weaken it before they can kill it. Duh. That's like saying raziel can just rip out Kain's heart whenever he wants to. I sometimes question how you come up with this weirdo logic that only hurts your case.

We are talking videogames not every type of dragon and it works both ways I can name many movie and cartoon dragons nowhere near as powerful as the archdemon. Stick to the genre. It seems wow would crap all over Kain as well so you have no point.

What claim didn't I counter ?

Why is he more durable ? Raziel ripped his heart out easily so please tell me why I should believe he's so durable when mere water destroys him and he can have his heart ripped out. Wow, dude. Quit saying he's durable prove he's durabe that's why you never win a debate you just say random idiotic things without even attempting to prove them.

I am saying he did actually do it and he's displayed far more power than Kain and the entirety of nosgoth have ever displayed. Kain has fled from an army while Thanos has wrecked billions while dumb and depowered. Yay me!!!!!!

We know they can breed at alarming numbers and guess what they will be doing breeding. You have to come to them and the darkspawn will be ready. Teehee.

World threatening sorcerers isn't an actual point it's another random claim just like high tech equipment. The darkspawn are stronger than normal men and are numerous an dnormal men wiped out the vampires anyways. LOL. Normal men blew through vampires like nothing in your own verse, sport.

Yes, and Branka created and fortified herself with them. The reason there weren't more is because Caridin was in possession of the anvil and refused to take part in this process. If you fight him instead of Branka she makes more and fortifies herself to where Bhelen can't uproot her. Make some sense or at least pretend to understand what is actually going on I keep having to teach you things and explain the reasoning plus the fact there are plenty of golems in existence already.

We see in the games how impressive golems are against ogres, etc. They pound them into the dirt. We see how durable they are. Werewolves are more powerful than the humans when they close the gap. Are you contesting this ? I make valid points while it seems you don't even understand how to counter a point or what an actual point is for that matter.



because the mages are watched closely because of the tevinter imperium and their capabilities. We see with what they have left in just ferelden what they are capable of.

You face them all over the game and towards the end numerous amounts. You also face numerous amounts in awakening with armor on. I mean you played it so quit playing ignorant.

How many demons and vampires ? Roughly mind you ? We saw the humans easily crush them so why are you impressed ?

There are roughly at least 200 and many can heal while others attack while putting mabari in the front along with golems and warriors to take the punishment. Think man. The strategy and the capabilities of these forces make nosgoth look like cedar point.

Yes, most elves aren't warriors so why use good armor to weight them down that's for the strongest warriors. See have an understanding please of the game and the objectives and strengths of each class of character don't act like it's beneficial for every member to have heavy armor on.



The sarafan were one force when comparing them to various forces so they easily are overwhelmed by say templars, redcliffe soldiers, and werewolves alone. Sarafan has failed and was actually even resurrected as an order by the sarafan lord it was and has always been kind of a failure. Laughs at that order.

They can't reality warp all of Ferelden there powers only have to do with their own lands. Think junior.


The harvester would beat down turel. Especially with the ghosts allies just pounding on him.

Yes, anyone can and the mages possess far more impressive fire capabilities than mere flamethrowers. Thanks for agreeing with me.

Yes, more vampires to die for the darkspawn alone. Their numbers are nowhere near as impressive nor can they reproduce anyone near as quickly as the broodmothers.

The humans already whipped the vampires asses once and Kain fled from that era.

They can freeze Kain or petrify him. Their attacks never miss. How does it feel to be outplayed at each point in this debate ? Mages >>>>Kain with their abilities. Poor guy I don't like seeing this happen to Kain.

Golems, Ogres, Armored Ogres >>Cannons, Demons.

Ferelden>>Dark eden sphere as they have no power over ferelden.

Caladrius, Sloth Demon, Baroness >>>eg.

Uldred, Zathrian, Morrigan >Kain. he can't avoid their attacks poor guy.

In closing domination.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Tasty button-shaped candies... or Might & Magic in this case.

The Archdemon may not be a typical dragon, but he's also hardly anything special or outstanding either. Fromt he dragons I have seen he is special and wow at least has badasses left and right when it's obvious you need them to be in a pvp type game.

Archdemon>Jack of blades dragon or any zelda dragon.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Archdemon>Jack of blades dragon or any zelda dragon.

I fail to see the reason for bringing up dragons from either Fable or Zelda, when I don't believe he mentioned them.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I fail to see the reason for bringing up dragons from either Fable or Zelda, when I don't believe he mentioned them. Quanchi has quite some massive butt-hurt over Zelda due to the 100ish page LoK v.s. Twilight Princess thread. Expect him to bash it whenever he can, because he does.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It lost 99 percent of all it's hitpoints because we see it's energy meter depleted before it could be killed. That's canon or did you miss the 20 min battle that took place beforehand.

The player needs to defeat the archdemon and weaken it before they can kill it. Duh. That's like saying raziel can just rip out Kain's heart whenever he wants to. I sometimes question how you come up with this weirdo logic that only hurts your case.

We are talking videogames not every type of dragon and it works both ways I can name many movie and cartoon dragons nowhere near as powerful as the archdemon. Stick to the genre. It seems wow would crap all over Kain as well so you have no point.

What claim didn't I counter ?

Why is he more durable ? Raziel ripped his heart out easily so please tell me why I should believe he's so durable when mere water destroys him and he can have his heart ripped out. Wow, dude. Quit saying he's durable prove he's durabe that's why you never win a debate you just say random idiotic things without even attempting to prove them.

I am saying he did actually do it and he's displayed far more power than Kain and the entirety of nosgoth have ever displayed. Kain has fled from an army while Thanos has wrecked billions while dumb and depowered. Yay me!!!!!!

We know they can breed at alarming numbers and guess what they will be doing breeding. You have to come to them and the darkspawn will be ready. Teehee.

World threatening sorcerers isn't an actual point it's another random claim just like high tech equipment. The darkspawn are stronger than normal men and are numerous an dnormal men wiped out the vampires anyways. LOL. Normal men blew through vampires like nothing in your own verse, sport.

Yes, and Branka created and fortified herself with them. The reason there weren't more is because Caridin was in possession of the anvil and refused to take part in this process. If you fight him instead of Branka she makes more and fortifies herself to where Bhelen can't uproot her. Make some sense or at least pretend to understand what is actually going on I keep having to teach you things and explain the reasoning plus the fact there are plenty of golems in existence already.

We see in the games how impressive golems are against ogres, etc. They pound them into the dirt. We see how durable they are. Werewolves are more powerful than the humans when they close the gap. Are you contesting this ? I make valid points while it seems you don't even understand how to counter a point or what an actual point is for that matter.



because the mages are watched closely because of the tevinter imperium and their capabilities. We see with what they have left in just ferelden what they are capable of.

You face them all over the game and towards the end numerous amounts. You also face numerous amounts in awakening with armor on. I mean you played it so quit playing ignorant.

How many demons and vampires ? Roughly mind you ? We saw the humans easily crush them so why are you impressed ?

There are roughly at least 200 and many can heal while others attack while putting mabari in the front along with golems and warriors to take the punishment. Think man. The strategy and the capabilities of these forces make nosgoth look like cedar point.

Yes, most elves aren't warriors so why use good armor to weight them down that's for the strongest warriors. See have an understanding please of the game and the objectives and strengths of each class of character don't act like it's beneficial for every member to have heavy armor on.



The sarafan were one force when comparing them to various forces so they easily are overwhelmed by say templars, redcliffe soldiers, and werewolves alone. Sarafan has failed and was actually even resurrected as an order by the sarafan lord it was and has always been kind of a failure. Laughs at that order.

They can't reality warp all of Ferelden there powers only have to do with their own lands. Think junior.


The harvester would beat down turel. Especially with the ghosts allies just pounding on him.

Yes, anyone can and the mages possess far more impressive fire capabilities than mere flamethrowers. Thanks for agreeing with me.

Yes, more vampires to die for the darkspawn alone. Their numbers are nowhere near as impressive nor can they reproduce anyone near as quickly as the broodmothers.

The humans already whipped the vampires asses once and Kain fled from that era.

They can freeze Kain or petrify him. Their attacks never miss. How does it feel to be outplayed at each point in this debate ? Mages >>>>Kain with their abilities. Poor guy I don't like seeing this happen to Kain.

Golems, Ogres, Armored Ogres >>Cannons, Demons.

Ferelden>>Dark eden sphere as they have no power over ferelden.

Caladrius, Sloth Demon, Baroness >>>eg.

Uldred, Zathrian, Morrigan >Kain. he can't avoid their attacks poor guy.

In closing domination.

You dont have any idea what canon is in a video game, thats why you should stick to comic book vs, if that....their not the same medium in a debate. The only thing thats canon is storyline or static events/cutscenes or powers. And the "20 minute" battle is not canon.

Hes so durable because he can take Raziels claws without a scratch. Also you bring up Raziel taking the heart of Darkness but fail to realise context, e.g. him being slashed across the chest by the wraith blade and being weakened spiritually and physically.

re-read what I said concerning Thanos then make a counter. Its like you ignored it completly.

Also provide evidence that any of these forces can take the impact of a cannon.

Show me sources where your getting the 200 number from, I asked for it before but you did not show.

The rest of your post is ranting/spam, youve said all of these things are just repeating yourself without actually proving any of it, or attempting to.

See this is why your making a joke out of yourself, Ogres and Golems can face cannons? since when? since when can the iron which Golems are typically made out of rebound a cannon shot?

The sphere was nothing to do with the area, the power of it came from the 3 members of the circle so Fereldon and its featless wizards are not safe.

All 3 of them are tiny characters who can neither see nor touch the EG.

Kain cant avoid their attacks despite moving quicker, teleporting and having a anti-magic shield? re-play the game ffs.

You cant outplay anyone in a debate, you know why? because youve spammed points without evidence, have ignorance of both series and claim theres numerous numbers of things despite the actual number of them being dwindling.

Come back to the thread with evidence, or not at all "sport"

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I fail to see the reason for bringing up dragons from either Fable or Zelda, when I don't believe he mentioned them. I already stated those are dragons I am unfamiliar with as opposed to discussing dragons from games I have seen them in. I gave two examples and like I said wow made most of their characters badasses due to it being pvp.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Quanchi has quite some massive butt-hurt over Zelda due to the 100ish page LoK v.s. Twilight Princess thread. Expect him to bash it whenever he can, because he does. I listed two dragons the archdemon would beat which includes my fable game. You don't even know what the word bash means. Laughs.

Originally posted by Burning thought
You dont have any idea what canon is in a video game, thats why you should stick to comic book vs, if that....their not the same medium in a debate. The only thing thats canon is storyline or static events/cutscenes or powers. And the "20 minute" battle is not canon.

Hes so durable because he can take Raziels claws without a scratch. Also you bring up Raziel taking the heart of Darkness but fail to realise context, e.g. him being slashed across the chest by the wraith blade and being weakened spiritually and physically.

re-read what I said concerning Thanos then make a counter. Its like you ignored it completly.

Also provide evidence that any of these forces can take the impact of a cannon.

Show me sources where your getting the 200 number from, I asked for it before but you did not show.

The rest of your post is ranting/spam, youve said all of these things are just repeating yourself without actually proving any of it, or attempting to.

See this is why your making a joke out of yourself, Ogres and Golems can face cannons? since when? since when can the iron which Golems are typically made out of rebound a cannon shot?

The sphere was nothing to do with the area, the power of it came from the 3 members of the circle so Fereldon and its featless wizards are not safe.

All 3 of them are tiny characters who can neither see nor touch the EG.

Kain cant avoid their attacks despite moving quicker, teleporting and having a anti-magic shield? re-play the game ffs.

You cant outplay anyone in a debate, you know why? because youve spammed points without evidence, have ignorance of both series and claim theres numerous numbers of things despite the actual number of them being dwindling.

Come back to the thread with evidence, or not at all "sport" It's canon that his energy is dwindled down to the point he just lays there. That has to happen every single time. Do you understand what is even occurring in the video game or did you think the archdemon just decided to take a little nap.

What is canon is the fact you need to pound on the dragon to get it to the point of one warden defeating it. Context. If three guys beat on someone and one guy enters and then gets the final blow you don't ignore the three man beat down prior to. Look up context and get back to me.

Raziel ripped his heart out. That's not very durable because when Raziel wanted to he just ripped through his soft flesh like nothing. That's not taking his claws like nothing. Wow.....i mean double wow.

You dismiss context when it comes to dragon age right now you want to discuss it in favor of lok. That's why you're delusional and a hypocrite. I throw back your own logic and you cry foul.

Thanos has displayed the power to do so whereas Kain has not. Thanos has also done so whereas Kain fled. Two key points. Do you understand english ?

There are ballistas in the game which seem to use quite a bit of force and these enemies can it like champs. They also can heal or use shields. Next.

Think about the game itself and every mage you saw in the circle, every emissary you fought throughout the game and all the dc. You also can use mages at the end of the battle. You also get about 4-6 in your party throughout all of this stuff. That's at least 200. Then bring in blood mages and tevinter mages and the Architect.

Oh this is when you claim the other person is spamming again. I have destroyed all your points which consist of Kain solos your army. I keep asking for his best feats and you keep avoiding the issue.

Why can't golems take a cannon shot ? Provide a reason why something that durable gets oneshotted ? Provide an example of a golem being one shotted by anything in dragon age or a cannon one shotting anyone significant in lok.

It has to do with power over nosgoth so no they can't warp all of Ferelden. I mean serious for a moment.

In this thread they can touch him and see him. If not they kill Kain and combine Raziel into his sword and then go beat him. By your plot device logic no one can kill the Archdemon then. Yippee.

Their spells don't miss and we see him hit time and time again by Raziel. Raziel ripped his heart out. Kain goes down hard too much for him to overcome. He'd probably flee like he has in the past against mere humans.


Here comes the spam thing again coming from someone who time after time says Kain solos armies when he's not even come close to doing so he ran in fear from a human army through the timestream. Yeah, I back up lok characters as portrayed you don't.

You ignore evidence but the proof is in the pudding. Superior forces, numbers, powers, leadership, magic, etc. Dragon age in a stomp.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Uh I don't know dominating armies after Riordan's attempted kill. I mean arrows were shot into him left and right and then he takes on four powerful heroes on top of that all.


How many other bad guys take on armies along with the main hero or heroes at the same time and still whoops ass after taking damage immediately before. So are you ignoring the fact that not only did the Archdemon have his own army, but his was in fact larger?

Originally posted by NemeBro
So are you ignoring the fact that not only did the Archdemon have his own army, but his was in fact larger? What does that have to do with his actions against Riordan or the mini forces he destroyed at the end of the game. He didn't have his army at his behest there did he ?


i am always two steps ahead of you.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Quanchi has quite some massive butt-hurt over Zelda due to the 100ish page LoK v.s. Twilight Princess thread. Expect him to bash it whenever he can, because he does.

I'm starting to learn that. Gotta say you LLLC gais must be getting bored of arguing for Twilight Princess though.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I'm starting to learn that. Gotta say you LLLC gais must be getting bored of arguing for Twilight Princess though. The lok vs. tp thread was abandoned by me due to the fact people keep referencing other zelda games anyways while other posters warranted getting it shut down. Food for thought.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What does that have to do with his actions against Riordan or the mini forces he destroyed at the end of the game. He didn't have his army at his behest there did he ?


i am always two steps ahead of you. Riordan was not killed by the Archdemon. He was killed by gravity. And he tore the Archdemon's wing, making him unable to fly. What a pussy. And yes, he dead, if you payed attention during the game, from the moment the attack started to the end, he had his army at his command, notice how when you fight him Darkspawn attack you constantly. Man, what a ****ing cowardly *****, afraid to fight alone, needs a massive army of Darkspawn.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The lok vs. tp thread was abandoned by me due to the fact people keep referencing other zelda games anyways while other posters warranted getting it shut down. Food for thought.

I already ate that food. First it was salty....and then sweet!

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's canon that his energy is dwindled down to the point he just lays there. That has to happen every single time. Do you understand what is even occurring in the video game or did you think the archdemon just decided to take a little nap.

What is canon is the fact you need to pound on the dragon to get it to the point of one warden defeating it. Context. If three guys beat on someone and one guy enters and then gets the final blow you don't ignore the three man beat down prior to. Look up context and get back to me.

Raziel ripped his heart out. That's not very durable because when Raziel wanted to he just ripped through his soft flesh like nothing. That's not taking his claws like nothing. Wow.....i mean double wow.

You dismiss context when it comes to dragon age right now you want to discuss it in favor of lok. That's why you're delusional and a hypocrite. I throw back your own logic and you cry foul.

Thanos has displayed the power to do so whereas Kain has not. Thanos has also done so whereas Kain fled. Two key points. Do you understand english ?

There are ballistas in the game which seem to use quite a bit of force and these enemies can it like champs. They also can heal or use shields. Next.

Think about the game itself and every mage you saw in the circle, every emissary you fought throughout the game and all the dc. You also can use mages at the end of the battle. You also get about 4-6 in your party throughout all of this stuff. That's at least 200. Then bring in blood mages and tevinter mages and the Architect.

Oh this is when you claim the other person is spamming again. I have destroyed all your points which consist of Kain solos your army. I keep asking for his best feats and you keep avoiding the issue.

Why can't golems take a cannon shot ? Provide a reason why something that durable gets oneshotted ? Provide an example of a golem being one shotted by anything in dragon age or a cannon one shotting anyone significant in lok.

It has to do with power over nosgoth so no they can't warp all of Ferelden. I mean serious for a moment.

In this thread they can touch him and see him. If not they kill Kain and combine Raziel into his sword and then go beat him. By your plot device logic no one can kill the Archdemon then. Yippee.

Their spells don't miss and we see him hit time and time again by Raziel. Raziel ripped his heart out. Kain goes down hard too much for him to overcome. He'd probably flee like he has in the past against mere humans.


Here comes the spam thing again coming from someone who time after time says Kain solos armies when he's not even come close to doing so he ran in fear from a human army through the timestream. Yeah, I back up lok characters as portrayed you don't.

You ignore evidence but the proof is in the pudding. Superior forces, numbers, powers, leadership, magic, etc. Dragon age in a stomp.

No thats not what the canon was, thats what the gameplay was. The only canon we know of the Archdemon is that its killed by the Grey warden, thats it. What attacked him beforehand unless it was in a cutscene is mostly player choice. You dont even have to use any soldiers on him if you dont want to.

At 2:08 Kain takes Raziels claws, if not twice without damage. Considering Raziel is stronger than anything in DAO, maybe stronger than the top few strongest things put together AND uses a sharp edge means Kain is immune to their damage.

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You see what this is above? evidence, theres not a single piece in any of your posts, now go grab some chuckles.

Thats not canon context, your talking about gameplay mechanics, you dont have a clue what your talking about when it comes to games vs.

Kain has however, thats the problem. Kains shown the ability to take more punishment than anything DAO can muster.

Your saying a Ballista is as strong as a cannon now? , and I dont recall any Golems or Ogres canonically taking Ballistae without harm. As I did above, I showed a video, its your turn.

Theres hardly any mages, in the whole game you fight one or two for every 20+ normal monsters, at the most and in specific levels. Iirc calling in mages is almost as few in number as the golems. When you call in human soldiers you get like 10/20 dont you? with mages, you get a few.

Because Golems are made of iron and Cannons rip iron AND stone, heavy piecies at that in bits? hence why armour became kinda null and void after the gun was made.

no it doesnt at all , the Circle mages simply used their own magic. Ferelden is just as weak to the magic, if not far weaker. Show me where it says the circle mages have to be in Nosgoth?

Using gameplay mechanics again? all this "spells dont miss" BS not to mension as I said, Raziel is quicker than them and Kain is quicker than Raziel (not as agile but still).

You dont back up LoK characters at all, you dont even understand the chronology of the game or the characters and whats more, you dont even know their powers or capabilities. You seem to also belive iron>>>Cannons, fireballs>>>Region reality warping magic and that Vampires who are superior in every way to Fereldons forces are somehow going to be stomped.

The problem is your pudding is burnt, full of shit and has no evidence to support it. If you want to play at being a child then fine, Ill lead you by the hand, now go get me a video for all this "evidence" ive given you the one that proves Kain takes ZERO damage from Fereldons forces.


Originally posted by NemeBro
Riordan was not killed by the Archdemon. He was killed by gravity. And he tore the Archdemon's wing, making him unable to fly. What a pussy. And yes, he dead, if you payed attention during the game, from the moment the attack started to the end, he had his army at his command, notice how when you fight him Darkspawn attack you constantly. Man, what a ****ing cowardly *****, afraid to fight alone, needs a massive army of Darkspawn.


And this, ripped wings by one of mortal strength and capabilities, his own army and still fails against the handfull of canon Grey Wardens that assail him (the armies you can choose to call upon can be chosen before the fight).

Originally posted by NemeBro
Riordan was not killed by the Archdemon. He was killed by gravity. And he tore the Archdemon's wing, making him unable to fly. What a pussy. And yes, he dead, if you payed attention during the game, from the moment the attack started to the end, he had his army at his command, notice how when you fight him Darkspawn attack you constantly. Man, what a ****ing cowardly *****, afraid to fight alone, needs a massive army of Darkspawn. Riordan was killed by the archdemon's actions so yes he killed him. He was able to fly in the final battle maybe not greater distances but due to the sword tearing it was much more impressive than dorf getting taken out by one sword plunge by inexperienced Link.

It's also if you paid attention NOT PAYED. You frustrate me with your ignorance and inability to even complete sentences from time to time.


Archdemon only calls in his army after his impressive feats so it's irrelevant to his feats I listed. Feel the burn.

The archdemon is always against four people so it's not exactly a one on one fight is it. Think before you type.

Originally posted by Burning thought
No thats not what the canon was, thats what the gameplay was. The only canon we know of the Archdemon is that its killed by the Grey warden, thats it. What attacked him beforehand unless it was in a cutscene is mostly player choice. You dont even have to use any soldiers on him if you dont want to.

At 2:08 Kain takes Raziels claws, if not twice without damage. Considering Raziel is stronger than anything in DAO, maybe stronger than the top few strongest things put together AND uses a sharp edge means Kain is immune to their damage.

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You see what this is above? evidence, theres not a single piece in any of your posts, now go grab some chuckles.

Thats not canon context, your talking about gameplay mechanics, you dont have a clue what your talking about when it comes to games vs.

Kain has however, thats the problem. Kains shown the ability to take more punishment than anything DAO can muster.

Your saying a Ballista is as strong as a cannon now? , and I dont recall any Golems or Ogres canonically taking Ballistae without harm. As I did above, I showed a video, its your turn.

Theres hardly any mages, in the whole game you fight one or two for every 20+ normal monsters, at the most and in specific levels. Iirc calling in mages is almost as few in number as the golems. When you call in human soldiers you get like 10/20 dont you? with mages, you get a few.

Because Golems are made of iron and Cannons rip iron AND stone, heavy piecies at that in bits? hence why armour became kinda null and void after the gun was made.

no it doesnt at all , the Circle mages simply used their own magic. Ferelden is just as weak to the magic, if not far weaker. Show me where it says the circle mages have to be in Nosgoth?

Using gameplay mechanics again? all this "spells dont miss" BS not to mension as I said, Raziel is quicker than them and Kain is quicker than Raziel (not as agile but still).

You dont back up LoK characters at all, you dont even understand the chronology of the game or the characters and whats more, you dont even know their powers or capabilities. You seem to also belive iron>>>Cannons, fireballs>>>Region reality warping magic and that Vampires who are superior in every way to Fereldons forces are somehow going to be stomped.

The problem is your pudding is burnt, full of shit and has no evidence to support it. If you want to play at being a child then fine, Ill lead you by the hand, now go get me a video for all this "evidence" ive given you the one that proves Kain takes ZERO damage from Fereldons forces.





And this, ripped wings by one of mortal strength and capabilities, his own army and still fails against the handfull of canon Grey Wardens that assail him (the armies you can choose to call upon can be chosen before the fight). Yes, you don't have to but it's still via 4 to one. So of course he can call in allies as it's never one on one and cutscene he destroys elf warriors and Riordan quite easily.

Raziel rips his heart out when he wants to here he wasn't trying to kill him so there goes your point. When Raziel wanted to out went his heart.

False, Kain was ko'd and his heart ripped out by one opponent. We see he an't take that much punishment in the game nor is he portrayed as some massive tank only in your mind.

So in the game stuff doesn't cut it has to be in a cutscene......hahaha.


We see in the game what they can survive against if there aren't any cutscenes you have to have a shred of common sense to debate.

I just named all the circle, blood mages, tevinter, emissaries, one hurlock general, etc. Add them together and I bet at least 200.

You get 8 mages, 50 redcliffe, 50 dwarves, 4 golems, need I go on ? I could lap you mentally.

Prove they are weaker. This is your claim now prove it.

Golems also are made out of runic materialsl making them not ordinary iron. Please prove they are made out of ordinary iron now since that's your claim.

Guns hitting solid iron is different than an armored person who has flesh underneath it. I mean please just use your brain.


Spells don't miss it doesn't matter how quick they are. You can't counter it so please just take it and like it.

I understand Kain and the lok games you don't. That's that. You think Kain is capable of soloing armies. how about this I will gein touch with Amy hennig and I will pose this question to her. if you are right then I leave for a month if I am right you leave for a month.


Man up and accept.

Kain gets frozen by a spell and then petrified and then shattered. These are their powers which cannot be avoided. kain loses.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Riordan was killed by the archdemon's actions so yes he killed him. He was able to fly in the final battle maybe not greater distances but due to the sword tearing it was much more impressive than dorf getting taken out by one sword plunge by inexperienced Link.

It's also if you paid attention NOT PAYED. You frustrate me with your ignorance and inability to even complete sentences from time to time.


Archdemon only calls in his army after his impressive feats so it's irrelevant to his feats I listed. Feel the burn.

The archdemon is always against four people so it's not exactly a one on one fight is it. Think before you type. Riordan was killed because he was a stupid man who thought it was a good idea to jump on the back of a dragon a thousand feet up. The Archdemon did not hit him once, and Riordan shredded its wing. A mortal man shredded its wing. He was able to fly maybe fifty feet. Point out when Ganondorf was ever killed with a single sword plunge from Link. Surely you do not speak of TP?

Ah yes, notice how Quanchi, due to his inability to actually argue his stance, chooses to attack a typo I made to try to come off as superior. What a clownshoe.

Bull. Shit. You have to fight through an army before you ever get to the Archdemon, oh, and tell me, what impressive feats are those?

Actually since the Archdemon is summoning Darkspawn throughout the entire fight, in this particular scenario he is fighting four people with at least dozens on his side.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Riordan was killed because he was a stupid man who thought it was a good idea to jump on the back of a dragon a thousand feet up. The Archdemon did not hit him once, and Riordan shredded its wing. A mortal man shredded its wing. He was able to fly maybe fifty feet. Point out when Ganondorf was ever killed with a single sword plunge from Link. Surely you do not speak of TP?

Ah yes, notice how Quanchi, due to his inability to actually argue his stance, chooses to attack a typo I made to try to come off as superior. What a clownshoe.

Bull. Shit. You have to fight through an army before you ever get to the Archdemon, oh, and tell me, what impressive feats are those?

Actually since the Archdemon is summoning Darkspawn throughout the entire fight, in this particular scenario he is fighting four people with at least dozens on his side. So now Riordan was a stupid man ? Lookey here who keeps changing his story before me. it feels good.

So iyo the Archdemon wasn't trying to cast him off ? Is this what you are saying ?

Yes, you do but that doesn't change the fact you're at 100 percent for the fight whereas he takes on Riordan and those warriors on the rooftop prior too.

You also have an army on your side through various points whether you call them or not.

He doesn't call the darkspawn until he's at 50 percent making his feats I brought up just as accurate.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, you don't have to but it's still via 4 to one. So of course he can call in allies as it's never one on one and cutscene he destroys elf warriors and Riordan quite easily.

Raziel rips his heart out when he wants to here he wasn't trying to kill him so there goes your point. When Raziel wanted to out went his heart.

False, Kain was ko'd and his heart ripped out by one opponent. We see he an't take that much punishment in the game nor is he portrayed as some massive tank only in your mind.

So in the game stuff doesn't cut it has to be in a cutscene......hahaha.


We see in the game what they can survive against if there aren't any cutscenes you have to have a shred of common sense to debate.

I just named all the circle, blood mages, tevinter, emissaries, one hurlock general, etc. Add them together and I bet at least 200.

You get 8 mages, 50 redcliffe, 50 dwarves, 4 golems, need I go on ? I could lap you mentally.

Prove they are weaker. This is your claim now prove it.

Golems also are made out of runic materialsl making them not ordinary iron. Please prove they are made out of ordinary iron now since that's your claim.

Guns hitting solid iron is different than an armored person who has flesh underneath it. I mean please just use your brain.


Spells don't miss it doesn't matter how quick they are. You can't counter it so please just take it and like it.

I understand Kain and the lok games you don't. That's that. You think Kain is capable of soloing armies. how about this I will gein touch with Amy hennig and I will pose this question to her. if you are right then I leave for a month if I am right you leave for a month.


Man up and accept.

Kain gets frozen by a spell and then petrified and then shattered. These are their powers which cannot be avoided. kain loses.

He destroys a couple of normal human beings, thats it. Thats not impressive.

All this "when he wants to" stuff, your ignoring completly that Kain was damaged in a cutscene by the reaver itself....Kain was badly weakened, so much so he was stooping over and in pain, weakened Kain is not A: the one in this thread and B: possible due to nobody in DAO being strong enough. Now find some video evidence.

I just showed you a video of it actually happening, it seems when real evidence is posted you wont even watch it and will still post your BS without evidence.

Doesnt have to be in a cutscene, just has to non player decision and static, e.g. always happens. How long it takes for a player or in-game item to damage something is not canon, its mechanic.

No we dont, we dont even see anything as strong as a cannon hitting a Golem in canon, and if were using common sense (you use common sense? lolz) then iron still gets penetrated easily by cannon.

Thanks for proving my point, 8 mages, so clearly their uncommon, otherwise you would get 50.

You just made the claim that their made of runic iron, which does not have a feat either I would wager, I dont think I have to prove iron is as strong as iron....

The difference is the sound and the debris, a cannon on flesh you get chunks of meat and blood, when it hits a Golem of iron, your going to get picies of metal...only difference.

what a joke, so I guess the Flash from Marvel is doomed because the Dragon age origins spells cant miss? amrite? speed is not a factor? gameplay mechanics my boy...

You dont know much to anything about Lok, nor do you understand it. You claim BS about all the characters and ignore any powers, you dont even see mto know the chronology as you speak as if BO1 Kain is the same in every way to Soul reaver/post defiance kain.

You wont get in touch with her, you will be disapointed with her answer and she will probably not even reply if you did get in touch considering Kains shown the powers and strengths that make him capable.

Kain uses teleport and kills all the mages with lightning and dimentional powers before they stop finishing the first cast (if you had played DAO, you would know their spells have a cast time).

Originally posted by Burning thought
He destroys a couple of normal human beings, thats it. Thats not impressive.

All this "when he wants to" stuff, your ignoring completly that Kain was damaged in a cutscene by the reaver itself....Kain was badly weakened, so much so he was stooping over and in pain, weakened Kain is not A: the one in this thread and B: possible due to nobody in DAO being strong enough. Now find some video evidence.

I just showed you a video of it actually happening, it seems when real evidence is posted you wont even watch it and will still post your BS without evidence.

Doesnt have to be in a cutscene, just has to non player decision and static, e.g. always happens. How long it takes for a player or in-game item to damage something is not canon, its mechanic.

No we dont, we dont even see anything as strong as a cannon hitting a Golem in canon, and if were using common sense (you use common sense? lolz) then iron still gets penetrated easily by cannon.

Thanks for proving my point, 8 mages, so clearly their uncommon, otherwise you would get 50.

You just made the claim that their made of runic iron, which does not have a feat either I would wager, I dont think I have to prove iron is as strong as iron....

The difference is the sound and the debris, a cannon on flesh you get chunks of meat and blood, when it hits a Golem of iron, your going to get picies of metal...only difference.

what a joke, so I guess the Flash from Marvel is doomed because the Dragon age origins spells cant miss? amrite? speed is not a factor? gameplay mechanics my boy...

You dont know much to anything about Lok, nor do you understand it. You claim BS about all the characters and ignore any powers, you dont even see mto know the chronology as you speak as if BO1 Kain is the same in every way to Soul reaver/post defiance kain.

You wont get in touch with her, you will be disapointed with her answer and she will probably not even reply if you did get in touch considering Kains shown the powers and strengths that make him capable.

Kain uses teleport and kills all the mages with lightning and dimentional powers before they stop finishing the first cast (if you had played DAO, you would know their spells have a cast time). Not just a couple. Do you know what a couple is ?


You ignored the damage the archdemon was by the battle. Quit being a hypocrite you aren't even bright enough to realize when I use your own logic right back against you. It's like you just don't get it any of it. It makes debate impossible when you don't understand what it is the other side is actually saying.

You played the game and I don't post video evidence but in your case since you beat it 1000 times I should just have to refresh your memory.

Raziel's intent was different there I know you just post videos with irrational thought but think about it when Raziel wanted to kill him he tore out his heart. Raziel wasn't that irrational at that point against Kain.

In game golems can't be oneshotted by anything close to a canon's damage.

You don't get 50 of anything that powerful or it would make the game lopsided. You don't understand anything I mean anything. I never said there were 1,000 mages I said close to 200 in total which I am pretty spot on whereas you are clueless about along with everything including lok characters.

So the fire and spells all pale in comparison to a cannon's firepower ? You really are funny sometimes.

Metal is harder to fragment than flesh itt's a lot more durable. this is common sense which continues to allude you.

Flash has nothing to do with it and terrible example.

When did I say I didn't grasp the chronology or what statement led you t believe that ? Post something with actual specifics not the same ribble rabble which makes no sense.

Do you accept the bet ? Come on man up. If you don't accept I just punked you and you backed down from me with something you swear is accurate.

Kain has never ever been this fast nor shown to be this fast. You act like someone who's 5.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not just a couple. Do you know what a couple is ?


You ignored the damage the archdemon was by the battle. Quit being a hypocrite you aren't even bright enough to realize when I use your own logic right back against you. It's like you just don't get it any of it. It makes debate impossible when you don't understand what it is the other side is actually saying.

You played the game and I don't post video evidence but in your case since you beat it 1000 times I should just have to refresh your memory.

Raziel's intent was different there I know you just post videos with irrational thought but think about it when Raziel wanted to kill him he tore out his heart. Raziel wasn't that irrational at that point against Kain.

In game golems can't be oneshotted by anything close to a canon's damage.

You don't get 50 of anything that powerful or it would make the game lopsided. You don't understand anything I mean anything. I never said there were 1,000 mages I said close to 200 in total which I am pretty spot on whereas you are clueless about along with everything including lok characters.

So the fire and spells all pale in comparison to a cannon's firepower ? You really are funny sometimes.

Metal is harder to fragment than flesh itt's a lot more durable. this is common sense which continues to allude you.

Flash has nothing to do with it and terrible example.

When did I say I didn't grasp the chronology or what statement led you t believe that ? Post something with actual specifics not the same ribble rabble which makes no sense.

Do you accept the bet ? Come on man up. If you don't accept I just punked you and you backed down from me with something you swear is accurate.

Kain has never ever been this fast nor shown to be this fast. You act like someone who's 5.

We dont know how much damage he was done, or if much more than a couple of heroes got a few hits on him. You cant use my own logic, its too well developed to someone like yourself. I know what your saying, and its ridiculous nad full of errors, but no evidence.

I know you dont post evidence, because theres nothing supporting you. I did play the game, but the problem is your still going to have to provide evidence for specific points, e.g. Golems canonically taking superior damage to a cannon.

Raziels intent is irrelevant, he still slashed kain in rage with his claws.

Theres nothing in-game canonically close to a cannon....theres nothing like that in DAO.

This sounds like the desperate ranting of a fanboy, all this "youz dont understand anythings!", yet you blabber on without posting any evidence for your points. Your pulling figuires out of your ass, 200 mages? nah....

Yeh, a ball of fire does not always compare to high force metal fired at speeds.

Not for a cannon, because cannons were designed to smash stone and metal, not long after which armour and stone fortresses/walls became redundant. history, common sense and facts allude you.

Perfect example, your talking rubbish I am making a fool out of you by bringing up how you drooling over gameplay mechanics is daft.

I just did, re-read it.

I dont accept any bet, you find the evidence and post it in here that current Kain could not beat an army from Amy herring herself and at most, you can actually claim you have evidence for one point of this debate instead of floundering like a fish out of water.

If I act like someone whos five you act like a newborn, drooling, blabbering and making outrageous sounds that seem to come out of your ass, along with that 200 figuire of yours. Now run off and get some evidence, practice what you preach.

Originally posted by Burning thought
We dont know how much damage he was done, or if much more than a couple of heroes got a few hits on him. You cant use my own logic, its too well developed to someone like yourself. I know what your saying, and its ridiculous nad full of errors, but no evidence.

I know you dont post evidence, because theres nothing supporting you. I did play the game, but the problem is your still going to have to provide evidence for specific points, e.g. Golems canonically taking superior damage to a cannon.

Raziels intent is irrelevant, he still slashed kain in rage with his claws.

Theres nothing in-game canonically close to a cannon....theres nothing like that in DAO.

This sounds like the desperate ranting of a fanboy, all this "youz dont understand anythings!", yet you blabber on without posting any evidence for your points. Your pulling figuires out of your ass, 200 mages? nah....

Yeh, a ball of fire does not always compare to high force metal fired at speeds.

Not for a cannon, because cannons were designed to smash stone and metal, not long after which armour and stone fortresses/walls became redundant. history, common sense and facts allude you.

Perfect example, your talking rubbish I am making a fool out of you by bringing up how you drooling over gameplay mechanics is daft.

I just did, re-read it.

I dont accept any bet, you find the evidence and post it in here that current Kain could not beat an army from Amy herring herself and at most, you can actually claim you have evidence for one point of this debate instead of floundering like a fish out of water.

If I act like someone whos five you act like a newborn, drooling, blabbering and making outrageous sounds that seem to come out of your ass, along with that 200 figuire of yours. Now run off and get some evidence, practice what you preach. So if I contacted the game creators about the archdemon's health prior to your battle who would they side with my common sense backed by the game or your fantasy where they gave him a noogy and then beat him ? I can't believe you're serious half the time.

So a canon is superior to all the magical attack spells in dragon age ? Is this your claim ? You need to prove how powerful a cannon actually is first you just keep asking me to prove everything despite the fact you don't ever back up your claims.

So someone's intent with their own claws is irrelevant ? I feel bad for you. I really do you make debate impossible you just don't understand anything.

Then prove a cannon's superior force......go right ahead.



How many mages then total then would you guess ?

How about lightning or massive balls of fire ? Is a cannon more powerful than lightning ? Can't wait to see you attempt to say yes a cannon is more powerful than the sun why you ask because it was used in lok so of course.

Yes, stone not runic golems. Now please prove golems are made of iron now. Chop chop.

Rubbish now you can't prove anything and you aren't addressing anything just a basic reply with no specifics.

You just did what ? Explain what it is you mean it addresses nothing.

So you back down which makes me know more about Kain than you. You claim to be right but I will bet I am right because unlike you I get Kain. I won't say Kain can beat the Living Tribunal but I bet you would, brah.

I have posted evidence and you played the game so I should just bring it up. What did I say that was inaccurate ? An example would be nice.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So if I contacted the game creators about the archdemon's health prior to your battle who would they side with my common sense backed by the game or your fantasy where they gave him a noogy and then beat him ? I can't believe you're serious half the time.

So a canon is superior to all the magical attack spells in dragon age ? Is this your claim ? You need to prove how powerful a cannon actually is first you just keep asking me to prove everything despite the fact you don't ever back up your claims.

So someone's intent with their own claws is irrelevant ? I feel bad for you. I really do you make debate impossible you just don't understand anything.

Then prove a cannon's superior force......go right ahead.



How many mages then total then would you guess ?

How about lightning or massive balls of fire ? Is a cannon more powerful than lightning ? Can't wait to see you attempt to say yes a cannon is more powerful than the sun why you ask because it was used in lok so of course.

Yes, stone not runic golems. Now please prove golems are made of iron now. Chop chop.

Rubbish now you can't prove anything and you aren't addressing anything just a basic reply with no specifics.

You just did what ? Explain what it is you mean it addresses nothing.

So you back down which makes me know more about Kain than you. You claim to be right but I will bet I am right because unlike you I get Kain. I won't say Kain can beat the Living Tribunal but I bet you would, brah.

I have posted evidence and you played the game so I should just bring it up. What did I say that was inaccurate ? An example would be nice.

They would side with the canon of the game, e.g. the Archdemon was killed by a few Grey Wardens, primarily one. Your "common sense" does not exist, your just using the gameplay mechanics.

I showed you a vid of my claims, the only evidence so far and I apprently dont back up my claims? youve got nothing backing up yours at all. And a cannon is quantifiable, look them up here if you dont have any idea what a cannon is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannon

If my intend was to wound someone yet I stabbed them with a knife and it bounced off then my intent is irrelevant because my stab was completly repelled, I reverse that on you. You dont understand the games, how a games vs debate goes which is worse because you cant debate in the first place and then you smother your daft statements by the fact you have no evidence.

I would not guess, its nobodies place to just "guess". Thats what your trying to do, but its not good enough is it....we can only deduct that their not numerous, as their major holdings were taken over by Demons.

A cannon as a weapon would be, because fire is not a piercing shot of PSI and lightning rarely actually kills people compared to guns

Why would I attempt to prove anything more? youve not proven a single thing, I have at least one piece of evidence that wins this argument for me by itself. Its your turn to provide "something" at least.

You dont have any clue about Kain or most of the LoK universe, and I wouldnt claim he can beat the LT, but then I would not claim the featless Archdemon is a match for Kain, Ganondorf or much of anything either, you would

Erm no you shouldnt, you should just give me evidence like I am asking for chuckles, you cant sit there asking for evidence but giving none. post a source or a video or gtfo of this thread with your fanboyish nonsense.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I'm starting to learn that. Gotta say you LLLC gais must be getting bored of arguing for Twilight Princess though. You have noooo idea. Give me some OoT/MM or aLttP! D:

Or preferably Omni-Link. 131

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You have noooo idea. Give me some OoT/MM or aLttP! D:

Or preferably Omni-Link. 131

WW Link gets no love? What about the other half dozen Link's out there?

I'll see your Omni-Link, and raise you an Omni-Mario.313

Just realized, Omni-Link would also include this little fella.

http://insidermedia.ign.com/insider/image/linkfoe14_640w.jpg

Originally posted by quanchi112
So now Riordan was a stupid man ? Lookey here who keeps changing his story before me. it feels good.

So iyo the Archdemon wasn't trying to cast him off ? Is this what you are saying ?

Yes, you do but that doesn't change the fact you're at 100 percent for the fight whereas he takes on Riordan and those warriors on the rooftop prior too.

You also have an army on your side through various points whether you call them or not.

He doesn't call the darkspawn until he's at 50 percent making his feats I brought up just as accurate. 1. Please be a sweety and point out where I ever said Riordan was not a stupid man. Riordan was killed by stupidity and gravity.

Oh it was, but it also had trouble doing so. Apparently the Archdemon is a big enough pussy to have trouble shaking off a mortal man. What a raging *****.

You mean those normal warriors who pierced him with their normal arrows? Punk-ass ***** cannot fight the heroes alone, needs an army.

You have a small army yes. The Archdemon has a nigh-limitless army of Darkspawn. The Darkspawn outnumbered you by a considerable amount, and yet the Archdemon still died. What an incompetent loser.

You missed the part where you had to fight through a city of Darkspawn to even get to him. Friggin pussy was hiding.

I think someone here needs to come to terms with the fact that Dragon Age is just not a very powerful verse at all. Not like that makes it bad or any less interesting.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
WW Link gets no love? What about the other half dozen Link's out there?

I'll see your Omni-Link, and raise you an Omni-Mario.313

Just realized, Omni-Link would also include this little fella.

non-canon game is non-canon...

now don't ever bring it up again.

Originally posted by Cyner
non-canon game is non-canon...

now don't ever bring it up again.

Well excuuuuuuuuuuuse me, Cyner.

Seriously though, FoE Link took out Ganon in one shot. Legit powerful.

And I'm just having fun, not being serious.

And why are we talking about Zelda again?

Originally posted by Burning thought
They would side with the canon of the game, e.g. the Archdemon was killed by a few Grey Wardens, primarily one. Your "common sense" does not exist, your just using the gameplay mechanics.

I showed you a vid of my claims, the only evidence so far and I apprently dont back up my claims? youve got nothing backing up yours at all. And a cannon is quantifiable, look them up here if you dont have any idea what a cannon is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannon

If my intend was to wound someone yet I stabbed them with a knife and it bounced off then my intent is irrelevant because my stab was completly repelled, I reverse that on you. You dont understand the games, how a games vs debate goes which is worse because you cant debate in the first place and then you smother your daft statements by the fact you have no evidence.

I would not guess, its nobodies place to just "guess". Thats what your trying to do, but its not good enough is it....we can only deduct that their not numerous, as their major holdings were taken over by Demons.

A cannon as a weapon would be, because fire is not a piercing shot of PSI and lightning rarely actually kills people compared to guns

Why would I attempt to prove anything more? youve not proven a single thing, I have at least one piece of evidence that wins this argument for me by itself. Its your turn to provide "something" at least.

You dont have any clue about Kain or most of the LoK universe, and I wouldnt claim he can beat the LT, but then I would not claim the featless Archdemon is a match for Kain, Ganondorf or much of anything either, you would

Erm no you shouldnt, you should just give me evidence like I am asking for chuckles, you cant sit there asking for evidence but giving none. post a source or a video or gtfo of this thread with your fanboyish nonsense. So you ignore the damage he took prior to by Riordan and the arrows and the entire battle which left him in that weakened condition ? That's called context, sport.

I played the game so I didn't need proof of that. You denied his intent which means everything in a battle. If someone is holding back and trying to kill by any means the force applied is therefore different in both scenarios. This is elementary common sense but to you intent doesn't matter.

Raziel didn't ever try to to rip his heart out until possessed by a Hylden and then he easily did so. That's the point. Raziel usually held back even against a possessed Janos despite battling him. I mean show an actual knowledge of the character I seem to know a lot more about than you could ever dream possible.

So you played the game and won't even venture a guess ? I knew you couldn't think on your own but come on this is getting a tad ridiculous.

That's not the point and lightning does kill it depends on the lightning and the power of the shot. Which do you think is more powerful lightning or a cannon ?

I already proved Kain can get his heart ripped out and that he can't dodge any spells making him easy pickens. Counter that please.

I know more about Kain than you because you won't even man up and take a bet concerning kain characters. I will try to contact her and you better believe it when she answers I am going to rub it in your face when she says your wrong.

How is the archdemon featless when we see him wreaking havoc in video. You played the game so tell me exactly what I lied about. If you played the game why post a video ?

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. Please be a sweety and point out where I ever said Riordan was not a stupid man. Riordan was killed by stupidity and gravity.

Oh it was, but it also had trouble doing so. Apparently the Archdemon is a big enough pussy to have trouble shaking off a mortal man. What a raging *****.

You mean those normal warriors who pierced him with their normal arrows? Punk-ass ***** cannot fight the heroes alone, needs an army.

You have a small army yes. The Archdemon has a nigh-limitless army of Darkspawn. The Darkspawn outnumbered you by a considerable amount, and yet the Archdemon still died. What an incompetent loser.

You missed the part where you had to fight through a city of Darkspawn to even get to him. Friggin pussy was hiding. 1.Riordan didn't have long before the taint claimed him and he forced the archdemon into being temporarily grounded and prevented long distance flight. So why wait to die exactly ? I mean did you understand how important his actions were ?

The archdemon did shake him off and killed him. Unlike Dorf he beat one grey warden whereas Dorf was impaled by someone with a month's worth of experience.

Pierced yes but died yes. Dorf was impaled both times someone used a sword against him. That's not impressive by any means. Archdemon kills whereas Dorf took out one guy in tp. What a badass.

So Link didn't have to fight through enemies to get to dorf. Do you have any knowledge of video games ? You do realize this happens all the time but rarely do you have armies at your disposal because he's that powerful. Dorf requires a young kid with a few weeks worth of training and he's neutralized.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Pierced yes but died yes. Dorf was impaled both times someone used a sword against him. That's not impressive by any means. Archdemon kills whereas Dorf took out one guy in tp. What a badass.


I just want to point out that the Archdemon was impaled both times someone used a sword against him. That's not impressive by any means. Ganondorf takes over a country while Archdemon kills. What a badass.

Originally posted by The Scenario
I just want to point out that the Archdemon was impaled both times someone used a sword against him. That's not impressive by any means. Ganondorf takes over a country while Archdemon kills. What a badass. Archdemon was beaten after a lengthy battle and by taking damage beforehand whereas Dorf was beaten twice and impaled in both events. Dorf isn't taking on the forces Archdemon spits out and if Riordan had done the damage to dorf he'd be sitting there hoping the tirforce saved him yet again.

You did notice that the first time Ganon was impaled he laughed and tore the sword right out of his chest, right? And then he was only beaten by the Master Sword aka The Plot Sword.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You did notice that the first time Ganon was impaled he laughed and tore the sword right out of his chest, right? And then he was only beaten by the Master Sword aka The Plot Sword. He didn't laugh he sat there motionless then when the power kicked in he laughed it off. If they would have moved before so they could have killed him.

The second time it failed but both times did he sit there defenseless while his enemies looked on.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Archdemon was beaten after a lengthy battle and by taking damage beforehand whereas Dorf was beaten twice and impaled in both events. Dorf isn't taking on the forces Archdemon spits out and if Riordan had done the damage to dorf he'd be sitting there hoping the tirforce saved him yet again.

That's just ridiculous. You're honestly claiming that Archdemon is better because he has a lengthy battle? If you don't remember, Ganondorf's battle had four parts, and he was only impaled after four lengthy battles. If Riordan had attacked Ganondorf, he'd probably fail to do any damage at all.

Why am I even here? Ganondorf isn't in this thread. Oh, well.

Oh, I wasn't aware that we only used characters when they were at their weakest. Well I guess then the Archdemon has some chance against him. The real Ganondorf is nigh unkillable though. You know, the one who shrugged off a sword to the chest like a bad cough.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh, I wasn't aware that we only used characters when they were at their weakest. Well I guess then the Archdemon has some chance against him. The real Ganondorf is nigh unkillable though. You know, the one who shrugged off a sword to the chest like a bad cough. He didn't shrug it off that easily and secondly it killed him the second time around. Archdemon took a sword down his back and took on four badass party members whereas Dorf sat there at his opponents mercy and got beat as soon as he showed up both times and rather easily.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He didn't shrug it off that easily and secondly it killed him the second time around. Archdemon took a sword down his back and took on four badass party members whereas Dorf sat there at his opponents mercy and got beat as soon as he showed up both times and rather easily.

After he got his power, he literally laughed at the sword and pulled it out unharmed. You cannot use his unpowered form as a baseline, because that isn't how he usually is. And once again, the Master Sword is magically imbued with the power to damage Ganondorf, and he's only impaled after four different fight. Four battles is not what I call easily.

Originally posted by The Scenario
After he got his power, he literally laughed at the sword and pulled it out unharmed. You cannot use his unpowered form as a baseline, because that isn't how he usually is. And once again, the Master Sword is magically imbued with the power to damage Ganondorf, and he's only impaled after four different fight. Four battles is not what I call easily. Yes, he did so after it gave him the necessary power after they stood there. He was impaled before and prior too. We have never seen a sword bounce off of him so you can't suggest something that's never occurred don't be ridiculous.


Dorf was beaten while in another form and with the aid of a horse. he got beaten every which way by an experienced opponent.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you ignore the damage he took prior to by Riordan and the arrows and the entire battle which left him in that weakened condition ? That's called context, sport.

I played the game so I didn't need proof of that. You denied his intent which means everything in a battle. If someone is holding back and trying to kill by any means the force applied is therefore different in both scenarios. This is elementary common sense but to you intent doesn't matter.

Raziel didn't ever try to to rip his heart out until possessed by a Hylden and then he easily did so. That's the point. Raziel usually held back even against a possessed Janos despite battling him. I mean show an actual knowledge of the character I seem to know a lot more about than you could ever dream possible.

So you played the game and won't even venture a guess ? I knew you couldn't think on your own but come on this is getting a tad ridiculous.

That's not the point and lightning does kill it depends on the lightning and the power of the shot. Which do you think is more powerful lightning or a cannon ?

I already proved Kain can get his heart ripped out and that he can't dodge any spells making him easy pickens. Counter that please.

I know more about Kain than you because you won't even man up and take a bet concerning kain characters. I will try to contact her and you better believe it when she answers I am going to rub it in your face when she says your wrong.

How is the archdemon featless when we see him wreaking havoc in video. You played the game so tell me exactly what I lied about. If you played the game why post a video ?

Your talking about gameplay, we dont have any canon knowledge on what went on beforehand. We only know he got peppered with human arrows, and that 4 heroes, at least 1 grey Warden defeated him. As the cutscenes display, nothing impressive here.

Yes you do, because you are clueless and act like it never happened. Just like how you need proof if you belive i dont realise something important happened. Raziel was not holding back, theres not a single reason you can belive that and furthermore you can see him strike Kain, you cant take away PSI force from the edge of a blade.

Raziel had never actually hit Kain with the reaver before then either, or battered him to weakness. According to you your holding back unless you try to take someones heart? , nah, Kains deflected without harm more force than anywhere in Ferelden. You are full of ignorance my boy, full of it.

This is where debating takes a crooked turn for you, you think you can pull numbers out of your ass and guess when we want facts. Not your nonsense, especially illogical nonsense.

Cannons, guns have killed more people in the hundreds than lightning. Wait for a lightning storm over a battlefield if you like, but I would wager that my men decked out in heavy armour and cannons could take more life than thunder.

Youve not proven anything because your statements are not proof and Kains faster than anyone in fereldon so you have no claim against him not being able to escape/dodge AND he can kill them all before their casts release anyway.

That doesnt even make sense, me taking a bet is nothing to do with knowledge. You blabbering about Kain as if what he does in various chronologies or if context had no canon footing in the events is ridiculous. You better make me belive it, you better post proof thats so belivable that I could never deny it as some random poster youve asked to contact you under her name you wont be able to do it.

We see him throwing a few men, more than one person has laughed at your "wreaking havoc" nonsense. Ive played the game but apprently you have played Legacy of Kain yet you show unbelievable ignorance and mess up the storyline, hence why I have to show you something. its called evidence which is something you have to provide even if you think I have seen it.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Your talking about gameplay, we dont have any canon knowledge on what went on beforehand. We only know he got peppered with human arrows, and that 4 heroes, at least 1 grey Warden defeated him. As the cutscenes display, nothing impressive here.

Yes you do, because you are clueless and act like it never happened. Just like how you need proof if you belive i dont realise something important happened. Raziel was not holding back, theres not a single reason you can belive that and furthermore you can see him strike Kain, you cant take away PSI force from the edge of a blade.

Raziel had never actually hit Kain with the reaver before then either, or battered him to weakness. According to you your holding back unless you try to take someones heart? , nah, Kains deflected without harm more force than anywhere in Ferelden. You are full of ignorance my boy, full of it.

This is where debating takes a crooked turn for you, you think you can pull numbers out of your ass and guess when we want facts. Not your nonsense, especially illogical nonsense.

Cannons, guns have killed more people in the hundreds than lightning. Wait for a lightning storm over a battlefield if you like, but I would wager that my men decked out in heavy armour and cannons could take more life than thunder.

Youve not proven anything because your statements are not proof and Kains faster than anyone in fereldon so you have no claim against him not being able to escape/dodge AND he can kill them all before their casts release anyway.

That doesnt even make sense, me taking a bet is nothing to do with knowledge. You blabbering about Kain as if what he does in various chronologies or if context had no canon footing in the events is ridiculous. You better make me belive it, you better post proof thats so belivable that I could never deny it as some random poster youve asked to contact you under her name you wont be able to do it.

We see him throwing a few men, more than one person has laughed at your "wreaking havoc" nonsense. Ive played the game but apprently you have played Legacy of Kain yet you show unbelievable ignorance and mess up the storyline, hence why I have to show you something. its called evidence which is something you have to provide even if you think I have seen it. He didn't just get peppered with arrows he got sword slashed all over his body from Riordan. He took a lot of damage and he still needs to be weakened so that is canon you can't just run up and kill him use your head.


Raziel wasn't trying to kill Kain until he was possessed because he always sought answers and wasn't quick to bloodshed. Do you even understand who Raziel was or get the character at all ?

Kain was battered to weakness and him holding back while Raziel wasn't cost him his heart. I understand these characters unlike you.

How many mages were there then ? Take an educated guess.

Kain is fast but the mages can't miss so he is screwed his speed doesn't matter.

My point is she will back up Kain not being able to solo armies because it's ridiculous and makes you a huge fanboy.

When has Kain dominated mini forces like the Archdemon has ?

Gameplay mechanic isn't relevant here. The fact that they can't miss in the game doesn't mean anything in a vs fight. That's like saying the mages could hit Thanos or Galactus regardless of how fast they were traveling. Hell they'd even hit Sentry and Sonic.

His "Weakness" was slowly winning Raziel over actually and he was at least up for listening to him near the end but he chalked it all up to BS when he felt Vae Victus draining him.

Also Riordan didn't use any special blade or powers, he simply slashed and cut him and then balista arrows were able to stun and harm it. It's durability is horrible and Kain would cleave right through the Archdemon regardless if someone hurt it or not prior to their fight.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Gameplay mechanic isn't relevant here. The fact that they can't miss in the game doesn't mean anything in a vs fight. That's like saying the mages could hit Thanos or Galactus regardless of how fast they were traveling. Hell they'd even hit Sentry and Sonic.

His "Weakness" was slowly winning Raziel over actually and he was at least up for listening to him near the end but he chalked it all up to BS when he felt Vae Victus draining him.

Also Riordan didn't use any special blade or powers, he simply slashed and cut him and then balista arrows were able to stun and harm it. It's durability is horrible and Kain would cleave right through the Archdemon regardless if someone hurt it or not prior to their fight. They'd have to move behind an object or use a power that negated something or a forcefield that prevents it. You can't just say their attacks miss when it's clear in the game if not interrupted by an attack or hit by something in the environment they don't miss.

What weakness ? My point was that Raziel still had the power and strength in his claws to rip out his heart. Not saying he can do it when he wants to but if he gets the opportunity he does have the strength to pull it off.

Damn, Flash better watch out for those mages then.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Damn, Flash better watch out for those mages then. He's too fast for them and could kill them before they even enacted a spell. Kain isn't 1/1000 as fast as the Flash.

Let us say Flash were to stand still and let the mage fire the spell, and then try to dodge it.

Could he?

What happens in the game is not the highest form of evidence especially since they are shooting it at things with little to no speed feats and their speed is basically at most on par with a normal human. In the game it's hitting people who aren't even trying to dodge!

Yes, so what's your point in mentioning Raziel has the power and strength to rip his heart out? Raziel has been seen pushing, pulling and I believe lifting blocks that were at least 20-40 tons in weight. The only one from DA that could compete with him in strength is Shale and that's mainly on speculation.

Golems bigger than Shale have been killed by mortals.

Shale is nowhere near as strong as Raziel.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Let us say Flash were to stand still and let the mage fire the spell, and then try to dodge it.

Could he?

No, not even if he stole their speed. Flash needs to negate it or put up a shield.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
What happens in the game is not the highest form of evidence especially since they are shooting it at things with little to no speed feats and their speed is basically at most on par with a normal human. In the game it's hitting people who aren't even trying to dodge!

Yes, so what's your point in mentioning Raziel has the power and strength to rip his heart out? Raziel has been seen pushing, pulling and I believe lifting blocks that were at least 20-40 tons in weight. The only one from DA that could compete with him in strength is Shale and that's mainly on speculation. They are trying to dodge but the game plays out different than an action game so we don't see them dodging for the most part. we do know rogues are much better at avoiding attacks and in this game there is now way for them to dodge these blows. We also know Kain is faaster than any human but still can't run circles around them either. Moebius was quick enough the first time in defiance to catch him off guard with his power but Kain was prepared for it and used his tk the second time he came around. Moebius just has human level reactions too so if you have more than one mage Kain can't avoid it or prevent two at one time.

I see ogres or golems roughly being around the same level. They don't need to rip his heart out anyways to beat him nor did I claim I see someone doing so.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Golems bigger than Shale have been killed by mortals.

Shale is nowhere near as strong as Raziel. Normal mortals have also killed every vampire in the game at one point save Kain. Killing someone doesn't mean you are stronger than someone. You can't possibly be serious with this point by any means. It makes no sense.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He didn't just get peppered with arrows he got sword slashed all over his body from Riordan. He took a lot of damage and he still needs to be weakened so that is canon you can't just run up and kill him use your head.


Raziel wasn't trying to kill Kain until he was possessed because he always sought answers and wasn't quick to bloodshed. Do you even understand who Raziel was or get the character at all ?

Kain was battered to weakness and him holding back while Raziel wasn't cost him his heart. I understand these characters unlike you.

How many mages were there then ? Take an educated guess.

Kain is fast but the mages can't miss so he is screwed his speed doesn't matter.

My point is she will back up Kain not being able to solo armies because it's ridiculous and makes you a huge fanboy.

When has Kain dominated mini forces like the Archdemon has ?

weak mortal weapons>Archdemon, and only a few of them too. you cant just run up and kill him? thats exactly what the Grey Warden did.

Raziel throught he already had the answers, that Kain was a arrogant and evil vampire who desecrated his tomb which was enough to put him into a rage, either way he slashed Kain without damage. regardless if Raziel wanted it or not, if he did that to the Archdemon, a golem or indeed a man he would disembowel him. I dont think you get any of the characters or the scene itself.

Yeh thats exactly what I said, Kains not going to be battered to weakness or holding back in this fight is he...."use your head" hypocrite.

Probably around 50 in Fereldon.

His speed doesnt matter? if speed doesnt matter then its the same as claiming the Flash in my example earlier could not dodge them your so daft...as the others have tried to make you see sense, gameplay mechanics are not counted. Kains faster than anyone in Fereldon.

When the fiction itself, and the characters themselves show the ability and capacity to solo armies I think its you who have been made the fool of.

mini forces? irrelevant "when" he has when he can dominate armies isntit really. And Kain fought his way through Demons,far stronger than men after having his heart ripped out and by being blasted through a dimension wall by Raziels Tk.....

Archdemon could not handle one of those Demons.


Originally posted by quanchi112
They are trying to dodge but the game plays out different than an action game so we don't see them dodging for the most part. we do know rogues are much better at avoiding attacks and in this game there is now way for them to dodge these blows. We also know Kain is faaster than any human but still can't run circles around them either. Moebius was quick enough the first time in defiance to catch him off guard with his power but Kain was prepared for it and used his tk the second time he came around. Moebius just has human level reactions too so if you have more than one mage Kain can't avoid it or prevent two at one time.

I see ogres or golems roughly being around the same level. They don't need to rip his heart out anyways to beat him nor did I claim I see someone doing so.



Gameplay mechanics. Kain is beyond anyone in Fereldon in physical speed and using teleports goes beyond that by a fai margin, take into account they cant react to him and their cast times work against them they will be dead before they get any magic off. Moebius has a staff that works almost passively and on a whim, mage spells take longer. Moeibus' staff has nothing to do with his reactions, and Kain was not trying to kill him like he would be to Fereldon mages.

You see a lot of strange things dont you, those are featless and nowhere near as strong. 40-50 tonnes per block and 100 tonnes (Raziel can move 2) or more (Raziel moves an Obelisk far larger than said blocks in SR2) is a lot of weight, far more than Fereldon could best.

Then take into account Kain can take that much strength through the PSI of a blades edge and so he is immune to pretty much any physical attacks they could possibly master.

Originally posted by Burning thought
weak mortal weapons>Archdemon, and only a few of them too. you cant just run up and kill him? thats exactly what the Grey Warden did.

Raziel throught he already had the answers, that Kain was a arrogant and evil vampire who desecrated his tomb which was enough to put him into a rage, either way he slashed Kain without damage. regardless if Raziel wanted it or not, if he did that to the Archdemon, a golem or indeed a man he would disembowel him. I dont think you get any of the characters or the scene itself.

Yeh thats exactly what I said, Kains not going to be battered to weakness or holding back in this fight is he...."use your head" hypocrite.

Probably around 50 in Fereldon.

His speed doesnt matter? if speed doesnt matter then its the same as claiming the Flash in my example earlier could not dodge them your so daft...as the others have tried to make you see sense, gameplay mechanics are not counted. Kains faster than anyone in Fereldon.

When the fiction itself, and the characters themselves show the ability and capacity to solo armies I think its you who have been made the fool of.

mini forces? irrelevant "when" he has when he can dominate armies isntit really. And Kain fought his way through Demons,far stronger than men after having his heart ripped out and by being blasted through a dimension wall by Raziels Tk.....

Archdemon could not handle one of those Demons.




Gameplay mechanics. Kain is beyond anyone in Fereldon in physical speed and using teleports goes beyond that by a fai margin, take into account they cant react to him and their cast times work against them they will be dead before they get any magic off. Moebius has a staff that works almost passively and on a whim, mage spells take longer. Moeibus' staff has nothing to do with his reactions, and Kain was not trying to kill him like he would be to Fereldon mages.

You see a lot of strange things dont you, those are featless and nowhere near as strong. 40-50 tonnes per block and 100 tonnes (Raziel can move 2) or more (Raziel moves an Obelisk far larger than said blocks in SR2) is a lot of weight, far more than Fereldon could best.

Then take into account Kain can take that much strength through the PSI of a blades edge and so he is immune to pretty much any physical attacks they could possibly master. Right after a long battle, Riordan's damage, and arrows to him pre battle. To ignore this is to ignore context and be burning thought the man who won't even take a lok bet because I understand the characters better than you do.

Intent is everything and we've seen he can do so so what are you even arguing ? He did so so shut up and like it.

He will get battered into weakness here, a few mages with a few ogres and he's fighting for his life. You throw a boss or two at him and he's screwed.

50-----You get 8 in your army have about 4-8 in all of the downloadable content alone. You are forgetting the circle of magi, the blood mages, the crazy hermit, uldred, first enchanter irving, the hurlock general mage, zathrian, and I haven't even gotten to the various emissaries littered throughout the game and the dc. You say 50........that's so far off it's not even remotely close.

His speed doesn't matter the Flash's would but he's not even close and we've seen him beaten up and affected by human speed before. Don't try and go all cbr on me and quit ignoring how he's portrayed.

Kain hasn't soloed an army and ran from one so if anything he's been shown to be smart enough to pick and choose his battles he can't help it if his fans make ridiculous claims he can solo armies when he never even challenged one himself but fled instead.

Kain fought demons but never an organized army lwith the sheer numbers as the darkspawn, ever. Not once.

Archdemon would wreck all of those demons.

Prove Kain is. You claim it prove it.

Mages spells do take longer but they have guys in between himself and Kain not just one on one conflicts Kain had with Moebius. I already stated this start responding to what I actually say not just repeating yourself, sport.

Speculation you can't prove and strength doesn't matter here when there are a whole lot of other factors involved, kiddo.

Kain isn't immune to water. That's all they need is just a little water and he loses. Laughs.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Right after a long battle, Riordan's damage, and arrows to him pre battle. To ignore this is to ignore context and be burning thought the man who won't even take a lok bet because I understand the characters better than you do.

Intent is everything and we've seen he can do so so what are you even arguing ? He did so so shut up and like it.

He will get battered into weakness here, a few mages with a few ogres and he's fighting for his life. You throw a boss or two at him and he's screwed.

50-----You get 8 in your army have about 4-8 in all of the downloadable content alone. You are forgetting the circle of magi, the blood mages, the crazy hermit, uldred, first enchanter irving, the hurlock general mage, zathrian, and I haven't even gotten to the various emissaries littered throughout the game and the dc. You say 50........that's so far off it's not even remotely close.

His speed doesn't matter the Flash's would but he's not even close and we've seen him beaten up and affected by human speed before. Don't try and go all cbr on me and quit ignoring how he's portrayed.

Kain hasn't soloed an army and ran from one so if anything he's been shown to be smart enough to pick and choose his battles he can't help it if his fans make ridiculous claims he can solo armies when he never even challenged one himself but fled instead.

Kain fought demons but never an organized army lwith the sheer numbers as the darkspawn, ever. Not once.

Archdemon would wreck all of those demons.

Prove Kain is. You claim it prove it.

Mages spells do take longer but they have guys in between himself and Kain not just one on one conflicts Kain had with Moebius. I already stated this start responding to what I actually say not just repeating yourself, sport.

Speculation you can't prove and strength doesn't matter here when there are a whole lot of other factors involved, kiddo.

Kain isn't immune to water. That's all they need is just a little water and he loses. Laughs.

As i said, you clearly understand very little about Games vs, games themselves and their characters. All we know is that the Dragon was beaten, and the cutscene shows 4 people, 1 of which guts it like a fish.

Intent is nothing to do with it, if I shot someone with a gun with the intent just to wound but it blasted a hole in their heart my intent means nothing, the damage still happens. its the same here, your dont have any clue do you?

Theres about 30 at most in your list, I said 50 because of Emissaries. Thats probably as close as your going to get to a round figuire. The circle of mages were pretty much destroyed, not that there were many wizards of there of note, even before it was devastated looking in the rooms showed us most of the people there were apprentices who set themselves on fire

Yeh thats being a hypocrite, the speed of one person matters but the speed of another dont? Kain and certainly the flash are beyond in speed than the whole of Dragonage as I said. You have not even got a single piece of footing.

Kains shown he can defeat any army of enemies human or slightly above, thats what Fereldon uses. Their screwed just by Kain himself.

An organised army? since when are the Darkspawn "organised"? Their tactics consist of sending hordes at their opponents.

Yeh thats a pathetic little statement, the featless Archdemon who gets pierced by arrows is going to win vs demons...I lold. The fact they can take some punishment for Raziel and trade blows with him make them superior to anything in DAO by themselves.

I did, above you see the video? the only one in the entire thread....nothing youve said is proven.

They take ages, Kain can avoid anyone in between with a teleport.

Speculation? what concerning Fereldon? if they dont have feats then they dont have the strength, simple fact in a debate. If you cant bring the facts to the table then your wasting my time, and what factors exactly? any other factor LoK has them beat even more so, the strength is just the reason why Kain walks through as many Darkspawn and soldiers as he wants, killing them as he goes.

He may as well be, the amount of water they would need coupled with the fact he is faster than they can react makes water useless. Acid is like water to a vampire, acid to a human takes a fair amount of time to dissolve, couple that with the fact Kain and most vampires are so much more dense than human body forms and have fast regen....water is useless.

Kain picks up the Brood Mother and Carridon in each hand, smashes their heads in and precedes to kick the Archdemos head off....Kain wins.

Originally posted by Burning thought
As i said, you clearly understand very little about Games vs, games themselves and their characters. All we know is that the Dragon was beaten, and the cutscene shows 4 people, 1 of which guts it like a fish.

Intent is nothing to do with it, if I shot someone with a gun with the intent just to wound but it blasted a hole in their heart my intent means nothing, the damage still happens. its the same here, your dont have any clue do you?

Theres about 30 at most in your list, I said 50 because of Emissaries. Thats probably as close as your going to get to a round figuire. The circle of mages were pretty much destroyed, not that there were many wizards of there of note, even before it was devastated looking in the rooms showed us most of the people there were apprentices who set themselves on fire

Yeh thats being a hypocrite, the speed of one person matters but the speed of another dont? Kain and certainly the flash are beyond in speed than the whole of Dragonage as I said. You have not even got a single piece of footing.

Kains shown he can defeat any army of enemies human or slightly above, thats what Fereldon uses. Their screwed just by Kain himself.

An organised army? since when are the Darkspawn "organised"? Their tactics consist of sending hordes at their opponents.

Yeh thats a pathetic little statement, the featless Archdemon who gets pierced by arrows is going to win vs demons...I lold. The fact they can take some punishment for Raziel and trade blows with him make them superior to anything in DAO by themselves.

I did, above you see the video? the only one in the entire thread....nothing youve said is proven.

They take ages, Kain can avoid anyone in between with a teleport.

Speculation? what concerning Fereldon? if they dont have feats then they dont have the strength, simple fact in a debate. If you cant bring the facts to the table then your wasting my time, and what factors exactly? any other factor LoK has them beat even more so, the strength is just the reason why Kain walks through as many Darkspawn and soldiers as he wants, killing them as he goes.

He may as well be, the amount of water they would need coupled with the fact he is faster than they can react makes water useless. Acid is like water to a vampire, acid to a human takes a fair amount of time to dissolve, couple that with the fact Kain and most vampires are so much more dense than human body forms and have fast regen....water is useless.

Kain picks up the Brood Mother and Carridon in each hand, smashes their heads in and precedes to kick the Archdemos head off....Kain wins. We do know you had to weaken it and we do know Riordan and a mini force on the roof helped. That's what we do know quit playing ignorant it's cute an dall but becomes rather silly after a time.

If someone is trying to kill me with a punch or trying to just fight me the intent changes the force used. Do you think people mistakenly kill people all the time ? No, when Raziel wanted his heart it came out of his chest.

We meet more than thirty throughout the course of game and if you play as a mage you see tons of mages prior to ostagar.


You also see a whole bunch in Morrigan's dc which I assume you didn't play.

The speed by Kain isn't enough of a difference to matter whereas the Flash's is. Unless you feel varying degrees of speed is some sort of joke I am right once again.

When has Kain shown he can defeat armies with humans ? I seem to recall him fleeing from the Nemesis' army but what am I not remembering ?

Dc the darkspawn are intelligent and very organized and when it comes to the mindless ones compelled to listen to the archdemon they are too big of a force guided by the generals and the archdemon.

Yes, what feats do these demons have ? I named archdemon feats now your turn. You don't even make sense at this point it's just unbackable claim after unbackable claim.

Based on what ?

What have I stated exactly that I haven't offered evidence for to prove ?


Kain can be killed by simple water and can be frozen what gives you the idea their weapons can't hurt him or their powers ? What did Kain do in the games which gave you this idea ?

They can freeze him or petrify him and don't need that much water either. Prove Kain is faster and can beat armies before they can react.

This is typical of your childish responses which make no sense. I accept your concession. They wreck nosgoth.

The cutscene shows only 4 greywardens. Riordan simply cut its wings but thats about it.

No, when Kain was weakened and damaged greviously by the soul reaver he was weak enough for this to happen. Does not change the fact an enraged Raziel slashes with his bodyweight included at Kain and does nothing.

You dont see "tons", you see a lot of apprentcies more than anything.

Yeh thats a base lie, is not enough to matter? lol, based on what? feats? clearly not.....

Your forgetting the part where Kain can take more damage on him than tanks.

Youve not backed up any claims, it took other people to back up your claims that the Archdemon can be peppered with human arrows and slashed up by weak people with swords.

Youve not got a piece of evidence in your posts....get a video or a source.

No he cant, his body burns if hes immersed in water and his too durable to be harmed by any of their weapons.

I have proven, the cast time is slow and Kain can teleport, e.g. movement without actually taking time to move.

Not really, the only evidence in this thread supports me lol.....go check your sources and re-play the games, your clueless. Kain wrecks Ferelden by himself.

Originally posted by Burning thought
The cutscene shows only 4 greywardens. Riordan simply cut its wings but thats about it.

No, when Kain was weakened and damaged greviously by the soul reaver he was weak enough for this to happen. Does not change the fact an enraged Raziel slashes with his bodyweight included at Kain and does nothing.

You dont see "tons", you see a lot of apprentcies more than anything.

Yeh thats a base lie, is not enough to matter? lol, based on what? feats? clearly not.....

Your forgetting the part where Kain can take more damage on him than tanks.

Youve not backed up any claims, it took other people to back up your claims that the Archdemon can be peppered with human arrows and slashed up by weak people with swords.

Youve not got a piece of evidence in your posts....get a video or a source.

No he cant, his body burns if hes immersed in water and his too durable to be harmed by any of their weapons.

I have proven, the cast time is slow and Kain can teleport, e.g. movement without actually taking time to move.

Not really, the only evidence in this thread supports me lol.....go check your sources and re-play the games, your clueless. Kain wrecks Ferelden by himself. Riordan cuts all over him and arrows pierce him and he still takes on the party after all of this. This is all canon too, sport.

There aren't ever four grey wardens ever assembled at one time who take him on so please wake up and actually try to understand just one game you actually play through. You don't even know what a grey warden is it seems.


It doesn't change that he has the strength to do so when he wants to at any time provided the opportunity arises.

You see three enchanters. abominations who are possess mages as well, and lots of mages and apprentices count as well as mages. Jowan was an apprentice and was powerful enough to temporaily ko Irving and Greagoir. Booyah.

How is it a lie ? You don't even know what a grey warden is so I doubt you can spot a mage either.

Kain can't and tanks can't be ripped apart by Raziel's claws.

You played the game and which claims ?

Which claims ? Which claims? Which claims ? Do you understand english ? I have asked you several times and have yet to get an answer. I mean actually have a point or pose something to me specifically not more general or vague sentences which address nothing.

What video or evidence are you disputing ?

When has Kain shown he can resist their weapons or any weapons in his own game ? Examples of his skin being too durable to be pierced or slashed please.

Kain can teleport but there are droves of enemies in between he and the mages and we've seen him not fast enough to even tear apart an army of humans. So where are these faster than light speed feats of Kain ?

Kain hasn't wrecked an army by himself. You don't understand either of these games and I replace you as a Kain supporter as you simply don't understand both he as a character or what he's actually capable of.