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(not trying to troll or anything, simply something to talk about and discuss in this case)

1. Why would they leave clues for us to discover? If they want to stay secretive why would they leave a bunch of symbols and such on the dollar bill and other stuff? Wouldn't that give them away? Similar thing with the supposed illuminati celebrities.

2. How do they keep it a secret? How could they manage to keep thousands of people that were involved with helping the survivors of 911 quite? Keeping a secret between 2 people is hard enough. Keeping a secret between thousands of people is virtually impossible.

3. Why would they want to do this? If this conspiracy theory is as old as some people claim, why would a president 60 or more years ago want to help out? The illuminati is generally portrayed as an evil, self centered society, so it probably isn't for the greater good in this case. Yet they probably wouldn't get to live to see the conspiracy unfold. What incentive do they have? Money? Where do they get that money from? Who would want to pay them when they themselves would also not benefit from it?

Originally posted by KMCmember
(not trying to troll or anything, simply something to talk about and discuss in this case)

1. Why would they leave clues for us to discover? If they want to stay secretive why would they leave a bunch of symbols and such on the dollar bill and other stuff? Wouldn't that give them away? Similar thing with the supposed illuminati celebrities.

2. How do they keep it a secret? How could they manage to keep thousands of people that were involved with helping the survivors of 911 quite? Keeping a secret between 2 people is hard enough. Keeping a secret between thousands of people is virtually impossible.

3. Why would they want to do this? If this conspiracy theory is as old as some people claim, why would a president 60 or more years ago want to help out? The illuminati is generally portrayed as an evil, self centered society, so it probably isn't for the greater good in this case. Yet they probably wouldn't get to live to see the conspiracy unfold. What incentive do they have? Money? Where do they get that money from? Who would want to pay them when they themselves would also not benefit from it?

1: its called there sick way of showing us whos in charge. fortunately for them they know the dumbed down public will never catch on.

2: who said thousands of people were in the know on 9/11?? many thousands of people may of carried out specific jobs that helped the conspiracy but i assure you they knew nothing of how there individual efforts contributed to the 9/11 attacks.

for example at a supermarket, if the owners at the top of the pyramid wanted to poison the shoppers and one of the shelf fillers put out the poison food, would he or she be responsible for the poisonings? no because he didn't know how is there contribution is affecting things.

thats how these people work. the elite at the top know everything while as you go furthur down the pyramid, the people or workers no nothing on how there jobs contribute to the big picture.

so in truth its very simple how they achieve there goals.

3: they are like a sub species of our own species. they have an ideology, veyr similar to a religion where they think that humans are cattle and that they need to control us. its what they believe in and it doesn't matter if they will be alive or not at the end of it. that is THEIR RELIGION and goal, and they will fight to achieve that said goal, which is one world government, a population reduction , and micro chipped people. the chip would track everywhere you go and you would not be able to buy or sell without it. this would be an absolute nightmare and people of this age wouldnt stand for it. these elitists are very patient and will wait as long as it takes.

some people suggest they have a 2012 deadline or something stupid like that. the fact is that our generation will probably never see the microchip or world government. it will be out grand kids. and by that time i fear there will be no rebellion left and the elite can finally carry out there goals.

it is very scary and they need to be outed now. before its too late

Originally posted by Deano
1: its called there sick way of showing us whos in charge. fortunately for them they know the dumbed down public will never catch on.

2: who said thousands of people were in the know on 9/11?? many thousands of people may of carried out specific jobs that helped the conspiracy but i assure you they knew nothing of how there individual efforts contributed to the 9/11 attacks.

for example at a supermarket, if the owners at the top of the pyramid wanted to poison the shoppers and one of the shelf fillers put out the poison food, would he or she be responsible for the poisonings? no because he didn't know how is there contribution is affecting things.

thats how these people work. the elite at the top know everything while as you go furthur down the pyramid, the people or workers no nothing on how there jobs contribute to the big picture.

so in truth its very simple how they achieve there goals.

3: they are like a sub species of our own species. they have an ideology, veyr similar to a religion where they think that humans are cattle and that they need to control us. its what they believe in and it doesn't matter if they will be alive or not at the end of it. that is THEIR RELIGION and goal, and they will fight to achieve that said goal, which is one world government, a population reduction , and micro chipped people. the chip would track everywhere you go and you would not be able to buy or sell without it. this would be an absolute nightmare and people of this age wouldnt stand for it. these elitists are very patient and will wait as long as it takes.

some people suggest they have a 2012 deadline or something stupid like that. the fact is that our generation will probably never see the microchip or world government. it will be out grand kids. and by that time i fear there will be no rebellion left and the elite can finally carry out there goals.

it is very scary and they need to be outed now. before its too late

1. Why would they give away clues to their existence simply to gloat? That's rather retarded of them. These supposed conspirators don't seem to be as intelligent as they may appear to be.

2. (note: some of this came partly from websites)

What about the fire departments? They lost many comrades and have an extensive knowledge on this time of thing. Why wouldn't they launch an investigation?

What about the police? Why wouldn't they launch or ask for an investigation?

What about the passengers on the airplane? Isn't that 911 movie mostly true? If there really were missiles that hit the pentagon instead of an airplane, what's up with the phone calls?

What about the survivors of 911 (if there were any)?

What about the widows and widowers?

What about private investigators?

What about the photographers and news people?

What about NIST?

What about structural engineers? How come not one reputable engineer wrote a paper analyzing the 911 attacks?

The people that set off the dentonations.

The airphone people that got calls from passengers.

The Bush Administration



Also, what about the FBI, CIA, FEMA and numerous other people?



Conspiracy theories involving more than a handful of people almost always fail, because it's almost impossible to keep thousands of people quite. Even with only a few people conspiracy theories often times fail, ie the watergate scandal, and I'm pretty sure that Nixon was smarter than Bush.





Also, George Bush would likely be into it, and he wasn't exactly the most competent president ever. I have doubts as to his capability to pull off such a conspiracy.

3. This is a little far fetched and unsupported. Why would so many people of the nation's elite be crazy barbarian orientated in ideals for a stupid, irrational reason and yet at the same time be smart enough to pull off impossible conspiracy theories and elaborate hoaxes?

Originally posted by KMCmember
1. Why would they give away clues to their existence simply to gloat? That's rather retarded of them. These supposed conspirators don't seem to be as intelligent as they may appear to be.

i dont know you will have to ask them yes they are intelligent and they have obvious motives for revealing there plans through symbology. they are occultists and maybe they have to announce their plans in some measure and somehow gain mass acceptance through deception. then again they are probably just arrogant

2. (note: some of this came partly from websites)


mm you really should research more
http://firefightersfor911truth.org/



they would never allow an investigation of 9/11.



look, missiles hitting the pentagon is another conspiracy theory. i never supported that idea anyway. the point is not whether it was a missile or plane but rather who is behind the attacks and thats the important thing to discuss


what do you mean if there were any? if you dont know the details how can you ask the question.
mm no one survived the plane crash


what about them?



as above



what are you asking me?

they are official bullshitter's for the government.nothing they say can be trusted.



14 Structural Engineers Now Publicly Challenge Government's Explanation for Destruction of the World Trade Center
14 structural engineers now publicly challenge the government's account of the destruction of the Trade Centers on 9/11:
A prominent engineer with 55 years experience, in charge of the design of hundreds of major building projects including high rise offices, former member of the California Seismic Safety Commission and former member of the National Institute of Sciences Building Safety Council (Marx Ayres) believes that the World Trade Centers were brought down by controlled demolition (see also this)
Two professors of structural engineering at a prestigious Swiss university (Dr. Joerg Schneider and Dr. Hugo Bachmann) said that, on 9/11, World Trade Center 7 was brought down by controlled demolition (translation here)
Kamal S. Obeid, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Berkeley, of Fremont, California, says:
"Photos of the steel, evidence about how the buildings collapsed, the unexplainable collapse of WTC 7, evidence of thermite in the debris as well as several other red flags, are quite troubling indications of well planned and controlled demolition"
Ronald H. Brookman, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Davis, of Novato California, writes:
"Why would all 110 stories drop straight down to the ground in about 10 seconds, pulverizing the contents into dust and ash - twice. Why would all 47 stories of WTC 7 fall straight down to the ground in about seven seconds the same day? It was not struck by any aircraft or engulfed in any fire. An independent investigation is justified for all three collapses including the surviving steel samples and the composition of the dust."
Graham John Inman, structural engineer, of London, England, points out:
"WTC 7 Building could not have collapsed as a result of internal fire and external debris. NO plane hit this building. This is the only case of a steel frame building collapsing through fire in the world. The fire on this building was small & localized therefore what is the cause?"
Paul W. Mason, structural engineer, of Melbourne, Australia, argues:
"In my view, the chances of the three buildings collapsing symmetrically into their own footprint, at freefall speed, by any other means than by controlled demolition, are so remote that there is no other plausible explanation!"
Mills M. Kay Mackey, structural engineer, of Denver, Colorado, points out:
"The force from the jets and the burning fuel could not have been sufficient to make the building collapse. Why doesn't the media mention that the 11th floor was completely immolated on February 13th, 1975? It had the weight of nearly 100 stories on top of it but it did not collapse?"
Haluk Akol, Structural Engineer and architect (ret.)
Charles Pegelow, structural engineer, of Houston, Texas (and see this)
Dennis Kollar, structural engineer, of West Bend, Wisconsin
Doyle Winterton, structural engineer (retired)
Michael T. Donly, P.E., structural engineer
William Rice, P.E., structural engineer, former professor of Vermont Technical College
There are many other structural engineers who have questioned the government's account in private. We support them and wish them courage to discuss these vital issues publicly.
http://georgewashington.blogspot.com...-have-now.html



its not hard to control someone



what about it? what are you asking me here?



they are puppets with no real power. many of the administration are probably clueless. its only an handful that know whats going on





research it man. its easy explainable





i think you need to research false flag attacks in history. read up on operation north woods. just do some basic digging and you will come up with your own conclusion. its obvious you haven't really research anything so far


and it is relativly easy for the few to control the many.just listen to this man who should know

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuKttdGoMHY

http://previous.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=142025&sectionid=3510203

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPzF-Lys-wY&feature=player_embedded#!

Originally posted by KMCmember
1. Why would they give away clues to their existence simply to gloat? That's rather retarded of them. These supposed conspirators don't seem to be as intelligent as they may appear to be.

2. (note: some of this came partly from websites)

What about the fire departments? They lost many comrades and have an extensive knowledge on this time of thing. Why wouldn't they launch an investigation?

What about the police? Why wouldn't they launch or ask for an investigation?

What about the passengers on the airplane? Isn't that 911 movie mostly true? If there really were missiles that hit the pentagon instead of an airplane, what's up with the phone calls?

What about the survivors of 911 (if there were any)?

What about the widows and widowers?

What about private investigators?

What about the photographers and news people?

What about NIST?

What about structural engineers? How come not one reputable engineer wrote a paper analyzing the 911 attacks?

The people that set off the dentonations.

The airphone people that got calls from passengers.

The Bush Administration



Also, what about the FBI, CIA, FEMA and numerous other people?



Conspiracy theories involving more than a handful of people almost always fail, because it's almost impossible to keep thousands of people quite. Even with only a few people conspiracy theories often times fail, ie the watergate scandal, and I'm pretty sure that Nixon was smarter than Bush.





Also, George Bush would likely be into it, and he wasn't exactly the most competent president ever. I have doubts as to his capability to pull off such a conspiracy.

3. This is a little far fetched and unsupported. Why would so many people of the nation's elite be crazy barbarian orientated in ideals for a stupid, irrational reason and yet at the same time be smart enough to pull off impossible conspiracy theories and elaborate hoaxes?

You need to do some more research and get some basic facts in your head before entering a deep discussion on the subject imo.

Typical debate methods on the subject:

"They want you to know..."

"There is no doubt in my mind..."

You see why I don't lurk here anymore?

Originally posted by JacopeX

You see why I don't lurk here anymore?

No, why?

Originally posted by JacopeX


You see why I don't lurk here anymore?


Rather stick your head in the sand like most other people

The idea of controlled demolitions bringing down the buildings doesn't make much sense.

Why have an airplane crash into the World Trade Center then? That adds in another variable that could bust the conspiracy. Why not say that terrorists planted demolitions and brought the towers down?

However, they would have to hire people to do that. How would they keep them quiet? How come not one has spoken out?

Why do the terrorists claim credit for the incident if it wasn't them that did it?

How could missiles have hit the Pentagon instead of a plane if pieces of the plane were found and wouldn't the people in the Pentagon notice that it was a missile if it was?

How could they hire hijackers willing to die? How could they convince the airliners to take in random guys and put them on specific flights?

Also, my third point in the OP is a pretty big one. The conspirators probably wouldn't even live to reap the benefits, and according to most conspiracy theorists they aren't doing it for the greater good either.

Originally posted by KMCmember
(not trying to troll or anything, simply something to talk about and discuss in this case)

1. Why would they leave clues for us to discover? If they want to stay secretive why would they leave a bunch of symbols and such on the dollar bill and other stuff? Wouldn't that give them away? Similar thing with the supposed illuminati celebrities.

2. How do they keep it a secret? How could they manage to keep thousands of people that were involved with helping the survivors of 911 quite? Keeping a secret between 2 people is hard enough. Keeping a secret between thousands of people is virtually impossible.

3. Why would they want to do this? If this conspiracy theory is as old as some people claim, why would a president 60 or more years ago want to help out? The illuminati is generally portrayed as an evil, self centered society, so it probably isn't for the greater good in this case. Yet they probably wouldn't get to live to see the conspiracy unfold. What incentive do they have? Money? Where do they get that money from? Who would want to pay them when they themselves would also not benefit from it?
firstly i just have to say, if you are getting any ideas from the da vinci code series about illuminati, toss it out, those books are garbage with little basis on science, which plays huge role in anything illuminati, who were simply scientists trying to free themselves and others from the extremely oppressive church, they are not evil, and almost definately do not exist any longer simply because there would be little point, their objective was reached, i don't know if that goal was reached because of them, but science isnt oppressed anymore, well maybe in some places, but nowhere people would give 2 shits about

Originally posted by (>^^)>
firstly i just have to say, if you are getting any ideas from the da vinci code series about illuminati, toss it out, those books are garbage with little basis on science, which plays huge role in anything illuminati, who were simply scientists trying to free themselves and others from the extremely oppressive church, they are not evil, and almost definately do not exist any longer simply because there would be little point, their objective was reached, i don't know if that goal was reached because of them, but science isnt oppressed anymore, well maybe in some places, but nowhere people would give 2 shits about

Yeah; the original Illuminati are likely extinct and were good guys. What I'm referring in this thread is the alleged modern Illuminati conspiracy theory.

Originally posted by Deano


3: they are like a sub species of our own species. they have an ideology, veyr similar to a religion where they think that humans are cattle and that they need to control us. its what they believe in and it doesn't matter if they will be alive or not at the end of it. that is THEIR RELIGION and goal, and they will fight to achieve that said goal, which is one world government, a population reduction , and micro chipped people. the chip would track everywhere you go and you would not be able to buy or sell without it. this would be an absolute nightmare and people of this age wouldnt stand for it. these elitists are very patient and will wait as long as it takes.

some people suggest they have a 2012 deadline or something stupid like that. the fact is that our generation will probably never see the microchip or world government. it will be out grand kids. and by that time i fear there will be no rebellion left and the elite can finally carry out there goals.

it is very scary and they need to be outed now. before its too late

How do you know such intimate details? These details would have had to come from someone within that group.

Also, were do the lizards fit it with this group? Seems like there'd be a conflict, two powerful clandestine groups competing for the same basic goal. Subjugation of the human race.

how do you know the 'lizards' fit into it? who said they do? its just a theory

Originally posted by Deano
how do you know the 'lizards' fit into it? who said they do? its just a theory

No, how do you know these intimate details about the Illuminati. Sub-race, micro-chips, cattle-religion etc. etc. etc.

I'm asking where the lizards fit into this "theory."

i think we are looking at this wrong
i think we have a bunch of people who want power over others but their not as organized or smart or as united as we think

Originally posted by Robtard
No, how do you know these intimate details about the Illuminati. Sub-race, micro-chips, cattle-religion etc. etc. etc.

I'm asking where the lizards fit into this "theory."

because the evidence is there for all to see. what else do you call a race that is trying to kill its own kind?

as for the lizards, well read david icke im sure he as all the answers for you

The illuminati conspiracy theories are retarded.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
Rather stick your head in the sand like most other people

so very true.You hit the nail right on the head.

Originally posted by Classic NES
The illuminati conspiracy theories are retarded.

pretty much like you then

Originally posted by Bicnarok
Rather stick your head in the sand like most other people Nice of you to jump to conclusions about me already.

Typical.

I don't know about all this Illuminati stuff, weren't they just a group of scientists trying to escape Catholic prosecution? Maybe that's why they're labelled as being so evil because the Catholic Church wanted them dead?

Just throwing out speculation.

Originally posted by Liberator
I don't know about all this Illuminati stuff, weren't they just a group of scientists trying to escape Catholic prosecution? Maybe that's why they're labelled as being so evil because the Catholic Church wanted them dead?



That's from Angels & Demons.

Well it's got a bit of sense doesn't it? Catholic Church ruled the Western World wouldn't surprise if some of their prejudicies carried over into modern society.

The symbols are like putting their mark on the world, it's kind of a joke, saying that we are powerless to do anything.
It isn't even really the Illuminati symbol. This thing dates back to the old mystic religions.
This is a control thing, it's the idea that they are the shepherds and we are the sheep.
The Illuminati isn't even evil, they think they are helping everyone.
It's hard to explain to one. Someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.
And two. Someone who will do everything they can to stop from waking up.

It's ironic that the Illuminati is now considered to be a Big Bad by conspiracy theorists, when they were once simply free thinkers seeking to pursue scientific research without church interference, and stood against prejudice, superstition, etc.

In other words, they were the antithesis of a dictatorial "New World Order". Yet the Church and various monarchical governments, taking on the role of the fantasy version of the Illuminati, cast them as dangerous outlaws plotting to sow chaos.

The ironic part is that every time you talk about the Illuminati tryiing to take over, you're demonstrating that the old dictators' propaganda worked on you!

Oh, the irony!

Originally posted by KMCmember
(not trying to troll or anything, simply something to talk about and discuss in this case)

No thank God for skepticism. The first thing I'd like to make clear is that anything I say is nothing more than pure conjecture for argument's sake.



Perhaps to make the idea of their existence seem absurd. Or perhaps they haven't left clues and people are making something out of nothing. Or perhaps they're confident that nothing will come of it, theoretically they'd have every right to be.



Maybe these thousands of people, CIA Agents, Terrorists, etc. were coerced into doing things that by themselves seemed like something they'd normally do, but when put together they result in a tragedy.

a)For instance, security could be made laxxed through sufficient higher command, things could be made to be overlooked, the plane could be filled with some aerosol depressant, etc.

b) The terrorists could have been acting on what they thought was a command or maybe a couple MK Ultra Agents infiltrated an Al Qaeda sect posing as terrorists and instilled through suggestion these sorts of ideas all the way back in Iraq.

c) Together you get a chain of events, but that's baby stuff. No, I think it's possible that technology has given a few rogue individuals in Central Intelligences the means to do far more than that:

I truly believe that there is technology out there that was birthed in the 1960s that has never seen the light of day. Follow the missing or mind-wiped scientists given false memories. Perhaps with the advent of stem cell therapy these individuals could have unlocked superior brain functions and in turn could have invented technologies similar to this. That tech. would be exclusive to them and the enhancements made in the guise of "research" would erased from the files.



Oil.



I think it originated in the 60s, and I don't think presidents have anything to do with it to their knowledge. But it is the House of Representatives that own America, and these politicians could be micro-managed (without knowing it) to devastating effect.



Stem cell research on the brink of immortality.

Nanobots and immortality.



Dystopian levels of control. Have you ever read Time Machine? In it there are the Mongrels (us) and the perfect, beautiful people, the surface dwellers, who rule. Nuclear Armageddon would be far more merciful.



a)After the 1960s, America's golden years, R&D programs were shut down, trillions of dollars were being printed unnecessarily, and the Gold Standard was removed and replaced by a shit load of currency backings.

b)That printed money suddenly becomes infinitely more difficult to track.

c)Due to an ever-increasing ability to monitor the world, an overflow of information in the databases, our Bureau of Central Intelligence is now a cluster **** of information, no one can keep track of anything in the growing aggregate subdivisions, such as the CIA, especially not their own.



They could be getting money without anyone knowing, think super-hackers, who are ambiguous, unsuspecting agents within central intelligence networks, having exclusive access to nano-processors or memristors capable of monitoring and rerouting all such bank information.

I've come to such an outlandish, wild and perhaps schizophrenic hypothesis. I may be a theorist with wild speculations; however, I'm not given to act on theory and speculation. That is why I'd pose a real, genuine threat to them (if they existed), because my goal is to objectively demonstrate and actually act on the facts that have been brought to light. Too many people say, "oh there's thirteen families" but they're never going acquire the facts necessary to do something about it.

If there was a clandestine organization acting outside of government, conducting isolated scientific experiments not shared with the world, with access to technology ahead of its time: than they've been able to abduct and implant these into certain people at certain times before erasing any memory of the ordeal. It is unknown how many people they could have gotten to in the last 50 years without being noticed. If this organization can operate through the special intelligence organizations of governments across the globe, than it could be millions.

Originally posted by Master Han
It's ironic that the Illuminati is now considered to be a Big Bad by conspiracy theorists, when they were once simply free thinkers seeking to pursue scientific research without church interference, and stood against prejudice, superstition, etc.

In other words, they were the antithesis of a dictatorial "New World Order". Yet the Church and various monarchical governments, taking on the role of the fantasy version of the Illuminati, cast them as dangerous outlaws plotting to sow chaos.

The ironic part is that every time you talk about the Illuminati tryiing to take over, you're demonstrating that the old dictators' propaganda worked on you!

Oh, the irony!

The Illuminati are not the bad guys. The bad guys are the ones who indoctrinate using tools like religion, and sabotage the scientific advancement of society as a whole, so that this society can be more easily controlled.

There was, in fact, a legitimate conspiracy that was directed by the United States' Bureau of Intelligence, that was postulated to practice scientific experimentation devoted entirely to the study of mind control. Which is a scary thought when MK Ultra is considered.

Earlier I stated that I believed the subdivided "control-society" in question originated in the 60s, I actually believe America itself was a product of this very clandestine order which I believe can be traced back to have been motivated by one man's actions and his cover up, but that we aren't able to acquire a scientific understanding and technological sophistication decades years ahead of everyone else until the 60s - due in part to advances in the field of biology (stem cell research) and internet technology (cybernated control of the banks).

Pretty much any conspiracy theory suffers from confirmation bias- If there was real, genuine proof, it wouldn't be merely talked about or have hundreds of different variants. People come up with a conspiracy framework or pattern as they see it, and then take information that fits the pattern as proof, but fitting a pattern isn't the same as proof- see 'the Bible Code' and such, which works just as well on any random book. One can create patterns out of any date if the methods are designed to make data.

Originally posted by Q99
Pretty much any conspiracy theory suffers from confirmation bias- If there was real, genuine proof, it wouldn't be merely talked about or have hundreds of different variants.

Interesting, though, that the scientific community hasn't yet postulated the possibility that one intelligence agency or another from the hundreds of nations on earth doesn't use discoveries made by the scientific community to progress their scientific sophistication without sharing their discoveries.

I mean, governmental agencies have the #powa to hide scientific blueprints (cough atom bomb cough) from the globe and they also have the ability to conduct unethical and by-whatever-means-necessary experimentation, etc etc etc. Black Agencies are not subject things the APA, and they may rule the world at very moment because of that!



Creating and considering the hypothetical relationships in these "patterns" is a step in forming a hypothesis.

Something like the Illumanati is a reason to wake up in the morning feeling helpless, anxious, and falling to despair.

You understand, you don't understand,, you don't understand,, you don't understand,, you don't understand,, you don't understand,, you don't understand,, you don't understand,, you don't understand, don't how I how feel. Humanity has to be afraid. We're talking about Gods.

What I mean is that, in order to prove the possibility of a relationship between variables , it must be demonstrable in experimentation.

When we do that, if one person can do that, then he has a tested hypothesis, and he can go gather conclusive objective evidence about it and literally prove it as fact objectively...but in some instances it won't matter because a more scientifically advanced secret society with control of the world's resources is above the scientific community's implications. Human beings have a hierarchy of needs, the one that holds the resources holds the powa over their consciousnesses, minds, identity, personality, and thoughts. Even if you objectively know the fact that your life is at the mercy of the insane Gods every microsecond of your existence, they control your hierarchy of needs so your subjectivity will distort your objectivity, your very reality will be blurred and inaccurate, like mine.

Originally posted by KMCmember
The idea of controlled demolitions bringing down the buildings doesn't make much sense.

Why have an airplane crash into the World Trade Center then? That adds in another variable that could bust the conspiracy. Why not say that terrorists planted demolitions and brought the towers down?

However, they would have to hire people to do that. How would they keep them quiet? How come not one has spoken out?

Why do the terrorists claim credit for the incident if it wasn't them that did it?

How could missiles have hit the Pentagon instead of a plane if pieces of the plane were found and wouldn't the people in the Pentagon notice that it was a missile if it was?

How could they hire hijackers willing to die? How could they convince the airliners to take in random guys and put them on specific flights?

Also, my third point in the OP is a pretty big one. The conspirators probably wouldn't even live to reap the benefits, and according to most conspiracy theorists they aren't doing it for the greater good either.
if you just demolish it then the American people would say why did they demolish the tallest building in the world at one of it's busiest hours with all those people in it. with the plane in there are a lot less questions. I don't know if I believe this conspiracy fully but I have don a lot of looking into it and there are something to it.

None of these things you's have said prove a point... Why can't they to maintain control you need to be secretive but also have people know you exist, controlling the media, advertisement and everything else they can make you think and act the way they please, when you buy useless things from a tv commercial they have successfully made you act a certain way. problem, reaction, solution. They make a problem blame it on some else then get the media to report the way they want so the public perspective is changed, which makes people demand them to do something they about it so they can invader country's or take away civil right, which make the control strong and by doing this everyday they can completely twist the way think and act and make you believe what they want.

Ps retards I have no belief in god and in about 2000 years ago the Romans fully established the Catholic Church for political control over the common people it's all happened with most prophet based religious, the myth of religion is the most powerful weapon ever created, most religious people don't believe in the modern day illuminati we know

Point... They can maintain *******

The whole thing is a giant ****ing shitfest of 50's - 70's paranoid following the weed surge all over the planet. Thats where it stems from ultimately.

The original Illuminati were scientist being murdered by the Catholic Church trying to oppress their views.

Pop stars and celebs, IF the ****ing "new world order" actually exists will consist of Goverments, Royalty, & Men and Woman who are powerful enough to topple entire stock markets or comletely detroy and negate the value of currency the world over.


That is who we should fear, if at all.

Not shitty music artists who release shit albums or are the head of rocawear.

Puff daddy who is THE richest man in hip-hop(richest genre in music) hasnt even hit a billion........A BILLION.

When their HAVE been men and their are men (also women) who have nearly destroyed the GBP once and there are men who if banded together to form said NWO, could easiy say...."lets take all of our money out of every single thing we have invested in or anything at all anywhere, and watch the worlds goverments, superpower countries and general world populace come crawling to us"


Thats scary, but now as scary as the shitfest of CashMoney/YoungMoney which is single handedly destroying hip-hop culture, not taking over the world. And lets be honest, they are not being manipulated by anyone because the only people who are being influenced are silly girl teenagers or dickhead boy teens.

But then again, it doesnt exist. Especially not in the music industry.

Why is it so US centric?

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
Why is it so US centric?

Because thats where the best weed is.

Originally posted by Oneness
The bad guys are the ones whosabotage the scientific advancement of society

So like, capitalism?