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Quiero Mota
Why are there never children in video games? I'm serious. Walk around a city in any game, and you won't see kids. They might appear in the game as part of a plot, but never as passerby's or random citizens.

Why is that?

RE: Blaxican
Because in 90% of games that have passerby's in them, you can kill them/punch them around.

ArtificialGlory
There are children in WoW as random citizens.

Phanteros
Because gamers are naturally bloodthirsty. There are some children in games Warcraft series, Black and white 2, fable series, Fallout series, Final fantasy. But to ensure the the games don't get any parents hounding them they remove the kill feature off them or don't have it at all.

No End N Site
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Why are there never children in video games? I'm serious. Walk around a city in any game, and you won't see kids. They might appear in the game as part of a plot, but never as passerby's or random citizens.

Why is that?

Hmmmmmmm...Ya'know, I don't see random kids all that much.

DarkC
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Why are there never children in video games? I'm serious. Walk around a city in any game, and you won't see kids. They might appear in the game as part of a plot, but never as passerby's or random citizens.

Why is that?
Screaming whiney baggage too much of a hassle to program, draw up, and put into CGi graphics.

Bardock42
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Because in 90% of games that have passerby's in them, you can kill them/punch them around.

That would be my guess.

BackFire
Because no one likes kids.

Eyron Aplits
Well about 90% of the games I play are JRPGs and I don't think there's a single one I've ever played that doesn't have children NPCs in their towns to at least some extent.

NemeBro
Originally posted by BackFire
Because no one likes kids. If this were true, then wouldn't they be bystanders in games more often? So you could kill them?

AthenasTrgrFngr
i thought backfire loves kids.

loves.

NemeBro
Originally posted by AthenasTrgrFngr
i thought backfire loves kids.

loves. What are you implying? estahuh

Nemesis X
Why there are no children in most videogames and why they are hardly interacted with? Well...I'd mention a certain someone in this forum but that would be bashing.

NemeBro
Go on NemeSis, do it, strike me down with all of your hatred!

AthenasTrgrFngr
win! big grin

Phanteros
Originally posted by Nemesis X
Why there are no children in most videogames and why they are hardly interacted with? Well...I'd mention a certain someone in this forum but that would be bashing. Due eet!!!

Quiero Mota
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Because in 90% of games that have passerby's in them, you can kill them/punch them around.

But you can kill cops and other citizens all day long in the game....but they draw the line when it comes to kids? What are they afraid of?

I just don't follow their rationale.

AthenasTrgrFngr
dont you hate cops

Phanteros
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
But you can kill cops and other citizens all day long in the game....but they draw the line when it comes to kids? What are they afraid of?

I just don't follow their rationale. Think about it for second. Whiney parents and people like JT will be all over the place on the game. also the game will get the A rating and won't be published at all like Manhunt almost got.

Quiero Mota
Originally posted by AthenasTrgrFngr
dont you hate cops

Yeah; I'm not a big fan of them; what's your point?

They're often touted as heros of the community, but they can be killed in games. But then they draw the line at kids?

Originally posted by Phanteros
Think about it for second. Whiney parents and people like JT will be all over the place on the game. also the game will get the A rating and won't be published at all like Manhunt almost got.

But don't games like True Crime and the Hitman series (where you can slaughter everyone you see) already have adult ratings?

Phanteros
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Yeah; I'm not a big fan of them; what's your point?

They're often touted as heros of the community, but they can be killed in games. But then they draw the line at kids?



But don't games like True Crime and the Hitman series (where you can slaughter everyone you see) already have adult ratings? Hitman nor True Crime never had AO ratings. Unlike manhunt killing people in those games where treated with discretion or outright discouraged. Manhunt basically told you to brutalize people in various gory ways with tools(Plastic bags to choke people with and knifes to gut them). Besides no one cared that much of True crime anyway to make a big fuse about it other than NYPD and that was for the police portrayal.

Manhunt basically had to get remade to get it even in the stores because everybody was banning it.

cdtm
Ashley in RE4 looks like a kid.. I know she's supposed to be 18, but I'd bet she's really 15 or 16 in Japan.

Phanteros
However in Bioshock, I think that's the only current example you can actually kill a kid without a mod. The old fallout series you can kill kids with lazers. However in Fallout 3 you can't unless you mod it.

AthenasTrgrFngr
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Yeah; I'm not a big fan of them; what's your point?


my point is that you dont understand that theres a difference between shooting a grown man who is a police officer and shooting a child is because you hate cops. im just explaining your confusion.

Quiero Mota
So then what's the real difference between AO and Mature? Levels of gore? Because games rated M already have profanity and blood.

And kids aren't in games, because they don't want people killing them in the game? But adults are fine? That's dumb logic and reeks of PC.

Quiero Mota
Originally posted by AthenasTrgrFngr
my point is that you dont understand that theres a difference between shooting a grown man who is a police officer and shooting a child is because you hate cops. im just explaining your confusion.


No, I don't understand their selection process of who is and isn't ok to kill in games.

AthenasTrgrFngr
yes thats... what i said.

Phanteros
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
So then what's the real difference between AO and Mature? Levels of gore? Because games rated M already have profanity and blood.

And kids aren't in games, because they don't want people killing them in the game? But adults are fine? That's dumb logic and reeks of PC. no real difference but AO takes it up a notch. AO games are not published by Sony nor Nintendo, both of whom out right refuses to even consider them.

Phanteros
Police being killed in games are still chewed out but not as enforce like children. Saints Row series have been a major target by this accusation but as long as a kid isn't being killed in it, its ok.


Police are grown men that can defend them selves typically with fire arms, children can't. usually.

Quiero Mota
Originally posted by Phanteros
no real difference but AO takes it up a notch. AO games are not published by Sony nor Nintendo, both of whom out right refuses to even consider them.

What "notch" though, and how far? It just seems arbitrary, because to what scale would you apply a spectrum of gore and cursing?

I think the reason Sony and Nintendo are afraid of the label is because they know kids will get their hands on them anyways (like cigarettes and porn). So its basically legal bet-covering, I would surmise.

NemeBro
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I think the reason Sony and Nintendo are afraid of the label is because they know kids will get their hands on them anyways (like cigarettes and porn). So its basically legal bet-covering, I would surmise. Actually it's because they would make far less money off of such a game. AO games often are not sold in stores, and never sell as well as a lesser rated game.

Phanteros
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
What "notch" though, and how far? It just seems arbitrary, because to what scale would you apply a spectrum of gore and cursing?

I think the reason Sony and Nintendo are afraid of the label is because they know kids will get their hands on them anyways (like cigarettes and porn). So its basically legal bet-covering, I would surmise. nailed it. AO games are simply not marketable

cdtm
Originally posted by AthenasTrgrFngr
my point is that you dont understand that theres a difference between shooting a grown man who is a police officer and shooting a child is because you hate cops. im just explaining your confusion.

He has a point about the double standard, though.

Mow down grownups by the dozen, and no one cares. But hurt a kid, and people go nuts.

Nothing really confusing about it, though.. It's an old cultural meme to value children over full grown men.

What confuses me much more, is the taboo against anything sexual. Kill a full grown man in cold blood, and it's an action game, but show a nipple and it becomes fodder for every news media outlet for the next six months.. (Remember the Hot Coffee incident?)

Nemesis X
And don't forget that wang incident in GTAIV Lost and Damned. That scarred me for life and as a bonus, I nearly vomited and no, I'm not exaggerating on that part. That stunt Rockstar pulled was not funny.

NemeBro
There was a penis in Lost and Damned?

And seeing it nearly made you vomit?

Lol.

Peach
Originally posted by Phanteros
nailed it. AO games are simply not marketable

Yup. Manhunt 2 was originally going to be slapped with an AO rating so they redid the game to lessen the violence and get an M rating so it could be sold. GTA: San Andreas was re-rated as AO because of Hot Coffee and pulled from shelves; only the Greatest Hits version of the game has an M rating and is all that can be sold.

Retailers refuse to stock AO titles, and hence developers and publishers won't make them.

Originally posted by cdtm
He has a point about the double standard, though.

Mow down grownups by the dozen, and no one cares. But hurt a kid, and people go nuts.

Nothing really confusing about it, though.. It's an old cultural meme to value children over full grown men.

What confuses me much more, is the taboo against anything sexual. Kill a full grown man in cold blood, and it's an action game, but show a nipple and it becomes fodder for every news media outlet for the next six months.. (Remember the Hot Coffee incident?)

Sex in games isn't unusual and by itself isn't enough to warrant stronger than an M rating most of the time. The problem with Hot Coffee, which got GTA: SA rerated as AO, was that it was a pornographic sex minigame. Sex doesn't necessarily mean porn, and when it's the latter is when it earns the AO.

However, yes, I do agree in general that I find it ridiculous that people are find with ridiculous amounts of blood, gore, and violence, but anything sexual is bad and horrible and shameful.

cdtm
Originally posted by Peach
Yup. Manhunt 2 was originally going to be slapped with an AO rating so they redid the game to lessen the violence and get an M rating so it could be sold. GTA: San Andreas was re-rated as AO because of Hot Coffee and pulled from shelves; only the Greatest Hits version of the game has an M rating and is all that can be sold.

Retailers refuse to stock AO titles, and hence developers and publishers won't make them.



Sex in games isn't unusual and by itself isn't enough to warrant stronger than an M rating most of the time. The problem with Hot Coffee, which got GTA: SA rerated as AO, was that it was a pornographic sex minigame. Sex doesn't necessarily mean porn, and when it's the latter is when it earns the AO.

However, yes, I do agree in general that I find it ridiculous that people are find with ridiculous amounts of blood, gore, and violence, but anything sexual is bad and horrible and shameful.

Come to think of it, God of War had full nip-page.

No censuring or anything. Even had an "off screen" sex game, which I'm surprised got past the watch dogs (Because they're usually pretty anal about even implied sexual content..)

Nemesis X
Originally posted by NemeBro
There was a penis in Lost and Damned?

And seeing it nearly made you vomit?

Lol.

In one of the cut scenes, yes.

Your sexuality is different from mine. Like you'd understand what I went through.

NemeBro
Originally posted by Nemesis X
In one of the cut scenes, yes.

Your sexuality is different from mine. Like you'd understand what I went through. You'll have fun when you take anatomy.

Nemesis X
Originally posted by NemeBro
You'll have fun when you take anatomy.

When I said sexuality, I meant that I'm straight and you're bisexual. Dudes who are bi don't mind seeing other men's packages but when a straight person sees them, they feel uncomftorable. That is common.

Peach
Nemesis, shut up.

Nemesis X
Originally posted by Peach
Nemesis, shut up.

I'm under the impression that you think I'm bashing.

NemeBro
Originally posted by Nemesis X
When I said sexuality, I meant that I'm straight and you're bisexual. Dudes who are bi don't mind seeing other men's packages but when a straight person sees them, they feel uncomftorable. That is common. Maybe if you're insecure regarding your sexuality.

Nemesis X
Originally posted by NemeBro
Maybe if you're insecure regarding your sexuality.

Well I felt disgusted looking at another man's junk. I'm pretty sure that means I'm straight. What you chose is none of my concern. Now can we please stop talking about this?

NemeBro
Originally posted by Nemesis X
What you chose Lol

AthenasTrgrFngr
this thread has gone somewhere that i can not follow x_x

Nemesis X
Originally posted by NemeBro
Lol

I don't get what's funny about that.

Quiero Mota
An honest question that I had has turned has turned into a shlong-conversation......

cdtm
Originally posted by Nemesis X
I don't get what's funny about that.

What he "chose"?

Sexual orientation is a choice now? stick out tongue

Nemesis X
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
An honest question that I had has turned has turned into a shlong-conversation......

NemeBro is at fault for starting the conversation btw.

Originally posted by cdtm
What he "chose"?

Sexual orientation is a choice now? stick out tongue

When has it not been a choice?

Quiero Mota
Originally posted by Peach
Yup. Manhunt 2 was originally going to be slapped with an AO rating so they redid the game to lessen the violence and get an M rating so it could be sold. GTA: San Andreas was re-rated as AO because of Hot Coffee and pulled from shelves; only the Greatest Hits version of the game has an M rating and is all that can be sold.

Retailers refuse to stock AO titles, and hence developers and publishers won't make them.



Sex in games isn't unusual and by itself isn't enough to warrant stronger than an M rating most of the time. The problem with Hot Coffee, which got GTA: SA rerated as AO, was that it was a pornographic sex minigame. Sex doesn't necessarily mean porn, and when it's the latter is when it earns the AO.

However, yes, I do agree in general that I find it ridiculous that people are find with ridiculous amounts of blood, gore, and violence, but anything sexual is bad and horrible and shameful.

Wasn't Hot Coffee a hidden feature that had to be unlocked, and not part of the regular story?

cdtm
Originally posted by Nemesis X
NemeBro is at fault for starting the conversation btw.



When has it not been a choice?

I know you're not being serious, but it's expressions of masculinity and femininity that's a social construct. Sexual attraction is wraped up in it, for certain, but in the end a person can't choose which field they're playing for..

cdtm
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Wasn't Hot Coffee a hidden feature that had to be unlocked, and not part of the regular story?

Yes, it was an unlockable.

Not certain, but I think you even needed a game enhancer or something to unlock it.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Nemesis X
And don't forget that wang incident in GTAIV Lost and Damned. That scarred me for life and as a bonus, I nearly vomited and no, I'm not exaggerating on that part. That stunt Rockstar pulled was not funny.

You almost vomited when seeing a penis? That doesn't make you more straight, it just makes you silly.


I see where you are coming from though, better extinguish all doubt regarding your manhood, before someone implies you enjoy seeing dick.

ArtificialGlory
Nemesis, taking a piss must be hell for you. Your announcing just how disgusted you are with male anatomy just makes you look like you're very deep in a certain closet... Nemesis doth protest too much, methinks.

Also, in Black & White you could kill and sacrifice children. Not only that, but children gave the most energy points when sacrificed. I have no idea how that one slipped through.

Phanteros
Can we get off the penis please and oh Nemsis grow up. Now back on the original topic like Peach and I said. You just can't sell those games. Though to be fair there were only like 23 AO games to date and some of them where remade for an M rating.

There had been screw ups with the ratings before such as Elder scrolls IV was originally supposed to get a T rating but just because of its mods it got M rating. Following that logic the mods of the game, The Sims 2&3 also contain sexual content which means it should received AO( I did recall a sex mod). and that seems to contradict as ESRB isn't supposed to rate on online content as it is unofficial to the game.

Phanteros
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Nemesis, taking a piss must be hell for you. Your announcing just how disgusted you are with male anatomy just makes you look like you're very deep in a certain closet... Nemesis doth protest too much, methinks.

Also, in Black & White you could kill and sacrifice children. Not only that, but children gave the most energy points when sacrificed. I have no idea how that one slipped through. It think it was done in a way that was suitable by parents standards. (you don't see the kids burst in the flames and slowly cook to death)

And I find Nemesis's protest against the male organ quite stupid.

General Kaliero
Guys, don't get off-topic. Nemesis, stop being offensive. Nemebro, stop egging him on.

That is all.

Nemesis X
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Nemesis, taking a piss must be hell for you. Your announcing just how disgusted you are with male anatomy just makes you look like you're very deep in a certain closet... Nemesis doth protest too much, methinks.

Also, in Black & White you could kill and sacrifice children. Not only that, but children gave the most energy points when sacrificed. I have no idea how that one slipped through.

I don't mind seeing my own but seeing other's dongols makes things feel awkward. A naked guy is something I don't want to see. A naked woman however is something I don't mind looking at.

Zack Fair
I imagine you ran out of the room/theater after watching Watchmen.

Peach
Nemesis, you were told to drop it. Now drop it.

Everyone else can do the same.

Zack Fair
Awww party pooper and I just joined

cdtm
Originally posted by Phanteros
It think it was done in a way that was suitable by parents standards. (you don't see the kids burst in the flames and slowly cook to death)

And I find Nemesis's protest against the male organ quite stupid.

You can drown them, can't you?

I'm thinking it's more that B&W was fairly niche, and didn't get even a fraction of the advertising of mainstream console titles.

cdtm
Plus, it's a computer game.

You think Blood II would have been unaltered on the consoles, considering a major game mechanic is walking up to npc's begging for their lives and ripping out their hearts for sustenance?

Even Duke Nukem 3d couldn't survive the transition unaltered, and you see racier stuff on network TV..

menokokoro
now i really want to play black and white....i have the second, but it wasn't as good as the first imo

Phanteros
Originally posted by cdtm
You can drown them, can't you?

I'm thinking it's more that B&W was fairly niche, and didn't get even a fraction of the advertising of mainstream console titles. But its not done in a graphic way.

Nephthys
They scream for help while weakly struggling to keep afloat, until they finally run out of strength and go under. The thrashing continues as they try to reach the surface but....just.....can't.....manage. Eventually the water stills and you are allowed a hearty lol.

That isn't hilariousgraphic?

BackFire
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
But you can kill cops and other citizens all day long in the game....but they draw the line when it comes to kids? What are they afraid of?

I just don't follow their rationale.

Kids are sweet and innocent, Cops are assholes.

JacopeX
Spiderman games where you can walk around the city...I see a few.

zeroking24
ok this fourm is way too strange lol i cant belive your talking about dicks and sh** in this post it has nothing to do with kids wtf is your problum

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