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It can be any level, but only hand two hand. not weapons, like claws, shields ect. not range attacks like optic blasts, keneticly charge cards ect. No thing claps. purely h2h fights, though there stats remain the same as they always are, and chi amping allowed.


No please pick matches you think sound interesting, explain why, who who you think wins if either of them. People feel free to debate peoples picks, or feel free to bring forth your own.


featureless enviorment (however if someone wishes to make a certain enviorment, then can post it with there fighter picks) for example say you thought shang-chi vs DD in h2h would be a great match in a city simply say I believe so and so in a city enviorment would make for a great h2h fight. Also though they can use enviorment to move around, they may not pick anything up as a weapon.

I believe Wolverine vs Spiderman would be a great battle. I say Wolverine becuase of superior stamina, but it be a crazy fight. I can just picture it, them both jumping around unloading on eachother. I even find this fight very entertaining in a city land scape too, might even be more entertaining visually on some levels.


I also believe that Luke Cage vs Shange-chi would also be very interesting. I say Shang-Chi win after seeing Luke Cage against DD. Through superior stamina, I would enjoy this. I see Shang-hi using his superior speed and fighting skill. Also unlike DD, Shang-chi can withstand a lot more punches from Luke Cage, people forget just how durable Shang-chi can be. He can also amp his punches to level's, beyond what Matt can attack with, which make him far more effective in his attempts to damage Luke Cage.

Captain Marvel vs Superman.
Purely h2h that should be fun to watch. I can see the fight go for a long long time.

Sabertooth (no adamantium) vs CIS off back in black Spider-man.
A ton of popcorn and front seats please. That's gonna be something.

Wolverine (no adamantium) vs Deathstroke. Because I wanna see Logan beat him and because it's gonna be an interesting fight.

Now a bit off-topic but
Id really like to see Azula (from avatar) fight Elektra (no TP) h2h.

Sabretooth/Roughhouse.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/9490/208239-127129-sabretooth_large.JPG

vs

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/5586/1100796-rh8_large.jpg

i would really like to see superman 1 million fight superman prime with the black suit

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Sabretooth/Roughhouse.

Sabes prior to his first upgrade? Would like to see that, too.

Lobo vs. Wolverine in a bar, like in Marvel vs. DC just of course as a real fight.

Howard the duck vs. Ambush bug just to see how much BS happens.

I'd like to see Nemesis and Zealot fight hand to hand again like they did on Khera, and not get interrupted. Neither woman is going to give up, and they both are insanely skilled. It'd be a back and forth fight that would rage for a while. I have no idea who would win, but it would be quite a sight to behold.

Iron Fist/Galactus

Shit would be epic in a comic.

Steve Rogers vs Black Panther
Black Panther vs Matt Murdock
Matt Murdock vs Bucky Barnes

Moondragon vs Gamora vs Mantis

Elektra vs Blade

Shang-Chi vs Batman

Daredevil vs Batgirl or Shiva

Steve Rogers vs Taskmaster - No jobbing or hero worship.

These four i would say are the ones id most like to see written well.

wonder woman vs. steve rogers with identical physical bodies

BA vs Superman
CM vs Superman
Sabretooth vs Venom (Brock)
Juggernaut (full power) vs Thanos
Thor vs Hulk

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Iron Fist/Galactus

Shit would be epic in a comic.

Until Batman came in and kicked both their asses.

He wouldn't even have to come in to do it.

Spidey vs. DD
Bruce vs. Cap
Barda vs. Wondy

Black Adam Vs Superman
Black Adam Vs Captain Marvel
Captain Marvel vs Superman
Captain Marvel vs Thor(no hammer)
Black Adam Vs Beta Ray Bill(no hammer)
Solomon Grundy Vs Hulk
Colossus Vs Thing
Frankeinstine Vs Tombstone

Originally posted by Black bolt z
wonder woman vs. steve rogers with identical physical bodies

Oh, lordy... *that* would be a good one...

Also, a similar situation with Deathstroke/Batman (either slightly de-juicing DS, or making BM comparable).

Gamora vs. Batgirl (again, allowing for a "neutral" meta-enhancement).

Shiva vs. Batman (with equal physical stats)
Juggs vs. Hulk
Herc vs. Wondy
Wolverine vs. Venom

Originally posted by batdude123
Until Batman came in and kicked both their asses.

Galactus's peels batmans ass off his shoe and toss's it in the garbage can.

Captain America vs Batman. Current. This this could be epic. See who truly deserve there current stature and who simply not up to par.

superman vs gladiator
Hulk vs Doomsday

would be good H2H matches

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Captain America vs Batman. Current. This this could be epic. See who truly deserve there current stature and who simply not up to par. I'd actually prefer deathstroke vs cap more cuz I feel batman's out of his league physically against cap

I would love to see midnighter vs logan under the OP's scenario

Originally posted by Starscream M
I'd actually prefer deathstroke vs cap more cuz I feel batman's out of his league physically against cap
........current Captain America is Bucky and Current Batman is Dick.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Captain America vs Batman. Current. This this could be epic. See who truly deserve there current stature and who simply not up to par. That would be the best H2H fight ever

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
........current Captain America is Bucky and Current Batman is Dick. oh, so you want to see bucky vs dick...i'd root for dick all day

I want to see dick as batman vs bucky as captain america. I think it be a crazy back and forth fight.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I want to see dick as batman vs bucky as captain america. I think it be a crazy back and forth fight. what difference would it be if dick was batman or nightwing and bucky was captain america or not?

it would be the two same guys fighting, just under different costumes

she hulk vs thing

would be a good H2H fight

just think it look cooler and be much closer then steve rogers against bruce wayne.

Powerless Superman vs... Anyone decent, really.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Powerless Superman vs... Anyone decent, really. he can't beat anyone decent

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
just think it look cooler and be much closer then steve rogers against bruce wayne. oh ok.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Powerless Superman vs... Anyone decent, really. '
against cyclopes.

Originally posted by Starscream M
he can't beat anyone decent

^ stuff like that is exactly why i want to see it.

to do away with all the ignorance.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
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against cyclopes.

he'd beat cyclops, imo.

power girl vs super girl would be interesting.

Originally posted by -Pr-
^ stuff like that is exactly why i want to see it.

to do away with all the ignorance.



he'd beat cyclops, imo. um hell no...cyke has had far more training than superman it wouldn't even be fair

Originally posted by -Pr-
^ stuff like that is exactly why i want to see it.

to do away with all the ignorance.



he'd beat cyclops, imo. powerless superman vs Logan H2H would be a good one

Originally posted by -Pr-
^ stuff like that is exactly why i want to see it.

to do away with all the ignorance.



he'd beat cyclops, imo.

How good are you trying to say? I mean if he got it in there with someone like steve rogers he get dominated.


Beucase cyclope would seem to be a good fight for superman.

Originally posted by Starscream M
um hell no...cyke has had far more training than superman it wouldn't even be fair

superman has better feats.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
How good are you trying to say? I mean if he got it in there with someone like steve rogers he get dominated.


Beucase cyclope would seem to be a good fight for superman.

decent, as in low to mid range. someone who is obviously skilled at martial arts, but isn't exactly batman either.

Originally posted by chomperx9
powerless superman vs Logan H2H would be a good one
no it wouldent. Logan would utterly dominate superman.

Originally posted by chomperx9
powerless superman vs Logan H2H would be a good one are you on crack? Logan would wtfpwn a powerless clark.

Originally posted by -Pr-
superman has better feats.
gimme one or two...

Originally posted by -Pr-
superman has better feats.



decent, as in low to mid range. someone who is obviously skilled at martial arts, but isn't exactly batman either.


clint barton perhaps, but I be incline to think clint have a skill edge.

Originally posted by Starscream M
gimme one or two...

Using skill against Mongul, Doomsday, Various Kryptonians, Wonder Woman etc.

Cyclops has paltry h2h feats by comparison, and most of his skill is implied, yet rarely shown on panel.

Originally posted by Starscream M
are you on crack? Logan would wtfpwn a powerless clark. Clark knows how to fight as well. ok yeah wolverine has a better shot at winning cause he is used to fighting using basic combat skills and superman relies mostly on his powers.

So yeah i can see wolverine winning


Batman vs Wolverine would be the shit H2H No healing No adamantium skeleton no claws none of that just pure H2H

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
clint barton perhaps, but I be incline to think clint have a skill edge.

tbh it depends on the writer. some write clint as uber, some pretty ordinary. kinda like green arrow.

Originally posted by chomperx9
Clark knows how to fight as well. ok yeah wolverine has a better shot at winning cause he is used to fighting using basic combat skills and superman relies mostly on his powers.

So yeah i can see wolverine winning


Batman vs Wolverine would be the shit H2H No healing No adamantium skeleton no claws none of that just pure H2H
There on completely two different levels. Wolverine is consider master of pretty much every style on the planet. There a huge differences between him and superman when it comes to h2h training and knowledge.







now that would be a good match up.

Originally posted by -Pr-
tbh it depends on the writer. some write clint as uber, some pretty ordinary. kinda like green arrow.
I agree.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Using skill against Mongul, Doomsday, Various Kryptonians, Wonder Woman etc.

honestly, I feel like that is more due to DC's stance of hugely underwriting heralds and such when they face streets (ie Batman vs grundy/Darkseid, or Deathstroke vs Flash/Teen Titans). In DC, when street leveler faces off against a much more powerful foe, it seems DC generally underwrites the meta a great deal to compensate.

tbh, I'd be more impressed if a depowered clark fared well against Deathstroke, green arrow, or a street as opposed to a highpowered meta where PIS abound

Elektra vs Batgirl Cassandra H2H

it's obviously captain america v batman

Originally posted by Starscream M
honestly, I feel like that is more due to DC's stance of hugely underwriting heralds and such when they face streets (ie Batman vs grundy/Darkseid, or Deathstroke vs Flash/Teen Titans). In DC, when street leveler faces off against a much more powerful foe, it seems DC generally underwrites the meta a great deal to compensate.

tbh, I'd be more impressed if a depowered clark fared well against Deathstroke, green arrow, or a street as opposed to a highpowered meta where PIS abound

how is that relevant?

i'm talking about heralds vs heralds.

wait. you think i was sayiing that a powerless superman took on those guys? no, he didn't.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
There on completely two different levels. Wolverine is consider master of pretty much every style on the planet. There a huge differences between him and superman when it comes to h2h training and knowledge.
not even that...logan's HF and adamantium gives him waaay too much of an unfair advantage

Originally posted by Starscream M
not even that...logan's HF and adamantium gives him waaay too much of an unfair advantage if its H2H theres no healing or adamantium

Originally posted by -Pr-
how is that relevant?

i'm talking about heralds vs heralds.

wait. you think i was sayiing that a powerless superman took on those guys? no, he didn't. yeah...misunderstood you (I mean, of course regular superman has better feats than cyke...I had thought you meant depowered supes has better feats. And going by that logic, regular supes has better feats than batman too...does that mean depowered superman beats batman?)

why would his showings as Superman have any impact on his ability as a depowered human?

the fighting style couldn't be more different. If anything, his success as Superman would actually be a liability to him as a depowered Clark as it's hard to erase muscle memory and he'd be so accustomed to fighting as a flying invincible brick that it'd take his focus to fight as a vulnerable mortal.

Originally posted by Starscream M
yeah...misunderstood you (I mean, of course regular superman has better feats than cyke...I had thought you meant depowered supes has better feats. And going by that logic, regular supes has better feats than batman too...does that mean depowered superman beats batman?)

why would his showings as Superman have any impact on his ability as a depowered human?

the fighting style couldn't be more different. If anything, his success as Superman would actually be a liability to him as a depowered Clark as it's hard to erase muscle memory and he'd be so accustomed to fighting as a flying invincible brick that it'd take his focus to fight as a vulnerable mortal.

superman has better combat skill feats than cyclops, powered or not.

because people for some reason argue that his powers augment his skill to the degree that his skill is negligible.

except that no, clark has actually fought depowered more than once. he's used to it more than most characters would be in his position.

Originally posted by -Pr-
superman has better combat skill feats than cyclops, powered or not.

because people for some reason argue that his powers augment his skill to the degree that his skill is negligible.

except that no, clark has actually fought depowered more than once. he's used to it more than most characters would be in his position. I don't argue that his powers augment his skill. I know he is a superb fighter in the herald arena...and that style of fighting (with superstrength and flight and speed) Superman is hands down better than all imo.

Also, I'll accept your statement that superman depowered would be comparatively better than most other metas depowered....but that wouldn't put him on equal footing imo to folks who've trained all their lives to fight at that level.

Originally posted by Starscream M
are you on crack? Logan would wtfpwn a powerless clark.
This.

Originally posted by Starscream M
I don't argue that his powers augment his skill. I know he is a superb fighter in the herald arena...and that style of fighting (with superstrength and flight and speed) Superman is hands down better than all imo.

Also, I'll accept your statement that superman depowered would be comparatively better than most other metas depowered....but that wouldn't put him on equal footing imo to folks who've trained all their lives to fight at that level.

i never said it would.

i'm just sick and tired of people using his powers as some sort of excuse for him not having MA skill, when it's been stated and shown multiple times that he does.

even if he lost, i wouldn't care. i just want to see him get respected for his fighting skill.

Deathstroke vs Dead Pool
Black Panther vs Batman (Bruce)
Barda vs Zarda (bra and panties match)
Night Wing vs Bullseye
Gamora vs Zealot (mud wrestling match)

Originally posted by -Pr-
i never said it would.

i'm just sick and tired of people using his powers as some sort of excuse for him not having MA skill, when it's been stated and shown multiple times that he does.

even if he lost, i wouldn't care. i just want to see him get respected for his fighting skill. I'm sure ppl do underestimate his MA skills...which I'm sure is prob pretty considerable

btw, if he lost...how would he get respect lol?

Originally posted by Starscream M

btw, if he lost...how would he get respect lol? for putting effort

Originally posted by Starscream M
I'm sure ppl do underestimate his MA skills...which I'm sure is prob pretty considerable

btw, if he lost...how would he get respect lol?

doing well and losing still makes you worthy of respect in some cases.

Bloodlusted Elektra vs Bloodlusted Shang Chi would probably be the most ridiculous fight ever.

Jason Todd Vs Frank Castle (human)

Jason would win, but it would be the most brutal showdown EVAR.

does superman even work out?

i mean, if he lost his powers completely shouldn't he be a waif?

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Jason Todd Vs Frank Castle (human)

Jason would win, but it would be the most brutal showdown EVAR.



Originally posted by psycho gundam
does superman even work out?

i mean, if he lost his powers completely shouldn't he be a waif?

the yellow sun makes sure that he's in top physical condition, so when he's depowered, he's automatically as fit as an athlete anyway. he just needs to exercise to keep it up, like he did as Superman Red and Blue.

i mean if he loses even that

like if say lex genetically altered him or something

Originally posted by psycho gundam
i mean if he loses even that

like if say lex genetically altered him or something

tbh i don't know.

even when he's been completely powerless, he's always been portrayed as a pretty stocky guy.

midnighter vs wolverine without adamatium

mantis vs zealot (pure h2h)

Temugin vs Gorgon
Vargas vs Iron Fist
Punisher vs depowered Lobo
Angela vs Gamora
Psylocke vs Sage (pillow fight)
Juggernaut (full power) vs Mongul Sr.

superboy prime vs thanos

superman 1m vs daredevil

Rune king thor vs kraven