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1.With the Qbands
2.Without



who wins.

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Annihilus in both

Ya Annihilus in both.

with the bands Annihilus should win.
Without them Bill beats him worse than Nova did

Originally posted by Warlord
with the bands Annihilus should win.
Without them Bill beats him worse than Nova did

Agreed

Nah he ate quasar like a light snack. Nova took him when the bands were exhausted and he was weakened by G's blast.

Originally posted by 753
Nah he ate quasar like a light snack. Nova took him when the bands were exhausted and he was weakened by G's blast. Annihilus absorbed Quasar energy, but will he have time witih Beta?

Beta doesn't rely solely on energy constructs like Quasar.

Slight majority though for Annihilus

with the stormbreaker Bill can counter anything the cosmic rod throws at
him and then proceed to beat his ass.

something Quasar couldn't do

People are hyping BRB way to much.

Annihilus in first.BRB in second.

annihilus was build up too much but i'll give it to him in the quasar fight since he attacked via energy attack.

physically BRB would overpower and beat him to death..

the rod aint no stormbreaker

Hum... I doubt it. He swated nova and quasar like flies and ate quasar. Nova only got the best of him because his power reserves were depleted by shielding himself from galactus. The cosmic rod can do quite a lot too.

Annihilation made it clear that he was above top tiers. His heralds were top tiers.

i agree that annihilation put him above certain characters but his actual history and consistent showing says otherwise.

like i said already what works on one does not work on another..

a green rock or Uru monster might stop and trash one herald being and do nothing if switched to face opposite opponents...

hell, they may not even be able to put down a low end meta due to lack of versatility and power weakness exploitation

Originally posted by kgkg
People are hyping BRB way to much.
not really

Originally posted by 753
His heralds were top tiers.
Surfer disagrees

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Surfer disagrees Actually he doesn't. He was impressed by ravenous's power and only took him down after galactus changed him.

Ravenous is top tier now?

So, he isn't?

Originally posted by 753
So, he isn't? http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/9241/753724-002.jpg

She say likewise.

well, he is

Originally posted by vansonbee
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/9241/753724-002.jpg

She say likewise. Still haven't quite figured her out. Either she was amped out of her mind, or Ravenous was affected by not having his currs. Either way I don't recall her ever showing the levels of power that she displayed in that arc.

Without the opposing force dogs, he is weaker.

Originally posted by 753
Without the opposing force dogs, he is weaker. Yeah but even so she was never that powerful before. IIRC she was always around class 80. In that WOK arc she was knocking around Glads and Nova, both of whom are class 100+.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Annihilus/Thor_1989_404_17.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Annihilus/Thor_1989_404_18.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Annihilus/FantasticFour_v1_290_p12.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Annihilus/FantasticFour_v1_290_p13.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Annihilus/FantasticFour_v1_290_p15.jpg

I have no idea why people think that Annihilus only was a bad ass in Annihilation. He was always that high on the food chain.

I think if people want to cry our retcon or powerup....
I seem to remember annihilus besting Thor and baldur and fighting his way to Odin...
Blastaar before saying he would serve annihilus in exchange for the bugs help...
Annihilus was killed... And a "clone" or child or his with all his memories was born and later it fought a second child... I think that was the last appearance before annihilation... Offhand that "rebirth" can explain a powerup... But throughout history he hasn't been a weakling...

Also annihilus defeated quasar due to the energies being different... Well quasar is like posit and annihilus is like negative... From the negative zone... Rhys the way I imagine why it was such a rare occurrence... The last time offhand I remember that happening was against one of oblivions minions ...

To quasar I mean....

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Annihilus/Thor_1989_404_17.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Annihilus/Thor_1989_404_18.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Annihilus/FantasticFour_v1_290_p12.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Annihilus/FantasticFour_v1_290_p13.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Annihilus/FantasticFour_v1_290_p15.jpg

powerfull no doubt but still it's only energy blasts.
nothing stormbreaker cannot deflect/absorb

Originally posted by Warlord
powerfull no doubt but still it's only energy blasts.
nothing stormbreaker cannot deflect/absorb


He can also manipulate matter, and amp his strength to an unknown extent. For instance the Marvel handbook categorized his base strength levels at topping out at roughly 70 tons, if I remember correctly, yet he threw the Thing around like a rag doll when he faced him and Ben is a class 85. If Bill were to somehow remove the CCR he would likely win, but this is doubtful at best. If they locked up WWE style, Bill would likely be blasted into a coma, or worse by the CCR.

Annihilus 8/10

BRB in both, Q bands have no effect on magic, if this the same BRB we saw in Stormbreaker mini Annihilus is f**ked big time, Annihilus will fall under stormbreaker blows alone. Annihilus is a basda$$ but even he has a breaking point.

Originally posted by the Darkone
BRB in both, Q bands have no effect on magic, if this the same BRB we saw in Stormbreaker mini Annihilus is f**ked big time, Annihilus will fall under stormbreaker blows alone. Annihilus is a basda$$ but even he has a breaking point.

Only we haven't seen this breaking point yet. He's damage soak is sick.

Originally posted by the Darkone
BRB in both, Q bands have no effect on magic, if this the same BRB we saw in Stormbreaker mini Annihilus is f**ked big time, Annihilus will fall under stormbreaker blows alone. Annihilus is a basda$$ but even he has a breaking point. Which is likely beyond BRB. He already walked through thor, ate quasar and swated nova down. He was only defeated by nova later on because his own power reserves were depleted by Galactus's blast.

Originally posted by 753
Which is likely beyond BRB. He already walked through thor, ate quasar and swated nova down. He was only defeated by nova later on because his own power reserves were depleted by Galactus's blast.

Once he lost Q bands he was f**ked and Nova ripped his heart out, no doubt he held his own against Thor who always holds back, BRB wont be holding back in Stormbreaker was proof of that.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Once he lost Q bands he was f**ked and Nova ripped his heart out, no doubt he held his own against Thor who always holds back, BRB wont be holding back in Stormbreaker was proof of that. Actually, defending himself from Galactu's blast exhasted both the QBands and his own power reserves leaving him at Nova's mercy. There is no doubt he was a great deal above Nova as he crushed him efortlessly along with quasar and was going to eat the nova force as well, if it wasn't for worldmind using a trojan horse to infect his fleet.

People need to cut this Thor holds back sorry excuse. He lost, that's it. BRB would lose too.

which blummin' hero doesn't hold back?

I only except the "holding back" argument if it was evident on panel. For the most part every herald leveler holds back to some degree. It's called CIS.

Originally posted by 753
People need to cut this Thor holds back sorry excuse. He lost, that's it. BRB would lose too.

Especially the dozens of times he mentions it on-panel.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Especially the dozens of times he mentions it on-panel. Oh he mentions holding back does he? I guess we're supposed to ignore everything that happens in his comics every time he loses then. If you can find proof that he was specifically holding back against annihilus and that's why he lost, then you'll have an argument. Otherwise we're at "If Superman wants to do something, he can do it, cause he's always holding back" levels of bullshit.

^ You have a fair argument. From my reading, Thor holding back is mostly situational. He doesn't hold back against gods for instance. That's almost across the board. He almost always holds back against humans. Often times, he holds back against new foes he's never met before.

Annihilus? Probably not. But while Thor got KTFO, Thor seemed to have the upperhand against Annihilus right before Odin returned: Originally posted by OneDumbG0
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Annihilus
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Thor vs Annihilus, from Thor #404-05:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsAnnihilus01404.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsAnnihilus02.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsAnnihilus03405.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsAnnihilus04.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsAnnihilus05.jpg

that's thor's "round 2 enchantment" at work.

when he gets back up, watch the fvck out

Annihilus would beat BRB or at least match him. He did extremely well against Thor.

Also, Thor only really holds back against humans/mortals/friends. I don't see a reason why he would hold back against Annihilus, especially given the context in the story where they fought (wherein Annihilus fed on the lifeforce of several Asgardians before he was discovered by Thor).

6/10 or 5/10 going to Annihius here.

Bill wins via cramming his hammer down Annihilus' throat. ermm

Originally posted by Galan007
Bill wins via cramming his hammer down Annihilus' throat. ermm
Annihilus burps for the KO.