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How come both are not considered the same in the Western World?

Why is Anti-Muslim hostility is seen as natural and normal but with Anti-Jewish hostility it is just seen as plain racism.

Why the double standard?

Originally posted by majid86
How come both are not considered the same in the Western World?

Why is Anti-Muslim hostility is seen as natural and normal but with Anti-Jewish hostility it is just seen as plain racism.

Why the double standard?

Well, to some degree there's ignorance and fear involved of course. But I will actually disagree, I believe to the reasonable parts of western society it is the same thing. However, we should differentiate at what fundamentalist Muslims call islamophobia and what actually is. Things that are bad when done to Jews are of course also bad when done to Muslims, but we have to admit that there are certain aggressive elements within Islam that are very much contrary to western beliefs, pointing them out or shunning them can not be considered islamophobia as it is the actual believe that is targeted (just as with say white supremacists) rather than the belonging to a group.

Originally posted by majid86
How come both are not considered the same in the Western World?

Why is Anti-Muslim hostility is seen as natural and normal but with Anti-Jewish hostility it is just seen as plain racism.

Why the double standard? I don't agree with your premise. I don't think antiMuslim hostility is "seen as natural and normal," though thanks largely/most recently to 9/11 it is understandable. And for some groups (eg, white supremicists) antiSemitism is seen as "appropriate."

I thought they were both the same.and it does not happen as offen as people think so I don't know why it is a such a big deal.

Originally posted by majid86
How come both are not considered the same in the Western World?

Why is Anti-Muslim hostility is seen as natural and normal but with Anti-Jewish hostility it is just seen as plain racism.

Why the double standard?

Probably because they are both backward relgions, where lots of followers are still living in the iron age frame of mind.

Just look at what insane things these followers do, excluding the eagerness to violence because "God" is on their side.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
I thought they were both the same.and it does not happen as offen as people think so I don't know why it is a such a big deal. It happens a lot. And even if it didn't it's a big deal and should be discouraged.

Originally posted by majid86
How come both are not considered the same in the Western World?

Why is Anti-Muslim hostility is seen as natural and normal but with Anti-Jewish hostility it is just seen as plain racism.

Why the double standard?

Well those two can't be really compared. Semites belong to particular group of peoples, Israelites and Arabs share this group. Anti-Arab sentiment is Anti-Semitism, so the better question is, why isn't the anti-Arab sentiment called Anti-Semitism.

Islamophobia just does not fit this category - it is (presumably) a hatred or fear of a religion. I could hate and fear Christianity (and many people do) but noone would call me Christophobic or equate it to anti-Semitism or racism. If I was to go on a Christian killing spree however...

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
I thought they were both the same.and it does not happen as offen as people think so I don't know why it is a such a big deal.
That's funny because you have stated islamophobic things many, many times... so it doesn't happen often now? You're the most ironic person on the site who could have said that.

Originally posted by majid86
How come both are not considered the same in the Western World?

Why is Anti-Muslim hostility is seen as natural and normal but with Anti-Jewish hostility it is just seen as plain racism.

Why the double standard? In Canada there was a number of University professors (and students) led by a local socialist politician who demanded that Israeli professors not be allowed in to the universities until Israel cease its unjust treatment of Palestinians. Nothing was officially said about Semites or Islam, but the implications were called out on them.

But maybe that's because there aren't as many Muslims in Canada yet, and Jews are still the favorite rabbit to hunt.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
In Canada there was a number of University professors (and students) led by a local socialist politician who demanded that Israeli professors not be allowed in to the universities until Israel cease its unjust treatment of Palestinians. Nothing was officially said about Semites or Islam, but the implications were called out on them.

But maybe that's because there aren't as many Muslims in Canada yet, and Jews are still the favorite rabbit to hunt.

a stance against Israel is not the same as anti-semitism

Originally posted by inimalist
a stance against Israel is not the same as anti-semitism I know. But my point is that Anti-Israeli sentiment is quite big here, while anything anti-Arab, anti-Palestinian, anti-Muslim is all taboo and unacceptable. Personally I've never known, witnessed or read/heard about true Islamophobia in this region of Canada, while there remains a stronger sense of Anti-Israel. One of (if not the) biggest trade unions in the country organized a boycott of everything Israel, because of the purported injustices being levied against Gaza. The distinction between the nations/regions and their respective major religions is rarely directly attributed, but the sentiment and offense is still felt.

Originally posted by inimalist
a stance against Israel is not the same as anti-semitism It is to Israel.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
If I was to go on a Christian killing spree however...

LOL, then you'd be just like an Islamic jihadist extremist...

Yea it should not happen but that is what happens when you live in the world such as ours.

Originally posted by majid86
How come both are not considered the same in the Western World?

Why is Anti-Muslim hostility is seen as natural and normal but with Anti-Jewish hostility it is just seen as plain racism.

Why the double standard?

Well, Semites are an ethnicity, but Islam isn't.

To be fair though, that's not really what antisemitism means in general usage.

Originally posted by majid86
How come both are not considered the same in the Western World?

Why is Anti-Muslim hostility is seen as natural and normal but with Anti-Jewish hostility it is just seen as plain racism.

Why the double standard?

We're at war with radical Islam. Not so much with radical Judaism. Though the only radical jew I know of is Mrs Brofloski....

Originally posted by Nephthys
We're at war with radical Islam. Not so much with radical Judaism. Though the only radical jew I know of is Mrs Brofloski....

Which begets the question, why aren't we at war with radical Judaism? They've organized tons of attacks on the US.

Becuase the war on radical Islam is going so swimmingly? One thing at a time I guess.

Originally posted by majid86
How come both are not considered the same in the Western World?

Why is Anti-Muslim hostility is seen as natural and normal but with Anti-Jewish hostility it is just seen as plain racism.

Why the double standard?

Cause right now at this time, that is the main focus that the muslims are the terrorists. and that is all the people and media care about.

I know different it's just the redneck idot muslims that are the problem. i know a few muslims in malaysia that went to a catholic school and they didn't care, they just have their religion and follow it as best they can, same would go for a catholic or what ever. but it's the extremists that give the regular ones a bad name. and the terrorist use this and say the west is attacking the muslim way of life! but they are not they are just attacking some terrorist that happen to be muslim (extremists)

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Which begets the question, why aren't we at war with radical Judaism? They've organized tons of attacks on the US. Organized. Not carried out?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Which begets the question, why aren't we at war with radical Judaism? They've organized tons of attacks on the US.

Oh no, you di'n't!

Originally posted by majid86
How come both are not considered the same in the Western World?

Why is Anti-Muslim hostility is seen as natural and normal but with Anti-Jewish hostility it is just seen as plain racism.

Why the double standard?

Essentially, because today jews are viewed as westerners and muslims are seen as the 'other'. Plus, the holocaust is still too fresh in everyone's memories for the good ole anti-semitism to return as it was - calling them foreigners in their birth countries. I don't think the acceptance of islamophobia is as prevalent as you believe though.

The hostility to islam that does occur, mostly stems from phobia of migration in Europe and moronic reactions to the WTC attacks in the USA. In Latin America, islam is mostly ignored or treated as a matter of curiosity, aversion to it is pratically inexistant.

Scapegoats are always needed for war.

Hitler used Anti-Semitism as a means to go to war with Germany, while the USA is using this Islamophobia as a means to go to war with the Middle East.

After 911 alot people been Islamophibia and I don't think that will change any time soon.But I think it will get better as years go by.As for Anti-Semitism I don't think that it is a issue for anyone at all.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
As for Anti-Semitism I don't think that it is a issue for anyone at all.

Don't you think the Jews might have a problem with it?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Don't you think the Jews might have a problem with it?

Why don't you ask one and find out.

Uh, yeah, it's still a problem. As for your ignorant comment of "radical Judaism" and attacks in the US, I can name one attack planned by Kahanists that was successfully foiled. They pull off a lot of shit in Israel, most of it unsuccessful but their threat in the US is non-existent. The common profile of a terrorist in America is white, chrisitan, bald, and wearing red-laced Doc Martens.

Maybe but they get use to it after awhile.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
Maybe but they get use to it after awhile.

And that makes it okay?

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Uh, yeah, it's still a problem. As for your ignorant comment of "radical Judaism" and attacks in the US, I can name one attack planned by Kahanists that was successfully foiled.

Er in the 1970s the JDL blew up like a dozen buildings. The FBI considers them a legitimate terrorist threat even to this day.

People bad mouth and againist people who are Chiristian more then just the jews and I let it side.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
People bad mouth and againist people who are Chiristian more then just the jews and I let it side.

That's quite different though. It's not a bigoted hate of Christians that most people have. Additionally Christians happen to be the majority.

If it happens as some sort of "racist" hatred against Christians then that is just as bad, however the effects are usually not nearly as severe.

What most terrorists in the US look like-

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Neo-Nazi_Skinhead.jpg

http://media2.newsobserver.com/smedia/2010/09/09/22/AbortionClinicBomber%202_G3D1M93IL.1+JustinMoose2.embedded.prod_affiliate.156.jpg

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2010/03/militia-mugshots-2-cropped-proto-custom_2.jpg


And just to be clear, these do not include REAL skinheads-

http://www.punk.cz/data/usr_125_default/trojan_skinss.jpg

I would have said so too, but aparently the FBI disagrees, iirc, Latinos were the largest group

Of what?

FFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU...

I actually just deleted the bookmark....

here is a news report:

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+loonwatch+%28loonwatch.com%29

and the FBI document... it might be worth reading sometime, I have no idea what they are qualifying as terrorism

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005/terror02_05

interesting to note, a good number of those come from Peurto Rico, I imagine the Communist, Leftist and maybe even Latino numbers are inflated because of this.

This is curious. Apparently, environmentalists targeting property and materials, but not people, madee up the majority of attacks carried out between 2002 adn 2005. Right wing extremists made up the majority of attacks aborted by the FBI.

ya, it is a weird issue of definitions...

idk, I tend to see labs and such being targeted as legitimate "terrorism", just, ya, probably of a totally different nature than the violent stuff that militias plan

Yeah I agree. Vandalism is a more adequate definition for most of the incidents they called 'terrorist attacks'. I personally cannot lump the deliberate destruction of property toghether with the deliberate killing of innocent people

Edit: I think this treatment of any politically motivated ilegal action as terrorism is more of a political use of a buzzword than anything else.

Originally posted by 753
Yeah I agree. Vandalism is a more adequate definition for most of the incidents they called 'terrorist attacks'. I personally cannot lump the deliberate destruction of property toghether with the deliberate killing of innocent people

Edit: I think this treatment of any politically motivated ilegal action as terrorism is more of a political use of a buzzword than anything else.

fair enough, though, if it is vandalism or property destruction aimed at intimidating someone, to me that still is "terrorism".