Originally posted by zopzop
Oh please. How many times has that "destruction of lower realms" argument been used before? Odin/Seth, Galactus/Mephisto, Agamotto/Galactus, Mephisto/Satannish, etc... Everytime magical beings throw down it affects other dimensions. It didn't start or end with Shuma/Strange.
Just mentioning it because you have some weird hate for the Shuma-Gorath character and continuously try to downplay it yet at the same time you massively overrate Zom...a guy who did absolutely nothing.
No that's not what I'm arguing. The fact that Strange absorbed Arioch with ease when he's supposed to be all powerful, then going on WTFPWNing Gorath in his own realm in the stupidest way imaginable. He literally hurled a flaming ball at him. Then Gorath died.
Again, only you can't smell the massive PIS used with Arioch. Fact is, Arioch was an infinite and made of sufficient power to bust galaxies by his presence. And again, it was a flaming replica made of Shuma-Gorath's energy. You're arguing its power based on its size/shape. And it wasn't exactly a WTFPWN as you make it, considering Strange had to murder his ego to prevent Gorath from consuming him. Shuma survived but an aspect of Strange was murdered. Even still, it's lolworthy how you're trying to make it as if it was Strange the mortal who did this. It's even said explicitly during their battle that their was hardly any aspect of Doctor Strange left and that he was a God at that point.
The LT didn't even have to make an appearance it was so beneath him
LOL at you thinking the Living Tribunal appeared because he was remotely concerned about Zom's "power" at all.
Fact : Somehow, somewhere, Dormammu got the Chains of Living Bondage on Zom's hands
Makes Zom look very bad. Dormammu imprisoned Zom. How embarrassing.
Fact : Even so bound, his power dwarfed Dormammu's
Obviously not by much because Dormammu was able to bind Zom. And Shuma's power dwarfs Dormammu's a great deal so what's your point?
Fact : Eternity had to step in and imprison him (not even destroy him)
It isn't even said that they battled. Quit trying to make it like Eternity's involvement was such a huge deal lol
Fact : Once released, Strange/Ancient One or Umar couldn't stop him
Nobody could stop Shuma's return to Earth and Strange had to murder the Ancient One who succumbed to Shuma's power instantly.
Fact : Umar stated that if those manacles come off, it's game over (even with them on he was melting her spells with ease)
So because Umar couldn't stop Zom that means he's beyond Eternity now?
Fact : He started to break his chains (but not the manacles yet) before the LT arrived
After all those years he's finally able to almost break his chains put on him by Dormammu. Oh yea, super impressive.
Fact : He was about to kill Strange/Ancient One before LT arrived\
Conjecture, conjecture, conjecture. Stop posting.
Fact : The LT tried to kill him, but Zom survived as a sliver of his former power and can reform into the full Zom if given a chance
The Living Tribunal never tried to kill Zom. He appeared, Zom shat himself, LT waved his hand and Zom went bye bye.
Fact : Strange bested Arioch with ease in his own dimension
Again, only you can't smell the massive PIS.
Fact : Strange killed Gorath in his own dimension
It wasn't Strange the mortal. It was Strange/Arioch the God who already had massive prep, magical backing from The Vishanti and Cyttorak, and had already started turning into Shuma-Gorath in the process. I love how desperate you are to downplay Shuma.
See the HUGE difference?
Yea, the huge difference is that Shuma-Gorath actually has things to back up its power whereas Zom...oh yea, he was put in chains by Dormammu and stalemated a regular Doctor Strange
More BS, there was even a quote from the writer of the whole WWH story arc stating Strange was merely channelling a fraction of Zom's power, that's the only reason the planet was still on it's axis.
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=130244&highlight=war+room
Because when all of Zom was on earth previously the Earth wasn't on its axis anymore right?
Keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep through the night.
Quit being so butthurt. Zom's nothing special.