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I mean, it would be a KMC Vs forum dream come true if there was a comic that showcased an all-out brawl between Superman and Thor (or some other iconic fight), with minimal plot setup...filling every panel of 32 page issue with no filler or extraneous material?

I mean, surely there is demand for such a product...I mean I would buy that in a heartbeat even if they charged 10 bucks or more.

I feel like fights in comics are teasers. They show 2 or 3 panels of action and then drag on and on...over a few issues.

Why don't they ever show a full-scale fight in its entirety...I mean that sentry vs thor BS was one example of how they like to tease fans with morsels.

I personally think it would be a great idea if once a month they released a issue of just pure action between characters voted in by fans...sorta like marvel vs dc, but not so shitty and with focus on only 2 characters at a time. This could be written as a What if...so it keeps characters in character but it would not be canon plotwise.

What do you guys think?

Eh, I wouldn't like it, I don't think. I need the set up and plot around the fights to really care. Otherwise you can't take the fights 'seriously.'

Originally posted by Kinneary
Eh, I wouldn't like it, I don't think. I need the set up and plot around the fights to really care. Otherwise you can't take the fights 'seriously.'


i completely agree 100%.......i mean imo it would be stupid to just have panel one be like superman just swinging at thor.....why would they be fighting?

and sure they could add that into thought bubbles or box's but do you know how long it would be to finish one story arc and have it at least make some sense?

The set up should always be a game of ultimate frisby that goes poorly.

*Frisby lands at Thors feet*

Superman: Little help?

*Thor laughs and tosses Frisby into the distance*

Superman: It's on *****.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
The set up should always be a game of ultimate frisby that goes poorly.

*Frisby lands at Thors feet*

Superman: Little help?

*Thor laughs and tosses Frisby into the distance*

Superman: It's on *****. Weak story plot.

Are that loser name Brian Bendis?

I need a mod for perma ban here!

Originally posted by Martian_mind
The set up should always be a game of ultimate frisby that goes poorly.

*Frisby lands at Thors feet*

Superman: Little help?

*Thor laughs and tosses Frisby into the distance*

Superman: It's on *****.


I'd buy it.

You're right, KMC would go ape-sh*t, and the vs. forum junkies would buy every issue. Youtube videos of "definitive" battles would run rampant, internet trolling would reach new highs, all would be right with the world.

Then the title would get canceled due to lack of sales.

Contrary to the tint KMC puts on our goggles as we view the industry, the "vs. forum junkies" are a vast, vast minority of the comic-reading public. And the majority of comic sales, which come from teens who follow 1-2 characters or teams, read for 3-5 years, then stop, don't have the context or knowledge to really invest themselves intellectually in such an endeavor. They'd pick up an issue with their favorite(s) in it, but little else. So I suppose "Wolverine vs. ____" might work long-term, but nothing that would sate the KMC crowd.

What about the Arena thing that happened during the Monarch storyline? Certainly its plot was awful so the fights were kind of the shtick; if they didn't sell much it partially answers our question.

Originally posted by Bentley
What about the Arena thing that happened during the Monarch storyline? Certainly its plot was awful so the fights were kind of the shtick; if they didn't sell much it partially answers our question.

Partially. Short-term and long-term sales are different beasts. I have no doubt that this idea could work as, say, a 6-issue limited series. As an ongoing, not so much.

Originally posted by Digi
You're right, KMC would go ape-sh*t, and the vs. forum junkies would buy every issue. Youtube videos of "definitive" battles would run rampant, internet trolling would reach new highs, all would be right with the world.

Then the title would get canceled due to lack of sales.

Contrary to the tint KMC puts on our goggles as we view the industry, the "vs. forum junkies" are a vast, vast minority of the comic-reading public. And the majority of comic sales, which come from teens who follow 1-2 characters or teams, read for 3-5 years, then stop, don't have the context or knowledge to really invest themselves intellectually in such an endeavor. They'd pick up an issue with their favorite(s) in it, but little else. So I suppose "Wolverine vs. ____" might work long-term, but nothing that would sate the KMC crowd. digi, and others...I think you're misunderstanding me

I'm not saying have this allout plotless battle to replace status quo of comics...rather it would just be a special in addition to our regular comics

perhaps make it a quarterly event...ie once every 3 months, to build up anticipation and have enough fan feedback

I mean I think it's a great idea personally

Originally posted by Digi
Partially. Short-term and long-term sales are different beasts. I have no doubt that this idea could work as, say, a 6-issue limited series. As an ongoing, not so much. I think it would work as an ongoing...but in a very limited capacity (ie 4 times a year)

that way the novelty doesn't wear off

I mean it would work like american idol

we the fans would vote for the battle we'd like to see happen most, and they make it true....but only once every 3 months...this way there will always be good fights to make

"Pure fights" is the realm of fanart.

Anything that has less plot than the average porno isn't very compelling.

A fight scene becomes ten times more interesting when the combatants have actual motives for fighting, for example: seeing a smug villain get his jaw broken is one of the most satisfying events that can come from a fight scene.

Just seeing two people duking it out with no external plot and without context is just masturbatory.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
"Pure fights" is the realm of fanart.

Anything that has less plot than the average porno isn't very compelling.

A fight scene becomes ten times more interesting when the combatants have actual motives for fighting, for example: seeing a smug villain get his jaw broken is one of the most satisfying events that can come from a fight scene.

Just seeing two people duking it out with no external plot and without context is just masturbatory. Oh yeah?

then why the hell is the VS forum so damn popular...ie the most popular of all subforums on KMC?

I mean its basically straightup fights without any pretense of plot or motivation for characters to fight.

Originally posted by Starscream M
digi, and others...I think you're misunderstanding me

I'm not saying have this allout plotless battle to replace status quo of comics...rather it would just be a special in addition to our regular comics

perhaps make it a quarterly event...ie once every 3 months, to build up anticipation and have enough fan feedback

I mean I think it's a great idea personally

i could agree with this as long as their was a lead up plot and the final fight could be done in such a manner.

Originally posted by Starscream M
Oh yeah?

then why the hell is the VS forum so damn popular...ie the most popular of all subforums on KMC?

I mean its basically straightup fights without any pretense of plot or motivation for characters to fight.
Way to miss the point.

I wouldn't pay money for a comic that has no plot. Nor would most readers. And money is what the comics companies really care about at the end of the day, its an industry.

The issue is that fights can have plot, and they can certainly be written, some intelligent shouen manga prove as much.

As for it being an ungoing it would be awful, maybe making it a feature like rewriting existing comics just by extending the fight scenes, at least there people who liked the orginal comic could be interested.

I conceived an idea close to the battle-only theme described here, but they were mostly team fights and depended heavily in strategy to be enjoyable. Otherwise it is kind of lacking imo.

Originally posted by Starscream M
I think it would work as an ongoing...but in a very limited capacity (ie 4 times a year)

that way the novelty doesn't wear off

I mean it would work like american idol

we the fans would vote for the battle we'd like to see happen most, and they make it true....but only once every 3 months...this way there will always be good fights to make

Sure, this could work.

Tbh though, it's not something I'd buy, though there may be enough who would to justify making it. We already pool together so much more information in vs. battles than they could squeeze into one battle-comic, that it would just be a metaphoric drop in the bucket vs-wise. I've never been as into the vs. forum as many, though, so the appeal isn't quite there for me.

Again though, most fans read comics for the characters and plot, not for comparative battle purposes. I think your idea could work, but I still think you're dealing with a much smaller niche market than you realize.

Originally posted by Digi
You're right, KMC would go ape-sh*t, and the vs. forum junkies would buy every issue. Youtube videos of "definitive" battles would run rampant, internet trolling would reach new highs, all would be right with the world.

Then the title would get canceled due to lack of sales.

Contrary to the tint KMC puts on our goggles as we view the industry, the "vs. forum junkies" are a vast, vast minority of the comic-reading public. And the majority of comic sales, which come from teens who follow 1-2 characters or teams, read for 3-5 years, then stop, don't have the context or knowledge to really invest themselves intellectually in such an endeavor. They'd pick up an issue with their favorite(s) in it, but little else. So I suppose "Wolverine vs. ____" might work long-term, but nothing that would sate the KMC crowd. Exactly. Wolverine is simply a guy with claws and Spider-Man is a guy with webs, they don't really no more or care about more than that.

I think a comic with a straight up fight could work, but it would have to be set up in the issue before. The angle would have to be set up, the reason that the fight's taking place. Even throughout the comic with the fight, there would have to be little details in between to keep some context. Even in a one-shot, there would have to be some kind of context to it, otherwise it wouldn't be as interesting.

It could work, but I don't think it would be successful on a large scale and it would probably have a negative impact on the industry as a whole. People would be far less exited about crossovers if they've already read the most definitive outcome of a fight between two character so sales would probably suffer overall.

But as long as they didn't go overboard with it, I'd love to see the occasional 24-30 page slugfest. The closest thing I've ever seen was in the Death of Superman, and that's still my favorite fight ever...

^ The Sodam Yat-Prime fight was pretty extensive too, it took up almost all of a single comic.