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Who wins ?

Ganondorf rips it in half... Next.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Ganondorf rips it in half... Next. Based on what ? He failed to rip Link in half. He struggled in chains against old sages. one sword stabbing put him down. The archdemon took riordan's slashes like ripping off a bandaid.

I think the archdemon chews him and spits him out.

You mean those same chains what supported a massive stone block without strain, while Ganondorf had a sword in his chest, within moments of first receiving his power? haermm GEE, that sure seems like a valid argument against his strength... Ohwait,noitdoesn't.

Curbstomp is such an ugly word.

Yet it is adequate for this thread.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Ganondorf rips it in half... Next.

I would think Ganondorf might keep it as his pet rather than killing it.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You mean those same chains what supported a massive stone block without strain, while Ganondorf had a sword in his chest, within moments of first receiving his power? haermm GEE, that sure seems like a valid argument against his strength... Ohwait,noitdoesn't. Yeah and he was easily defeated right after he broke free by those same sages with only losing one guy. he also sat there stunned while they just stared at him. The guy loses to just seven guys and Link buried him the second time a normal hyrulian with a few weeks of training.
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Archdemon dominates Dorf all day. Get back to me when he actually beats someone.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I would think Ganondorf might keep it as his pet rather than killing it. Based on what ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on what ?

Based on the superior strength, magic, and TK feats that I've heard of. Only thing I know about this dragon is his flames which hurt your soul or whatever. Nothing special.

What about that time he beat an entire country?

Plus he's kicked Zelda's ass like 50 times already.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yeah and he was easily defeated right after he broke free by those same sages with only losing one guy. he also sat there stunned while they just stared at him. The guy loses to just seven guys and Link buried him the second time a normal hyrulian with a few weeks of training.
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Archdemon dominates Dorf all day. Get back to me when he actually beats someone. Get your "normal Hylian" shit out of here, Link successfully overpowered Ganondorf in a sword lock, and threw Gorons around like ragdolls, he is far from normal.

Also, low showing, he was probably in shock, the Sages clearly got lucky. And he got better, and the tnrie game displays that is extremely powerful. Shit like merging two dimensions over the span of an entire country? Freezing all of Zora's domain? ect.

Bring a feat for the archdemon or gtfo.

The Archdemon does not actually have any feats, so I dont know why you keep saying the Archdemon can beat anyone Quanchi. Its a small, slow and not at all impressive Dragon.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Based on the superior strength, magic, and TK feats that I've heard of. Only thing I know about this dragon is his flames which hurt your soul or whatever. Nothing special. So basically you never played tp and have no idea what you are discussing about. Thanks for clearing it up. Play the games before forming an opinion. Originally posted by Nephthys
What about that time he beat an entire country?

Plus he's kicked Zelda's ass like 50 times already. This is tp dorf so please quit referencing other dorfs. Beating zelda is impressive how ?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Get your "normal Hylian" shit out of here, Link successfully overpowered Ganondorf in a sword lock, and threw Gorons around like ragdolls, he is far from normal.

Also, low showing, he was probably in shock, the Sages clearly got lucky. And he got better, and the tnrie game displays that is extremely powerful. Shit like merging two dimensions over the span of an entire country? Freezing all of Zora's domain? ect.

Bring a feat for the archdemon or gtfo. Link needs gear to deal with Gorons proving he's not strong and bo did the same thing.

Link with a few weeks experience beat dorf with many years experience and despite him being more powerful. Dorf not being able to overpower Link without the boots on shows how not strong he is. Thanks for that.

he barely has any showings in this game and he loses all throughout the game so funny you want to ignore him getting dominated by sages.

The archdemon destroyed petty armies per cinema and shrugged off Riordan like a nonfactor despite all the damage he caused. Arch took on more than 7 and dominated whereas dorf lost to 7 and then one on one.

By feats archdemon>>>>>>>>dorf.

Originally posted by Burning thought
The Archdemon does not actually have any feats, so I dont know why you keep saying the Archdemon can beat anyone Quanchi. Its a small, slow and not at all impressive Dragon. If you played the game you'd know he has feats. He took on forces and easily crushed them in cinema whereas dorf lost to 7 guys and easily. They only lost one man and stood and let him counter.

Name a single person the Archdemon killed.

Emphasis on name.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Name a single person the Archdemon killed.

Emphasis on name. Name a single person who took on the archdemon.


I mean name someone Dorf killed from tp. He couldn't even kill Midna.

Originally posted by Burning thought
The Archdemon does not actually have any feats, so I dont know why you keep saying the Archdemon can beat anyone Quanchi. Its a small, slow and not at all impressive Dragon.
If BT says that Ganondorf wins, he wins.. don't even need to see this Archdemon's feats.

Originally posted by BloodRain
If BT says that Ganondorf wins, he wins.. don't even need to see this Archdemon's feats. Bt doesn't have a clue about the archdemon.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Name a single person who took on the archdemon.


I mean name someone Dorf killed from tp. He couldn't even kill Midna. So you admit the Archdemon beat no one of importance? Good to know.

No he just effortlessly crushed her. So Ganondorf has defeated a named character, the Archdemon cannot say the same.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So basically you never played tp and have no idea what you are discussing about. Thanks for clearing it up. Play the games before forming an opinion.

I have no interest in either game(well maybe TP since I have a Wii and it's going to waste). Just want a few feats is all Quan. All ya got to do is give me reason to believe the Archdemon wins and I'll side with you whole heartedly.

Originally posted by NemeBro
So you admit the Archdemon beat no one of importance? Good to know.

No he just effortlessly crushed her. So Ganondorf has defeated a named character, the Archdemon cannot say the same. Ok, fine Riordan.




You also claimed earlier which I let slide Jowan wasn't even in your party which was also incorrect.

I am laughing so hard right now at how I toy with you and your answers. Archdemon killed riordan while dorf didn't kill midna. What a failure he was and he was beaten by an inexperienced Link with a month of training at best. One on one, sport.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I have no interest in either game(well maybe TP since I have a Wii and it's going to waste). Just want a few feats is all Quan. All ya got to do is give me reason to believe the Archdemon wins and I'll side with you whole heartedly. I don't look things up on youtube but if you type in archdemon on there I bet you can see this monster in action. The ease in which it toys with forces of enemies and laughs off damage is unreal.

2 pages, no actual feats or reasons being said.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok, fine Riordan.




You also claimed earlier which I let slide Jowan wasn't even in your party which was also incorrect.

I am laughing so hard right now at how I toy with you and your answers. Archdemon killed riordan while dorf didn't kill midna. What a failure he was and he was beaten by an inexperienced Link with a month of training at best. One on one, sport. No, gravity killed Riordan. Now Quan for you gravity may be a hard concept to grasp, but basically whenever you forget the ground is loser than your porchsteps and you fall on your face, that's gravity in effect.

Show me when I said that you pompous fool.

No, gravity killed Riordan, and Riordan was able to **** up the Archdemon's wing so he could not longer fly. Ganondorf easily beat Midna and came out without a scratch. Only Link could physically manhandle the Archdemon and kill the Darkspawn himself.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Bt doesn't have a clue about the archdemon.

Considering I have the same if not more experiance in the game than you do (having completed it several times) minus the fact you wank the pitiful dragon to no end despite it being beaten canonically by whats basically a few skilled blokes. I would say I know more than enough.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't look things up on youtube but if you type in archdemon on there I bet you can see this monster in action. The ease in which it toys with forces of enemies and laughs off damage is unreal. I know right!?

5M_JxfoTywM

LOOK AT THIS SHIT GAIZ!!!

Isn't it UNREAL!?

"sigh", and Quanchi if you even bothered looking at the canon, I dont think theres anyone present than the members of the party. No "vast armies" attacking it at all. Its wounded and beaten and then murdered by a single warden.

But dude, didn't you see it take on like, what? TEN guys at once!?

Originally posted by NemeBro
No, gravity killed Riordan. Now Quan for you gravity may be a hard concept to grasp, but basically whenever you forget the ground is loser than your porchsteps and you fall on your face, that's gravity in effect.

Show me when I said that you pompous fool.

No, gravity killed Riordan, and Riordan was able to **** up the Archdemon's wing so he could not longer fly. Ganondorf easily beat Midna and came out without a scratch. Only Link could physically manhandle the Archdemon and kill the Darkspawn himself. No, the archdemon moved so as to shake him off so he was responsible for killing him. If I jump onto a dragon and he tries to toss me off then he kills me if he succeeds. Gravity stays as is it was his actions which tossed him.

Give me a moment and I will, sport.

The archdemon flew in the final battle right at the start he couldn't fly large distances. Did you even play the game he starts out basically flying to the other side. Originally posted by Burning thought
Considering I have the same if not more experiance in the game than you do (having completed it several times) minus the fact you wank the pitiful dragon to no end despite it being beaten canonically by whats basically a few skilled blokes. I would say I know more than enough. I also completed it more than once along with all the downloadable content. I unlike you understood it. You don't even understand lok. I mean you really don't grasp anything you play it seems.

It took one claw from Raziel to rip out Kain's heart whereas it took 4 party members to beat Kain. 4>1. Do the math.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I know right!?

5M_JxfoTywM

LOOK AT THIS SHIT GAIZ!!!

Isn't it UNREAL!? ????

Originally posted by Burning thought
"sigh", and Quanchi if you even bothered looking at the canon, I dont think theres anyone present than the members of the party. No "vast armies" attacking it at all. Its wounded and beaten and then murdered by a single warden. 4 members and the forces he defeated prioro to along with Riordan's damage means more than 4 people it took to beat him. That's all canon too.

Wow, the power to knock over three men at once.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Wow, the power to knock over three men at once. Dorf failed to beat one inexperienced Link who'd get annihilated by 4 party members at once in dragon age. I mean annihilated.

Originally posted by quanchi112

It took one claw from Raziel to rip out Kain's heart whereas it took 4 party members to beat Kain. 4>1. Do the math.

your so delusional, its almost like you dont understand power scale or strength.

Does this math still count if that one in your calculation was say.....Thanos?

You lose again.....

Raziel>100 Grey wardens. One jump and on his head Razie lwill go, only to tug it off a second later. Not that its relevent, LoK is in the other thread chuckles.

Yep Raziel is better than 100 wardens. Specially some generic ones that are peak human at best.

As for the fight Ganon punches it to death or seals Archedemon into the twilight realm.

Originally posted by Burning thought
your so delusional, its almost like you dont understand power scale or strength.

Does this math still count if that one in your calculation was say.....Thanos?

You lose again.....

Raziel>100 Grey wardens. One jump and on his head Razie lwill go, only to tug it off a second later. Not that its relevent, LoK is in the other thread chuckles. See this is why you don't debate or don't know how you say something just childish like Raziel is > 100 wardens. This is similar to something a 6 year old would say.

What has Raziel done to suggest he can beat 20 humans into dust. I want to hear you prove something.

Originally posted by Phanteros
Yep Raziel is better than 100 wardens. Specially some generic ones that are peak human at best.

As for the fight Ganon punches it to death or seals Archedemon into the twilight realm. The ignorance in this thread is hysterical.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Dorf failed to beat one inexperienced Link who'd get annihilated by 4 party members at once in dragon age. I mean annihilated. Link is greater than Any Grey warden. And I hardly put inexperience in the same catogory with Link as he shown equal to greater skill than a warden. I never recall a warden ever able to lift bolders and fling them at the speed Link did.

Originally posted by quanchi112


The ignorance in this thread is hysterical. Same can be said about your post.

Originally posted by Phanteros
Link is greater than Any Grey warden. And I hardly put inexperience in the same catogory with Link as he shown equal to greater skill than a warden. I never recall a warden ever able to lift bolders and fling them at the speed Link did. Not at all. Link isn't greater than any grey warden by any means. He lacks the experience, the ability, and the necessary swordsmanship to get the job done.

Link never did anything even remotely strong outside a gear induced feat which made even Bo capable of similar feats.

Originally posted by Phanteros
Same can be said about your post. You just said Raziel can beat 100 wardens. That's completely amusing to me.

Originally posted by quanchi112
See this is why you debate to teach people who don't know how you say something well informed like Raziel is > 100 wardens. This is similar to something someone who knows what their talking about would say.

What has Raziel done to suggest he can beat 20 humans into dust other than battle enormous demons, show the strength and capacity to move tonnes and has immortality that would allow him to wipe out as many humans as he damn well pleases?

zomg! why isnt anyone loving on my featless dragonzz!!



Corrected your post.

Although this:

Originally posted by quanchi112

The ignorance in this thread is hysterical.

I agree with.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I know right!?

5M_JxfoTywM

LOOK AT THIS SHIT GAIZ!!!

Isn't it UNREAL!?

The dragon was being pierced by what looked like normal arrows and this thread is still going?

Ganon rips its head off like tinfoil.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not at all. Link isn't greater than any grey warden by any means. He lacks the experience, the ability, and the necessary swordsmanship to get the job done.

Link never did anything even remotely strong outside a gear induced feat which made even Bo capable of similar feats.

You just said Raziel can beat 100 wardens. That's completely amusing to me. From what I recall, your warden depending on the origins isn't as experience either. LOl at Link lacking swordsmanship, standard wardens use basic sword slashes while link can do great spin and draw. as for abilities he has the equipment and endurance to pummel that Archedemon to death with the golden gauntlets. Lets not forget this won't be first time he fought a dragon and won.

Seeing as normal arrows can pierce and hurt Archedemon Ganon cand simply use basic attacks to demolish him.

he did move boulders without gauntlets in A Link to the past.

Is it amusing because its true?

Quanchi is easily amused.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Corrected your post.

Although this:



I agree with. So you alter quotes now. That won't take away from me lapping you mentally two times now by my count.

Ganondorf isn't a Grey Warden which means that after he rips Archdemon's head off, it'll posess the nearest Darkspawn and Ganondorf will kill that Darkspawn and the one after that, and the next, and the next until every Darkspawn in Ferelden is slain.

Quanchi, please stop with the bashing. You're removing quite a lot of context from certain scenes to makes Ganondorf sound weaker than he is. Allow me to outline some things. I'll just use your biggest post for this.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Link needs gear to deal with Gorons proving he's not strong and bo did the same thing.


This is irrelevant to the thread, really, but I'll address it anyway. Needing gear to stop Gorons does not make Link weak. It just prevents him from being thrown around. After the Goron stops moving the boots are no longer necessary, and the throwing of the Goron does not use the weight that the boots provide. I'm not going to respond to anything concerning this, so I suggest dropping it.



Have you ever considered the quality of the experience Link recieves? From the moment Link's adventure begins he's taking down monsters much larger than the archdemon, and dealing with an army of monsters, including a Bulblin military and several highly skilled monsters such as Darknuts and Dinofols. The skill that Link shows overshadows any experience he may lack in your eyes. I won't respond to this, either.



Again, you are removing context and attempting to downplay Ganondorf. Watch the cutscene:
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First off, Ganondorf was caught and executed before he showed any power at all, so you claiming that he is weak, while technically accurate, is fallacious as that is not the current Ganondorf. It is a flashback that is implied to have happened hundreds of years ago, when Ganondorf didn't have much power or experience/skill. You claiming that the Sages could kill him is again fallacious, as the Sages killed a powerless Ganondorf, before he recieved the Triforce of Power. And if you simply watch the cutscene, you will see that after Ganondorf gains his powers, he is not only able to laugh off the sword that killed his weaker form, but he can disintegrate a Sage with a touch. The Sage of Water, specifically. Does the Archdemon have anything similar, or a least any resistance to a disintegrating touch?
Finally, the scene where the Sage supposedly "dominate" Ganondorf. Of course, you have failed to recall that they did this using a highly powerful artifact, which also failed to actually harm Ganondorf in any way. Unless the Archdemon has the ability to BFR Ganondorf to another dimension (ignoring the fact that Ganondorf gained the power to escape this) then he has no way of "dominating" Ganondorf.



You're referring to this?
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That's actually quite pathetic. Not only is Riordan able to damage the Archdemon with a normal sword, the Archdemon actually fails to shake him off for some time. The dude tore the Archdemon to pieces, and in no way is he treated like a nonfactor. The Archdemon was screaming in pain the entire time. In fact, he cut the thing too well, and the only reason Riordan fell is because his sword cut all the way through and fell out. The only possible redeeming thing about this scene is the Archdemon's resistance to blunt force via the stone tower collision. Oh, and at 1:08? Looks like the Archdemon fell too, or else it gets a kick out of spinning drunkenly through the air.



By feats, Ganondorf has superior durability (normal sword vs. Sage's Sword/Master Sword), superior power (breaking tower vs. castle exploding), superior magic (fire breath vs. disintegrating touch), and possibly similar speed, though Ganondorf can teleport.

What prevents Ganondorf from simply possessing the Archdemon, trapping it in a barrier, twilighting it, castle exploding it, or just going Ganon and stepping on it?

And thanks to Riordan, The Archdemon couldn't fly anymore. Thing got injured with a normal sword by a peak human. Imagine what Ganon might do with his mastery of magic.

The Archdemon is barely that far past the likes of maybe a high to top-tier Elder Dragon (ie White Fatalis/Alatreon/Raviente), and really, the biggest benefactor for Elder Dragons is generally just hyperbole.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The dragon was being pierced by what looked like normal arrows and this thread is still going?

Ganon rips its head off like tinfoil. Dorf was impaled twice and chained up. Yeah dorf gets beaten here worse than when he challenged Link that kid with 3 weeks worth of training.

Originally posted by Phanteros
From what I recall, your warden depending on the origins isn't as experience either. LOl at Link lacking swordsmanship, standard wardens use basic sword slashes while link can do great spin and draw. as for abilities he has the equipment and endurance to pummel that Archedemon to death with the golden gauntlets. Lets not forget this won't be first time he fought a dragon and won.

Seeing as normal arrows can pierce and hurt Archedemon Ganon cand simply use basic attacks to demolish him.

he did move boulders without gauntlets in A Link to the past.

Is it amusing because its true? Which warden lacks experience ? Please go on with this. Also it isn't just a warden but armies and party members loaded with experience. Context it's so much fun whereas Link stomps Dorf without even a month's worth of experience.


The archdemon isn't a normal dragon now is it ? No, and let's not forget Dorf is easily impaled by swords. The archdemon crunches him.

This isn't Dorf nor Link from alttp. Please look up at the thread before you put your foot in your mouth again.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Quanchi, please stop with the bashing. You're removing quite a lot of context from certain scenes to makes Ganondorf sound weaker than he is. Allow me to outline some things. I'll just use your biggest post for this.



This is irrelevant to the thread, really, but I'll address it anyway. Needing gear to stop Gorons does not make Link weak. It just prevents him from being thrown around. After the Goron stops moving the boots are no longer necessary, and the throwing of the Goron does not use the weight that the boots provide. I'm not going to respond to anything concerning this, so I suggest dropping it.



Have you ever considered the quality of the experience Link recieves? From the moment Link's adventure begins he's taking down monsters much larger than the archdemon, and dealing with an army of monsters, including a Bulblin military and several highly skilled monsters such as Darknuts and Dinofols. The skill that Link shows overshadows any experience he may lack in your eyes. I won't respond to this, either.



Again, you are removing context and attempting to downplay Ganondorf. Watch the cutscene:
BVYggDnaJgY
First off, Ganondorf was caught and executed before he showed any power at all, so you claiming that he is weak, while technically accurate, is fallacious as that is not the current Ganondorf. It is a flashback that is implied to have happened hundreds of years ago, when Ganondorf didn't have much power or experience/skill. You claiming that the Sages could kill him is again fallacious, as the Sages killed a powerless Ganondorf, before he recieved the Triforce of Power. And if you simply watch the cutscene, you will see that after Ganondorf gains his powers, he is not only able to laugh off the sword that killed his weaker form, but he can disintegrate a Sage with a touch. The Sage of Water, specifically. Does the Archdemon have anything similar, or a least any resistance to a disintegrating touch?
Finally, the scene where the Sage supposedly "dominate" Ganondorf. Of course, you have failed to recall that they did this using a highly powerful artifact, which also failed to actually harm Ganondorf in any way. Unless the Archdemon has the ability to BFR Ganondorf to another dimension (ignoring the fact that Ganondorf gained the power to escape this) then he has no way of "dominating" Ganondorf.



You're referring to this?
sdaQC6GUrnU

That's actually quite pathetic. Not only is Riordan able to damage the Archdemon with a normal sword, the Archdemon actually fails to shake him off for some time. The dude tore the Archdemon to pieces, and in no way is he treated like a nonfactor. The Archdemon was screaming in pain the entire time. In fact, he cut the thing too well, and the only reason Riordan fell is because his sword cut all the way through and fell out. The only possible redeeming thing about this scene is the Archdemon's resistance to blunt force via the stone tower collision. Oh, and at 1:08? Looks like the Archdemon fell too, or else it gets a kick out of spinning drunkenly through the air.



By feats, Ganondorf has superior durability (normal sword vs. Sage's Sword/Master Sword), superior power (breaking tower vs. castle exploding), superior magic (fire breath vs. disintegrating touch), and possibly similar speed, though Ganondorf can teleport.

What prevents Ganondorf from simply possessing the Archdemon, trapping it in a barrier, twilighting it, castle exploding it, or just going Ganon and stepping on it? You've never ever countered this. This just shows without the boots he can't contend with them making this only possible with the boots showing without them he's nowhere near strong enough to contest with them only with the added weight the boots provide. That was so much fun but moving on.

What being was much larger than the archdemon ? Name one please.

Link's opponents save Zant and a few others weren't up to par by any means considering who you face up against in dragon age. I mean giant spiders and what not aren't formidable by any means it's just dull and unimpressive. Try taking it to sloth demons, caladrius, witherfang, zathrian, etc. Yeah, much more formidable and much more well organized than the typical shadow beats you flip your wolf tail into to beat.

Correct dorf was taken quite easily due to overconfidence which suggests a real stupidity in his character. Thanks for reminding me how stupid he is.

I said he was dominated by the sages not killed. So please at least address what it is I actually state as opposed to what you believe I state. Thanks.

The sages lost one man and despite the triforce of power aiding him it still didn't matter as he was easily defeated. The guy isn't cut out for destroying large numbers of enemies it seems unlike the Archdemon.

Dorf killed one sage. He also didn't disintegrate midna so don't start claiming he can simply disintegrate his foes now. It just gets so ridiculous when you enter the debate sometimes. The sages foolishly watched as he broke free and then when they realized he killed one easily dismissed him without losing more than a man. That's called a sonning. They chained him up and lost one man and immediately sent him packing.

Dorf hasn't proven he can disintegrate anyone just a sage but wasn't even fast enough to take out more than one. Terrible feat it shows he can't take on large groups and later Link himself just crushes him with little to no experience. Horrible.

The archdemon doesn't need to teleport him away as he can tear his body in half with his jaws. We have already seen Link easily kill him with a simple impalement and already seen a sage impale him. he's not durable by any means and gets crushed.

If Riordan tore him to pieces why is he able to dominate the mini forces on the roof and take on your party for 20 mins ? Hmmmm....maybe because unlike dorf he can take on groups whereas Dorf can't. Dorf was killed by Link whereas the archdemon defeated Riordan quite easily. He also can fly just not large disatances. He flys all the time in your battle against him, sport.



Dorf isn't durable at all he gets impaled all the time and beaten all the time. By feats he's quite incompetent and stupid which you yourself brought up.

Dorf didn't blow up the castle it's unclear and could be Midna who did so. Laughs.


Archdemon takes on groups whereas a group easily chains up dorf and sends him packing when they want to. Dorf also gets beaten one on one to someone he is much more experienced than.

Dorf can't possess the archdemon. He didn't possess a sage or anyone outside a prisoner zelda. Get a clue.

Originally posted by Phanteros
And thanks to Riordan, The Archdemon couldn't fly anymore. Thing got injured with a normal sword by a peak human. Imagine what Ganon might do with his mastery of magic. He flew the entire final battle.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Correct dorf was taken quite easily due to overconfidence which suggests a real stupidity in his character. Thanks for reminding me how stupid he is.


Hey, better to lose due to overconfidence rather than being too tricky. Don't you agree. I'm sure Thanos does.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you alter quotes now. That won't take away from me lapping you mentally two times now by my count.

you can count now? I dont belive it.....

Its one lie after the another with you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He flew the entire final battle. Still was injured and hurt by the sword.

Quanchi name a single time Ganondorf was pierced by normal swords.

If you can't do it (I already know you cannot), then get out.

Archdemon can be possessed. It's shown no resistance to possession, right? It's a case of featless resistance vs at least the ability to possess someone.

Originally posted by ares834
Hey, better to lose due to overconfidence rather than being too tricky. Don't you agree. I'm sure Thanos does. Not when he lost both times due to the same thing. Thanos doesn't lose only when he subconsciously allows himself to anyways.

Originally posted by Burning thought
you can count now? I dont belive it.....

Its one lie after the another with you. You abandoned the debate which means I accept your concession.

Originally posted by Phanteros
Still was injured and hurt by the sword. So was dorf yet he was stunned for a good while and died the second time. Any sword can impale dorf leaving him completely at your mercy unlike the archdemon.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Quanchi name a single time Ganondorf was pierced by normal swords.

If you can't do it (I already know you cannot), then get out. He was impaled both swords that were rammed into him. Link's sword also can be blocked by any knight foes showing it's not some unblockable sword it's due to skill with his blows not some badass sword that can't be stopped.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Archdemon can be possessed. It's shown no resistance to possession, right? It's a case of featless resistance vs at least the ability to possess someone. When has dorf possessed any victim say a captive zelda ? Did he possess a sage or Link ? Nah.

Which does not assist you at all, because the Archdemon has shown zero resistance to the ability. In other words, it is helpless to it.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Which does not assist you at all, because the Archdemon has shown zero resistance to the ability. In other words, it is helpless to it. When has dorf possessed an opponent who is conscious ? why didn't he possess Link or a sage ?

Link is protected, and the Sages are kind of useless since he was already in Zant.

Prove Zelda was unconscious.

He probably didn't even realise he had the power whne he fought the sages, and Link is protected. We keep mentioning that.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You've never ever countered this. This just shows without the boots he can't contend with them making this only possible with the boots showing without them he's nowhere near strong enough to contest with them only with the added weight the boots provide. That was so much fun but moving on.


Ireelevant to Ganondorf or Archdemon. Regardless, I countered it as soon as I showed you this:
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1:16, bro.



Diababa, the first boss, is larger than the Archdemon. Fyrus is roughly similar in size. Morpheel is several times larger. Stallord is several times larger. Armoghoma is several times larger. Blizzeta is of similar size. Argorok is of similar size. Still irrelevant to Ganondorf, though, except for the fact that Beast Ganon is also bigger than the Archdemon.



Really? I haven't seen anything that impressive, considering the final boss is so vulnerable to normal swords. And nothing you named even comes close to Ganondorf or Zant. A few mages and a wolf?



No, since that was a flashback that does not reflect the current Ganondorf's character. If you remember, he came back and broke the Mirror. Also, how many times must I tell you that Ganondorf was not at full power?



I never said anything of the sort. The Sages didn't dominate Ganondorf either, and I never implied thet you said anything about them killing him. Except that he was killed before the Triforce of Power manifested when they stabbed his powerless form, which is what I actually said.



Ganondorf was not trying, and it's a flashback to when he just recieved his powers. How do you suggest Ganondorf escape the Mirror of Twilight when he's had power for all of 30 seconds?



Don't ignore the feat. Ganondorf disintegrated a guy. Yeah, the Sages couldn't actually beat Ganondorf so they had to cheat with an Artifact. The Archdemon can't do that, so why do you bring it up?



First off, Ganondorf is fighting the Archdemon, who does not have the Mirror of Twilight or the Master Sword. Second, the Archdemon is not a group, and isn't weilding a weapon that can harm Ganondorf. The Archdemon is much worse, since he got owned by one guy with a normal sword.



The Archdemon hasn't displayed the strength necessary to harm Ganondorf, nor does he have Ganondorf's weakness. Link was using the Master Sword, and the Sage's had a similar sword but stabbed him before he got any powers, after which he ignored it. And if you forgot, Ganondorf can survive without a body.



Because gameplay? In cutscene, a normal guy with a sword is all it takes to mess the Archdemon up badly, whereas Ganondorf laughs at swords. What part of that scene makes you think the Archdemon won easily? Riordan dominated him for the entire thing, and only died because he lost his grip. Had the sword not been cutting the Archdemon like butter, Riordan would have killed it.



Impaled once before he got powers. Impaled again by a sword capable of negating those powers. Get a new argument, that one has long since stopped working. Again, you're being fallacious since that was a flashback and Ganondorf has gotten better since then. By feats, the Archdemon is also a moron since it can't even shake one guy off its back, and it looks to be made of paper.



Ganondorf defeated Midna there. It's quite clear he did it.



Please stop saying that, it's wrong. Ganondorf did not have powers then, and the Sages had to resort to an Artifact because they couldn't win on their own. Again, the Archdemon is killed by a guy with a normal sword.


And the Archdemon has no resistance to possession.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not when he lost both times due to the same thing. Thanos doesn't lose only when he subconsciously allows himself to anyways.


He was not defeated by the same thing at all. The first was when he was powerless, and the second was due to the Mastwer Sword weakening him. And the Archdemon got messed up by a normal guy with a normal sword, and then killed by a normal guy with a normal sword. Your argument has backfired.





No. Ganondorf did not have any power when the Sages stabbed him. After he got his power, he ignored the sword completely, and he wasn't even harmed by pulling it out, which would normally make things a bit worse. Ganondorf is immune to normal swords.



The Master Sword is Evil's Bane, meaning it deals extra damage to evil beings and allows him to bypass Ganondorf's immunities. Have you not seen the Master Sword utterly ruin Darknut armor? And did you just admit to Link having skills?



Remember that time Zant got all competent all of a sudden? That was Ganondorf's influence. And yes, he possessed Zelda. There's no need to possess a Sage and Link has the Master Sword, and Triforce of Courage, which protects him. The Archdemon has no such protection.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was impaled both swords that were rammed into him. Link's sword also can be blocked by any knight foes showing it's not some unblockable sword it's due to skill with his blows not some badass sword that can't be stopped. So you can't, then? Good to know.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Link is protected, and the Sages are kind of useless since he was already in Zant.

Prove Zelda was unconscious. Who did he possess who was conscious ? I mean give me an answer already. When does he do this in combat also ?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
He probably didn't even realise he had the power whne he fought the sages, and Link is protected. We keep mentioning that. Name me who he possessed while actively fighting a conscious opponent...please.Originally posted by NemeBro
So you can't, then? Good to know. I accept your concession.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Name me who he possessed while actively fighting a conscious opponent...please.

Zelda. Duh.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Zelda. Duh. Was she conscious and attacking him ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Was she conscious and attacking him?

Nah, but the Archdemon won't be either so it doesn't matter much. All it takes is a sword to the neck and the Archdemon's down, whereas Ganondorf needed to be fought four times to get him to the point where he could be impaled with a magic sword designed to peirce his defense.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Name me who he possessed while actively fighting a conscious opponent...please. I accept your concession. It's okay Quan, these other guys don't understand, I do. I have often done volunteer work for the mentally disabled, so I know your struggle.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Nah, but the Archdemon won't be either so it doesn't matter much. All it takes is a sword to the neck and the Archdemon's down, whereas Ganondorf needed to be fought four times to get him to the point where he could be impaled with a magic sword designed to peirce his defense. So you have no examples of him possessing a conscious opponent just like I stated originally. Looks like I was right all along while you weren't once again all along.

That's not all it takes if you played the game you'd realize that's what only happens after you defeat him after Riordan's damage and the miniforces damage whereas with Dorf one sowrd impalement is all it takes.

Originally posted by NemeBro
It's okay Quan, these other guys don't understand, I do. I have often done volunteer work for the mentally disabled, so I know your struggle. Insulting me only further validates my victory here.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Ireelevant to Ganondorf or Archdemon. Regardless, I countered it as soon as I showed you this:
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1:16, bro.



Diababa, the first boss, is larger than the Archdemon. Fyrus is roughly similar in size. Morpheel is several times larger. Stallord is several times larger. Armoghoma is several times larger. Blizzeta is of similar size. Argorok is of similar size. Still irrelevant to Ganondorf, though, except for the fact that Beast Ganon is also bigger than the Archdemon.



Really? I haven't seen anything that impressive, considering the final boss is so vulnerable to normal swords. And nothing you named even comes close to Ganondorf or Zant. A few mages and a wolf?



No, since that was a flashback that does not reflect the current Ganondorf's character. If you remember, he came back and broke the Mirror. Also, how many times must I tell you that Ganondorf was not at full power?



I never said anything of the sort. The Sages didn't dominate Ganondorf either, and I never implied thet you said anything about them killing him. Except that he was killed before the Triforce of Power manifested when they stabbed his powerless form, which is what I actually said.



Ganondorf was not trying, and it's a flashback to when he just recieved his powers. How do you suggest Ganondorf escape the Mirror of Twilight when he's had power for all of 30 seconds?



Don't ignore the feat. Ganondorf disintegrated a guy. Yeah, the Sages couldn't actually beat Ganondorf so they had to cheat with an Artifact. The Archdemon can't do that, so why do you bring it up?



First off, Ganondorf is fighting the Archdemon, who does not have the Mirror of Twilight or the Master Sword. Second, the Archdemon is not a group, and isn't weilding a weapon that can harm Ganondorf. The Archdemon is much worse, since he got owned by one guy with a normal sword.



The Archdemon hasn't displayed the strength necessary to harm Ganondorf, nor does he have Ganondorf's weakness. Link was using the Master Sword, and the Sage's had a similar sword but stabbed him before he got any powers, after which he ignored it. And if you forgot, Ganondorf can survive without a body.



Because gameplay? In cutscene, a normal guy with a sword is all it takes to mess the Archdemon up badly, whereas Ganondorf laughs at swords. What part of that scene makes you think the Archdemon won easily? Riordan dominated him for the entire thing, and only died because he lost his grip. Had the sword not been cutting the Archdemon like butter, Riordan would have killed it.



Impaled once before he got powers. Impaled again by a sword capable of negating those powers. Get a new argument, that one has long since stopped working. Again, you're being fallacious since that was a flashback and Ganondorf has gotten better since then. By feats, the Archdemon is also a moron since it can't even shake one guy off its back, and it looks to be made of paper.



Ganondorf defeated Midna there. It's quite clear he did it.



Please stop saying that, it's wrong. Ganondorf did not have powers then, and the Sages had to resort to an Artifact because they couldn't win on their own. Again, the Archdemon is killed by a guy with a normal sword.


And the Archdemon has no resistance to possession. That's a gameplay mechanic issue. He responds the same way but cannot ever stop their momentum in the game until he equips the boots. Find me him stopping one or overpowering one without the boots on and you win otherwise I win.

Are these enemies from this game or are you naming them from different games again ?

Dorf is vulnerable to normal swords as well. Link's sword can be blocked by opposing knights in the game anyways. Two swords both pierced him and in the game the master sword isn't perceived in this game anyways as being unblockable it just has to do with the skill to land these strikes.

Dorf was at full power he used the triforce and was still beaten despite using one of the most powerful plot devices in the game. He took one sage out after they stood there and watched his next actions, stunned.

Not my problem he was easily defeated with the triforce of power. That's his problem but only losing one sage doesn't strike fear with the power triforce by any means.

He destroyed one sage. He used the triforce because he was already defeated so they used the mirror. You can't fault them for using something when they already defeated him on their own and only did so in response to him using the triforce. That won't happen to the archdemon anyways.

A giant dragon hasn't displayed the strength to harm someone who was impaled and quite easily both fights we see of him per video. Surely you jest. If a sage can use the force needed and so can Link who can't even wield the ball and chain with one hand then I don't even think he loses a tooth when he eats him.


Dorf isn't durable by any means. He's not effective as a fighter either as he tends to get impaled most of the time.


We don't need plot devices here and Riordan was defeated and easily. Dorf however was defeated both times. You bring up the archdemon actually killing someone as proof of what how much damage he can take without breaking a sweat...nice.


Dorf can't survive without a body. He died with a sword in him. You are taking things out of context again.

It's also speculation Riordan would have killed it. Dorf doesn't laugh off swords either he sits there and begs for more power. If he doesn't get it he dies if he does he gets another crack but either way he sits there helpless in the meantime.

He was impaled before his powers saved him and after. His powers never made his skin more durable. I have no idea where you dream this stuff up. You at this point are making things up again and pretending he laughs off swords when it easily sticks in him.

He defeated her and she lived whereas he died. We don't know what destroyed the castle I think it had to do with their battle not one or the other.

Dorf used the triforce to get back in the fight so why is he allowed to use a powerful artifact while they can't. I will tell you why because you use many double standards and this is one of them.

Without artifacts dorf was beat and when they both used them he got beat. He loses no matter what he does.


Dorf hasn't shown the power nor the inclination to possess someone he is fighting while conscious so you don't have anything just another desperate claim.

Originally posted by The Scenario
He was not defeated by the same thing at all. The first was when he was powerless, and the second was due to the Mastwer Sword weakening him. And the Archdemon got messed up by a normal guy with a normal sword, and then killed by a normal guy with a normal sword. Your argument has backfired.





No. Ganondorf did not have any power when the Sages stabbed him. After he got his power, he ignored the sword completely, and he wasn't even harmed by pulling it out, which would normally make things a bit worse. Ganondorf is immune to normal swords.



The Master Sword is Evil's Bane, meaning it deals extra damage to evil beings and allows him to bypass Ganondorf's immunities. Have you not seen the Master Sword utterly ruin Darknut armor? And did you just admit to Link having skills?



Remember that time Zant got all competent all of a sudden? That was Ganondorf's influence. And yes, he possessed Zelda. There's no need to possess a Sage and Link has the Master Sword, and Triforce of Courage, which protects him. The Archdemon has no such protection. He wasn't powerless he just didn't have the aid of the triforce of power and even when he used it he was defeated and then beaten by Link. Guess what Link impaled him.

Dorf isn't immune to normal swords he had the power necessary to resist death there. But had he been immune he wouldn't need to use the triforce nor would he have died the second time he was impaled.

We don't use plot devices in these threads otherwise archdemon never dies and if dorf wants to find that blood he dies too. Don't worry he could never pull it off against someone this powerful anyways.

So you can't prove he can possess a conscious opponent. You do realize in most possession cases it's a test of wills so obviously someone unconscious would present an easier challenge but who cares he has never done it to anyone conscious anyways.

He should have done something against the sages because he got beat again despite using the triforce because he already got beat once without it.

Originally posted by quanchi112

You abandoned the debate which means I accept your concession.


Since when was this a debate? like a lot of KMC this is a squabble, it cant really be a real argument until you start posting videos or source evidence which you seem to be terrified of, so until then you have nothing backing you up apart from your own words.

Ahaha, Quan, did you really just say Ganondorf can't survive without a body? Think about that.

You seriously don't know what you're talking about.

Archdemon gets killed by normal people with normal swords. The only reason it's even a threat at all is because only a Gray Warden can kill it or it will come back.

Ganandorf cannot be harmed by normal blades. Even the Master Sword, the sword of evils bane, which was designed specifically to kill evil, had a hard time actually killing him.

Furthermore, Link is not a normal human. He is connected to the past Links, either a descendant or something. He is NOT just a farm boy who learned real quick to wield a sword.

Ganondorf possessed Aghanim, get at him.

Originally posted by TacDavey
Archdemon gets killed by normal people with normal swords. The only reason it's even a threat at all is because only a Gray Warden can kill it or it will come back.


I wouldn't exactly call them normal. On the other hand, Riordan's (seemingly) normal sword cut through the Archdemon like tissue paper.

Jesus 4 pages

Originally posted by Phanteros
Jesus 4 pages

Let's make that Jesus 5 pages.

i don't really want to read all the arguments, just want to put my 2 cents in, i might end up reading later lol.

I just don't see the big deal with ganon, sure he is way powerful, for that universe. and archimond is really powerful too...just not really for his respective universe (keeping in mind the old gods, kil'jeaden, and sargeras). I think archimond has more powerful magic, defense, and intelligence. but really, this is not really based on anything, probably based more on their portrayal of him than anything else.

Originally posted by menokokoro
i don't really want to read all the arguments, just want to put my 2 cents in, i might end up reading later lol.

I just don't see the big deal with ganon, sure he is way powerful, for that universe. and archimond is really powerful too...just not really for his respective universe (keeping in mind the old gods, kil'jeaden, and sargeras). I think archimond has more powerful magic, defense, and intelligence. but really, this is not really based on anything, probably based more on their portrayal of him than anything else. Wrong game, boyo.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Since when was this a debate? like a lot of KMC this is a squabble, it cant really be a real argument until you start posting videos or source evidence which you seem to be terrified of, so until then you have nothing backing you up apart from your own words. You've played the game what is it you are disputing ?

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Ahaha, Quan, did you really just say Ganondorf can't survive without a body? Think about that.

You seriously don't know what you're talking about. He changed his molecules around and wasn't fatally wounded when he was he died with a body. It's obvious I am right.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
I wouldn't exactly call them normal. On the other hand, Riordan's (seemingly) normal sword cut through the Archdemon like tissue paper. So a really old Riordan who was an experienced grey warden wasn't someone special ?

We also saw two swords easily impaled dorf like tissue paper as well except the archdemon defeated riordan but dorf didn't defeat the sages or Link.

Riordan got killed by a fall which Link easily survived... Actually Link has been shot from higher. Riordan is a little ***** in comparison.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Riordan got killed by a fall which Link easily survived... Actually Link has been shot from higher. Riordan is a little ***** in comparison. Link wouldn't survive that fall either. Link take on monkeys with boomerangs. LOL. In dragon age it's where the men come to fight not cute horses and random bad monkeys. Link would get beat by practically any grey warden we see in the game.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Link wouldn't survive that fall either. Link take on monkeys with boomerangs. LOL. In dragon age it's where the men come to fight not cute horses and random bad monkeys. Link would get beat by practically any grey warden we see in the game. Only he survived a fall from much higher up. Which proves your statement wrong. Which you don't realise because you're mentally disabled.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He changed his molecules around and wasn't fatally wounded when he was he died with a body. It's obvious I am right.

Really? From what I understand, Ganon was living in the Twilight Realm for hundreds of years without a body. He did the same when he was kicked out of Zant's and Zelda's, just not for hundred of years.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He changed his molecules around When?

I think that's what he's trying to pass off either the different forms of Ganon or just the spirit head thing as.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Wrong game, boyo. HAHA! thank you, DAMN YOU DYSLEXIA! I should have read some, then i might actually know it was the wrong guy

Originally posted by NemeBro
Only he survived a fall from much higher up. Which proves your statement wrong. Which you don't realise because you're mentally disabled. There you go again with the personal attacks. Don't take this stuff so personally and keep this debate oriented. When did he survive a much higher fall in this game ?

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Really? From what I understand, Ganon was living in the Twilight Realm for hundreds of years without a body. He did the same when he was kicked out of Zant's and Zelda's, just not for hundred of years. What ? We saw his essence was alive and he had form. When he gets fatally wounded he dies just like in the game. I mean geez the archdemon is immortal as well without a warden to defeat him.

Originally posted by NemeBro
When? When he changed his form time and time again. We saw him as the beast, giant head, humanoid form, etc. Must I hol dyour hand through this entire process ?

Form =/= a body. Your claim has been disproved. Accept it.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Form =/= a body. Your claim has been disproved. Accept it. I never said it did but I did say unless fatally wounded Dorf doesn't die. In the real world without a neck you can't survive but in the game dorf can turn into a head and be fine but if you impale the guy things aren't looking good for him.

Actually, before that you did say "Ganondorf can't survive without a body." And way to state the obvious. "Things don't die unless they are fatally wounded." Except for the fact that Ganondorf doesn't die when fatally wounded either.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Actually, before that you did say "Ganondorf can't survive without a body." And way to state the obvious. "Things don't die unless they are fatally wounded." Except for the fact that Ganondorf doesn't die when fatally wounded either. He can alter his form and doesn't need a body but if his form or body takes fatal damage he dies. He died in tp. Laughs.

The timeline says otherwise.

link-rape

And no. Still false. His body was destroyed and long gone many times before as well as in TP. The only time he was finished was when he was impaled with the Master Sword. You know, Blade of Evil's Pain, suppressed a bulk of Ganon's power in WW, key to time. Etc, etc.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
The timeline says otherwise.

link-rape

And no. Still false. His body was destroyed and long gone many times before as well as in TP. The only time he was finished was when he was impaled with the Master Sword. You know, Blade of Evil's Pain, suppressed a bulk of Ganon's power in WW, key to time. Etc, etc. It doesn't matter he gets defeated all the time and in this game was killed and even if he later comes back again he loses the forum matchup. if it takes him a year to muster up enough power or return he loses the vs. matchup.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That's a gameplay mechanic issue. He responds the same way but cannot ever stop their momentum in the game until he equips the boots. Find me him stopping one or overpowering one without the boots on and you win otherwise I win.

No, you're still not understanding what is happening. Boots = stop Goron. They are not needed to lift one. That video outright shows you that Link could have stopped the Goron if he had more room to stop.




Did you even play Twilight Princess? Yes, every single creature on that list I gave you is in fact from Twilight Princess, and yes, every single one is either just as big as or much bigger than the Archdemon.



Ganondorf is not vulnerable to normal swords, as was demonstrated when he laughed at the Sages sword and pulled it out without injury. They only injured him because he did not have his Triforce.



No, he was not at full power when he was stabbed, so saying that he couldbe peirced is foolish. He was not beaten, again, he was BFR'd because the Sages could not harm him.



He was not easily defeated. The Mirror of Twilight was a desperation move and just made Ganondorf stronger in the long run. Again, Ganondorf had the Triforce for a few seconds. He did not know how to use it at that point in time.



They only caught him because he didn't have the Triforce. They were only able to stab him because he didn't have the Triforce. The Mirror of Twilight only worked because Ganondorf wasn't familiar with the Triforce having recieved it seconds earlier. How many time must I repeat this before you will accept it? The Archdemon does not have the Mirror Of Twilight, so he stands about as much chance as the Sage of Water.



1. Archdemon has no strength feats with his claws or bite unless you post them.

2. Once again I repeat that Ganondorf was stabbed the Triforce came into effect. After it did, the sword could not harm him.

3. Link weilds the Ball and Chain easily and throws Gorons. He also weilds the Master sword, which negates Ganondorf's defenses to the point that strength doesn't matter much.



Most of the time? No, there are three different boss fights that say you are wrong. Puppet Zelda- Not impaled. Beast Ganon- Not impaled. Horseback Ganondorf- Not impaled. That's three out of five majority. Archdemon, on the other hand, is 2 for 2 as far as impalings and wounds go, as his durability is nonexistant. And how do you suggest the Archdemon impale Ganondorf without a sword?



Riordan fell to death because his sword fell while the Archdemon screamed and cried. Riordan crippled the Archdemon pretty much forever with a normal sword, and he wasn't even killed by it.



You are always taking things out of context. Answer me this question: Do you agree that the Master Sword negates Ganondorf's resistance as it is said to do with its Smite Evil ability? Answer honestly, and please try not to dodge it. It is a simple yes or no question, so all you need to say is yes or no.

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You can see that Beast Ganon's body is being destroyed at the beginning of the video. At 1:00, Ganondorf is there without a body. As this proves, Ganondorf can survive without a body.




Riordan was in the process of killing when he fell do to his own mistakes. Had he not fallen, he'd have just kept stabbing until the Archdemon died. And just watch:
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2:30, Ganondorf laughs with a sword in his chest.
3:05, Ganondorf laughs while pulling the sword out of his chest.
And after he got the Triforce of Power, Ganondorf was not even slightly helpless.



He was indeed impaled before recieving his powers. His powers kept him from dying despite the fact that he had a SWORD IN HIS HEART. After he got them, he removed that sword without any additional injury, thus proving that his skin was now durable to not be cut by it. And watch the video aain. He laughs at least twice. As for the Master Sword, just answer the question I asked earlier.



He did not die when he defeated Midna. In fact, the castle explosion did not harm him at all, so the Archdemon could never harm him. Ganondorf defeated Midna when the castle exploded and it was clear that since he won, he caused it.



False. The Triforce of Power is Ganondorf's standard equipment, and he is only without it in special circumstances. The Mirror of Twilight is a fixed artifact that can only be used in one place and needs a giant stone obelisk to function. Regardless of that, Ganondorf came back and broke the Mirror of twilight, thus proving it wasn't a threat to him anymore. It wouldn't have worked a second time.



Ganondorf broke the Mirror of Twilight. He got stronger, came back, and destroyed what beat him before as it could not beat him again since he could now cross dimensions easily. The Archdemon can't even use the Mirror, so he has no way to win.



Nah, it was just one of the many suggestion I came up with. You ignored all of them except for the possession. Does the Archdemon has resistance to possession or not? You did not have any answer to Ganondorf trapping the Archdemon in a barrier, going Beast form and crushing it, hitting it with a castle size explosion, or even just stabbing it like Riordan or the other guy did.

Originally posted by The Scenario
No, you're still not understanding what is happening. Boots = stop Goron. They are not needed to lift one. That video outright shows you that Link could have stopped the Goron if he had more room to stop.




Did you even play Twilight Princess? Yes, every single creature on that list I gave you is in fact from Twilight Princess, and yes, every single one is either just as big as or much bigger than the Archdemon.



Ganondorf is not vulnerable to normal swords, as was demonstrated when he laughed at the Sages sword and pulled it out without injury. They only injured him because he did not have his Triforce.



No, he was not at full power when he was stabbed, so saying that he couldbe peirced is foolish. He was not beaten, again, he was BFR'd because the Sages could not harm him.



He was not easily defeated. The Mirror of Twilight was a desperation move and just made Ganondorf stronger in the long run. Again, Ganondorf had the Triforce for a few seconds. He did not know how to use it at that point in time.



They only caught him because he didn't have the Triforce. They were only able to stab him because he didn't have the Triforce. The Mirror of Twilight only worked because Ganondorf wasn't familiar with the Triforce having recieved it seconds earlier. How many time must I repeat this before you will accept it? The Archdemon does not have the Mirror Of Twilight, so he stands about as much chance as the Sage of Water.



1. Archdemon has no strength feats with his claws or bite unless you post them.

2. Once again I repeat that Ganondorf was stabbed the Triforce came into effect. After it did, the sword could not harm him.

3. Link weilds the Ball and Chain easily and throws Gorons. He also weilds the Master sword, which negates Ganondorf's defenses to the point that strength doesn't matter much.



Most of the time? No, there are three different boss fights that say you are wrong. Puppet Zelda- Not impaled. Beast Ganon- Not impaled. Horseback Ganondorf- Not impaled. That's three out of five majority. Archdemon, on the other hand, is 2 for 2 as far as impalings and wounds go, as his durability is nonexistant. And how do you suggest the Archdemon impale Ganondorf without a sword?



Riordan fell to death because his sword fell while the Archdemon screamed and cried. Riordan crippled the Archdemon pretty much forever with a normal sword, and he wasn't even killed by it.



You are always taking things out of context. Answer me this question: Do you agree that the Master Sword negates Ganondorf's resistance as it is said to do with its Smite Evil ability? Answer honestly, and please try not to dodge it. It is a simple yes or no question, so all you need to say is yes or no.

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You can see that Beast Ganon's body is being destroyed at the beginning of the video. At 1:00, Ganondorf is there without a body. As this proves, Ganondorf can survive without a body.




Riordan was in the process of killing when he fell do to his own mistakes. Had he not fallen, he'd have just kept stabbing until the Archdemon died. And just watch:
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2:30, Ganondorf laughs with a sword in his chest.
3:05, Ganondorf laughs while pulling the sword out of his chest.
And after he got the Triforce of Power, Ganondorf was not even slightly helpless.



He was indeed impaled before recieving his powers. His powers kept him from dying despite the fact that he had a SWORD IN HIS HEART. After he got them, he removed that sword without any additional injury, thus proving that his skin was now durable to not be cut by it. And watch the video aain. He laughs at least twice. As for the Master Sword, just answer the question I asked earlier.



He did not die when he defeated Midna. In fact, the castle explosion did not harm him at all, so the Archdemon could never harm him. Ganondorf defeated Midna when the castle exploded and it was clear that since he won, he caused it.



False. The Triforce of Power is Ganondorf's standard equipment, and he is only without it in special circumstances. The Mirror of Twilight is a fixed artifact that can only be used in one place and needs a giant stone obelisk to function. Regardless of that, Ganondorf came back and broke the Mirror of twilight, thus proving it wasn't a threat to him anymore. It wouldn't have worked a second time.



Ganondorf broke the Mirror of Twilight. He got stronger, came back, and destroyed what beat him before as it could not beat him again since he could now cross dimensions easily. The Archdemon can't even use the Mirror, so he has no way to win.



Nah, it was just one of the many suggestion I came up with. You ignored all of them except for the possession. Does the Archdemon has resistance to possession or not? You did not have any answer to Ganondorf trapping the Archdemon in a barrier, going Beast form and crushing it, hitting it with a castle size explosion, or even just stabbing it like Riordan or the other guy did. The boots are needed to shove and stop them. It's a gameplay mechanic and the same response is shown but cannot be achieved without the boots.

I don't recall many of the bosses names off hand. I remember F something was the corrupted Goron I believe and I don't see him as being anywhere near as big as the archdemon. I see the goron is being about as big as an ogre or slightly bigger.

Describe the other bosses a little bit more there names were so forgettable and it's been a long time since I played this.

Ganondorf is vulnerable to regular swords as proven by the video. The question is whether he can resist the injuries while accessing the triforce long enough to recover and that's quite a stretch considering the Archdemon won't stare at him like both Link and the sages did.

Being bfr'd is beaten. Dorf didn't want to leave but was removed meaning he lost. The triforce never made him more durable it just gave him the power to attempt to resist the effects or damage of the attack he had just previously sustained.

He didn't acquire the triforce but wasn't aware it favored him until he received the damage. I realize he doesn't have access to the mirror but doesn't need it here as dorf and both the archdemon can die while taking away both plot devices. So you can't say the archdemon can't kill him here just like I can't say the archdemon can' t die unless he drinks the blood and then dies himself.

The triforce has never made him in this game unable to be damaged. He resisted the effects due to the triforce and tried the same thing to no avail against Link. You have no proof and no assertion can be made at all save mine with anything backing it up save speculation.

1.I believe the video was already posted. I so no reason to post the same video of him easily destroying the warriors who opposed him on the roof immediately before you take him on and after Riordan's failed attacks on him.

2.The triforce gave him the power to resist the injuries while his opposition stood there and watched. We also are eliminating plot devices here.

3.Link does not wield it easily. It restricts his mobility and he uses both arms to hold it upright unlike the foes he took it from suggesting he's much weaker than him.

The master sword can be blocked, parried, etc. against knights you face meaning like I have always said skill matters with the sword. This sword really doesn't have any edge against an opponent save the skill used and Dorf is no exception.

Why would Link attempt to impale Zelda ? I mean honestly come on and think about it.

Not every form has to be impaled but we have seen his humanoid form impaled twice mind you.

The archdemon doesn't impale dorf he spits fire all over his body and crunches him. I am just saying unlike the archdemon Link pretty much just beat him in a fair one on one fight with no prior damage or nagging injuries leading into their fight.

A normal sword can hurt dorf as well as previously evidenced. The archdemon was grounded temporarily and time was of the essence. It still had short ranged flight and Riordan's whole purpose was to end the darkspawn and in that regard he completely failed. The archdemon took it and was still laying waste to enemies whereas Dorf rarely took out anyone he even failed to properly kill Midna.

I feel it helps but Link's skill is what won him the fight and plot device it's no different than a grey warden being needed to kill the archdemon. Here we eliminate both of these plot devices and make them both killable.

He reforms his molecules which is no different than when he did so to possess Zelda in the first place.

Speculation he'd have killed the archdemon. Archdemon easily killed him. He was lucky to ride him as long as he did.

He resisted the effects while they stand there stupidified. They then respond by bfring him easily while only losing one man. Not impressed at all.

It didn't prove he's more durable only he can resist the injuries of that attack. He won't have the benefit of that here nor a stupidified archdemon watching on like a moron.

Neither did Midna die either. We don't see what happened and how the castle was destroyed but we do see the master sword kill him afterwards. Dorf wasn't fatally wounded by her there and we don't know to conclusively say what exactly happened.



It doesn't matter if it's standard equipment or not. It's a plot device he needed and with it he lost and without it he lost.

Dorf needed Zant he did nothing on his own and needed him. Dorf came back when the opportunity and Zant himself made this possible otherwise he'd have been back a lot sooner.


Dorf can die here just like the archdemon can without a warden doing the deed. You seem hell bent on arguing unfairly while keeping your plot device in and ignoring the archdemon's.

Dorf doesn't possess conscious foes so I don't have to prove anything as it's not even a viable tactic just another scramble to secure the win against someone who outclasses him in every regard.

Can't trap him in a barrier, that's speculation against a fight with Midna we did not ever see, Dorf won't have the benefit of jumping on him with a war going on in the meantime. He will be all over Dorf and crunch him very quickly.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The boots are needed to shove and stop them. It's a gameplay mechanic and the same response is shown but cannot be achieved without the boots.


Yes, the boots are needed to stop them. You understand this? The boots are not needed to pick up and throw them, which is the feat I am using. Link can lift things on his own, just not stop them while they push him.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0kGgsGIaRQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnMfFaCO5ig
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMOi0J6I6B8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3VXhGeOQns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LVHBdhNibI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAJACleGuOs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhy12b4SxVw



No, Ganondorf is proven invulnerablr to sword by the video. He used to be vulnerable before he got the Triforce, but after he did the sword stopped affecting him. He even pulled it out and it didn't cut him. So he is invulnerable. Link fought Ganondorf four times, and did not stare until Ganondorf was finally defeated. Stop ignoring this.



Except for the fact that Ganondorf came back and broke the Mirror. How many times am I going to have to tell you this? The execution was a flashback. Young Ganondorf lost, and Older Ganondorf destroyed the Mirror. The Archdemon is not fighting Young Ganondorf, he is fighting the older one that can revive himself like four times.



Explain the blood thing. The wiki has nothing on it.



He gained it after being stabbed. The only reason it peirced him is because he didn't have the power yet. After, the sword did no damage to him. And yet again, the Master Sword is designed to hurt evil things and get past Ganondorf's Triforce powers.



I saw it hitting some guys with its tail and biting one guy. Also, some fire. None of that indicates that the Archdemon can impale Ganondorf at all, and none of it prevents Ganondorf from reforming his body or just fighting without one. And I saw the Archdemon pierced by normal arrows, and cut to ribbons by a normal sword. It's durability is zero, and all Ganondorf would need to do is hit its neck.



The Triforce is a part of Ganondorf's character. If you have to take away all of Ganondorf's powers, durability, and strength to make it so the Archdemon has a change, it isn't a real victory.



You have failed to counter the fact the Link moves faster, throws farther, throws harder, recovers the ball faster, and doesn't need to rest after every swing like the boss does. The boss weilds it slower, throws it less far, throws it less hard, takes forever to recover the ball, and needs to rest for 10 seconds before picking the ball back up. Link is far superior, two handed or not.



Swords and armor aren't evil, nor are they Triforce empowered. Even so, the Master Sword cleaves through Darknut armor. What the Master Sword is designed to do is destroy evil and have a greater effect on it, as well as counter the Triforce. Since swords and sheilds aren't evil, they can treat the Master Sword like a normal sword. But Ganondorf can't, since it cancels out his power and durability.



Probably because it wouldn't harm zelda's non evil body or something. Regardless, that's a point for no impalement.



Once before he got his powers, and once by a sword that cancels his powers. The Archdemon can't hope to achieve either one of those, and Ganondorf is immune to or can reform from anything else the Archdemon has.

And Ganondorf changes form to avoid it and hits the Archdemon with a castle buster or slices it open. Riordan mangled the Archdemon without it being injured prior, too.



As evidence shows, Ganondorf with the Triforce isn't harmed by swords. Since he, you know, ripped one of out his chest. The Archdemon got messed up by Riordan and fell out of the sky. Actually, I'm pretty sure Ganondorf did kill Midna. Evidence will come in a moment.



Explain the Grey Warden thing, please. Just remember that Ganondorf is not harmed by swords, yet the Master Sword did. It also canceled out his staying power, at which point his wounds became fatal.



His body was burned to ash and he reformed. Why can't he do this against the Archdemon, then? Assuming it manages to harm him at all, what prevent him from just reforming?



He stabbed the Archdemon and it bled. Had that continued, it would have died. Unfortunately it did continue for as long as was needed. Archdemon did not kill him at all, since he slipped on his own. Archdemon was screaming in pain the entire time, and he knocked it out of the sky.



He resisted the effects of a sword in his heart. On anyone that would be fatal. The Arxhdemon did not survive a blow to the neck, which is normally fatal. Ganondorf broke the Mirror when he came back. He's improved since then.



He proved durability when the sword failed to cut him when being removed. And yes he will, as the Archdemon was pretty stupified when some guy opened its neck with a sword. It just stood there and let him do it.



Even half a castle bust is enough to destroy the Archdemon completely. The Master Sword cancels his powers. Of course Ganondorf wasn't fatally wounded, he wasn;t wounded at all. Oh, and Midna was killed and then revived by the Light spirits.
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we see nothing when the Light Spirits show up. Then Midna's form just appears out of nowhere, still an imp. The suddenly she's back to her true form.



And with it, since it's part of him, the Archdemon can't beat him.



I said nothing about Zant. This was about Ganondorf destroying the Mirror, so don't change the subject. Ganondorf got stronger after the BFR, and the Sages couldn't stop him from breaking the Mirror. The fact is that he's improved since that flashback.



What is the Archdemon's? You haven't said anything about it so I assumed he didn't have one. Was Riordan a Warden? What about the other guy? I honestly didn't know about anything like that.



If the Archdemon doesn't have any way to resist, he can't stop it. Why don't you prove that the Archdemon has enough willpower, for starters?



Explain to me why trapping the Archdemon in a barrier won't work. The castle exploded and Ganondorf killed Midna. What war is going on? You never said anything about a war; are you changing the rules? Also, can you prove the Archdemon has resistance to a disintegration touch?

Crap, I'm already double posting.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Yes, the boots are needed to stop them. You understand this? The boots are not needed to pick up and throw them, which is the feat I am using. Link can lift things on his own, just not stop them while they push him.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0kGgsGIaRQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnMfFaCO5ig
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMOi0J6I6B8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3VXhGeOQns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LVHBdhNibI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAJACleGuOs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhy12b4SxVw



No, Ganondorf is proven invulnerablr to sword by the video. He used to be vulnerable before he got the Triforce, but after he did the sword stopped affecting him. He even pulled it out and it didn't cut him. So he is invulnerable. Link fought Ganondorf four times, and did not stare until Ganondorf was finally defeated. Stop ignoring this.



Except for the fact that Ganondorf came back and broke the Mirror. How many times am I going to have to tell you this? The execution was a flashback. Young Ganondorf lost, and Older Ganondorf destroyed the Mirror. The Archdemon is not fighting Young Ganondorf, he is fighting the older one that can revive himself like four times.



Explain the blood thing. The wiki has nothing on it.



He gained it after being stabbed. The only reason it peirced him is because he didn't have the power yet. After, the sword did no damage to him. And yet again, the Master Sword is designed to hurt evil things and get past Ganondorf's Triforce powers.



I saw it hitting some guys with its tail and biting one guy. Also, some fire. None of that indicates that the Archdemon can impale Ganondorf at all, and none of it prevents Ganondorf from reforming his body or just fighting without one. And I saw the Archdemon pierced by normal arrows, and cut to ribbons by a normal sword. It's durability is zero, and all Ganondorf would need to do is hit its neck.



The Triforce is a part of Ganondorf's character. If you have to take away all of Ganondorf's powers, durability, and strength to make it so the Archdemon has a change, it isn't a real victory.



You have failed to counter the fact the Link moves faster, throws farther, throws harder, recovers the ball faster, and doesn't need to rest after every swing like the boss does. The boss weilds it slower, throws it less far, throws it less hard, takes forever to recover the ball, and needs to rest for 10 seconds before picking the ball back up. Link is far superior, two handed or not.



Swords and armor aren't evil, nor are they Triforce empowered. Even so, the Master Sword cleaves through Darknut armor. What the Master Sword is designed to do is destroy evil and have a greater effect on it, as well as counter the Triforce. Since swords and sheilds aren't evil, they can treat the Master Sword like a normal sword. But Ganondorf can't, since it cancels out his power and durability.



Probably because it wouldn't harm zelda's non evil body or something. Regardless, that's a point for no impalement.



Once before he got his powers, and once by a sword that cancels his powers. The Archdemon can't hope to achieve either one of those, and Ganondorf is immune to or can reform from anything else the Archdemon has. The feat isn't possible unless he stops them so there are no instances of him tossing a goron without the boots. He can't even shove one without the boots.

None of these bosses seem bigger than the Archdemon at all.

He had the power to resist the sword's injuries and pull it out but he wasn't invulnerable to any swords nor was there ever any proof of this. Ever. I am not ignoring anything I told you this before and don't see the point in restating myself. Swords can slice him the only thing is whether he can weather the injuries off or not due to the triforce.

How many years did Zant come back and do so. It was zant who broke the mirror and was explained in the game due to the fact it wasn't completely shattered because he was never the true king.

Zant had to fix his mistakes and he needed him. The sages still beat an older dorf through Link and midna. So whether he's old or young the guy still gets beat left and right.

The whole reason the wardens are needed is because of the taint within them when they drink darkspawn blood. If someone else kills the archdemon outside a grey warden the soul of this old god goes into another soulless vessel darkspawn making it immortal. The grey wardens drink tbe blood therefore the taint is in them so if they kill him then the archdemon goes into that grey warden killing them both.

So plot device wise you can't kill an archdemon unless you're a grey warden because it will just go into the nearest darkspawn vessel.

But to argue any of this we need to eliminate plot devices.

The sword was still inside him the effects were warded off but he never became more durable and ever shrugged off a sword, ever. You keep thinking he's more durable but there is no proof to this theory.

Dorf was impaled by a normal sword as well except he was stunned whereas the archdemon wrecked it's foes. Riordan was a grey warden I highly doubt it was just some ordinary bum sword like you keep portraying it as.

Archdemon shoots him with the fire and eats him.

He has more impressive feats than dorf who struggled and was easily captured and then beaten by a few opponents.

He gets the triforce but he doesn't get the plot device way to defeat him just like the Archdemon doesn't.

Link doesn't use it faster and his mobility is absolute crap. It shows he isn't some mega strong character just the hero of destiny taught the necessary skill with the necessary equipment. That's it.

Dorf was never really durable. We see him impaled twice both by a normal sword and by the master sword. Now the character he is fighting is evil so don't distance yourself now from these claims because the game shows us SKILL is crucial.

Dorf lost due to his skill and he couldn't resist the effects f the injuries. That's it.

Then why bring up zelda when it's obvious he wouldn't try to kill her body.

We never saw him resist any sword and bounce off of him he can use it to ward off his injuries and that's it.

The first sword Dorf was impaled by was the Sages sword, not just any old sword....iirc

Originally posted by The Scenario
And Ganondorf changes form to avoid it and hits the Archdemon with a castle buster or slices it open. Riordan mangled the Archdemon without it being injured prior, too.



As evidence shows, Ganondorf with the Triforce isn't harmed by swords. Since he, you know, ripped one of out his chest. The Archdemon got messed up by Riordan and fell out of the sky. Actually, I'm pretty sure Ganondorf did kill Midna. Evidence will come in a moment.



Explain the Grey Warden thing, please. Just remember that Ganondorf is not harmed by swords, yet the Master Sword did. It also canceled out his staying power, at which point his wounds became fatal.



His body was burned to ash and he reformed. Why can't he do this against the Archdemon, then? Assuming it manages to harm him at all, what prevent him from just reforming?



He stabbed the Archdemon and it bled. Had that continued, it would have died. Unfortunately it did continue for as long as was needed. Archdemon did not kill him at all, since he slipped on his own. Archdemon was screaming in pain the entire time, and he knocked it out of the sky.



He resisted the effects of a sword in his heart. On anyone that would be fatal. The Arxhdemon did not survive a blow to the neck, which is normally fatal. Ganondorf broke the Mirror when he came back. He's improved since then.



He proved durability when the sword failed to cut him when being removed. And yes he will, as the Archdemon was pretty stupified when some guy opened its neck with a sword. It just stood there and let him do it.



Even half a castle bust is enough to destroy the Archdemon completely. The Master Sword cancels his powers. Of course Ganondorf wasn't fatally wounded, he wasn;t wounded at all. Oh, and Midna was killed and then revived by the Light spirits.
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we see nothing when the Light Spirits show up. Then Midna's form just appears out of nowhere, still an imp. The suddenly she's back to her true form.



And with it, since it's part of him, the Archdemon can't beat him.



I said nothing about Zant. This was about Ganondorf destroying the Mirror, so don't change the subject. Ganondorf got stronger after the BFR, and the Sages couldn't stop him from breaking the Mirror. The fact is that he's improved since that flashback.



What is the Archdemon's? You haven't said anything about it so I assumed he didn't have one. Was Riordan a Warden? What about the other guy? I honestly didn't know about anything like that.



If the Archdemon doesn't have any way to resist, he can't stop it. Why don't you prove that the Archdemon has enough willpower, for starters?



Explain to me why trapping the Archdemon in a barrier won't work. The castle exploded and Ganondorf killed Midna. What war is going on? You never said anything about a war; are you changing the rules? Also, can you prove the Archdemon has resistance to a disintegration touch?

Crap, I'm already double posting. Riordan died and despite the damage done the archdemon still mowed down enemies. Dorf got beat by seven guys, was captured, used the triforce and then was beaten again with only killing one.

He is harmed by swords it all boils down to can he resist the injuries accrued or not. That's it.

Dorf never ever killed Midna. He failed. Archdemon did kill riordan and isn't easily dismissed by seven mages like dorf had been.

I explained it last post with why grey wardens are needed to kill off the archdemon.

Because he can die and will die here. he can't just reform as easily as you believe nor did he against Link. he can resist some injuries due to the triforce but isn't unkillable we have to eliminate plot devices here otherwise it's a pointless debate from both sides.

Just like I can say if the sages had continue to assault dorf before allowing him time to break free. They sat there with him beaten and chained and waited in shock for him to break free and attack before bfring him.

The triforce gave him the power to resist but come on the archdemon can't even die mr. plot device it will just go to the nearest darskspawn and be reborn.

The swrod's effects were ebing negated he wasn't uncuttable. Then he quickly reacted and killed one but was quickly bfr'd into the twilight realm.


Dorf can't destroy a castle on his own nor did he ever show the power to do so on panel in a fight against Link or the sages. His battle with Midna we didn't see so against her the combined effects destroyed the castle but who knows where he went until the castle went down. It's all an unknown.

Midna's form was changed she wasn't brought back to life.

On here you can't argue with plot devices intact. If we do that then dorf can't ever beat him because the essence will go to nearest darkspawn. I also think anyone more powerful than dorf can kill him whether it's the master sword or not. You wouldn't argue the Living Tribunal couldn't harm Dorf.

Zant destroyed the mirror. Bottom line he needed someone else to enact his revenge. He came back and was still beaten by Link whom the sages sent after him.

We have never seen Dorf ever possess someone ever in a fight who has been conscious. He can't do it so it's not even worth arguing it just shows your desperation for asking me to do so.

We didn't see why or how it exploded nor did we ever see dorf ever use this type of force against Link or the sages. Sorry it's an unknown.

Dorf can't disintegrate the archdemon he only did so one time against one sage. You are reaching yet again he gets wrecked here by a more powerful opponent in a much scarier place than hyrule could ever be.

Seems like a pretty one sided beating so far from what I read ermm

Midna however unlike Riordon could use her Tk to rip the Archdemons wings completly off....

Technically the Archdemon is dead, only difference is a new one replaces it in a darkspawn. Theres no Darkspawn here though so it wont matter.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Midna however unlike Riordon could use her Tk to rip the Archdemons wings completly off....

Technically the Archdemon is dead, only difference is a new one replaces it in a darkspawn. Theres no Darkspawn here though so it wont matter. Midna isn't in this thread look up at the thread title and try to stay on point and subject. Now if you want create the thread for yet another lesson.

The soul only dies if a grey warden kills it. You don't grasp anything in games.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The feat isn't possible unless he stops them so there are no instances of him tossing a goron without the boots. He can't even shove one without the boots.


Point being? Unless you think the boots make Link stronger, they are not necessary for lifting. Answer me this: Do you think the boots make Link stronger?



I had to double check, and Diababa, Morpheel, Stallord, and Armoghoma are all larger. Beast Ganon is the same size.



The evidence is Ganondorf pulling the sword out his chest without cutting himself. Do you not think that counts? Do you think pulling a sword out won't cut someone? And if Ganondorf can weather fatal injuries, how can the Archdemon kill him?



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1:00. "You seek it...but the Mirror of Twilight has be fragmented by mighty magic. That magic is a dark power that only he posesses...His name is... Ganondorf.

And in case you forgot, he's laughing at the sword at 3:04.



Seriously, Zant has nothing to do with this. Ganondorf is more powerful now that he was in that scene, so you can stop using it to claim Ganondorf's weakness.



Yeah, I looked into it and pretty much anyone can kill an Archdemon, but a Grey Warden keeps it from possessing darkspawn to escape. Since there aren't any darkspawn in this fight, it seems the Archdemon will die for good when Ganondorf crushes it.



There are no darkspawn in this fight. Therefore, the Archdemon dies regardless.



Archdemon will lose no matter what, since his ability won't work if there are no darkspawn.



He shrugged the sword off after he got his Triforce. I posted the video; go watch it. He's literally laughing at the sword as he pulls it out. Now anser the question: Does pulling the sword out harm Ganondorf or not?



BT is right in this instance. The Sage's sword is not a normal sword. It appears to be made of light, and deals a larger wound than its size would suggest. Yet after Ganondorf got his Triforce, it stopped affecting him. The Archdemon is stunned by arrows, and normal sword can cut it like paper.



Ganondorf turns to twilight particles and does any number of things to kill it.



You keep saying this, but I'm not seeing it. Can you please point out what these feats are that make the Archdemon superior? Ganondorf can kill with a touch (superior power), tank an exploding castle (superior durability), and blow up a castle (superior magic).



The Archdemon's ability won't help him anyway, what with the lack of darkspawn.



Link does use it faster. Link does throw it farther. Link does deal more damage with it. Link does move faster than the boss with it. This basically means he's stronger than the boss, and no normal human could even weild the Ball and Chain.



We see a magic sword peirce him while doesn't have powers. We then see him gain powers and ignore the sword, and remove it without being cut. We then see another magic sword cancel his powers. The Archmage has no way of canceling his powers, and he has no way of getting past Ganondorf's durability.



And he couldn't resist because the Master Sword is designed to make him not resist. Any other sword would not have done so.



Because you were wrong whe you said Ganondorf is always impaled. I simply pointed out how.



We saw him resist the Sage's sword. Stop ignoring it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Riordan died and despite the damage done the archdemon still mowed down enemies. Dorf got beat by seven guys, was captured, used the triforce and then was beaten again with only killing one.

Archdemon got beat by one guy with a normal sword. Ganondorf, after improving from his previous defeat, was beaten by a guy with a magic sword designed to be his weakness, and some arrows designed to be his weakness. And he killed Midna.



After the Triforce, he is not harmed by swords.



Ganondorf killed Midna and the Light Spirits revived her. The damage he did destroyed a castle, far superior to anything the Archdemon has done. Ganondorf also broke the Mirror of Twilight, proving he was no longer vulnerable to it.



Yeah, Grey Wardens are essentially treated as darkspawn and get possessed when the Archdemon dies, thus destroying both their souls. Since apparently the Archdemon can't even posees anything with a soul without dying. This translates to a major weakness to possession for it, since it will kill it instantly.



Explain why. If Link with the Master Sword can't prevent Ganondorf from reforming at one point, how does the Archdemon prevent it? The Archdemon can attack Ganondorf all it wants, none of it will keep Ganondorf from reforming a body.



That wouldn't have worked, since not only was Ganondorf holding their only weapon, he was immune to it. Attacking him further would have done nothing.



What darkspawn? Unless there are any darkspawn in this battle, the Archdemon dies permanently.



The sword's effect was cutting. Therefore, negating that effect makes Ganondorf uncuttable. Ganondorf escaped the BFR and broke the Mirror.



We outright saw the castle explode and Ganondorf win the fight. We know Midna didn't destrot the castle since she lost the fight, and she's never shown that kind of power. That leaves Ganondorf.



Then where was she after Ganondorf destroyed the castle? He even took the Fused Shadow from her, which would require getting close enough to touch her. Which you don't do to an opponent who is still breathing. We even have the Light Spirits reviving Midna onscreen, what more do you want?



The Archdemon dies since there are no darkspawn. And I don't know, can the Living Tribunal prevent Ganondorf from reforming? If so, sure. If not, maybe Ganondorf won't be able to kill him, either.



Ganondorf destroyed the Mirror, as stated by the Sages. Link would have gone after Ganondorf regardless of what the Sages did.



Ah, but now we know that the Archdemon has a severe soul vulnerability, since having two souls in one body apparently kills it forever. Thus Ganondorf wins regardless.



Yeah, because he used it against Midna. He didn''t have the Triforce long enough against the Sages anyway.



Doing so only once does not mean Ganondorf can't do it. Since, you know, he's already done it once. The fact remains that the Archdemon has no defence against disintegration, and Ganondorf can disintegrate things.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Point being? Unless you think the boots make Link stronger, they are not necessary for lifting. Answer me this: Do you think the boots make Link stronger?



I had to double check, and Diababa, Morpheel, Stallord, and Armoghoma are all larger. Beast Ganon is the same size.



The evidence is Ganondorf pulling the sword out his chest without cutting himself. Do you not think that counts? Do you think pulling a sword out won't cut someone? And if Ganondorf can weather fatal injuries, how can the Archdemon kill him?



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1:00. "You seek it...but the Mirror of Twilight has be fragmented by mighty magic. That magic is a dark power that only he posesses...His name is... Ganondorf.

And in case you forgot, he's laughing at the sword at 3:04.



Seriously, Zant has nothing to do with this. Ganondorf is more powerful now that he was in that scene, so you can stop using it to claim Ganondorf's weakness.



Yeah, I looked into it and pretty much anyone can kill an Archdemon, but a Grey Warden keeps it from possessing darkspawn to escape. Since there aren't any darkspawn in this fight, it seems the Archdemon will die for good when Ganondorf crushes it.



There are no darkspawn in this fight. Therefore, the Archdemon dies regardless.



Archdemon will lose no matter what, since his ability won't work if there are no darkspawn.



He shrugged the sword off after he got his Triforce. I posted the video; go watch it. He's literally laughing at the sword as he pulls it out. Now anser the question: Does pulling the sword out harm Ganondorf or not?



BT is right in this instance. The Sage's sword is not a normal sword. It appears to be made of light, and deals a larger wound than its size would suggest. Yet after Ganondorf got his Triforce, it stopped affecting him. The Archdemon is stunned by arrows, and normal sword can cut it like paper.



Ganondorf turns to twilight particles and does any number of things to kill it.



You keep saying this, but I'm not seeing it. Can you please point out what these feats are that make the Archdemon superior? Ganondorf can kill with a touch (superior power), tank an exploding castle (superior durability), and blow up a castle (superior magic).



The Archdemon's ability won't help him anyway, what with the lack of darkspawn.



Link does use it faster. Link does throw it farther. Link does deal more damage with it. Link does move faster than the boss with it. This basically means he's stronger than the boss, and no normal human could even weild the Ball and Chain.



We see a magic sword peirce him while doesn't have powers. We then see him gain powers and ignore the sword, and remove it without being cut. We then see another magic sword cancel his powers. The Archmage has no way of canceling his powers, and he has no way of getting past Ganondorf's durability.



And he couldn't resist because the Master Sword is designed to make him not resist. Any other sword would not have done so.



Because you were wrong whe you said Ganondorf is always impaled. I simply pointed out how.



We saw him resist the Sage's sword. Stop ignoring it. I think the boots made the feat possible and without them he cannot compete with Gorons.

I disagree. They aren't larger take another look at the Archdemon.

The injuries were negated by the triforce there is magic involved here so don't try comparing it to real life.

He only weathered one strike not all coupled with opponents who stood there unlike the Archdemon. He can't resist the power of the archdemon.

Zant did so through his power both Zant and his power were needed. Dorf needed Zant which was evident later in the game when he came to Zant.

Dorf is more powerful yet loses to less foes and one inexperienced Link and still gets fatally wounded by blades except he didn't recover this time.

It never dies unless you destroy it's spirit. That's the point. Dorf won't kill it's body anyways so don't worry and don't think for a moment he has a chance against a force this powerful.


The archdemon won't be killed and since dorf is allowed hi triforce the archdemon is allowed dakrspawn as he draws them near and it's an ability of his. Ha.

You seem to ignore his abilities which is kind of hypocritical.

He resisted the effects and dies the next time this happens. He's an idiot because he gets bfr'd right afterwards as well and is defeated both times.


The power of the triforce resists it's effects.

It is a normal sword. Nothing special in it's properties whereas Riordan and every warden wouldn't just show up with a normal sword anyways and like I said there is no proof of dorf being uncuttable by any swords.

He can turn into particles to avoid him for a time but sooner or later he reforms and is quickly beaten.


I already did so. Your feats are vague and speculative and against weak sages well one sage as that is all he managed to defeat before he was easily beaten despite the triforce of power.

Get back to me when dorf kills at least two people in one encounter. I am disappoint.


His ability is to call darkspawn in. So if he ever comes close to death he calls darkspawn into the fight. That's his ability just like dorf has the triforce. Feel the burn.

Link lacks mobility with it while he uses two arms as opposed to the enemies one so of course he can he is using two arms.

HE DID POSSESS POWERS. I mean do you think dorf was some common schlub he just wasn't armed with the triforce yet and even when he was he still lost.

Dorf isn't durable he is easily cuttable as seen twice.

Archdemon is more powerful than dorf. In dorf's world the master sword is required which doesn't include a superior world with superior power and superior armies.

A possessed zelda isn't dorf. Link would never impaled Dorf as zelda because it's zelda. It was hilarious when you brought it up when it hurt your case.

He resisted the effects it still stabbed him. Quit ignoring he gets impaled show me one instance where a sword can't cut him.

Zant was able to pull nearly an entire country into another dimension.

The Archdemon failed to conquer a city.

Gee I wonder who wins?

Originally posted by The Scenario
Archdemon got beat by one guy with a normal sword. Ganondorf, after improving from his previous defeat, was beaten by a guy with a magic sword designed to be his weakness, and some arrows designed to be his weakness. And he killed Midna.



After the Triforce, he is not harmed by swords.



Ganondorf killed Midna and the Light Spirits revived her. The damage he did destroyed a castle, far superior to anything the Archdemon has done. Ganondorf also broke the Mirror of Twilight, proving he was no longer vulnerable to it.



Yeah, Grey Wardens are essentially treated as darkspawn and get possessed when the Archdemon dies, thus destroying both their souls. Since apparently the Archdemon can't even posees anything with a soul without dying. This translates to a major weakness to possession for it, since it will kill it instantly.



Explain why. If Link with the Master Sword can't prevent Ganondorf from reforming at one point, how does the Archdemon prevent it? The Archdemon can attack Ganondorf all it wants, none of it will keep Ganondorf from reforming a body.



That wouldn't have worked, since not only was Ganondorf holding their only weapon, he was immune to it. Attacking him further would have done nothing.



What darkspawn? Unless there are any darkspawn in this battle, the Archdemon dies permanently.



The sword's effect was cutting. Therefore, negating that effect makes Ganondorf uncuttable. Ganondorf escaped the BFR and broke the Mirror.



We outright saw the castle explode and Ganondorf win the fight. We know Midna didn't destrot the castle since she lost the fight, and she's never shown that kind of power. That leaves Ganondorf.



Then where was she after Ganondorf destroyed the castle? He even took the Fused Shadow from her, which would require getting close enough to touch her. Which you don't do to an opponent who is still breathing. We even have the Light Spirits reviving Midna onscreen, what more do you want?



The Archdemon dies since there are no darkspawn. And I don't know, can the Living Tribunal prevent Ganondorf from reforming? If so, sure. If not, maybe Ganondorf won't be able to kill him, either.



Ganondorf destroyed the Mirror, as stated by the Sages. Link would have gone after Ganondorf regardless of what the Sages did.



Ah, but now we know that the Archdemon has a severe soul vulnerability, since having two souls in one body apparently kills it forever. Thus Ganondorf wins regardless.



Yeah, because he used it against Midna. He didn''t have the Triforce long enough against the Sages anyway.



Doing so only once does not mean Ganondorf can't do it. Since, you know, he's already done it once. The fact remains that the Archdemon has no defence against disintegration, and Ganondorf can disintegrate things. Archdemon didn't just fight one guy with a normal sword he fought and beat one warden who damaged him and then a mini force and then a party. Context.

Dorf lost to Link one on one in a sword fight and Link due to Midna's help and Zelda's beat his other forms.

Midna wasn't dead. Dorf was beaten previously by sages who didn't use the master sword.

He gets harmed and killed by Link with his sword. You have no proof whatsoever of him being unable to be cut or damaged by swords.


Speculation. Like I said either prove it or quit speculating as a fact. Midna's form was changed she was never ever killed. Speculation again on your part.

Zant did so with his power meaning he needed someone else's aid to even strike back at the artifact who crushed him prior to. He couldn't even do so on his own. Weak.


It draws all darkspawn near to it. They can't resist this urging unless they drink warden blood so sorry but you are ignoring his ability and when he's in danger he is calling in tons of darkspawn.

Because the archdemon is more powerful and isn't in hyrule so the master sword being hyrule's chance has nothing to do with ferelden.

False. He resisted the effects but continuing to attack him in this tunned state would have easily killed him. They stood there dumb but still beat an even dumber opponent.

The archdemon draws all darkspawn near.

We never ever saw dorf ever display this power and neither midna so it makes sense for a battle between the two to destroy the castle. Thanks for agreeing with me.

More powerful characters can destroy dorf he's not unbeatable nor is he even in his own game. He gets beat twice in one game. That's hilarious.

Dorf's power did not dorf it was Zant. This was stated in the game and also the reason the mirror still existed until she destroyed it at the end because she was the rightful ruler.

Dorf can't possess him nor has he shown the ability to and if that would happen it would destroy dorf's soul as well. I already explained this to you.

Dorf had the triforce and used it and still got beaten while only losing one man despite him having the triforce of power.

Dorf didn't disintegrate Link nor Midna. Sorry he only beat one sage and failed to even touch another. Archdemon would beat dorf and solo hyrule imo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I think the boots made the feat possible and without them he cannot compete with Gorons.

That's not answering the question. Do the boots make Link stronger? Yes or no.



Did you even watch the videos?

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Archdemon is maybe ten times bigger than a human, and its head is about the size of a human.

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Diababa is quite a bit larger, and even his head is twice as big as Link.

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Morpheel is even bigger than that.

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Stallord's smaller than Morpheel, but bigger than Diababa. Still bigger than the Archdemon.

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And Armoghoma is slightly bigger than the Archdemon.



Again you have dodged my question. Answer it with either a yes or no, please. Did pulling the sword out of his heart hurt Ganondorf?



Why not? Ganondorf can reform his body from being destroyed and isn't harmed by normal swords.



Nah, they said it was Ganondorf. They know who Ganondorf is, after all. What does Zant have to do with this again?



Yes, Ganondorf is more powerful. Yes, Ganondorf loses to less foes, but they are very powerful. No, Link is not inexperienced.



It's spirit can't do anything without a darkspawn, so the Archdemon loses anyway. Why can't Ganondorf kill its body again? As I recal, the Archdemon is vulnerable to normal arrows and is torn apart by swords. Ganondorf is stronger than anything that's ever hit the Archdemon, so killing it won't be a problem.



'K, then Ganondorf summons all his Phantom Ganons, his horse, and his army and thus wins anyway. Or, you can follow the forum rules that say no summoning.



Which ones? None of the Archdemon's abilities will do much to Ganondorf.



Stop ignoring context. Ganondorf is no longer affected by the Mirror and the Archdemon can't replicate the Master Sword.



It is a yes or no question. Did the sword harm him after he got the Triforce?



Normal swords aren't made of light. Riordan's sword gives no indication that it is magical. Ganondorf ignores the sword after getting the Triforce.



How? If he can reform and the Archdemon doesn't have any real way to harm him, how can it win? Ganondorf just needs to slash the Archdemons neck and he wins.



That is completely unrelated to anything I said. Regardless, why would you want that? Quality beats quantity here, since Midna is stronger than pretty much anything the Archdemon has dealt with, and Ganondorf killed her. Oh, and he killed everything inside Hyrule Castle when he blew it to pieces. That puts Ganondorf above anything the Archdemon has ever done.



Again, I can either point out that Ganondorf can do the same thing, or point out that summoning is disallowed by forum rules. Either way, I don't care much.



So you admit your argument was worthless?



He didn't possess any special durability or immortality, and he wasn't as powerful as normal. And he really didn't lose in the long run, since you keep ignoring the fact that he got stronger and broke the Mirror, and the Archdemon can't even use anything resembling the Mirror.



And once again I tell you that the sword failed to harm him after he got the Triforce, so the first time doesn't even count, and the second time was by the Master Sword, which you do not seem to want to acknowledge.



Other than the superior armies (lol hyrule soldiers), pretty much all of that is false. Zelda in general has more powerful characters than Dragon Age, and most of the world itself just has stronger stuff.



None of that changes the fact that you were wrong, as Ganondorf still avoided impalement. Can you show me any scene where the Archdemon was not hurt by a weapon?



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3:00. Did the sword harm him in that scene?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Archdemon didn't just fight one guy with a normal sword he fought and beat one warden who damaged him and then a mini force and then a party. Context.


Archdemon was crippled by one guy with a normal sword, and killed by a sword blow to the neck. Ganondorf was fought four times in different forms before being stabbed through the heart with his one weakness.



Aside from Midna, who he killed without any damage at all, Zelda and Link were wielding weapons that were designed to hurt him. Link beat him one on one after four battles with explicit weaknesses.



If she was not dead, please tell me where she was and what she was doing after the castle exploded, and she only appeared after the Light Spirits started working their magic. Ganondorf could not be harmed by the Sages after he got his powers and the Archdemon has no way to BFR him.



Link was using the Master Sword, which cancels out Ganondorf's powers. My evidence is this:
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Midna does not have enough power to destroy a castle. Midna is defeated by Ganondorf. We see a yellow energy pulse a second before the castle is destroyed, and Midna was the first one seen attacking. Since the pulse didn't destroy the castle and Ganondorf hadn't attacked yet, he's the only one that could have done the deed and since Midna also died, she couldn't have done it.



Wait. You think Zant using Ganondorf's power to do something means Ganondorf can't do it? That is highly illogical, and makes no sense at all. Regardless, the Sages outright said that Ganondorf did it.



Hold on a moment. Is the Archdemon summoning the darkspawn or calling existing darkspawn to its position? If the latter, it does not work since there are not any darkspawn in the area. And that then means the Archdemon dies without any darkspawn.



Prove this, since the Archdemon has not displayed the power necessary to even harm Ganondorf, let alone comparable to the Master Sword's effect.



He resisted the effects of being cut. So he is, in fact, uncuttable, as proven when the sword fails to harm him at all. Further attacks would have done nothing.



Unless it creates them itself, there are no darkspawn nearby.



Except we've seen Midna use her full power with the Fused Shadows, and it is not castle busting power. So when she used the same power again, it would not have been able to destroy the castle. We hadn't seen Ganondorf's full power yet at that point, but then he blew up the castle, proving that he had the power. There you go.



He gets beaten by exploiting weakness that harm him. Unless someone can do that, they can't beat him. Archdemon can do that, so it can't win.



Sages stated that it was Ganondorf that did it. You're arguing with a cutscene right now.



Ganondorf doesn't need to possess the Archdemon. He just needs to get both in the same body, and the Archdemon will die automatically. Ganondorf has more soul resistance than a Grey Warden, so his soul won't be destroyed.



I don't understand how you continue to think this when the defeat was a BFR, which the Archdemon is incapable of doing, and when Ganondorf came back and destroyed the Mirror after getting stronger.



So? He still disintegrated someone and the Archdemon has no resistance. Ganondorf touches the Archdemon and it dies. End of battle.

Originally posted by The Scenario
That's not answering the question. Do the boots make Link stronger? Yes or no.



Did you even watch the videos?

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Archdemon is maybe ten times bigger than a human, and its head is about the size of a human.

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Diababa is quite a bit larger, and even his head is twice as big as Link.

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Morpheel is even bigger than that.

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Stallord's smaller than Morpheel, but bigger than Diababa. Still bigger than the Archdemon.

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And Armoghoma is slightly bigger than the Archdemon.



Again you have dodged my question. Answer it with either a yes or no, please. Did pulling the sword out of his heart hurt Ganondorf?



Why not? Ganondorf can reform his body from being destroyed and isn't harmed by normal swords.



Nah, they said it was Ganondorf. They know who Ganondorf is, after all. What does Zant have to do with this again?



Yes, Ganondorf is more powerful. Yes, Ganondorf loses to less foes, but they are very powerful. No, Link is not inexperienced.



It's spirit can't do anything without a darkspawn, so the Archdemon loses anyway. Why can't Ganondorf kill its body again? As I recal, the Archdemon is vulnerable to normal arrows and is torn apart by swords. Ganondorf is stronger than anything that's ever hit the Archdemon, so killing it won't be a problem.



'K, then Ganondorf summons all his Phantom Ganons, his horse, and his army and thus wins anyway. Or, you can follow the forum rules that say no summoning.



Which ones? None of the Archdemon's abilities will do much to Ganondorf.



Stop ignoring context. Ganondorf is no longer affected by the Mirror and the Archdemon can't replicate the Master Sword.



It is a yes or no question. Did the sword harm him after he got the Triforce?



Normal swords aren't made of light. Riordan's sword gives no indication that it is magical. Ganondorf ignores the sword after getting the Triforce.



How? If he can reform and the Archdemon doesn't have any real way to harm him, how can it win? Ganondorf just needs to slash the Archdemons neck and he wins.



That is completely unrelated to anything I said. Regardless, why would you want that? Quality beats quantity here, since Midna is stronger than pretty much anything the Archdemon has dealt with, and Ganondorf killed her. Oh, and he killed everything inside Hyrule Castle when he blew it to pieces. That puts Ganondorf above anything the Archdemon has ever done.



Again, I can either point out that Ganondorf can do the same thing, or point out that summoning is disallowed by forum rules. Either way, I don't care much.



So you admit your argument was worthless?



He didn't possess any special durability or immortality, and he wasn't as powerful as normal. And he really didn't lose in the long run, since you keep ignoring the fact that he got stronger and broke the Mirror, and the Archdemon can't even use anything resembling the Mirror.



And once again I tell you that the sword failed to harm him after he got the Triforce, so the first time doesn't even count, and the second time was by the Master Sword, which you do not seem to want to acknowledge.



Other than the superior armies (lol hyrule soldiers), pretty much all of that is false. Zelda in general has more powerful characters than Dragon Age, and most of the world itself just has stronger stuff.



None of that changes the fact that you were wrong, as Ganondorf still avoided impalement. Can you show me any scene where the Archdemon was not hurt by a weapon?



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3:00. Did the sword harm him in that scene? The boots make the feats possible. Link lacks the weight to do anything outside the boots and while equipped lacks mobility and becomes a sitting duck. your question is irrelevant.


You are confusing the manner in which the game presents the battles here in terms of actual size. The archdemon is bigger imo than all these foes and size doesn't necessarily prove anything either way so it's a moot point in any event.

It didn't hurt him because the triforce negated the injuries prior to it definitely hurt and it still hurt when Link impaled him later on.

We have seen dorf harmed by normal swords and then resist one attack one time due to stupidity on the sages part which in the end didn't matter as he was easily defeated any way despite the master sword not bing present or the hero. Laughs.

Zant did so and the only reason the mirror wasn't completely destroyed was because he was never the true king. I still remember this from months ago but I kinda want to allow you rpoint only because dorf was unable to destroy it completely whereas Midna did so showing up him. Hahahahaha. Fine I will allow it.


Link is very inexperienced he learns his skills in practically no time and puts it together to defeat his foes with hardly any aid at all. The forces he faces are lackluster and consist of monkeys, a few random shadow beats, and random ogres. It's not even close to the kind of forces, leadership, organization, and power seen in just ferelden.

Dorf hasn't shown himself to be very strong at all. Link was shown to be weaker than the warrior who wielded the ball and chain and didn't overpower him. Dorf is powerful but not to the Archdemon's level or anywhere close it. He can't take on forces and needs others such as zant to actually succeed with this power where he mainly failed.

Dorf can kill his body because but won't so don't worry about it.

Dorf doesn't summon his army against Link just his horse and what not. he doesn't summon his army in battle not once whereas the archdemon's ability is to speak to them and drive them to his side and this actually happens in the battle unlike dorf. It's amusing you are even more desperate to sink this low without a tactic he even employs once in this game. That's the difference between you and I. I argue with things I have seen while you speculate.


You can ignore the archdemon's abilities all you want and glorify dorf's I am used to it by now. It won't work though and it shows you really can't even argue and fully back dorf since you ignore abilities.

So a dragon chewing on dorf can't kill him ? If dorf laid there could the archdemon kill him ? I can't wait to hear what kind of craziness you will say next.

Midna isn't stronger than even a high dragon nor has she shown herself to be so you are wrong good sir. I know i fthey appear in zelda they can throw houses and crap on mountains but if you play the games these characters aren't even close to where you have them at.


Dorf never blew up the castle on his own we don't know what exactly did so but common sense says it's a combination of their battle as neither has shown this amount of power on their own. Point quan.


No, you admitted he's weaker than the enemy as he doesn't use both arms and while Link does he's a sitting target.


The mirror was wrecked by Zant he needed someone else to do it for him. The archdemon doesn't need to use a mirror to kill him but why I am arguing with someone who hasn't even played dragon age yet argues vehemently against. Ignorance.

The triforce powered him up to take out the sword it didn't prevent damage from all future swords. it was a reaction to the injuries sustained not a permanent resistance to swords. Be serious.

Zelda doesn't have anything more powerful. Hyrule's army is a joke. The twili beasts are so few in number and generally so weak I see no reason outside a few forces from just ferelden to put all of these lands into ferelden's rule.


Mabari, werewolves, golems, drakes, fade demons, templars, redcliffe, dwarves, mages, emissaries, darkspawn, ogres, armored ogres, high dragons, valterran, bears, wolves, blight wolves, broodmothers, circle of magi, I mean honestly do I need to go on ?


You have noooo idea how deep this game goes and just how overwhelmed by sheer numbers forget the fact these forces are more organized and flat out superior with stronger forces and more powerful magical users in general.

If the archdemon gets hit by an arrow the damage is so minor why even bring it up we see the eldest grey warden I mean cut him the ---- up and still maul forces and take on four party members. The damage is so minor and doesn't effect his abilities save large range flying the difference isn't even noticeable.

Yes, it did harm him until he accessed the triforce and then pulled it out. Next time he was impaled he died.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Archdemon was crippled by one guy with a normal sword, and killed by a sword blow to the neck. Ganondorf was fought four times in different forms before being stabbed through the heart with his one weakness.



Aside from Midna, who he killed without any damage at all, Zelda and Link were wielding weapons that were designed to hurt him. Link beat him one on one after four battles with explicit weaknesses.



If she was not dead, please tell me where she was and what she was doing after the castle exploded, and she only appeared after the Light Spirits started working their magic. Ganondorf could not be harmed by the Sages after he got his powers and the Archdemon has no way to BFR him.



Link was using the Master Sword, which cancels out Ganondorf's powers. My evidence is this:
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Midna does not have enough power to destroy a castle. Midna is defeated by Ganondorf. We see a yellow energy pulse a second before the castle is destroyed, and Midna was the first one seen attacking. Since the pulse didn't destroy the castle and Ganondorf hadn't attacked yet, he's the only one that could have done the deed and since Midna also died, she couldn't have done it.



Wait. You think Zant using Ganondorf's power to do something means Ganondorf can't do it? That is highly illogical, and makes no sense at all. Regardless, the Sages outright said that Ganondorf did it.



Hold on a moment. Is the Archdemon summoning the darkspawn or calling existing darkspawn to its position? If the latter, it does not work since there are not any darkspawn in the area. And that then means the Archdemon dies without any darkspawn.



Prove this, since the Archdemon has not displayed the power necessary to even harm Ganondorf, let alone comparable to the Master Sword's effect.



He resisted the effects of being cut. So he is, in fact, uncuttable, as proven when the sword fails to harm him at all. Further attacks would have done nothing.



Unless it creates them itself, there are no darkspawn nearby.



Except we've seen Midna use her full power with the Fused Shadows, and it is not castle busting power. So when she used the same power again, it would not have been able to destroy the castle. We hadn't seen Ganondorf's full power yet at that point, but then he blew up the castle, proving that he had the power. There you go.



He gets beaten by exploiting weakness that harm him. Unless someone can do that, they can't beat him. Archdemon can do that, so it can't win.



Sages stated that it was Ganondorf that did it. You're arguing with a cutscene right now.



Ganondorf doesn't need to possess the Archdemon. He just needs to get both in the same body, and the Archdemon will die automatically. Ganondorf has more soul resistance than a Grey Warden, so his soul won't be destroyed.



I don't understand how you continue to think this when the defeat was a BFR, which the Archdemon is incapable of doing, and when Ganondorf came back and destroyed the Mirror after getting stronger.



So? He still disintegrated someone and the Archdemon has no resistance. Ganondorf touches the Archdemon and it dies. End of battle. Archdemon took on a grey warden who got the jump on him and it sill mattered not. He was easily defeated unlike the sages who easily bested dorf twice in one fight.

So what ? Dorf has a weapon backing him designed for power so why always make excuses for him. The master sword still needs to be wielded effectively and the light arrows aimed true. Dorf lost to an inexperienced fighter due to skill. In the end his lack of swordmanship cost him.

She was ko'd on the ground and the light spirits restored her true form afterwards. Nowhere ever does it make it seem like she was killed we are unaware until after the fight and it's obvious to me anyways she was just down but not permanently out.

The sages were up against the triforce so they used an artifact and easily beat dorf. The archdemon doesn't need to bfr him to beat him. Just bringing up how easy in his own game he is to beat.

Dorf didn't have the power to resist the impalement by the master sword. That's it he had the power to resist the sages also due to their stupidity as much as anything else.

Midna didn't do it on her own neither did dorf. I have said this the entire time whereas you keep saying she couldn't have done it which I agree with. Both of their attacks coupled caused this as dorf didn't even come close to wrecking a room prior to or after this. When archdemon dies it sends a powerful explosion whereas dorf dies just poop hits the ground from his smelly green ass.

False. Dorf was beaten twice and once without the master sword. The twilight mirror isn't his bane it's just another thing that has defeated him before.

Zant did so with his power but fine dorf couldn't wreck of all the mirror but midna could. I already conceded dorf's laughable power a post ago.

Summoning darkspawn in existence. It's an ability.

Dorf hasn't shown any resistance to any enemy in this game. The guy was killed rather quickly, imprisoned rather quickly, and then bfr'd rather quickly. Not very impressed.


He wasn't uncuttable he had the power to resist the sword's damage at that time but was shown later to go down to being cut in the same manner and couldn't resist it.

It calls them near if it's in trouble which it won't be so don't worry.

There is no surviving and it won't go inside of dorf anyways as he doesn't have the taint in him it seems you still don't understand.

Someone more powerful can kill dorf and even in his own game the sages and Link who are less powerful can beat him.

Just bringing up how easily he has been dealt with in the past. Archdemon doesn't need to do so.

Someone as big and powerful as the archdemon isn't as easy to disintegrate as some weak sage. You really don't even grasp power or the situation here.

Dorf gets eaten by the archdemon.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The boots make the feats possible. Link lacks the weight to do anything outside the boots and while equipped lacks mobility and becomes a sitting duck. your question is irrelevant.


You're now ignoring my questions. Great. The point is that once a Goron is stopped, the extra weight isn't needed and Link can just use his strength. You seem to think he needs the boots to do anything requiring strength, which was why I asked. The feat proves that Link has immense strength behind his tiny arms, so his sword swings are stronger than a normal human's.



That doesn't make any sense at all. The way the battles are presented does not change the size of an entity. And size is not a matter of opinion, so "imo" means nothing here. The entire point of this was to establish that Link has fought things bigger than the Archdemon and gained experience from the battles.



Ok, so what prevents the Triforce from negating anything the Archdemon does? Since the sword could not cut him after he got the Triforce, I don't see the Archdemon as being able to cut him, either. And once again you ignore the context of the Master sword canceling the Triforce.



No, we have not, in fact, seen Ganondorf hurt by any normal swords. He was hurt by a magical sword, though he became immune to it after he got the Triforce. And the Sages still were unable to harm him at all. The Mirror didn't harm him either, and for the possibly hundredth time, Ganondorf came back and broke the Mirror later.



You are aware Ganondorf isn't the Twili king either, correct? And that the Mirror was created by the goddesses? And that it was their will that only the Twili ruler could truly destroy the Mirror? And despite that, Ganondorf still broke the Mirror.



No, Link is quite experienced, what with fighting all the bigger than Archdemon monsters, as well as the Shadow Beasts and Bulblin military, along with Ganondorf's forces. By the time he reached Ganondorf, Link was an extremely skilled fighter, since he did all of it single handidly.



No, if you remember, Link was shown to be stronger than the warrior who weilded the Ball and Chain, since he did it much better. The Archdemon doesn't really have an strength feats aside from knocking down a few soldiers, and Ganondorf was breaking magical chains of light and competing with Link, which puts him above the Archdemon strengthwise.



See, it's when you say things like this with nothing back them that things get difficult. Ganondorf not only has a magical sword, his opponent also has a crippling vulnerability to any slashing or stabbing weapon. One cut is all it would really take for Ganondorf to win, if he did not just destroy the Archdemon's soul. And the Archdemon has not displayed the strength needed to hurt Ganondorf, let alone keep him from reforming.



Uh, no. Read the rules. There are no darkspawn in this thread, so the Archdemon has nothing to call. Even if he could, Ganondorf's Phantom Ganons (which he used in the horseback fight) would make quick work of them, and Ganondorf can just keep summing more. Hell, he can just send the Phantoms after the Archdemon while he hangs back a reflects all the Archdemon's ranged attacks.



No, seriously, how does the Archdemon call any darkspawn if there are not any in the area? Explain that, please. This is a one on one forum fight, and darkspawn would be outside help. Did you just decide to add darkspawn to the Archdemon's side?



The Archdemon has not displayed the strength needed to harm Ganondorf. No, unless you post a strength feat, the Archdemon could not kill Ganondorf even if he just stood there. However, if you can post a sufficient strength feat, you'll win.



Midna has shown enough TK to lift a bridge. That puts her above a high dragon. If you paid attention you would see this. However, Midna can't blow up a castle. Ganondorf can blow up a castle, though, so the Archdemon really has no way to win.



No. This is the extent of Midna's power:
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As you can plainly see, Midna, while powerful, cannot destroy a castle at her maximum. Since Midna could not have done it, and Ganondorf was the only other on there, it literally could not have been anyone else. Ganondorf obviously destroyed the castle.



I never agreed to that. I simply said that Link does not need 6 or so seconds of rest before throwing the Ball and Chain again like the boss does, so he is obviously stronger.



Why are you saying Zant did it when you already agreed that Ganondorf destroyed the Mirror? And you are aware that I have posted more Dragon Age videos in this thread than you have? And that the first thing I did when I saw this thread was to look at the Dragon Age wiki and then read its Tvtropes article? I don't need to play a game to know how strong its characters are.



Uh, yes it did. That's why the sword failed to damage him when he removed it. Do you honestly think that's a power he would turn off voluntarily? Be serious.

Zant would solo them. See, the thing about Zelda is that it is not army based. It just tends to have several super strong characters that leave everyone else in the dust. But regardless, let's see:
Aerofos, Armos, Beamos, Bokoblin, Bulblin, Chilfos, Darknut, Deku-Baba, Dodongo, Dinofos, Freezard, Helmasaurus, Imp Poe, Kargarok, Lizalfos, Moldorm, Poe, Puppet, Redead Knight, Skulltula, Stalfos, Stalhound, Shadow Kargarok, Shadow Beast, White Wolfos, etc. There ya go.



I've seen nothing from then that indicates this. However, this is off topic and irrelevant.



Yet he still notices, and the Archdemon flinches at arrows in cutscene. Whereas Ganondorf laughs at swords.



It did not harm him when he pulled it out. He was only impaled because the Master Sword was doing the impaling.




Spent the entire cutscene bleeding and screaming in pain befre falling to the ground. It beat Riordan accidentally. And you know what? It's easier to just say the Arxhdemon can't do what the Sages did.



Link is highly experienced and highly skilled. Don't underestimate him, especially since Link also has the Triforce of Courage. But its not like the Archdemon uses swords, so why bring it up? Ganondorf is still a superior fighter to the Archdemon, thanks to his power and durability.



Ganondorf crushed her helmet. At that point, she was dead. The very fact that Ganondorf had to ppry the thing from her head is proof of that.



No, you're just intentionally ignoring context and bashing Ganondorf at every opportunity. If Ganondorf could only be beaten by BFR or Link's strength with the Master Sword, and the Archdemon has neither, how will he win? Not to mention that Ganondorf can no longer be BFR'd since he can travel across dimensions and broke the Mirror of Twilight.



Now you're getting it. Ganondorf can resist pretty much everything but the thing designed to hurt him. Other things can't hurt him.



No, we've seen that Midna's maximum isn't even close to good enough for castle busting, while we hadn't seen Ganondorf go all out. When he did, he killed Midna and destroyed Hyrule castle. Why are you bashing Ganondorf so much, really? I understand if you hate Zelda, but that's just being ridiculous.



The Mirror of Twilight also failed to hurt Ganondorf in any way. It sent him away, but it could not harm him. That may count as a defeat, but now that Ganondorf mastered the Triforce, he can cross dimensions and make the BFR useless. And since the Archdemon cannot BFR, Ganondorf destroys it.



Except that you forgot that Ganondorf killed Midna. The only reason he couldn't completely shatter the Mirror is because he wasn't a Twili ruler. Power had nothing to with it. How is that laughable again?



So the darkspawn have to already be in the area. That just conirms that the Archdemon can't do it, since that would be outside help and against the rules. The OP did not give the Arxhdemon any darkspawn, so he can't have them.



The Archdemon was crippled rather quickly, fell rather quickly, and was killed rather quickly. What's your point, that you ignore context and facts whenever you want?



He resisted the sword's damage. This means he resisted being cut. This means he is uncuttable by normal blades and some magical blades. The only one he can't resist is the Master Sword, which he Archdemon can't use.



There are not any darkspawn to call in a forum fight. It is a one on one fight, and the darkspawn essentially do not exist for it to call. Do you not understand this?



I understand perfectly. The Archdemon doesn't need to go inside inside Ganondorf. However, Ganondorf can go inside the Archdemon for the same effect, thus destroying the Archdemon's soul.



The Sages can't beat him, they can just send him away. If you really can't remember, the Mirror of Twilight can't hurt Ganondorf, and he can break it. The Master Sword and Triforce of Courage puts Link on Ganondorf's level.



You're admitting that it was pointless, then? If the Arxhdemon can't do the same, he can't beat Ganondorf. It's just that simple.



Prove it. The Archdemon has no resistance unless you can show it to me. Prove the Archdemon has resistance or it dies on contact with Ganondorf.



Thus touching Ganondorf, thus dying. Thus getting possessed, thus dying. Archy can't win.

Originally posted by The Scenario
You're now ignoring my questions. Great. The point is that once a Goron is stopped, the extra weight isn't needed and Link can just use his strength. You seem to think he needs the boots to do anything requiring strength, which was why I asked. The feat proves that Link has immense strength behind his tiny arms, so his sword swings are stronger than a normal human's.



That doesn't make any sense at all. The way the battles are presented does not change the size of an entity. And size is not a matter of opinion, so "imo" means nothing here. The entire point of this was to establish that Link has fought things bigger than the Archdemon and gained experience from the battles.



Ok, so what prevents the Triforce from negating anything the Archdemon does? Since the sword could not cut him after he got the Triforce, I don't see the Archdemon as being able to cut him, either. And once again you ignore the context of the Master sword canceling the Triforce.



No, we have not, in fact, seen Ganondorf hurt by any normal swords. He was hurt by a magical sword, though he became immune to it after he got the Triforce. And the Sages still were unable to harm him at all. The Mirror didn't harm him either, and for the possibly hundredth time, Ganondorf came back and broke the Mirror later.



You are aware Ganondorf isn't the Twili king either, correct? And that the Mirror was created by the goddesses? And that it was their will that only the Twili ruler could truly destroy the Mirror? And despite that, Ganondorf still broke the Mirror.



No, Link is quite experienced, what with fighting all the bigger than Archdemon monsters, as well as the Shadow Beasts and Bulblin military, along with Ganondorf's forces. By the time he reached Ganondorf, Link was an extremely skilled fighter, since he did all of it single handidly.



No, if you remember, Link was shown to be stronger than the warrior who weilded the Ball and Chain, since he did it much better. The Archdemon doesn't really have an strength feats aside from knocking down a few soldiers, and Ganondorf was breaking magical chains of light and competing with Link, which puts him above the Archdemon strengthwise.



See, it's when you say things like this with nothing back them that things get difficult. Ganondorf not only has a magical sword, his opponent also has a crippling vulnerability to any slashing or stabbing weapon. One cut is all it would really take for Ganondorf to win, if he did not just destroy the Archdemon's soul. And the Archdemon has not displayed the strength needed to hurt Ganondorf, let alone keep him from reforming.



Uh, no. Read the rules. There are no darkspawn in this thread, so the Archdemon has nothing to call. Even if he could, Ganondorf's Phantom Ganons (which he used in the horseback fight) would make quick work of them, and Ganondorf can just keep summing more. Hell, he can just send the Phantoms after the Archdemon while he hangs back a reflects all the Archdemon's ranged attacks.



No, seriously, how does the Archdemon call any darkspawn if there are not any in the area? Explain that, please. This is a one on one forum fight, and darkspawn would be outside help. Did you just decide to add darkspawn to the Archdemon's side?



The Archdemon has not displayed the strength needed to harm Ganondorf. No, unless you post a strength feat, the Archdemon could not kill Ganondorf even if he just stood there. However, if you can post a sufficient strength feat, you'll win.



Midna has shown enough TK to lift a bridge. That puts her above a high dragon. If you paid attention you would see this. However, Midna can't blow up a castle. Ganondorf can blow up a castle, though, so the Archdemon really has no way to win.



No. This is the extent of Midna's power:
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As you can plainly see, Midna, while powerful, cannot destroy a castle at her maximum. Since Midna could not have done it, and Ganondorf was the only other on there, it literally could not have been anyone else. Ganondorf obviously destroyed the castle.



I never agreed to that. I simply said that Link does not need 6 or so seconds of rest before throwing the Ball and Chain again like the boss does, so he is obviously stronger.



Why are you saying Zant did it when you already agreed that Ganondorf destroyed the Mirror? And you are aware that I have posted more Dragon Age videos in this thread than you have? And that the first thing I did when I saw this thread was to look at the Dragon Age wiki and then read its Tvtropes article? I don't need to play a game to know how strong its characters are.



Uh, yes it did. That's why the sword failed to damage him when he removed it. Do you honestly think that's a power he would turn off voluntarily? Be serious. To do anything to an opponent who has a considerable weight advantage he needs the boots. Nothing anywhere close to a strength feat is done without the boots so he needs them but it comes at a cost as he loses his mobility. I'd love to see him battle anyone with these things on. It'd be so amusing.

None of the enemies were bigger than Link and the presentation of the battles is much different or hadn't you noticed ?

The thing is the Archdemon is more powerful than dorf as evidenced by the power released upon his death compared to the power of dorf's death which was rather pathetic by comparison.

When has dorf laughed off anyone cutting him ? When has he resisted being pierced by any blade from striking him initially ?

Dorf was hurt by their sword and no reference in the game if I am remembering correctly to his or that sword being magical or special. In any event the sages easily defeated him despite him using the triforce of power against them.

I am aware dorf's power coudln't destroy the mirror altogether. I am aware Midna could and she wasn't the king either. She's a female and easily proved dorf's impotence once again.


Link didn't do it all singlehandedly he had Bo's help, Zelda's aid, Midna's aid at various points throughout the game. To say he had no aid is completely false. Link fought against weak opponents who weren't structured or really organized at all and was at zant's mercy early on. Link was extremely lucky and needed all the help he got throughout the game and still wasn't that experienced time wise to perfect his skills.

No, Link wasn't he was slower and used two hands as opposed to one. Using two hands equals more strength as opposed to someone else's lone hand.

Dorf doesn't possess that kind of strength all the time and anyways he never was shown to outclass more than one opponent with a cheapshot anyways. Had the sage been aware he'd have resisted I believe.

When was the archdemon killed by just one total slash ? Where do you dream this stuff up ? Dorf can't take on more than two opponents at once he simply can't take them on unlike the Archdemon.


How would you know whether or not his phantoms make quick work of them you have never even played the game and he can call either of his two generals.


I guess you want to ignore his abilities. Fine I will ignore it since you are throwing a hissyfit.



You don't need strength to pierce dorf we saw sages do it. They weren't even shown to be strong and Link wasn't shown to be strong and he's never resisted anything before. You can pretend the dragon can't hurt dorf it only hurts you and your delusions.

Yes, she did move a bridge. Ok, and ? You are making a case for her showing a more impressive feat of power than dorf. I like.

No, since we have never seen him demonstrate this level of power it was obviously a combined effort.


Two hands are stronger than one. You proved Link needs two hands whereas the boss needs one.

I don't post videos. I just don't you are free to call me on anything but I don't post videos. You know this about me I don't search youtube I simply argue my opinion so if you don't like it, tough.


You post the same videos a hundred times which is rather annoying imo.

I believe it powered him up for the moment. There's no evidence he can resist swords now only if injured enough call on enough power to resist the effects which he did against Link only failed. It supports my opinion not yours.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Zant would solo them. See, the thing about Zelda is that it is not army based. It just tends to have several super strong characters that leave everyone else in the dust. But regardless, let's see:
Aerofos, Armos, Beamos, Bokoblin, Bulblin, Chilfos, Darknut, Deku-Baba, Dodongo, Dinofos, Freezard, Helmasaurus, Imp Poe, Kargarok, Lizalfos, Moldorm, Poe, Puppet, Redead Knight, Skulltula, Stalfos, Stalhound, Shadow Kargarok, Shadow Beast, White Wolfos, etc. There ya go.



I've seen nothing from then that indicates this. However, this is off topic and irrelevant.



Yet he still notices, and the Archdemon flinches at arrows in cutscene. Whereas Ganondorf laughs at swords.



It did not harm him when he pulled it out. He was only impaled because the Master Sword was doing the impaling.




Spent the entire cutscene bleeding and screaming in pain befre falling to the ground. It beat Riordan accidentally. And you know what? It's easier to just say the Arxhdemon can't do what the Sages did.



Link is highly experienced and highly skilled. Don't underestimate him, especially since Link also has the Triforce of Courage. But its not like the Archdemon uses swords, so why bring it up? Ganondorf is still a superior fighter to the Archdemon, thanks to his power and durability.



Ganondorf crushed her helmet. At that point, she was dead. The very fact that Ganondorf had to ppry the thing from her head is proof of that.



No, you're just intentionally ignoring context and bashing Ganondorf at every opportunity. If Ganondorf could only be beaten by BFR or Link's strength with the Master Sword, and the Archdemon has neither, how will he win? Not to mention that Ganondorf can no longer be BFR'd since he can travel across dimensions and broke the Mirror of Twilight.



Now you're getting it. Ganondorf can resist pretty much everything but the thing designed to hurt him. Other things can't hurt him.



No, we've seen that Midna's maximum isn't even close to good enough for castle busting, while we hadn't seen Ganondorf go all out. When he did, he killed Midna and destroyed Hyrule castle. Why are you bashing Ganondorf so much, really? I understand if you hate Zelda, but that's just being ridiculous.



The Mirror of Twilight also failed to hurt Ganondorf in any way. It sent him away, but it could not harm him. That may count as a defeat, but now that Ganondorf mastered the Triforce, he can cross dimensions and make the BFR useless. And since the Archdemon cannot BFR, Ganondorf destroys it.



Except that you forgot that Ganondorf killed Midna. The only reason he couldn't completely shatter the Mirror is because he wasn't a Twili ruler. Power had nothing to with it. How is that laughable again?



So the darkspawn have to already be in the area. That just conirms that the Archdemon can't do it, since that would be outside help and against the rules. The OP did not give the Arxhdemon any darkspawn, so he can't have them.



The Archdemon was crippled rather quickly, fell rather quickly, and was killed rather quickly. What's your point, that you ignore context and facts whenever you want?



He resisted the sword's damage. This means he resisted being cut. This means he is uncuttable by normal blades and some magical blades. The only one he can't resist is the Master Sword, which he Archdemon can't use.



There are not any darkspawn to call in a forum fight. It is a one on one fight, and the darkspawn essentially do not exist for it to call. Do you not understand this?



I understand perfectly. The Archdemon doesn't need to go inside inside Ganondorf. However, Ganondorf can go inside the Archdemon for the same effect, thus destroying the Archdemon's soul.



The Sages can't beat him, they can just send him away. If you really can't remember, the Mirror of Twilight can't hurt Ganondorf, and he can break it. The Master Sword and Triforce of Courage puts Link on Ganondorf's level.



You're admitting that it was pointless, then? If the Arxhdemon can't do the same, he can't beat Ganondorf. It's just that simple.



Prove it. The Archdemon has no resistance unless you can show it to me. Prove the Archdemon has resistance or it dies on contact with Ganondorf.



Thus touching Ganondorf, thus dying. Thus getting possessed, thus dying. Archy can't win. Zant needed an army to invade hyrule. He never solo'd anything. Those enemies pale in comparison, lack numbers, are less organized, and not as powerful so really I feel sorry as you have no clue.


You're ignorant about the entire game. to get an actual feel you need to play these games that's why I won't argue character vs. character unless I have played the actual game.

Archdemon crushed them whereas dorf was beaten by the sages. Case in point.

He was harmed both times he was impaled he tried to resist both effects and succeeded once and failed the other time.

So actively trying to fling off an opponent hundreds of feet in the air is accidentally ? When you say things like this it's hard for me to take you seriously. You act as if the archdemon didn't actively try to defeat him which he did successfully.

Link has a few weeks of experience with a few lessons from the old warrior and aid from Bo, etc. He defeats the forces as they aren't organized and aren't powerful. In dragon age he'd be swallowed by just a rush of darkspawn.

Dorf can't resist the archdemon's jawpower or his flames.

Dorf isn't a more skilled fighter. He loses to someone less powerful and with minimal experience.

She was ko'd no proof of her death just more speculation. You speculate the entire time with no proof just speculation.

Dorf can be beaten by superior power which the archdemon has. Dorf has never been shown to have power to resist dragons or with the powers archdemon has. Archdemon doesn't wield a sword either so why act like him resisting a sword is proof of anything ? it works both ways.

No, he can't he had the power to resist one near fatal attack due to enemy stupidity and shock. That's it he lost the second time he came around to a less powerful opponent.

When has dorf ever possessed an opponent while in combat who is conscious ? If you ignore the context surrounding his feat why argue it. It's silly.

Bfring is beating him. They didn't kill him but bfring or koing is beating someone. He can break it with his power when no one is actively trying to defeat him with it. Of course he can break an inanimate object with no one wielding it. Laughs hard.

Lesser attacks have nearly killed him and have killed him by fewer forces. It's relevant.

Dorf did it once against an unsuspecting sage. That's it prove he can disintegrate a ready opponent.

Link touched him and lived. Did Midna get disintegrated with one touch ?

So, what stops Ganon from ripping Archdemon's head off?

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was harmed both times he was impaled he tried to resist both effects and succeeded once and failed the other time.
Yeah, but the first time he didn't even have the Triforce of Power yet, but once he gets it the attack is completley ineffective. The second time was the Master Sword which is his greatest weakness like kryptonite to Superman, or if you prefer the NYPD to Thanos.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So, what stops Ganon from ripping Archdemon's head off?


Nothing at all.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So, what stops Ganon from ripping Archdemon's head off?

His desire for a new pet.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Nothing at all. Y;know, agreeing with you is wierd.Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
His desire for a new pet. this made me lulz. Wher'es Quanchi. I damnde he try to rebut this.

Originally posted by quanchi112
To do anything to an opponent who has a considerable weight advantage he needs the boots. Nothing anywhere close to a strength feat is done without the boots so he needs them but it comes at a cost as he loses his mobility. I'd love to see him battle anyone with these things on. It'd be so amusing.


No, he doesn't. Link does not need to put on the boots just so he can put his massive strength behind a sword strike. The only time Link would need the boots is if something much heavier than him tried to push him backwards.



Quanchi, you realize you just said that at least four monsters taller than a house are smaller than Link? Even if you meant they were smaller than the Archdemon it would still be false, as the Archdemon is not taller a house. The presentation doesn't matter where sheer size is concerned.



That is just illogical. All the Archdemon did was cause a large light show as it possessed the Grey Warden and thus killed itself. It never actually hurt anything, either. Whereas Ganondorf caused much more destrution when he exploded a castle, and he did it while alive.



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3:04, as I've shown you before, is Ganondorf laughing as he removes the blade, which fails to cut him. After he got the Triforce, the sword stopped cutting him.



Ganondorf was hurt by the sword because he did not have the Triforce at the time. After he got it, the Sages could not damage him and had to resort to sending him away.



I said Twili ruler, not king. Gender is irrelevant, as is power. Only the true Twili ruler could shatter the Mirror, and no one else could do that, regardless of how strong they are.



And I assume you think the Dragon Age party had no help? Regardless, Link fights quite powerful opponents and the organized military of the Bulblins as well as suffering from Shadow ambushes. He has wiped out a village and a Bulblin camp, as well as invaded the Palace of Twilight itself. He also invaded Hyrule Castle under Ganondorf's control, with its organized gaurds. It's a testament to how Link improves over the game that he can do that, and if you can't see it you're not getting how the Zelda series works.



Why does that matter? It's still the same amount of weight and Link weilded it far more effectively, and showed much more strength with it, as BloodRain so kindly pointed out. And again, Link wasn't slower.
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Compared to Link, that boss is pathetic.



What you believe means absolutely nothing to the facts. And the fact remains that Ganondorf disintegrated a guy and the Archdemon has defense for this. And unless you can show me the Archdemon doing something that requires strength, Ganondorf's feats of breaking the chains and swordlocking with Link will always win.



The part where the Grey Warden slits its neck, thus dropping it instantly. And the Archdemon is one opponent, Quanchi, not that it makes a difference when Ganondorf has castle destroying power.



Because the Phantoms are incorporeal and still capable of attacking. The Archdemon can't call anyone that is not already in the thread unless he has the power to create darkspawn from thin air. And the Archdemon does have the ability to create darkspawn from thin air.



No, I just want you to understand that there are no darkspawn in the thread unless they can be created. Since they can't, and the OP does not give the Archdemon allies, there are no darkspawn in this thread. Do you think there are darkspawn in this thread?



Fail. I have told you, shown you, and explained to you multiple times that the Sages peirced Ganondorf BEFORE HE GOT THE TRIFORCE. After he got it, they could not harm him. If you do not understand how that works, please just tell me the part that confuses you and I will do my best to clarify it for you. And please stop ignoring the fact that Link is repeatedly portrayed as strong.
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How about 0:10, wherein Link lifts the giant chandlier without the boots? Or 0:44, where Link moves the walls, also without boots?



Except for the part where both Zant and Ganondorf have demonstrated TK superior to Midna's bridge lift, which could simply crush the Archdemon into powder.



No, since we've never seen anyone demonstrate the ability to combine attacks, and we've seen that Midna's maximum power is nowhere near castle busting, the only one that could have done it is Ganondorf. Even if it was combined, Midna's maximum could hardly do anything so Ganondorf's attack had to do nearly all of it.



I proved Link is superior to the boss in every way. Just using one arm doesn't make the boss stronger, since the things Link does are several times greater than anything the boss could do, even if it did use both arms.



So you admit to just wasting everyone's time. Opinions mean less than nothing in a debate. Debates are about facts and evidence, and you have repeatedly demonstrated that you refuse to associate with either.



You claim claimss without any evidence, which is much more annoying.



I do not have an opinion, or a belief. I have a conclusion that is supported by the evidence and proof that I post. In the video, you can clearly see that the Triforce has stopped glowing after he breaks the first chain and shows his hand to the Sages. Then, later, Ganondorf demonstrates that the Triforce does not glow every time he uses his power, such as when he possessed Zelda or transformed into Beast Ganon.
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Then at 0:06, look at Ganondorf's hand. He has the Master Sword in his chest but the Triforce is not glowing. At 0:25 it starts glowing, but then it fades and Ganondorf is still up. That's because the Master Sword prevented the Triforce from working, but you can't seem to accept that. All of this supports my conclusion, and not your opinion.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Zant needed an army to invade hyrule. He never solo'd anything. Those enemies pale in comparison, lack numbers, are less organized, and not as powerful so really I feel sorry as you have no clue.


Zant pulled a country into Twilight, effectively soloing Hyrule. He'd do the same to Dragon Age, but that's an argument for another time. And what are you talking about? I named more creatures than you did, and several of them were part of an organized military or gaurd. They're also quite powerful.



I do have a feel for them, though. I've watched gameplay videos, and I can get a feel from that. The Archdemon just does not strike me as powerful comppared to most things I've seen.



Ganondorf killed Midna while the Archdemon killed nameless weaklings. Do you know what a flashback is?



And I've explained to you why this is, but you keep ignoring it. Is it because you don't understand? I'd really like to help you understand, so if you could let me know what part abut Ganondorf not having his powers in a flashback or the Master Sword canceling his powers you are confused about, and I'll explain it to you in terms you can understand.



Except if you watch the video, you see the Archdemon failing to shake Riordan off, and you see Riordan's sword fall out of the Archdemon on its own while Riordan is holding it. So even though the Archdemon tried, his failure was unrelated to Riordan's fall. Riordan fell because his sword fell, not because the Archdemon was trying to throw him off.



Link has great experience taking on multiple opponents in great numbers, and he starts the game with quite a bit of sword training. He defeats forces despite the fact that they are powerful, skilled, and organized. He's taken on rushes of things stronger than darkspawn.



Yes, he can. Ganondorf displays great physical resistance when the Sage's sword fails to harm him, as well as when the castle exploded. And he shows great spiritual resistance when he touches the Fused Shadows without harm, as well as defeating Midna's power.



Ganondorf loses to an opponent with great skill and experience, in addition to being physically very powerful and weilding a weapon that cancels Ganondorf's powers.



Ganondorf holding her helmet is proof. The Light Spirits reviving her is proof. You can accept it or get out.



I would agree that Ganondorf can be beaten by a superior power. But you have not proven that the Archdemon is superior at all. Ganondorf has shown resistance to spiritual attacks like the Archdemon's fire when he holds the Fused Shadows and defeats Midna. His resistance to swords also translates to claws and teeth, as well as his resistance to exploding castles.



You think Link is less powerful than the Sages? That's just ridiculous. Ganondorf, after gaining the Triforce, was able to resist blades, as I have repeatedly proven. He was beaten by the Master Sword because the Master Sword cancels his powers, as I have also repeatedly proven. Why do you ignore everything I say?



Zant. You have seen the personality change Zant undergoes? That's Ganondorf. Thus, Ganondorf possesses the Archdemon, thus killing it instantly.



You're just being intentionally dense. If the Archdemon can't BFR, why does this even matter? If the Mirror can't even hurt Ganondorf, and Ganondorf got stronger and became immune, why does the past matter? If you have not proven that Ganondorf can't break the Mirror when it's being used, how about you prove it?



Yes, lesser attacks and forces have killed the Archdemon, but why does that matter to Ganondorf? Since you don't seem to understand what a flashback is, I will explain it: A flashback is a scene that happened in the past, and often shows how characters have changed. Do you not see that Ganondorf has changed, so that the Sages and Mirror can't beat him anymore, because that was the past, and that this argument is entirely worthless? Ganondorf got stronger, and until you accept this fact, you are just wasting my time.



Midna.



When did Ganondorf grab Link like that? And yes, Midna was destroyed when Ganondorf killed her and blew up the castle.

You know, what I find funny is how he wanks the Archdemon, when there are more impressive feats in the games from other beings. Pride Demons in particular.

Originally posted by The Scenario
No, he doesn't. Link does not need to put on the boots just so he can put his massive strength behind a sword strike. The only time Link would need the boots is if something much heavier than him tried to push him backwards.



Quanchi, you realize you just said that at least four monsters taller than a house are smaller than Link? Even if you meant they were smaller than the Archdemon it would still be false, as the Archdemon is not taller a house. The presentation doesn't matter where sheer size is concerned.





Ganondorf was hurt by the sword because he did not have the Triforce at the time. After he got it, the Sages could not damage him and had to resort to sending him away.



I said Twili ruler, not king. Gender is irrelevant, as is power. Only the true Twili ruler could shatter the Mirror, and no one else could do that, regardless of how strong they are.



And I assume you think the Dragon Age party had no help? Regardless, Link fights quite powerful opponents and the organized military of the Bulblins as well as suffering from Shadow ambushes. He has wiped out a village and a Bulblin camp, as well as invaded the Palace of Twilight itself. He also invaded Hyrule Castle under Ganondorf's control, with its organized gaurds. It's a testament to how Link improves over the game that he can do that, and if you can't see it you're not getting how the Zelda series works.



Why does that matter? It's still the same amount of weight and Link weilded it far more effectively, and showed much more strength with it, as BloodRain so kindly pointed out. And again, Link wasn't slower.
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Compared to Link, that boss is pathetic.



What you believe means absolutely nothing to the facts. And the fact remains that Ganondorf disintegrated a guy and the Archdemon has defense for this. And unless you can show me the Archdemon doing something that requires strength, Ganondorf's feats of breaking the chains and swordlocking with Link will always win.



The part where the Grey Warden slits its neck, thus dropping it instantly. And the Archdemon is one opponent, Quanchi, not that it makes a difference when Ganondorf has castle destroying power.



Because the Phantoms are incorporeal and still capable of attacking. The Archdemon can't call anyone that is not already in the thread unless he has the power to create darkspawn from thin air. And the Archdemon does have the ability to create darkspawn from thin air.



No, I just want you to understand that there are no darkspawn in the thread unless they can be created. Since they can't, and the OP does not give the Archdemon allies, there are no darkspawn in this thread. Do you think there are darkspawn in this thread?



Fail. I have told you, shown you, and explained to you multiple times that the Sages peirced Ganondorf BEFORE HE GOT THE TRIFORCE. After he got it, they could not harm him. If you do not understand how that works, please just tell me the part that confuses you and I will do my best to clarify it for you. And please stop ignoring the fact that Link is repeatedly portrayed as strong.
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How about 0:10, wherein Link lifts the giant chandlier without the boots? Or 0:44, where Link moves the walls, also without boots?



Except for the part where both Zant and Ganondorf have demonstrated TK superior to Midna's bridge lift, which could simply crush the Archdemon into powder.



No, since we've never seen anyone demonstrate the ability to combine attacks, and we've seen that Midna's maximum power is nowhere near castle busting, the only one that could have done it is Ganondorf. Even if it was combined, Midna's maximum could hardly do anything so Ganondorf's attack had to do nearly all of it.



I proved Link is superior to the boss in every way. Just using one arm doesn't make the boss stronger, since the things Link does are several times greater than anything the boss could do, even if it did use both arms.



So you admit to just wasting everyone's time. Opinions mean less than nothing in a debate. Debates are about facts and evidence, and you have repeatedly demonstrated that you refuse to associate with either.



You claim claimss without any evidence, which is much more annoying.



I do not have an opinion, or a belief. I have a conclusion that is supported by the evidence and proof that I post. In the video, you can clearly see that the Triforce has stopped glowing after he breaks the first chain and shows his hand to the Sages. Then, later, Ganondorf demonstrates that the Triforce does not glow every time he uses his power, such as when he possessed Zelda or transformed into Beast Ganon.
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Then at 0:06, look at Ganondorf's hand. He has the Master Sword in his chest but the Triforce is not glowing. At 0:25 it starts glowing, but then it fades and Ganondorf is still up. That's because the Master Sword prevented the Triforce from working, but you can't seem to accept that. All of this supports my conclusion, and not your opinion. The Archdemon is much heavier than Link. Anyone who outweighs him Link can't contend with without his boots proving he lacks the strength on his own and needs added weight to even the odds.

I meant Archdemon. They are smaller than he is. Size also doesn't always denote who's more powerful anyways.

No, it blew back and wrecked the entire top of FT. Drakon whereas Dorf just did well nothing but died...peacefully and pitiful. Dorf never blew up a castle on his own that's just your speculation. We never ever see him cause anywhere near that level of damage, ever.


His power resists the damage only when actively doing so and we see him try against after another sword damages him. Never do we see swords bounce off of his skin afterwards because that's ridiculous and makes no sense to what we actually see in the game.


Dorf's power resisted the injuries. They got rid of him as he had access to the triforce of power and they easily defeated him despite him having access to the triforce of power.

You agreed Midna is more powerful despite his possession of the triforce of power which also further diminishes it's power in the game due to Midna showing it up in this regard. Even in it's own game it fails to impress.

Link never ever fights an organized army. Not once does he take on anything even close to an army nor do we see anything resemble the forces at ostagar or the end of the game assembled. It's not even close. Hyrule is a joke when it comes to organization and armies. Their soldiers quiver in fear and aren't respectable in any stretch of the word.


If you can't agree using one arm as opposed to two makes a huge difference then I can't expect you to say anything sane or rational. You just argue for zelda despite how ridiculous it gets.

Dorf did so against one opponent who was unprepared who lacks the power and feats of the archdemon. You really can't even prove dorf can disintegrate anyone save a sage. That's it who was also unprepared.

We see the archdemon rip bodies apart and kill them in his mouth. I mean did you see the video, see the sheer size of the beast, or the damage he did to the army on the roof ? Dorf can't even beat 7 guys, 2 foes, or just Link when he gets him alone.





Dorf has never ever destroyed a castle. It happened off video while fighting someone else coupled with his power has never shown anywhere near this it's easy to see it was their combined efforts. He doesn't come close to destroying a castle while fighting Link or outside either. You can keep restating it and I will keep destroying this laughable claim.

The grey warden does so after a lengthy battle after others have weakened it as well which won't be happening here against Dorf. Dorf just beats crushed by one guy.

Dorf gets eaten and he can take damage from his phantoms all day while he kills the real deal.

He doesn't need darkspawn I am amused at you being a hypocrite though and fighting tooth and nail for every plot device to be allowed for dorf and arguing against everything counting for his opponent.

I have already trashed this as it just resisted the effects and he was still pierced the next time in battle against a sword and failed to resist the effects. Nowhere does a sword bounce off of him. I win.

These feats aren't massive strength feats by any means. Laughs. Link isn't in this thread.

I am tired of hearing of Link's ILLUSORY STRENGTH.


Midna needed time to move the bride she never did anything like this in combat and we never saw Zant or dorf do anything to suggest how they could beat the archdemon based on this power.

Nope. Sum your posts up it's the same type stuff a few paragraphs ago about who destroyed the castle. I already debuffed it multiple times.

We don't see the boss use two arms so don't make claims you can't prove and are an affront to common sense. We see Link use two arms and he can barely move while he struggles to wield it further proving he's not strong.

I have backed up my claims and my opinion is backed by the games themselves unlike yours. You just argue against anything and are prozelda.

It's power already negated his injuries. That was his intention and he used it again against Link but it failed him that time.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Zant pulled a country into Twilight, effectively soloing Hyrule. He'd do the same to Dragon Age, but that's an argument for another time. And what are you talking about? I named more creatures than you did, and several of them were part of an organized military or gaurd. They're also quite powerful.



I do have a feel for them, though. I've watched gameplay videos, and I can get a feel from that. The Archdemon just does not strike me as powerful comppared to most things I've seen.



Ganondorf killed Midna while the Archdemon killed nameless weaklings. Do you know what a flashback is?



And I've explained to you why this is, but you keep ignoring it. Is it because you don't understand? I'd really like to help you understand, so if you could let me know what part abut Ganondorf not having his powers in a flashback or the Master Sword canceling his powers you are confused about, and I'll explain it to you in terms you can understand.



Except if you watch the video, you see the Archdemon failing to shake Riordan off, and you see Riordan's sword fall out of the Archdemon on its own while Riordan is holding it. So even though the Archdemon tried, his failure was unrelated to Riordan's fall. Riordan fell because his sword fell, not because the Archdemon was trying to throw him off.



Link has great experience taking on multiple opponents in great numbers, and he starts the game with quite a bit of sword training. He defeats forces despite the fact that they are powerful, skilled, and organized. He's taken on rushes of things stronger than darkspawn.



Yes, he can. Ganondorf displays great physical resistance when the Sage's sword fails to harm him, as well as when the castle exploded. And he shows great spiritual resistance when he touches the Fused Shadows without harm, as well as defeating Midna's power.



Ganondorf loses to an opponent with great skill and experience, in addition to being physically very powerful and weilding a weapon that cancels Ganondorf's powers.



Ganondorf holding her helmet is proof. The Light Spirits reviving her is proof. You can accept it or get out.



I would agree that Ganondorf can be beaten by a superior power. But you have not proven that the Archdemon is superior at all. Ganondorf has shown resistance to spiritual attacks like the Archdemon's fire when he holds the Fused Shadows and defeats Midna. His resistance to swords also translates to claws and teeth, as well as his resistance to exploding castles.



You think Link is less powerful than the Sages? That's just ridiculous. Ganondorf, after gaining the Triforce, was able to resist blades, as I have repeatedly proven. He was beaten by the Master Sword because the Master Sword cancels his powers, as I have also repeatedly proven. Why do you ignore everything I say?



Zant. You have seen the personality change Zant undergoes? That's Ganondorf. Thus, Ganondorf possesses the Archdemon, thus killing it instantly.



You're just being intentionally dense. If the Archdemon can't BFR, why does this even matter? If the Mirror can't even hurt Ganondorf, and Ganondorf got stronger and became immune, why does the past matter? If you have not proven that Ganondorf can't break the Mirror when it's being used, how about you prove it?



Yes, lesser attacks and forces have killed the Archdemon, but why does that matter to Ganondorf? Since you don't seem to understand what a flashback is, I will explain it: A flashback is a scene that happened in the past, and often shows how characters have changed. Do you not see that Ganondorf has changed, so that the Sages and Mirror can't beat him anymore, because that was the past, and that this argument is entirely worthless? Ganondorf got stronger, and until you accept this fact, you are just wasting my time.



Midna.



When did Ganondorf grab Link like that? And yes, Midna was destroyed when Ganondorf killed her and blew up the castle. False, he stormed hyrule's castle with shadow beats and forced Zelda into submitting to him. You take things out of context and we have never seen anything even remotely impressive from hyrule's guards. They seem fearful and incompetent with nothing in terms of actual showings. It's sad I think the templars alone would annihilate hyrule and the defenses in tp which faced zant.

They aren't organized by any means compared to dragon age. You have no idea how many people, creatures, weapons, mages, dogs, etc. we see in the armies in this game. It wouldn't be fair to zelda.

Your pro zelda so 99 percent of the time you will argue no matter what you see I venture to guess.

Midna was never killed whereas Archdemon killed the eldest grey warden. He dies unlike Midna who smiled and won whereas Dorf died and lost.

I have already explained this to you many times. At no point do we ever see a sword bounce off of him. Ever.


His flight caused riordan to swing his sword down his back before he fell. He knew he was going to die so he tried doing as much damage as possible before falling. Arhcdemon won whereas dorf lose to 7 sages and one Link.

At no point does Link face anything close to resembling the forces in dragon age lying in wait. he takes on weaker foes in packs of twos or threes whereas in dragon age droves of enemies assault you from every angle.


No, the sword already cut him he resisted his or it's effects and then took it out. That's what happened and then he still was beaten despite the power he just used.

Midna didn't seem all that powerful to me just those magical hands and that's it.

Dorf loses to someone with not much experience and someone he is a lot more powerful to. Link beats him due to skill not because his sword always destroy's dorf it depends on who wields it. I mean come on now this much is evident his skill beat dorf's ass all over the place.

Holding her helmet is proof he defeated her and then took her helmet. That's it. You don't have any proof just speculation. I am right. The light spirits transform her old form not bring her back to life.

That's a different attack you seem to confuse them or a battle where he triumphs as some sort of immunity to all attacks. He chomps him. He's more powerful and much bigger. If swords can cut him this jaw is going to tear him up.

I don't think Link could beat all 7 sages. Not at once. No way. Dorf failed against both.

When did dorf possess zant ? Zant chose to be his avatar. Dorf didn't possess him against his will and we saw him abandone dorf and let him die.

Archdemon doesn't bfr dorf. I never once said anything so silly. Dorf gets overwhelmed by a much bigger opponent who is more powerful.

Dorf changed but still was impaled only this time he died. So if anything he looks worse by comparison.


Archdemon chews him up and spits him out.

Midna was never disintegrated. Ever.

Nope. Speculation.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So, what stops Ganon from ripping Archdemon's head off? Common sense and the fact he has never ever ripped off much smaller weaker opponents than the archdemon.

Originally posted by ares834
Yeah, but the first time he didn't even have the Triforce of Power yet, but once he gets it the attack is completley ineffective. The second time was the Master Sword which is his greatest weakness like kryptonite to Superman, or if you prefer the NYPD to Thanos. No, actually the second time around he dies despite having the triforce of power. That's not canon to Thanos but dorf losing to link is.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
His desire for a new pet. Dorf is born to lose and this is no different. Originally posted by NemeBro
You know, what I find funny is how he wanks the Archdemon, when there are more impressive feats in the games from other beings. Pride Demons in particular. This is why I can't take you seriously. In the game they make is obvious archdemon >>any other pride, rage, sloth, desire demon, etc. yet you argue against portrayal depending on who has the feats.

New plan: I'm just not going to respond to anything that doesn't involve Ganondorf or the Archdemon. Too much of this is irrelevant and just wasting space.

Now, from the evidence that has been posted, Ganondorf is more durable than the Archdemon, as he has resisted a sword to the heart, tanked an exploding castle, tanked Light Arrows, and had his body completely destroyed before reforming it. The Archdemon, on the other hand, is harmed by normal swords and is killed by a blow to the neck.

Ganondorf is stronger than the Archdemon, shown when he broke his chains, disintegrated a Sage, gave Zant power, destroyed Hyrule castle, and killed Midna. Archdemon killed killed a few soldiers.

That is what the evidence shows.

Ganondorf for the win.

Originally posted by The Scenario
New plan: I'm just not going to respond to anything that doesn't involve Ganondorf or the Archdemon. Too much of this is irrelevant and just wasting space.

Now, from the evidence that has been posted, Ganondorf is more durable than the Archdemon, as he has resisted a sword to the heart, tanked an exploding castle, tanked Light Arrows, and had his body completely destroyed before reforming it. The Archdemon, on the other hand, is harmed by normal swords and is killed by a blow to the neck.

Ganondorf is stronger than the Archdemon, shown when he broke his chains, disintegrated a Sage, gave Zant power, destroyed Hyrule castle, and killed Midna. Archdemon killed killed a few soldiers.

That is what the evidence shows. He isn't more durable at all. He has been pierced and impaled mind you both times someone used a sword against him. If he's more durable give me a feat where a sword bounced off of him. Dorf using the triforce to resist the injuries isn't the same thing as what you are making it out to be.

We never saw where he was or if he was in the castle even when the castle went down. We've also seen far less than a castle downing collateral damage hurt him.

Dorf was harmed by swords as well. Difference is archdemon doesn't have a sword and his jaw strength is much more than someone swinging a sword. We've also seen sages impaled dorf quite easily.

How is he stronger than the archdemon he failed to overpower Link....you just argued in the other thread. You honestly think dorf can over power a huge dragon that just mauls enemies left and right while dorf has only defeated one unprepared sage....that's it.


Your post is littered with speculative points you haven't proven.

The evidence shows dorf would need three party members when taking him on.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Ganondorf for the win. Based on ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on ?

page two to page seven so far.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He isn't more durable at all. He has been pierced and impaled mind you both times someone used a sword against him. If he's more durable give me a feat where a sword bounced off of him. Dorf using the triforce to resist the injuries isn't the same thing as what you are making it out to be.

If he's resisting injuries, that means he's durable. I already gave you a better feat than a sword bouncing off him when a castle exploded on him and he was fine. You also seem to be ignoring Ganondorf's ability to ignore fatal wounds and remake his body if it's destroyed.



Quanchi, it's simple commom sense. You make such as big deal about it, so why won't you use it here? We saw Midna attack Ganondorf, while both were in the castle. We saw the castle explode. We saw Ganondorf standing in front of the destroyed castle with Midna's helmet, and midna just gone. It's obvious Ganondorf destroyed the castle, it's obvious Ganondorf was still in the caste, and it's obvious Ganondorf killed Midna.

It's just common sense, isn't it?



Prove the Archdemon's jaws are stronger/better than a sword. I've already told you everything about that scene, and Ganondorf didn't have durability before he was stabbed. Afterwards, he could tank castles.



You should know by now Link is super strong, and Ganondorf is comparable to him. And, of course, Ganondorf broke those chains it would take super strength to break. Can you prove that the Archdemon is strong?



You have never proven anything you've ever claimed. I have presented evidence, why won't you? Why won't you ever try to prove anything? Asking me to prove things while you won't is just being hypocritical, and it's annoying me.

So please, just prove your points. Post evidence. Give me an example. Anything, as long as you stop this ridiculous unbacked opinion making.



What evidence? Prove. Your. Claim.

Originally posted by Utrigita
page two to page seven so far. I see you avoid the question.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I see you avoid the question.

He means that as soon as the feats were posted, Ganondorf won.

Originally posted by The Scenario
If he's resisting injuries, that means he's durable. I already gave you a better feat than a sword bouncing off him when a castle exploded on him and he was fine. You also seem to be ignoring Ganondorf's ability to ignore fatal wounds and remake his body if it's destroyed.



Quanchi, it's simple commom sense. You make such as big deal about it, so why won't you use it here? We saw Midna attack Ganondorf, while both were in the castle. We saw the castle explode. We saw Ganondorf standing in front of the destroyed castle with Midna's helmet, and midna just gone. It's obvious Ganondorf destroyed the castle, it's obvious Ganondorf was still in the caste, and it's obvious Ganondorf killed Midna.

It's just common sense, isn't it?



Prove the Archdemon's jaws are stronger/better than a sword. I've already told you everything about that scene, and Ganondorf didn't have durability before he was stabbed. Afterwards, he could tank castles.



You should know by now Link is super strong, and Ganondorf is comparable to him. And, of course, Ganondorf broke those chains it would take super strength to break. Can you prove that the Archdemon is strong?



You have never proven anything you've ever claimed. I have presented evidence, why won't you? Why won't you ever try to prove anything? Asking me to prove things while you won't is just being hypocritical, and it's annoying me.

So please, just prove your points. Post evidence. Give me an example. Anything, as long as you stop this ridiculous unbacked opinion making.



What evidence? Prove. Your. Claim. I didn't avoid anything he can only resist the injuries when actively using the triforce. He also used it against Link after the damage had been done proving any sword can damage him still it's just not every sword can keep him down in his own game.

We don't see what exactly happens to Dorf when the castle falls down. We don't see where he's at or anything so it's speculation.

No, it's obvious he defeated her but what attack either used to bring down the castle is an unknown and based on his attacks in the game he hasn't done anything remotely close to castle destroying power ever so it remains an unknown.

So now a giant powerful dragon that can eat human beings isn't stronger or more powerful than a sword. Do you even realize the power behind a canine's jaw let's say a pit bull and then compare it to a giant dragon and you act as if a human with a sword is more powerful. If this was the case the dragon wouldn't be a big deal now would he ?

Dorf was hurt and killed by far less than a castle and saying anything short of a castle destroying attack cannot hurt him is just fanboyish.

Link's never been super strong ever. Dorf only showed an increased strength when using the power triforce not before or after unless tapping into it.

I honestly don't see those chains even doing anything to the archdemon not do I see Link being any threat at all to him yet he was enough to best Dorf as were the sages who again weren't shown to be very powerful by any means yet both times he was defeated.

Like I said the sages and Link being more than enough to crush Dorf under his boot heel.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I didn't avoid anything he can only resist the injuries when actively using the triforce. He also used it against Link after the damage had been done proving any sword can damage him still it's just not every sword can keep him down in his own game.


Here's the thing: Why can't Ganondorf resist any damage the Archdemon may or may not do? Ganondorf has been shown to not only survive with a sword through his heart, but to survive with an entire body. Archdemon lreally has no way to kill him.



BUt we see that he was inside it moments before the castle exploded. Your "Common sense" would say that he should have still been inside. Assuming that he left before the explosion is just making things up.



It likely had to do with the floating head form, since we don't know that one's true power. But, we do know that it could convince Zant that Ganondorf was a god, and the only time he fought in that form, a castle exploded. All Ganondorf has to do is go god form and blow up the Archdemon.



Well without the feats, we don't know how strong that is. I watched a video where the Archdemon bit a guy and failed to crush him. Alligators can crush bone, Archdemon apparently can't. And with Ganondorf's durability and twilight forms, Archdemon will never have the chance.



Show me Ganondorf getting hurt after gaining the Triforce to anything besides the Master Sword which, by the way, is better than an exploding castle. The only thing I can think of is his own magic while in Zelda's body.



Link's always been super strong forever. Ignoring that doesn't make it go away. Ganondorf showed increased strength when he killed the Sage. The Triforce had stopped glowing by that point, too. So can you explain Ganondorf being able to transform without the Triforce glowing? How about reforming a body without it? The Triforce glows whenever it wants, not when Ganondorf is doing things. It's a passive increase.



I don't care what you see, I care what you can prove. If you can't prove it, Archdemon can't break those chains. If you can't prove it, Archdemon can't take Link or the Sages.



Link won with the Master Sword. The Sages sent him away with the Mirror of Twilight. In neither case was Ganondorf "crushed."

Originally posted by The Scenario
Here's the thing: Why can't Ganondorf resist any damage the Archdemon may or may not do? Ganondorf has been shown to not only survive with a sword through his heart, but to survive with an entire body. Archdemon lreally has no way to kill him.



BUt we see that he was inside it moments before the castle exploded. Your "Common sense" would say that he should have still been inside. Assuming that he left before the explosion is just making things up.



It likely had to do with the floating head form, since we don't know that one's true power. But, we do know that it could convince Zant that Ganondorf was a god, and the only time he fought in that form, a castle exploded. All Ganondorf has to do is go god form and blow up the Archdemon.



Well without the feats, we don't know how strong that is. I watched a video where the Archdemon bit a guy and failed to crush him. Alligators can crush bone, Archdemon apparently can't. And with Ganondorf's durability and twilight forms, Archdemon will never have the chance.



Show me Ganondorf getting hurt after gaining the Triforce to anything besides the Master Sword which, by the way, is better than an exploding castle. The only thing I can think of is his own magic while in Zelda's body.



Link's always been super strong forever. Ignoring that doesn't make it go away. Ganondorf showed increased strength when he killed the Sage. The Triforce had stopped glowing by that point, too. So can you explain Ganondorf being able to transform without the Triforce glowing? How about reforming a body without it? The Triforce glows whenever it wants, not when Ganondorf is doing things. It's a passive increase.



I don't care what you see, I care what you can prove. If you can't prove it, Archdemon can't break those chains. If you can't prove it, Archdemon can't take Link or the Sages.



Link won with the Master Sword. The Sages sent him away with the Mirror of Twilight. In neither case was Ganondorf "crushed." He's also died with a sword in his belly so he can't survive anything nor has he shown the ability to do so.

Still in unknown and based on dorf's attacks no way he has this kind of power alone.


He can't even destroy the mirror completely on his own.


Still an unknown and my reasoning shreds it anyways. You haven't a leg to stand on.

We see archdemon crush bone and in the game dorf can hit Link multiple times with his sword and not kill him. I guess he can't break bone either.

Link kills him. Easy. Done.

No, Link has never ever been portrayed throughout the games he needs gear to do really strong things.

Speculation we see him actively do so when he's in trouble. We don't see the power ever close when he isn't actively using it.

You're asking me to prove a negative watch the video where he crushes bodies easily in jaws and look at the sheer size and imagine the strength that a dragon like this would have especially considering it's an old god as well.

So??? Master sword is just treated like any other sword he needs to use skill to beat his opponents still. Swords not even that powerful at all.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He's also died with a sword in his belly so he can't survive anything nor has he shown the ability to do so.


It was the Master Sword. Not just any sword, that one can cancel Ganondorf's abilities. Do you agree?



But Midna has even less. This is a feat for Ganondorf to show what he can do. If he'd done it before I'd be showing you that one.




Do you even understand how the Mirror works?



Your reasoning is flawed. Your nly argument is that Ganondorf hasn't done it before, when the point is that he did it now.



Show me the Archdemon crushing bone. Link is too durable and is comparable in strength to Ganondorf. Also, Ganondorf can disintegrate a guy or did you forget?



Did you forget the four lengthy boss fights? Because those happened.



No, he doesn't. I already showed you Link lifting the chandelier and mving the wall without the boots, so why are you still insisting?



We saw him disintegrate a Sage without it, and match Link without it.



I saw him bite someone. There was no crushing. I'm not asking you to prove a negative, I'm asking you post some strength feats for the Archdemon.



No, it's treated like the only thing that harm Ganondorf and cancel his powers. You're just ignoring that part.

Originally posted by The Scenario
It was the Master Sword. Not just any sword, that one can cancel Ganondorf's abilities. Do you agree?



But Midna has even less. This is a feat for Ganondorf to show what he can do. If he'd done it before I'd be showing you that one.




Do you even understand how the Mirror works?



Your reasoning is flawed. Your nly argument is that Ganondorf hasn't done it before, when the point is that he did it now.



Show me the Archdemon crushing bone. Link is too durable and is comparable in strength to Ganondorf. Also, Ganondorf can disintegrate a guy or did you forget?



Did you forget the four lengthy boss fights? Because those happened.



No, he doesn't. I already showed you Link lifting the chandelier and mving the wall without the boots, so why are you still insisting?



We saw him disintegrate a Sage without it, and match Link without it.



I saw him bite someone. There was no crushing. I'm not asking you to prove a negative, I'm asking you post some strength feats for the Archdemon.



No, it's treated like the only thing that harm Ganondorf and cancel his powers. You're just ignoring that part. I don't agree. He needed skill to hit him with it and that's why he won not because the master sword just wrecked him.

That's why it's the best case suggestion as a combination of their combined attacks which blew up the castle.

I understand Minda destroyed it unlike dorf without the power triforce. That's called weak.

Yes, and the fact he hasn't shown anywhere near the power to do so.

Watch the video as I said I don't post them.

Link can't shurg off any attacks from the lowliest of grunts showing he's not durable at all.

He can take out an unprepared sage. Not the same as the archdemon.

Those aren't super strong feats nor do we ignore the ball and chain and him struggling to coral just a horse which humans can do.

An unprepared sage.

He crushed him in his mouth. Do you feel the guy just shrugged it off ?

Nah, we saw him injured prior to by the sages.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't agree. He needed skill to hit him with it and that's why he won not because the master sword just wrecked him.


Why can't it be both? With Link's skills he could have hit Ganondorf with a normal sword bu it would have done nothing. It's the Master Sword that cancels his defenses and hurts him.



But if Midna's maximum hass been shown to be 1/10 f castle busting poser, that means Ganondorf contributed 9/10 of that power. Still toomuch for the Archdemon.



That's called plot. Did you forget that Ganondorf killed Midna? Only the Twili Ruler could have shattered it, or else someone stronger than the goddesses that put it there. Archdemon couldn't even chip the Mirror.



Neither has Midna. But we've seen what happens when Midna cuts loose and it's not nearly enough. So the rest was all Ganondorf. So he has, in fact, shown the power to do so when he defeated Midna.



If you don't post evidence to back yourself up, you essentially forfiet.



King Bulblin. Sky cannon.



It would have made no difference if the Sage was prepared, and it won't matter when Ganondorf disintegrates the Archdemon.



You mean lifting the chandelier bigger than he was and moving the wall isn't superhuman? And you don't remember Link tossing Blizzeta across the room with the Ball and Chain? The thing with Epona is just more of a weight issue, not strength.



Doesn't matter.



I saw the guy get peirced by teeth and die a terribly painful death. I did not him being crushed.



When?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I see you avoid the question.

I in no way avoided the question you asked me, which was what I based Ganondorf winning against the Archdemon on, I still base that on page 2 to page 7. What I mean by that can in no way be seen as avoiding the question, but actually answering the question you presented to it's fullest

Originally posted by The Scenario
He means that as soon as the feats were posted, Ganondorf won.



pretty much

Originally posted by The Scenario
Why can't it be both? With Link's skills he could have hit Ganondorf with a normal sword bu it would have done nothing. It's the Master Sword that cancels his defenses and hurts him.



But if Midna's maximum hass been shown to be 1/10 f castle busting poser, that means Ganondorf contributed 9/10 of that power. Still toomuch for the Archdemon.



That's called plot. Did you forget that Ganondorf killed Midna? Only the Twili Ruler could have shattered it, or else someone stronger than the goddesses that put it there. Archdemon couldn't even chip the Mirror.



Neither has Midna. But we've seen what happens when Midna cuts loose and it's not nearly enough. So the rest was all Ganondorf. So he has, in fact, shown the power to do so when he defeated Midna.



If you don't post evidence to back yourself up, you essentially forfiet.



King Bulblin. Sky cannon.



It would have made no difference if the Sage was prepared, and it won't matter when Ganondorf disintegrates the Archdemon.



You mean lifting the chandelier bigger than he was and moving the wall isn't superhuman? And you don't remember Link tossing Blizzeta across the room with the Ball and Chain? The thing with Epona is just more of a weight issue, not strength.



Doesn't matter.



I saw the guy get peirced by teeth and die a terribly painful death. I did not him being crushed.



When? No, both swords pierced him and then did dorf need to call on the triforce.

Nope. Her feats are more impressive than dorf's as she can destroy the mirror but he cannot and she moved a bridge. Give me some feats from him alone which show more power than this ?

I think the archdemon is too powerful for anyone in the zelda universe and he'd annihilate the mirror. The power triforce is a polt device so what's your point ? I guess the triforce of power has embarrassing limits in it's own universe.

Speculation.

Nope, you can argue all you want you're unaware as you haven't played the game.

He shrugged off one blunt force attack. Do you realize the difference ? Now if you fight him and let him hit you does it do damage ? Look who is right once again.

The cannon isn't meant to kill anyone nor does it so you can't say survive this makes him super durable when piranha plants can kill him.

I disagree. A prepared opponent vs. an unprepared opponent. With your logic you claim a punch has the same effect regardless of it being a sucker punch or not. I am right again.

Weight goes hand in hand with strength and it's just a horse so if he is super strong it wouldn't have been an issue.

Just like irl a sucker punch====regular punch you see coming. Great logic.

So his jaws didn't crush him. What ? You do realize that's exactly what happened his body was crushed which resulted in his death.

By the sword.

Originally posted by Utrigita
I in no way avoided the question you asked me, which was what I based Ganondorf winning against the Archdemon on, I still base that on page 2 to page 7. What I mean by that can in no way be seen as avoiding the question, but actually answering the question you presented to it's fullest





pretty much Concession accepted.

Which feats ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, both swords pierced him and then did dorf need to call on the triforce.


Ignoring context.



He freaking killed her.



Prove it.



You're ignoring facts right now.



Concession accepted.



Gameplay mechanics.



BIRDS. Piranha plants are in Mario, not Zelda.



A punch is a punch.



Physics fail.



Sucker punch is just harder to dodge. Deals no more damage unless it hits a vital area.



Teeth killed him, not crushing.



Nope.