Classic Kaine and Venom (Brock) vs. Wolverine and Sabretooth

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Lunacyde
Kaine (Classic)
Venom (Brock)

vs.

Wolverine
Sabretooth

Standard Forum Rules.

Situation A. No Adamantium for Wolverine and Sabertooth
Situation B. Adamantium for Wolverine and Sabertooth

Johnny Sorrow
Classic Kaine could solo.

Lunacyde
Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Classic Kaine could solo.

Even with Adamantium?

King Castle
Kaine the brick spiderman brick clone who has seizures and visions in mid battle?

he gets killed the second he doses off and the burning touch wouldnt slow down sabe or logan, he just lose an arm.

now you got venom solo and test the syms ability to regenerate. it loses

Lunacyde
Looks like we have a difference of opinion.....

Lunacyde
Originally posted by King Castle
Kaine the brick spiderman brick clone who has seizures and visions in mid battle?

he gets killed the second he doses off and the burning touch wouldnt slow down sabe or logan, he just lose an arm.

now you got venom solo and test the syms ability to regenerate. it loses

So let me get this straight...your argument is he will have a seizure mid-fight and get gutted or get his arm taken off attempting to use his "Mark of Kaine"?

Johnny Sorrow
Originally posted by Lunacyde
Even with Adamantium?

Yes. He was essentially Spider-Man++.

King Castle
Kaine's fighting style wouldnt benefit him against these guys he was more of a brick brawler.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/11352/1174044-spider_man609003.jpg

Kaine was only really Superior in strength and tanking which is why he could out muscle spidey.

Prep-Man
Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Classic Kaine could solo.

Lunacyde
Originally posted by King Castle
Kaine's fighting style wouldnt benefit him against these guys he was more of a brick brawler.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/11352/1174044-spider_man609003.jpg

Kaine was only really Superior in strength and tanking which is why he could out muscle spidey.

#1. I stipulated classic Kaine
#2. He's still faster and more agile than either of his opponents.
#3. This scan literally proves nothing, was there a point to posting it?

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by Lunacyde

#2. He's still faster and more agile than either of his opponents.

No he not, there no evidence to support this.

King Castle
Originally posted by Lunacyde

#2. He's still faster and more agile than either of his opponents.
that is not a fact do not present it as such. it is just your opinion unless you like to clarify and show evidence of his speed being superior with history or panel evidence.

Lunacyde
Speed blitzes Spider-Man.

King Castle
3 hits and a grab is your evidence to claim he is by far superior to the team? erm

by the way that isnt a speed blitz, or a lot of ppl have done it to the spider.drylaugh

also note those punches wouldnt phase either of them.

Lunacyde
Originally posted by King Castle
3 hits and a grab is your evidence to claim he is by far superior to the team? erm

by the way that isnt a speed blitz, or a lot of ppl have done it to the spider.drylaugh

also note those punches wouldnt face either of them.

Never said far superior, just said faster.

It shows him hitting him 5 times in succession without Spidey being able to react at all, that's a speed blitz. If you have scans of Wolverine or Sabretooth doing the same then by all means present them, if not then concede.

I'm not sure what you're saying. I'd assume you mean faze. You're sure 25 ton strength punches won't even faze Wolvie and Sabes? I realize they've tanked stronger, but not even faze them? Not even knock them down?

Johnny Sorrow
Originally posted by Lunacyde
Never said far superior, just said faster.

It shows him hitting him 5 times in succession without Spidey being able to react at all, that's a speed blitz. If you have scans of Wolverine or Sabretooth doing the same then by all means present them, if not then concede.

I'm not sure what you're saying. I'd assume you mean faze. You're sure 25 ton strength punches won't even faze Wolvie and Sabes? I realize they've tanked stronger, but not even faze them? Not even knock them down?

Spider-Man has taken it to Wolverine before. No reason why an enhanced version with a better Spider-Sense and lacking his morals can't.

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Spider-Man has taken it to Wolverine before. No reason why an enhanced version with a better Spider-Sense and lacking his morals can't.
what do you mean by take it to wolverine? He never come closes to KO wolverine ever.

King Castle
Kaine only has strength and endurance over the spider he doesnt use agility nor webs or have spidey sense which gives the spider a better chance against many other heroes.

what's kaine going to do punch and grab slam, that isnt enough to put the team down and puts them in close to the claws.
also spidey hasnt won a single fight against logan one on one.
but, go ahead reference the secret war one.

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9273/mpc3gh8.jpg
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/1567/mcfarlaneyp6.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5455/fallensonspidey2hf2.jpg
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/4098/fallensonspidey3kf8.jpg
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/235/781531114956336ob2.jpg

sabe
http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/stalkslogan.jpg
http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/wasteswolverine3.jpg

Lunacyde
Originally posted by King Castle
Kaine only has strength and endurance over the spider he doesnt use agility nor webs or have spidey sense which gives the spider a better chance against many other heroes.

what's kaine going to do punch and grab slam, that isnt enough to put the team down and puts them in close to the claws.
also spidey hasnt won a single fight against logan one on one.
but, go ahead reference the secret war one.

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9273/mpc3gh8.jpg
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/1567/mcfarlaneyp6.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5455/fallensonspidey2hf2.jpg
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/4098/fallensonspidey3kf8.jpg
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/235/781531114956336ob2.jpg

sabe
http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/stalkslogan.jpg
http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/wasteswolverine3.jpg

#1. You didn't post a single scan that matters to this battle.
I see one that looks like fan art, and all he does is land a single kick on Spidey. One that doesn't show the situation just that Wolverine had him by the throat. Another two that show Spidey socking Wolverine and Wolverine tackling him. The we see one where Pete basically says he is faster than Wolverine and proves it by dodging him. Then we have scans of your one fighter fighting the other.
#2. His Spider-sense is more evolved giving him precog.
#3. His Sting of Kaine and Corrosive Touch will do damage.

King Castle
damage that they would ignore and keep fighting.... they arent whiny parker they dont go into shock in battle nor fear.

kaines spider sense which gives him precog isnt useful in battle since it gives him vision of the probable future not forewarning to an attack.. and advantage spidey has that gain does not have in battle.

those scans are canon, this aint some other site where the fanart cry is the end all of argument.

those scans are to show how fast logan can counter even when struck same as how kaine ignored spider's punch to grab spidey. to similar lvl of speed difference is kaine grabs, logan pops the claws in his face to intimate not to kill him.

what scan's of kaine to you have? lets see them.

this is why kaine would lose an arm.

http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID24504/images/kaine_amazing_spiderman_608.jpg

Lunacyde
Originally posted by King Castle
damage that they would ignore and keep fighting.... they arent whiny parker they dont go into shock in battle nor fear.

kaines spider sense which gives him precog isnt useful in battle since it gives him vision of the probable future not forewarning to an attack.. and advantage spidey has that gain does not have in battle.

those scans are canon, this aint some other site where the fanart cry is the end all of argument.

those scans are to show how fast logan can counter even when struck same as how kaine ignored spider's punch to grab spidey. to similar lvl of speed difference is kaine grabs, logan pops the claws in his face to intimate not to kill him.

what scan's of kaine to you have? lets see them.

this is why kaine would lose an arm.

http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID24504/images/kaine_amazing_spiderman_608.jpg

I said it "looked" like fan art. It really doesn't matter because the scan did nothing to further your claims.

Those scans are nothing we haven't seen a million times. Kaine hit him 5 times before he could react....Wolverine basically just tackled him. There is a difference in the speed needed to pull of those 2 different maneuvers.

Wolverine popping the claws in his face means nothing though. We don't see how Wolverine got his hand around his neck in the first place, for all we know it was just a tight place thy were fighting and Spidey couldn't evade.

In this scan he moves what looks like 30 feet faster than the guy can pull the trigger to shield her from the bullet.

Lunacyde
This is why Kaine wouldn't lose an arm...

Lunacyde
This is why Kaine wouldn't lose an arm...

King Castle
b/c he saved mary jane when spidey was too far away?

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w81/jasonk3_2007/AmazingSpider-Man555016.jpg

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w81/jasonk3_2007/AmazingSpider-Man555020.jpg

logan's claws arent a 9 mil bullet he stabs he is putting Kaine down with a lung heart stab deep penetration.

even if the scans are old doesnt negate its history between those two.

my understanding is this is upgraded spidey with similar if not superior phsyical stats to kaine.

cool

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/29885/677780-mksm1323jf0_super.jpg

Lunacyde
Originally posted by King Castle
b/c he saved mary jane when spidey was too far away?

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w81/jasonk3_2007/AmazingSpider-Man555016.jpg

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w81/jasonk3_2007/AmazingSpider-Man555020.jpg

logan's claws are a 9 mil bullet he stabs he is putting Kaine down with a lung heart stab deep penetration.

even if the scans are old doesnt negate its history between those two.

my understanding is this is upgraded spidey with similar if not superior phsyical stats to kaine.

cool

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/29885/677780-mksm1323jf0_super.jpg

What are those first scans supposed to prove?

King Castle
Originally posted by Lunacyde
This is why Kaine wouldn't lose an arm... here is why he will lose an arm and get killed if he tried that on these two.

http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/strongerthananelephant.jpg

http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/maverick_v1_007_02_03_rougher.jpg
http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/maverick_v1_007_04_rougher.jpg
http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/maverick_v1_007_05_rougher.jpg
http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/maverick_v1_007_09_rougher.jpg

http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/maverick_v1_007_02_03_rougher.jpg
http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/maverick_v1_007_02_03_rougher.jpg

Sabe didnt go down and kept on coming that was pre upgraded weapon X sabretooth he gets even more impressive i am sure i made my point. cool

Wolverine:
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/2288/vampbrute5fy7.jpg
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/5224/takinglightningqk8.jpg
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/3152/wolverineonfireit7.jpg

it gets more impressive as we go on with his pain tolerance and ignoring it to succeed i am sure i dont have to get to the high end since it clearly shows that kaines touch will just end up being ignored enough to slice off the arm when he tries to pull it off.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Durability/UncannyX-Men42415Durability.jpg

Lunacyde
This is what Wolverine is going to look like after fighting Kaine.

King Castle
odd that it didnt happen to carnage or any of the sinister six rogues he went after.


will Kaine tax out the healing factor and fight logan for hours to weaken him to that point like in the manifest destiny storyline?

logan will treat kaine like he does most of spidey's villians as a nosense. like lizard, electro, puma etc etc..

Lunacyde
Had Ben Reilly not interfered Kaine would have killed the Sinister Seven, just like numerous others he's killed, he even nearly killed Rhino.

King Castle
Rhino is not much of a feat for anyone...

plus the one i recall is Ock getting his neck snapped, i think it was kaine.

classic Ock gets his Tentacles cut and killed by logan.

what else you got?

King Kandy
Spider-Man gives Wolverine a hard time, 3x Spider-Man can't fail.

King Castle
again spidey has webs, agility, precog and experience..

since when is Kaine 3x the spider.. plus Logan tagged upgraded other spiderman who is easily equal if not outright superior to kaine smokin'

carver9
Wolverine and Sabertooth win this and Kaine isnt soloing this team.

King Castle
plus current wolverine is a vampire or demon possessed either way he is more trouble then b4 possibly even overkill..

durverine

carver9
Originally posted by King Castle
plus current wolverine is a vampire or demon possessed either way he is more trouble then b4 possibly even overkill..

durverine

Im not referring to that Wolvy... Wolverine alone would annihilate Kaine IF we go by feats. If we "ignore" Wolvy feats then Kaine wins.

I think their speed is about even and Kaine strength is superior (and I do believe that Wolvy would feel Kaine punches) and the only edge that Kaine really have IS his strength which just isnt enough.

A few claw stabs should end the fight with Kaine. Spidey villian just isnt good to put against people like Wolvy, they cant take to many claw stabs, especially against a killer like Wolverine.

Wolverine took out at least 300 super humans in one comic during the time shield release him of his mind control from the hands of the "hand" clan. What is Kaine suppose to do... he will be cannon fodder and would get decapitated as soon as the fight start.

Wolverine and Sabes 8/10. Venom needs a better partner.

King Kandy
Originally posted by carver9
Wolverine took out at least 300 super humans in one comic during the time shield release him of his mind control from the hands of the "hand" clan. What is Kaine suppose to do... he will be cannon fodder and would get decapitated as soon as the fight start.
Kaine took on hundreds of spider-man clones... so how is that not a comparable feat?

Lunacyde
Originally posted by King Castle
Rhino is not much of a feat for anyone...

plus the one i recall is Ock getting his neck snapped, i think it was kaine.

classic Ock gets his Tentacles cut and killed by logan.

what else you got?

Rhino isn't a feat to beat because he's so dumb, but absolutely destroying him in a slug out match is a feat considering his considerable strength and durability.

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