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This guy is probably a descendant of Chuck Norris

Dude's a tool.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
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This guy is probably a descendant of Chuck Norris

Why?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Why?
I'd like to see you try to do that.

funny stunt...

didn't see the rest of it, did he manage to make a better point than "dragons"?

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
I'd like to see you try to do that.

smoke weed in a place where there are no cops and you are surrounded by people who are supporting your act?

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
I'd like to see you try to do that.

Generate mild controversy?

i have only seen this person on the show tru calling and wasn't really impressed

I LOVE Bill Maher. Galifinakis I don't care about, but I love that he did it.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
i have only seen this person on the show tru calling and wasn't really impressed You never saw the Hangover?

Galifinakis is one of the most unique and funniest stand up comediens who currently perform.

Bill Maher himself smoked in "Religulous", so Zach knew he'd be welcome.

Mahr's been an advocate of legalization and candidly admimitted to his use since back in the "Politically Incorrect" days, so ya, I totally agree, very low risk.

Zero risk, if authorities were to try and press charges against, him, Mahr or the studio, they need only say "it was tabacco; was just a comedic stunt".

What's the legal standing of doing that? Like can the cops do anything about it since it's on national television? (I recall that Kavorkian was arrested for comments made during an interview)

you can't be charged for use of drugs in videos anyways, the charge is specifically for possession

there is nothing illegal about admitting to authorities that you are a major heroin dealer, so long as you don't have any (it would give them probable cause to tap your phones and follow you though)

EDIT: at least in Canada

EDIT2: again from a canadian perspective (I don't know if there are smoking bans in California yet) but, he would be more at risk for a fine from smoking indoors than from possession charges, though, cops would have clear legal grounds to search him pretty much any time they wanted.

Originally posted by inimalist
you can't be charged for use of drugs in videos anyways, the charge is specifically for possession

there is nothing illegal about admitting to authorities that you are a major heroin dealer, so long as you don't have any (it would give them probable cause to tap your phones and follow you though)

Huh, that seems like an oddly specific law.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Huh, that seems like an oddly specific law.

the 675th thing stupid about drug laws

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
What's the legal standing of doing that? Like can the cops do anything about it since it's on national television? (I recall that Kavorkian was arrested for comments made during an interview)

Yeah, but that's Jack Kevorkian. That poor guy has been beaten upon beaten up on.

Originally posted by inimalist
the 675th thing stupid about drug laws

We're only to 675? When we reach 1000, can we finally get Californians to legalize pot? Dumbasses.

Originally posted by skekUng
We're only to 675? When we reach 1000, can we finally get Californians to legalize pot? Dumbasses.

or, you could vote yes on prop 19

Originally posted by inimalist
or, you could vote yes on prop 19

I think it did not pass.

Prop 19 did not pass.


And it was almost a 50-50 split

WTF AMERICA?!?!?!?!!?!?!?! I'm tired of all this ignorance. I think it's time I moved to another country....

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I think it did not pass.

no, it did not

Originally posted by dadudemon
WTF AMERICA?!?!?!?!!?!?!?! I'm tired of all this ignorance. I think it's time I moved to another country....

the problem is, no other country is going to pass it until America shows some difference in attitude to the war on drugs, thats why this was so important....

for years canada has had over 60% approval of pot legalization, and continuous challanges in our supreme court. It is no exaggeration to say it is only American infulence that keeps pot illegal here.

Originally posted by inimalist
the problem is, no other country is going to pass it until America shows some difference in attitude to the war on drugs, thats why this was so important....

for years canada has had over 60% approval of pot legalization, and continuous challanges in our supreme court. It is no exaggeration to say it is only American infulence that keeps pot illegal here.
It is already legal (or de facto legal) in some countries.

the hell's angels still grow all the pot in Amsterdam

Not really... I knew some growers myself there who were doing just fine, independently.

the so named "king of cannibis" would disagree with you

I don't deny there are independant growers, like those you would find in BC, Canada or California, but a huge portion of the trade is still controlled by international criminal syndicates. There have been escalations in gang violence in the Netherlands recently, too, dealing with the growing immagrent community and the bikers.

Even then, the laws on the books make any real scale grow operation illegal.

I'm not saying it isn't better in other countries, its just half-measures everywhere. In practice, there are few places even in Winnipeg (or souther ontario where I used to live) where I would legitimatly be worried about smoking in public, I'm sure this is the same as any major American city too.

Oh, I don't doubt... the netherlands thought they could have the best of both worlds and "half-legalize" it, that only causes more problems. But those problems, are not the same as what exists in the US.

Originally posted by Robtard
Zero risk, if authorities were to try and press charges against, him, Mahr or the studio, they need only say "it was tabacco; was just a comedic stunt".

is that why you think he's a tool?

Originally posted by King Kandy
Oh, I don't doubt... the netherlands thought they could have the best of both worlds and "half-legalize" it, that only causes more problems. But those problems, are not the same as what exists in the US.

for sure

the recent stuff in the UK is good, and I can see Europe moving away from this "War on Drugs" thing quicker than Canada.

I know its somewhat apples and oranges, but look at the needle and heroin addiction programs in Switzerland, and compare that to Vancouver, where the RCMP (Canadian federal police) took out adds to basically slander a similar program when it was first implemented. afaik, there are places in America where you can get arrested for giving addicts free needles, but again, heroin isn't pot... I do see some connections though

So what's up with these Ontario court rulings I hear about that legalize pot in Canada?

I personally thought that the prop 19 law was very well designed. I don't live in Cali, but if I did, it would have been satisfactory.

I live in oregon where our own prop 74 was defeated (legalizing dispensaries). I was pretty baffled by that one as well.

I love Zach definite friend material.

Originally posted by King Kandy
So what's up with these Ontario court rulings I hear about that legalize pot in Canada?

Lower courts ruled it to be a violation of personal liberty. America said that if we legalized it, they would shut down our boarders, a move that costs Canada billions by the hour.

Thus, our supreme court found that it is ok for the government to ban anything that potentially poses as much of a personal health risk as marijuana, a substance known to have numerous beneficial/medicinal qualities. Obviously I have a cynical take on that result.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I personally thought that the prop 19 law was very well designed. I don't live in Cali, but if I did, it would have been satisfactory.

I live in oregon where our own prop 74 was defeated (legalizing dispensaries). I was pretty baffled by that one as well.

We had a mega conservative party in the late 90s early 2000s that wanted to put it to a referendum (which would see it legalized almost certainly), but they never got to power, largely because the leader was a young earth creationist. Our socialist party will talk about it when their leader rallies at raves or other "youth" spots, but there is really no serious move for it to be done by the government. Basically, imho, for the fact that America would punish us for it.

Originally posted by inimalist
Lower courts ruled it to be a violation of personal liberty. America said that if we legalized it, they would shut down our boarders, a move that costs Canada billions by the hour.
Jesus... that's shameful.

Originally posted by inimalist
Thus, our supreme court found that it is ok for the government to ban anything that potentially poses as much of a personal health risk as marijuana, a substance known to have numerous beneficial/medicinal qualities. Obviously I have a cynical take on that result.
What was this ruling?

Originally posted by inimalist
We had a mega conservative party in the late 90s early 2000s that wanted to put it to a referendum (which would see it legalized almost certainly), but they never got to power, largely because the leader was a young earth creationist. Our socialist party will talk about it when their leader rallies at raves or other "youth" spots, but there is really no serious move for it to be done by the government. Basically, imho, for the fact that America would punish us for it.
Funny, as an american "mega conservative" and "legalizing marijuana" seem like polar opposites, even though they really shouldn't.

What I want to know is, where the f*ck was everyone who b*tched and moaned for six months straight that Prop 19 needs to be passed? Most of my buds ironically didn't go vote cuz there were smoking a joint. The irony made me laugh, but that's their excuse, not sure what everyone else's was. Since most sites I've been to get buried with Prop 19 talk that I honestly thought it woulld've been a landslide.

Originally posted by Mindset
You never saw the Hangover?

Galifinakis is one of the most unique and funniest stand up comediens who currently perform.


nope..

Originally posted by King Kandy
Jesus... that's shameful.

oh, for sure. We have the largest undefended border in the world, iirc more trade goes accross it than anywhere else on the planet, yet the Americans would turn our border into the same gridlock you see in Mexico, just to prove that Canadians shouldn't be allowed to set their own domestic policy.

The saving grace is that it wouldn't last. Our economies are too intertwined, and while it would hurt us more, it is like shooting yourself in the leg.

Originally posted by King Kandy
What was this ruling?

I don't remember completely, but iirc the Ontario courts said that it was a violation of personal liberty to make pot illegal, because the state had given no convincing reason why it should have the right to limit that freedom.

The Supreme court said that this was incorrect because any suspiscion of harm was enough for the state to restrict access to marijuana.

I believe this was 2 years after our senate put out a paper saying that marijuana should be legal for people 16 and older.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Funny, as an american "mega conservative" and "legalizing marijuana" seem like polar opposites, even though they really shouldn't.

I find it funny, because as I have sort of "matured" (I mean literally, from 16 to 26, not as in, I think other people are immature), I've really come to dislike most of the arguments that liberals put forth for drug legalization. They often try to make pot sound beningn, or they seem to be the ones who think everyone just needs a shroom trip, then the world would be a better place.

The conservatives have such a better stance, imho, the personal liberty/economic liberty stuff just seems way more salient to me, and honestly, hearing Milton Friedman or other fiscal conservatives talk about it just seems more cut and dry and logical, my opinion, of course.

our conservatives never had that moral kick to them that seems to innundate the republicans. I mean, it has been there, our voters just never went for it. That is changing a bit though...

Originally posted by Scythe
What I want to know is, where the f*ck was everyone who b*tched and moaned for six months straight that Prop 19 needs to be passed? Most of my buds ironically didn't go vote cuz there were smoking a joint. The irony made me laugh, but that's their excuse, not sure what everyone else's was. Since most sites I've been to get buried with Prop 19 talk that I honestly thought it woulld've been a landslide.

most polls predicted the measure was running at 50%, the most optimistic saying "prop 19 might have a chance", it was considered a long shot from the beginning

Originally posted by inimalist
oh, for sure. We have the largest undefended border in the world, iirc more trade goes accross it than anywhere else on the planet, yet the Americans would turn our border into the same gridlock you see in Mexico, just to prove that Canadians shouldn't be allowed to set their own domestic policy.

The saving grace is that it wouldn't last. Our economies are too intertwined, and while it would hurt us more, it is like shooting yourself in the leg.
I wish you guys would just call us on it and force us to confront our backwards policy.

Originally posted by inimalist
I find it funny, because as I have sort of "matured" (I mean literally, from 16 to 26, not as in, I think other people are immature), I've really come to dislike most of the arguments that liberals put forth for drug legalization. They often try to make pot sound beningn, or they seem to be the ones who think everyone just needs a shroom trip, then the world would be a better place.

The conservatives have such a better stance, imho, the personal liberty/economic liberty stuff just seems way more salient to me, and honestly, hearing Milton Friedman or other fiscal conservatives talk about it just seems more cut and dry and logical, my opinion, of course.

our conservatives never had that moral kick to them that seems to innundate the republicans. I mean, it has been there, our voters just never went for it. That is changing a bit though...
Pot is pretty benign, especially compared to a lot of other things people put in their bodies. As far as the shroom trips, hell it just goes back to their hippie days when they saw the good effects on their own communal living from it... it does have many known benefits and it inspired good living in that culture.

I agree... I just don't hear conservatives here say that, because being a conservative is more about being "pro establishment" than any real specific issues (though this seems to be changing, we can see in these latest elections how it actually isn't).

Originally posted by King Kandy
I wish you guys would just call us on it and force us to confront our backwards policy.

we'd have to confront our own first. God, I'd love a referendum on the issue, our national news, CBC, is totally in favor of it, the debate would get such good press coverage and our media wouldn't be completely knee jerk.

People who go on talk shows and ramble about all the "dangers" of pot get tough questions up here, its nice, but like, our citizens live in one world and our government another... LOL, our conservative party got the queen of england to shut down our government for a month to avoid being elected out of power (though, we were going on 4 elections in 5 years).

Originally posted by King Kandy
Pot is pretty benign, especially compared to a lot of other things people put in their bodies. As far as the shroom trips, hell it just goes back to their hippie days when they saw the good effects on their own communal living from it... it does have many known benefits and it inspired good living in that culture.

I hear what you are saying, and maybe we just run with different crowds, but I've had lots of debates at parties about whether marijuana is really a miracle herb that opens your mind and cures all diseases , and it seems more like these are the arguments people have had with themselves about why they think its ok that they can do it, rather than as political theory.

I also think a lot of them don't take into account the bad experiences people have with drugs, especially the hallucinogens, but this is a totally other conversation

Originally posted by King Kandy
I agree... I just don't hear conservatives here say that, because being a conservative is more about being "pro establishment" than any real specific issues (though this seems to be changing, we can see in these latest elections how it actually isn't).

which is weird, because there are so many libertarians in America... Like, all the people in the Republican party, who worship at the alter of Rand and Friedman, also fall right in line with the "Just say no" Regan attitude.

Originally posted by inimalist
I hear what you are saying, and maybe we just run with different crowds, but I've had lots of debates at parties about whether marijuana is really a miracle herb that opens your mind and cures all diseases , and it seems more like these are the arguments people have had with themselves about why they think its ok that they can do it, rather than as political theory.

I suspect that's just an outgrowth of the idea that "nature = good". There are people (most of them liberals) who really don't understand that things that come from nature can cause harm. They think that stories about all natural products doing bad things are an invention by drug companies.

I once mentioned to people like this the arsenic is totally natural. They were baffled by the idea.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I suspect that's just an outgrowth of the idea that "nature = good". There are people (most of them liberals) who really don't understand that things that come from nature can cause harm. They think that stories about all natural products doing bad things are an invention by drug companies.

I once mentioned to people like this the arsenic is totally natural. They were baffled by the idea.

I used to party with a lot of hippies, so I hear that

there is also the fact that, until recently, the war on drugs has made any real information about substances pretty much unavailable. So, when new stuff comes out that does find addictive or carcinogenic qualities to marijuana, there is a huge skepticism, because "government" and "science" are all the same in their perception, and they can't be trusted.

Originally posted by inimalist
we'd have to confront our own first. God, I'd love a referendum on the issue, our national news, CBC, is totally in favor of it, the debate would get such good press coverage and our media wouldn't be completely knee jerk.

People who go on talk shows and ramble about all the "dangers" of pot get tough questions up here, its nice, but like, our citizens live in one world and our government another... LOL, our conservative party got the queen of england to shut down our government for a month to avoid being elected out of power (though, we were going on 4 elections in 5 years).
The queen can still do that? Isn't that kind of a blatant violation of democracy?

Originally posted by inimalist
I hear what you are saying, and maybe we just run with different crowds, but I've had lots of debates at parties about whether marijuana is really a miracle herb that opens your mind and cures all diseases , and it seems more like these are the arguments people have had with themselves about why they think its ok that they can do it, rather than as political theory.

I also think a lot of them don't take into account the bad experiences people have with drugs, especially the hallucinogens, but this is a totally other conversation
I agree, people do exaggerate the benefits of marijuana (personally, I feel most of marijuana's supposed medical benefits are flimsy... I support medical marijuana specifically because people will abuse the system to use it without real medical need).

Hallucinogens, I don't know what you're talking about. What heavy users of acid, psilocybin etc, haven't ever had a bad trip before? Its a known risk, and sometimes you just have to confront it. At least you aren't doing yourself permanent harm wrecking your liver with booze.

Originally posted by inimalist
which is weird, because there are so many libertarians in America... Like, all the people in the Republican party, who worship at the alter of Rand and Friedman, also fall right in line with the "Just say no" Regan attitude.
Like I said, there are so many "libertarians", but most of them actually are in favor of expanded government, as long as its enforcing their conservative social views. Religious Right in Libertarian's clothing.

Originally posted by inimalist
I used to party with a lot of hippies, so I hear that

there is also the fact that, until recently, the war on drugs has made any real information about substances pretty much unavailable. So, when new stuff comes out that does find addictive or carcinogenic qualities to marijuana, there is a huge skepticism, because "government" and "science" are all the same in their perception, and they can't be trusted.
Wait, studies prove its carcinogenic? Every study i've seen was inconclusive, or showed the exact opposite. Was there a bunch of new research?

Originally posted by King Kandy
The queen can still do that? Isn't that kind of a blatant violation of democracy?

my proudest day as an Englishman

Originally posted by King Kandy
I agree, people do exaggerate the benefits of marijuana (personally, I feel most of marijuana's supposed medical benefits are flimsy... I support medical marijuana specifically because people will abuse the system to use it without real medical need).

I don't know a lot about the "medicinal" qualities other than quality of life stuff. It triggers appetite and helps with pain, someone that makes it amazing for people undergoing cancer or aids treatments. As far as it actively fighting disease, I'm skeptical also.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Hallucinogens, I don't know what you're talking about. What heavy users of acid, psilocybin etc, haven't ever had a bad trip before? Its a known risk, and sometimes you just have to confront it. At least you aren't doing yourself permanent harm wrecking your liver with booze.

huh, I come accross lots of people who have trouble with the idea that drugs just aren't for some people

Originally posted by King Kandy
Like I said, there are so many "libertarians", but most of them actually are in favor of expanded government, as long as its enforcing their conservative social views. Religious Right in Libertarian's clothing.

I really hope the religious right stops bleeding into our politics. Canadian citizens seem to be against it, but imho it seems more prevelant now than like 5 years ago, or maybe I'm just more sensitive to it. America seems to define what all conservatives believe, or at least, thats how it seems here.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Wait, studies prove its carcinogenic? Every study i've seen was inconclusive, or showed the exact opposite. Was there a bunch of new research?

"prove" is a tough term, but there are studies, in rats, that show certain chemicals within the plant are carcinogenic.

This is a long step from "Pot will give you cancer", but there are lots of people for whom even admitting that there is some problem is sacrelige.

The same with addiction. I tend to think people don't want it to have these qualities, so they can group it as something totally different from other drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, but again, all this might just be our social groups. I guess, my closest friends arent really like this, just those damn dirty hippies

Originally posted by inimalist
my proudest day as an Englishman
I guess there's at least one thing I can take pride in US's system compared to Canada's.

Originally posted by inimalist
I don't know a lot about the "medicinal" qualities other than quality of life stuff. It triggers appetite and helps with pain, someone that makes it amazing for people undergoing cancer or aids treatments. As far as it actively fighting disease, I'm skeptical also.
I'm not saying all its effects are bunk, but acting like it's vitally important to legalize it because of its health benefits doesn't seem like a sound argument. Like I said, the more abusable and loop-hole-full a medical marijuana law is, the more I support it.

Originally posted by inimalist
huh, I come accross lots of people who have trouble with the idea that drugs just aren't for some people
But what i'm trying to say is, even people who are frequent users of hallucinogens still can and do have bad trips. Just because you trip bad doesn't mean that you are absolutely never going to draw benefit from it. Some people don't like it despite repeat uses, but treating whether or not someone has a bad trip the first time as some sort of "litmus test" for whether they can use it isn't really solid.

Originally posted by inimalist
"prove" is a tough term, but there are studies, in rats, that show certain chemicals within the plant are carcinogenic.

This is a long step from "Pot will give you cancer", but there are lots of people for whom even admitting that there is some problem is sacrelige.

The same with addiction. I tend to think people don't want it to have these qualities, so they can group it as something totally different from other drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, but again, all this might just be our social groups. I guess, my closest friends arent really like this, just those damn dirty hippies
That's true, but there are also chemicals that have anti-cancer properties present in marijuana. The question to me, really is whether or not smoking it generates any significant cancer risk. That's what I would feel is the important issue.

Originally posted by inimalist
most polls predicted the measure was running at 50%, the most optimistic saying "prop 19 might have a chance", it was considered a long shot from the beginning

Oh, is that so? I had no idea, I do not keep up with politics. When it came down to voting, I did some research to know what I'm voting for and leave it at that.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
What's the legal standing of doing that? Like can the cops do anything about it since it's on national television? (I recall that Kavorkian was arrested for comments made during an interview) wasnt there a video of him injecting the guy?



loved the stunt by the way and low risk as it was, it still took balls

everyone smokes or has smoked in their life.... lets move on

Originally posted by tootop
everyone smokes or has smoked in their life

Wut.

That's not true, but it certainly has become extremely prevalent in the US.