Black Canary Vs Dick Grayson

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Prep-Man
No scream, strictly hth.

-Pr-
mmm

this is a tough one, as i personally consider them to be on the same level.

split for now.

Konton
Dinah is more on Batman's level then Nightwing's IMO.

Omega Vision
Dinah seemed to be slightly more effective against Deathstroke than Dick has been in their many fights.

Hmm....

I'll say Dinah for the slight majority.

Mindset
Originally posted by Konton
Dinah is more on Batman's level then Nightwing's IMO. Typical Konton.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Dinah seemed to be slightly more effective against Deathstroke than Dick has been in their many fights.

Hmm....

I'll say Dinah for the slight majority.

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srankmissingnin
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srankmissingnin
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King Castle
that's why i like NW, it will never change and why i have a more moderate look on slade then most.

Philosophía
Dick. The fighting-wise push he's been getting is even higher than the one Black Canary has.

aztec

SasuOna
lol at Nightwing not being on Dinah's level. Hasn't Dick beaten Cassie or am I mistaken in that regard?

Prep-Man
has these 2 ever fought before?

-Pr-
Originally posted by SasuOna
lol at Nightwing not being on Dinah's level. Hasn't Dick beaten Cassie or am I mistaken in that regard?

he's held his own a while back. don't know if he ever beat her.

Mindset

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by SasuOna
lol at Nightwing not being on Dinah's level. Hasn't Dick beaten Cassie or am I mistaken in that regard?

He stalemate her the last time they fought, and that was prior to taking up the cowl. Since becoming Batman, Dick has recieved an arbitrary skill boost, so he would likely do even better now. I think Dini has even said in an interview that Dick is as skilled as Bruce right now.

Dinah is a great fighter, but it takes more than beating Green Arrow and merely not losing to a character who's entire reputation is hearsay to make me think she could take Grayson. Sure the Silk Brothers were allegedly "Shiva level," but the fact of the matter is they couldn't beat Canary... and then all got slaughtered by their sister. Not exactly a stellar resume. I would Dick the majority pre-Battle for the Cowl, and I give him an even bigger edge now.

Black bolt z
BC

Prep-Man
How did Dick get a boost in skill?

-Pr-
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I think Dini has even said in an interview that Dick is as skilled as Bruce right now.

you wouldn't have a link by any chance? i'd love to read it... dick being bruce level is a huge boost imo...

Originally posted by Prep-Man
How did Dick get a boost in skill?

he's been gradually getting one the last two-three years or so.

SamZED
Ugh.. as much as I like seeing NW display his fighting skills, him stalemating or beating Deathstroke is just wrong. Slade is his superior in pretty much everything except agility.

Prep-Man
Originally posted by -Pr-
you wouldn't have a link by any chance? i'd love to read it... dick being bruce level is a huge boost imo...



he's been gradually getting one the last two-three years or so.

Yeah, but how are you guys measuring skill boosts? Because BC has had a boost as well.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by -Pr-
you wouldn't have a link by any chance? i'd love to read it... dick being bruce level is a huge boost imo...



he's been gradually getting one the last two-three years or so.

I looked around real quick but I couldn't find it. I'm not sure the exact interview or where I read it (ign, newsarama, cbr ect), and it now occurs to me it might have been Tomasi and not Dini... but I'm not sure. I know I read it somewhere shortly after battle for the cowl, but I don't recall enough info to find it again. sad

Mindset
Originally posted by SamZED
Ugh.. as much as I like seeing NW display his fighting skills, him stalemating or beating Deathstroke is just wrong. Slade is his superior in pretty much everything except agility. Agility can mean a lot in a fight.

Look at Spiderman.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by SamZED
Ugh.. as much as I like seeing NW display his fighting skills, him stalemating or beating Deathstroke is just wrong. Slade is his superior in pretty much everything except agility.

He is also a significantly more skilled fighter, which is the primary reason for him being even a mild threat to Slade. DS has superhuman stats across the board, but he isn't that hot of a fighter, maybe Punisher level... maybe.

Daredevil1
Originally posted by SamZED
Ugh.. as much as I like seeing NW display his fighting skills, him stalemating or beating Deathstroke is just wrong. Slade is his superior in pretty much everything except agility.


If you consider the fact that Cass, Batman(Bruce) have also given him problems among other streets. And with NW getting a push and stalemating Cass herself. Then him giving problems to Slade doesn't seem that bad either.


Don't get me wrong Slade would win the majority against them but not easily.

Daredevil1
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
DS has superhuman stats across the board, but he isn't that hot of a fighter, maybe Punisher level... maybe.



DS is on the very low-low end of the spectrum in superhuman-is though. That's why DC coined him twice in the books as being almost superhuman. Black Panther and Cap have also been termed almost superhuman.

I thinks its more his team fights with equipment and tactical planning that make him more of a threat then just a straight up fight against the best. Although he IMO was still take the majority over guys like Cass and Batman IMO.

Mindset
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He is also a significantly more skilled fighter, which is the primary reason for him being even a mild threat to Slade. DS has superhuman stats across the board, but he isn't that hot of a fighter, maybe Punisher level... maybe. That too.

Srank, why are people downplaying the best Batman? sad

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Mindset
That too.

Srank, why are people downplaying the best Batman? sad

Their parents didn't hug them enough... or alternative, they "hugged" them too much? sad

BruceSkywalker
Dinah is good, however Dick after nice fight


Originally posted by Prep-Man
How did Dick get a boost in skill?


read a lot of the nightwing issues and the current batman issues as well

Prep-Man
Interviews don't mean much. Have we seen Dick face Bruce one on one?

BTW, I have been reading Batman and Robin. NW is good, but I don't see him as being Bruce level, yet.

Philosophía
Dick isn't at Bruce's level and it wouldn't make sense if he was.

Uriel005
Originally posted by SamZED
Ugh.. as much as I like seeing NW display his fighting skills, him stalemating or beating Deathstroke is just wrong. Slade is his superior in pretty much everything except agility. did they ever confirm if Dick was an actual meta or not?

-Pr-

King Castle
how wouldnt it?!

Dick was raised by Bruce at a young age and was trained by batman himself... a guy who traveled the world to learn and then refined his MA to the most efficient form of fighting then turning around teaching nightwing after removing the frivolous MA crap from his own style.

now Dick is far younger more athletic faster agile then Bat's who batman himself acknowledges whcih is why bat's wears more body armor kevlar then nightwing.. Batman is a brute compared to Dick..

now Dick does a lot better against DS then bats does.. add the fact that Dick has bn around batman for so long he should be able to read batman like a book.

Prep-Man
Until we see an actual fight, I'd always side with Batman. Not saying Dick can't surpass him, but there is no actual proof of it.

-Pr-
Originally posted by King Castle
how wouldnt it?!

Dick was raised by Bruce at a young age and was trained by batman himself... a guy who traveled the world to learn and then refined his MA to the most efficient form of fighting then turning around teaching nightwing after removing the frivolous MA crap from his own style.

now Dick is far younger more athletic faster agile then Bat's who batman himself acknowledges whcih is why bat's wears more body armor kevlar then nightwing.. Batman is a brute compared to Dick..

now Dick does a lot better against DS then bats does.. add the fact that Dick has bn around batman for so long he should be able to read batman like a book.

dick wears less body armour than batman to help him use his agility more. bruce wears the same amount he always wore. he doesn't add to it because he feels old/unfit.

bruce isn't getting on in age either. he's still in a reasonably strong physical condition, as good as he's ever been, so i don't see him weakening any time soon.

you also have to remember that dick was still a teenager when bruce turfed him out; bruce couldn't have taught him everything he knows.

King Castle
normally these two to me are a dead split one being aged with experience, strength and iron will.. the other is speed, energy youthfulness and determination and knowledge of his opponent.

Prep-Man
Yeah, like Bruce doesn't know Dick. lol. He taught him pretty much everything he knows.

-Pr-
Originally posted by King Castle
normally these two to me are a dead split one being aged with experience, strength and experience... the other is speed, energy youthfulness and determination and knowledge of his opponent.

you attribute determination to dick more than bruce?

batdude123
That might be the dumbest point I've ever seen.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by batdude123
That might be the dumbest point I've ever seen.
With KC my suspension of disbelief is always on.

Prep-Man
laughing out loud

King Castle
Originally posted by -Pr-
you attribute determination to dick more than bruce? damn right... he has just as much will as Bruce and is supplemented by his young age and energy....

he would out last Bat's b/c unlike bat's dick is young and would sonic flash kick bats in the grill for a ko the same way DD would if we switched them. devil

also... bat's and everyone else has commented how slow bat's costume makes them from Bruce himself, Dick and even Jean Paul...

Bruce loses speed advantage..

and if DS has a hard time predicted Dick i see bat's having just a hard time if not harder doing the same.

also for others hanging on a single word i also said i see them being dead split.. i just prefer dick.

complexbrother
Greyson.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by King Castle
damn right... he has just as much will as Bruce and is supplemented by his young age and energy....

he would out last Bat's b/c unlike bat's dick is young and would sonic flash kick bats in the grill for a ko the same way DD would if we switched them. devil

also... bat's and everyone else has commented how slow bat's costume makes them from Bruce himself, Dick and even Jean Paul...

Bruce loses speed advantage..

and if DS has a hard time predicted Dick i see bat's having just a hard time if not harder doing the same.

also for others hanging on a single word i also said i see them being dead split.. i just prefer dick.
facepalm

Mindset

Badabing
Originally posted by King Castle
damn right... i just prefer dick. ermm






biscuits

Mindset
laughing out loud

King Castle
Originally posted by Badabing
ermm






biscuits

im telling Digi.........no expression reported to digi for spamming with happy face.

anyways... DS recognizes Dick's skills.

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