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who winns here

How can you possibly use the GE in a vs match?

All we know about it is that by some unknown power it was able to stalemate Galactus for an unknown amount of time. That's literally it.

But CA Superman anyway.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
How can you possibly use the GE in a vs match?

All we know about it is that by some unknown power it was able to stalemate Galactus for an unknown amount of time. That's literally it.

But CA Superman anyway. iirc it was stalemating galactus + all the celestials

Have any scans of that?? I'd go with CA Superman though.

Galactus Engine wins.

GE gets ass raped

CA Superman stomps.

Originally posted by kevdude
Have any scans of that?? I'd go with CA Superman though. http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/57606/1459385-the_engine.jpg

The Galactus Engine crushes Cosmic Armor Supes...

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/57606/1459385-the_engine.jpg
lol, since when are celestials "high abstracts"? They're practically as low as they come.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/57606/1459385-the_engine.jpg I smell a lawsuit take a look at the spaceship in the top left corner *cough*Star Wars*cough*

Superman.

I just noticed

Why the hell is it so big?

Originally posted by King Kandy
lol, since when are celestials "high abstracts"? They're practically as low as they come.
Same with Galactus at his normal levels.

CA.

Originally posted by Galan007
CA.

Originally posted by King Kandy
lol, since when are celestials "high abstracts"? They're practically as low as they come. Who are the lowest abstracts?

I'd say they are higher than Entropy and his siblings.

Originally posted by King Kandy
lol, since when are celestials "high abstracts"? They're practically as low as they come. but the point is that it took on galactus + all celestials

i guess there are alternate versions of galactus that are more powerful than 616

Originally posted by Mindset
Who are the lowest abstracts?

I'd say they are higher than Entropy and his siblings.
What? Entropy was as powerful as Eternity was.

would nightmare be a low abstract?

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
GE gets ass raped Based on ?

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
but the point is that it took on galactus + all celestials

i guess there are alternate versions of galactus that are more powerful than 616

Yet in issue #6 Galactus alone was taking on the Engine.

And your second statement is just a huge assumption, for all we know the engine is full of energy from not only a dead Galactus, but also all of the many angled ones etc.

But either way, the Cosmic Armour was pretty much the ultimate weapon...

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
would nightmare be a low abstract?
No, Dr. Strange consistently beats him in his own realm. Even before he was sorcerer supreme.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Yet in issue #6 Galactus alone was taking on the Engine.

And your second statement is just a huge assumption, for all we know the engine is full of energy from not only a dead Galactus, but also all of the many angled ones etc.

But either way, the Cosmic Armour was pretty much the ultimate weapon... the galactic engine was pretty much the untimate weapon also

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Yet in issue #6 Galactus alone was taking on the Engine.

And your second statement is just a huge assumption, for all we know the engine is full of energy from not only a dead Galactus, but also all of the many angled ones etc.

But either way, the Cosmic Armour was pretty much the ultimate weapon... The ca was nowhere near the ultimate weapon.

Originally posted by King Kandy
No, Dr. Strange consistently beats him in his own realm. Even before he was sorcerer supreme. i dont think you should use strange as a measuring stick, he beats just about everyone, of course strange isnt going to lose in his book

Originally posted by quanchi112
The ca was nowhere near the ultimate weapon.

Being able to adapt to fight absolutely anything is pretty much the ultimate weapon.

One the other hand we've seen the Galactus engine in use on panel on about 3 pages, and most recently Galactus was stalemating it.

Whereas Supes with the CA was able to fight the original Mandrakk.
So unless you're saying Galactus is as powerful as Mandrakk, the GE can't really compete.

why is mandrakk more powerful than galactus? he was something like the hunger who would imo lose to a fully powered galactus.

Originally posted by King Kandy
What? Entropy was as powerful as Eternity was. So he needed Genis help to best Eternity for shits and giggles?

Dr Strange Vs The Living Tribunal

Dr strange goes toe to toe with the living tribunal

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/5658/livingtri17iy.jpg
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/5198/livingtri25ne.jpg
http://img430.imageshack.us/img430/6285/strangetales1582221hu.jpg
http://img430.imageshack.us/img430/7262/strangetales1582322tm.jpg

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
i dont think you should use strange as a measuring stick, he beats just about everyone, of course strange isnt going to lose in his book
Nightmare is a Dr. Strange villain, who the hell are we going to use as a measuring stick if not him? Dr. Strange is constantly fighting beings with power superior to his own. Dormammu, Umar, Zom, Death, Eternity, Shuma Gorath, The In-Betweener etc. Nightmare is one of the few enemies consistently portrayed from day one as Strange's inferior in power. He is just not all that strong, period.

Originally posted by Mindset
So he needed Genis help to best Eternity for shits and giggles?
They were equals. He needed someone to push it in his favor.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Dr Strange Vs The Living Tribunal

Dr strange goes toe to toe with the living tribunal

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/5658/livingtri17iy.jpg
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/5198/livingtri25ne.jpg
http://img430.imageshack.us/img430/6285/strangetales1582221hu.jpg
http://img430.imageshack.us/img430/7262/strangetales1582322tm.jpg
Not even close. The LT wasn't even trying to harm him.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Not even close. The LT wasn't even trying to harm him. is that why the LT said "you shall perish" ?

Is this going to be another Thanos/Odin debacle?

facepalm

Originally posted by King Kandy
Nightmare is a Dr. Strange villain, who the hell are we going to use as a measuring stick if not him? Dr. Strange is constantly fighting beings with power superior to his own. Dormammu, Umar, Zom, Death, Eternity, Shuma Gorath, The In-Betweener etc. Nightmare is one of the few enemies consistently portrayed from day one as Strange's inferior in power. He is just not all that strong, period. nightmare took control of eternity once

Originally posted by King Kandy
They were equals. He needed someone to push it in his favor. nope

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
is that why the LT said "you shall perish" ?
He didn't say that, he said Strange would perish if he continued to fight him. The fight ended a page later.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
nightmare took control of eternity once
Yes, he did. Not because he was stronger than him, though. In that same comic Dr. Strange casually defeated him.

Originally posted by SuperMan103
why is mandrakk more powerful than galactus? he was something like the hunger who would imo lose to a fully powered galactus.

Your wrong.

Go back and read about mandrakk then come back kid.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Being able to adapt to fight absolutely anything is pretty much the ultimate weapon.

One the other hand we've seen the Galactus engine in use on panel on about 3 pages, and most recently Galactus was stalemating it.

Whereas Supes with the CA was able to fight the original Mandrakk.
So unless you're saying Galactus is as powerful as Mandrakk, the GE can't really compete. I didn't see it apapting to almost anything it sounds like the super adaptoid and I saw a regular lantern stake mandrakk also. I failed to see anything the Mandrakk do combat wise as impressive.

CA.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Same with Galactus at his normal levels. Since when is galactus low abstract?Mabye a very hungry one but I always saw mid level galactus as mid abstract.

And CA supes crushes him.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Since when is galactus low abstract?Mabye a very hungry one but I always saw mid level galactus as mid abstract.

And CA supes crushes him. How does ca crush him ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
How does ca crush him ? By doing what odin does to thanos(and I'm just using this as a comparison)...pounding him into submission.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
By doing what odin does to thanos(and I'm just using this as a comparison)...pounding him into submission. Thanos was never pounded into submission. If he was then why would ask Odin him to give up ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos was never pounded into submission. If he was then why would ask Odin him to give up ? Ummm...how the hell do you post so damn fast?I leave the thread as soon as I post and your post is already there.Props for typing speed.

This thread isn't about them.Bump a thanos vs. odin thread or make a new one if they are all closed.

My point is is that CA supes can just pound away at GE and it won't be able to do much to him.If anything.

is this going to turn into another odin vs thanos debate?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Ummm...how the hell do you post so damn fast?I leave the thread as soon as I post and your post is already there.Props for typing speed.

This thread isn't about them.Bump a thanos vs. odin thread or make a new one if they are all closed.

My point is is that CA supes can just pound away at GE and it won't be able to do much to him.If anything. How would that defeat the Galactus engine ? We already saw a common gl stake a mandrakk I don't see what is so impressive about him combat wise.

Originally posted by quanchi112
How would that defeat the Galactus engine ? We already saw a common gl stake a mandrakk I don't see what is so impressive about him combat wise. Eating entire timelines...you don't see that as the least bit impressive for mandrakk?

Cosmic Armor wins

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Eating entire timelines...you don't see that as the least bit impressive for mandrakk? No, that isn't a viable tactic in combat it shows how dangerous he is but in combat he was never anything special.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, that isn't a viable tactic in combat it shows how dangerous he is but in combat he was never anything special. Why isn't it a viable tactic in combat?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Why isn't it a viable tactic in combat? Because mandrakk never did that to beat anyone directly.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Because mandrakk never did that to beat anyone directly. And that matters how?If i'm shown to throw a brick does that mean throwing a brick at you to beat you in a fight isn't viable?

Gotta agree with Quan here

Originally posted by Black bolt z
And that matters how?If i'm shown to throw a brick does that mean throwing a brick at you to beat you in a fight isn't viable? Mandrakk was opposed by two separate times and never once did he eat any timelines. I mean come on use some common sense it's not viable.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Gotta agree with Quan here I'm not saying hes going to do it.Just wondering what makes it a non-viable tactic.

Like superman can blitz all his opponents?Its viable...but odds are its not gonna happen.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Because mandrakk never did that to beat anyone directly.
He didn't eat timelines. He ate stories that contained timelines.

He tried eating Superman's story and failed because of the Cosmic Armor.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
I'm not saying hes going to do it.Just wondering what makes it a non-viable tactic.

Like superman can blitz all his opponents?Its viable...but odds are its not gonna happen. Superman has blitzed against foes whereas Mandrakk has never eaten a story of someone who opposed him.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
He didn't eat timelines. He ate stories that contained timelines.

He tried eating Superman's story and failed because of the Cosmic Armor. The later mandrakk never ate anyone else' story and was staked by a gl. Galactus Engine is too powerful here.

Originally posted by quanchi112

The later mandrakk never ate anyone else' story and was staked by a gl. Galactus Engine is too powerful here.
The later Mandrakk was a joke compared to the first Mandrakk.

After all Dax Novu was the greatest of the Monitors while Rox Ogama was a scrub.

Why is it that no one seems to understand that they were totally different entities?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
The later Mandrakk was a joke compared to the first Mandrakk.

After all Dax Novu was the greatest of the Monitors while Rox Ogama was a scrub.

Why is it that no one seems to understand that they were totally different entities? They were both Mandrakks and neither was impressive. The first battle was hyperboled out of orbit.

CA or Mandrakk stomp.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
CA or Mandrakk stomp. Based on what ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
They were both Mandrakks and neither was impressive. The first battle was hyperboled out of orbit.
But one was clearly in a higher order than the other.

And even the weaker one defeated the Spectre and the Radiant.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
The later Mandrakk was a joke compared to the first Mandrakk.

After all Dax Novu was the greatest of the Monitors while Rox Ogama was a scrub.

Why is it that no one seems to understand that they were totally different entities?

Yeah, weren't even the same thing.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
But one was clearly in a higher order than the other.

And even the weaker one defeated the Spectre and the Radiant. Yes, which calls into question the spectre and radiant because we saw a gl stake him. Good point.

Didn't the monitors seal Mandrakk away initially when he told them what they really were? If so, I don't see why a sufficiently powerful entity like the Galactus Engine couldn't.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Didn't the monitors seal Mandrakk away initially when he told them what they really were? If so, I don't see why a sufficiently powerful entity like the Galactus Engine couldn't.
Dax Novu sealed himself in.

He created the Cosmic Armor because he knew if he got out all the Monitors combined couldn't stop him.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Dax Novu sealed himself in.

He created the Cosmic Armor because he knew if he got out all the Monitors combined couldn't stop him. Do you feel the monitors are impressive ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Do you feel the monitors are impressive ?
Superman prime scared the wits out of one.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Do you feel the monitors are impressive ? Originally posted by King Kandy
Superman prime scared the wits out of one.
Morrison effectively retconned the Monitors in Final Crisis to a much higher conceptual level than their portrayal in Countdown.

Besides Prime also scared Mxy...and we all know how powerful Mxy is. Prime's jobber aura means little.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Superman prime scared the wits out of one. Exactly and an army 1/3 the size of which a weaker Monarch toyed with such ease were beating all of the Monitors because they were unprepared.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Morrison effectively retconned the Monitors in Final Crisis to a much higher conceptual level than their portrayal in Countdown.

Besides Prime also scared Mxy...and we all know how powerful Mxy is. Prime's jobber aura means little. I don't see a retcon by any means here with the Monitors. What did the Monitors do in final crisis which showed off their awesome power ? It's been a while since I read this terrible story.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Dax Novu sealed himself in.

He created the Cosmic Armor because he knew if he got out all the Monitors combined couldn't stop him.
No, looks like it was the Monitors that did it.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/37768/1144808-final_crisis_superman_beyond_2_6_parte_super.jpg

It was his own choice to immperison himself, IIRC. Monitors didn't do it by force.

Originally posted by King Kandy
No, looks like it was the Monitors that did it.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/37768/1144808-final_crisis_superman_beyond_2_6_parte_super.jpg
Yet he fashioned his own prison.

Who knows if they could have done it against his will.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Yet he fashioned his own prison.

Who knows if they could have done it against his will.
He fashioned his prison before he was corrupted.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
It was his own choice to immperison himself, IIRC. Monitors didn't do it by force. It's clear he was put there against his own will.

Cosmic Armor Superman ftw

Originally posted by Omega Vision
The later Mandrakk was a joke compared to the first Mandrakk.

After all Dax Novu was the greatest of the Monitors while Rox Ogama was a scrub.

Why is it that no one seems to understand that they were totally different entities? Anyone who actually grasped the story understands the VAST difference between the versions of Mandrakk.

...But it's still worth mentioning that while Mandrakk II was exponentially weaker than the original incarnation, he was still able to own Spectre and Radiant combined. ie. his powers were still insanely uber by 'normal' standards.

Originally posted by Galan007
Anyone who actually grasped the story understands the VAST difference between the versions of Mandrakk.

...But it's still worth mentioning that while Mandrakk II was exponentially weaker than the original incarnation, he was still able to own Spectre and Radiant combined. ie. his powers were still insanely uber by 'normal' standards.

Originally posted by King Kandy
No, looks like it was the Monitors that did it.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/37768/1144808-final_crisis_superman_beyond_2_6_parte_super.jpg You realize the Monitors sealed Mandrakk within the Sepulcher, before he began eating stories/the bleed, right? Remember, once he reached THAT level of power, the only thing in all creation capable of stopping him was the Cosmic Armor (a weapon of his own design.)

...Lets not start a ridiculous rumor that the Monitors were capable of defeating Mandrakk.

Originally posted by Galan007
You realize the Monitors sealed Mandrakk within the Sepulcher, before he began eating stories/the bleed, right? Remember, once he reached THAT level of power, the only thing in all creation capable of stopping him was the Cosmic Armor (a weapon of his own design.)

...Lets not start a ridiculous rumor that the Monitors were capable of defeating Mandrakk.
He started eating stories during his imprisonment? Isn't the point of imprisoning people to stop stuff like that?

^ He had been feasting on the Bleed ever since he was imprisoned.

Superman noted such in this page:
http://img522.imageshack.us/i/manny1.jpg/

And it was noted again on the same page you posted before:
http://img717.imageshack.us/i/manny2.jpg/

Essentially, the Monitors were giving Mandrakk a constant supply of the Bleed in order to sate him enough that he didn't try to break out of his tomb and begin devouring existence.

Originally posted by Galan007
Anyone who actually grasped the story understands the VAST difference between the versions of Mandrakk.

...But it's still worth mentioning that while Mandrakk II was exponentially weaker than the original incarnation, he was still able to own Spectre and Radiant combined. ie. his powers were still insanely uber by 'normal' standards. And yet also staked by a gl lantern so nowhere near as uber as you would have me believe. It just is a very low showing for the Spectre but let's face it he's had his fair share of bad showings look at how he was impotent against the death thing in blackest night, Nekron.

^ I suppose it is easier to completely disregard the fact that before the Lanterns even arrived, Nix had summoned the single most powerful team in the multiverse to combat Mandrakk II -- or as he put it: "a team of heroes so incredible it can only be assembled once against the absolute enemy." Yeah, let's ignore that and look solely at the GL's staking him.
srsly

...For some reason I feel like I'm completely wasting my breath, though.

I was gonna read it, but I didn't have 3d glasses.

^ Yeah, that drove me nuts. Despite that, Superman Beyond #1-2 are still some of the best comics I've ever read... Certainly some of the most thought provoking.

But the event in my post occurred in FC #7, which wasn't a 3-D book. T'was quite confusing at first, though.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ I suppose it is easier to completely disregard the fact that before the Lanterns even arrived, Nix had summoned the single most powerful team in the multiverse to combat Mandrakk II -- or as he put it: "a team of heroes so incredible it can only be assembled once against the absolute enemy." Yeah, let's ignore that and look solely at the GL's staking him.
srsly

...For some reason I feel like I'm completely wasting my breath, though. This is nothing more than hyperbole used in various other issues to sell the threat as ultimate or the situations as most dire. You should be used to this sort of thing by now with all the various drama in both universes. The team wasn't that formidable and the threat was easily taken care of.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't like it, so I call hyperbole!!! Fixed.

Originally posted by Galan007
Fixed. You realize these words are described for practically every major event. You like it so you hype it just the same.

Originally posted by Mindset
I was gonna read it, but I didn't have 3d glasses.

3-d glasses effect sucked anyway.

^ Describing exactly what was shown/stated in the comic(s) =/= me 'hyping it'.

five pages for a galactus motif battering ram?

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5025/cmonson.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Describing exactly what was shown/stated in the comic(s) =/= me 'hyping it'. You bought into it that's like me really arguing Odin is omnipotent and all powerful. If you can't see the difference then I can't help you.

^ I don't want your help. vin

Originally posted by Galan007
^ I don't want your help. vin I'm going to shove it down your throat.

^ Reported for sexual innuendos. Ghey ones. uhuh

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Reported for sexual innuendos. Ghey ones. uhuh They happen from time to time.

Btw, it took practically everyones effort into killing Mandrakk II and thats a low showing?

Originally posted by kevdude


Btw, it took practically everyones effort into killing Mandrakk II and thats a low showing?
Well apparently because Mandrakk never held a Universe in his hand and never talked to Dr Strange he isn't an impressive entity.

Originally posted by kevdude


Btw, it took practically everyones effort into killing Mandrakk II and thats a low showing?
Its not exactly an abstract level showing. Galactus has beaten down teams of similar size.

I was really not a fan of Superman Beyond. Talk about superman wankage. It would be like me writing a book and saying on page one "this is the best book ever written".

Galactus Engine kills Supes in any attire.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Its not exactly an abstract level showing. Galactus has beaten down teams of similar size.

I was really not a fan of Superman Beyond. Talk about superman wankage. It would be like me writing a book and saying on page one "this is the best book ever written".
Haters gonna hate.

Well one thing is certain, the Galactus engine had to have been vastly powerful to have taken on all of those abstracts.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Its not exactly an abstract level showing. Beating Spectre and Radiant combined is, though.

...And again, that version of Mandrakk was insignificant compared to the original.

Originally posted by Galan007
Beating Spectre and Radiant combined is, though.

...And again, that version of Mandrakk was insignificant compared to the original.
*waits for played out Spectre lowballing to ensue*

^ You know it's gonna happen.

Still though, by the time Mandrakk II pwned Spectre, he had finally realized his true power, and displayed it by eradicating the ALE from every sentient being infected by it:

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/171/spectrepower1.th.jpg

Originally posted by Omega Vision
*waits for played out Spectre lowballing to ensue*

Yeah a certain 'someone' already tried it and didn't work out (or I don't think anyone cared to listen)..

Originally posted by Stoic
Well one thing is certain, the Galactus engine had to have been vastly powerful to have taken on all of those abstracts. Exactly, I don't see any Mandrakk doing the same.

We don't know the circumstances in which Dax Novu was imprisoned before he became Mandrakk - except that he was the greatest of the Monitor race, the 'radiant one' - a Lucifer analogue and was the first one to make contact with the concept of story.

Furthermore, upon closer examination of the story from SB, it is highly suggested that Dax Novu chose to be imprisoned. He did afterall build the Superman Armor whose sole purpose was to oppose him, the ultimate enemy of existence, and the narration clearly states that he was the one "Who wrestled the angel of contamination who gave his life to chain the best in the darkness."

But ultimately what he was before is irrelevant - he was transformed into Mandrakk and he rose above the Monitors and became the ultimate enemy of existence. He was as beyond them as CA Superman was, each of them becoming stronger to face the other.

Someone really takes everything Morrison states literally. I remember when he stated Darkseid and the new gods were all like Galactus level and when I read the story I paused and laughed at such a silly statement especially when Kalibak was killed.

The armor is built to fight any threat adapt then win. The Galactus engine is fubar here

Originally posted by quanchi112
Someone really takes everything Morrison states literally. I remember when he stated Darkseid and the new gods were all like Galactus level and when I read the story I paused and laughed at such a silly statement especially when Kalibak was killed.
Right. His Tony the Tiger host body that was created on Earth.

The actual Kalibak is like all New Gods a higher dimension being who takes physical form to interact with the DCU.

Context is not your friend Quan.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Right. His Tony the Tiger host body that was created on Earth.

The actual Kalibak is like all New Gods a higher dimension being who takes physical form to interact with the DCU.

Context is not your friend Quan. That's all we get to see so the higher plane nonsense has no place to begin with. All this power is worthless if you can't use it on this plane. The vs, forums are not your friend.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That's all we get to see so the higher plane nonsense has no place to begin with. All this power is worthless if you can't use it on this plane. The vs, forums are not your friend.
Which wasn't my point. You were acting like the defeat of his avatar body was the same as the defeat of his higher dimension soul self.

That just isn't the case.

It's almost like arguing that WWH defeating Zom possessed Strange would be the same as defeating the actual Zom. Tawky Tawny can't disembowel a Higher Dimensional being, but he can disembowel a construct body created on Earth.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That's all we get to see so the higher plane nonsense has no place to begin with. All this power is worthless if you can't use it on this plane. The vs, forums are not your friend. If a New God were to manifest itself in the mainstream DCU without first being 'scaled down' by a boom tube, then creation itself would suffer the consequences.

Case in point: the multiverse nearly being destroyed by Darkseid's 'fall' in FC.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Which wasn't my point. You were acting like the defeat of his avatar body was the same as the defeat of his higher dimension soul self.

That just isn't the case.

It's almost like arguing that WWH defeating Zom possessed Strange would be the same as defeating the actual Zom. Tawky Tawny can't disembowel a Higher Dimensional being, but he can disembowel a construct body created on Earth. That's completely different whereas Zom can enter our plane whereas the new gods cannot on their own.

Originally posted by Galan007
If a New God were to manifest itself in the mainstream DCU without first being 'scaled down' by a boom tube, then creation itself would suffer the consequences.

Case in point: the multiverse nearly being destroyed by Darkseid's 'fall' in FC. That isn't the point we have no idea how to debate for or against and it's speculation so what we do know they weren't that impressive in these bodies.

Galactus can end reality with the press of his un.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That's completely different whereas Zom can enter our plane whereas the new gods cannot on their own.
Except at the moment Strange channeled his power Zom couldn't enter either.

And in either case you dodged the actual point of the comparison.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That isn't the point we have no idea how to debate for or against and it's speculation so what we do know they weren't that impressive in these bodies.

Galactus can end reality with the press of his un.
Employing Loki's Wager again?

Originally posted by quanchi112
That isn't the point we have no idea how to debate for or against and it's speculation so what we do know they weren't that impressive in these bodies. I'm just saying that we have seen a New God fall straight from the 4th World to the mainstream DCU -- and he nearly succeeded in dragging the entire multiverse down with him as a side effect of his fall.

New Gods are more powerful then you give them credit for.

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm just saying that we have seen a New God fall straight from the 4th World to the mainstream DCU -- and he nearly succeeded in dragging the entire multiverse down with him as a side effect of his fall.

New Gods are more powerful then you give them credit for. That's just an effect of him entering that reality not his power level. It's like legion where Ds was picked out from the timestream and it almost ended all reality it had nothing to do with Darkseid's power just offsetting the balance.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That's just an effect of him entering that reality = my point.

Originally posted by Galan007
= my point. Which has nothing to do with his power just offsetting the balance or ebb and flow of things.

Originally posted by quanchi112
This is nothing more than hyperbole used in various other issues to sell the threat as ultimate or the situations as most dire. You should be used to this sort of thing by now with all the various drama in both universes. The team wasn't that formidable and the threat was easily taken care of. Like the hyperbole of thanos with IG being omnipotent?

God damn I really need to get final crisis.How many issues are there?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
God damn I really need to get final crisis.How many issues are there?
7 in the main series.

Of the many tie-ins the ones I recommend are Requiem, Superman Beyond 1+2, and Revelations.

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm just saying that we have seen a New God fall straight from the 4th World to the mainstream DCU -- and he nearly succeeded in dragging the entire multiverse down with him as a side effect of his fall.

New Gods are more powerful then you give them credit for. Although to be fair DS is one of the if not the strongest new god correct?Originally posted by quanchi112
That isn't the point we have no idea how to debate for or against and it's speculation so what we do know they weren't that impressive in these bodies.

Galactus can end reality with the press of his un. Except he won't.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Like the hyperbole of thanos with IG being omnipotent? Thanos proved how powerful he was in combat and we know what his abilities are.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Although to be fair DS is one of the if not the strongest new god correct? Except he won't. I never said he will I just said he can.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos proved how powerful he was in combat and we know what his abilities are.

I never said he will I just said he can. And CA supes didn't?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
And CA supes didn't? No, he didn't he showed he can get stronger and more powerful. That's it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Which has nothing to do with his power just offsetting the balance or ebb and flow of things. Has to do with the 4th World being a higher plane of existence. So if a 4th Worlder isn't scaled down, lower dimensions simply cannot hold up under the pressure.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
God damn I really need to get final crisis.How many issues are there? Start with Seven Soldiers.

Originally posted by Galan007
Has to do with the 4th World being a higher plane of existence. So if a 4th Worlder isn't scaled down, lower dimensions simply cannot hold up under the pressure.

Start with Seven Soldiers. The don't belong there that's it. Darkseid can't just overpower reality he doesn't belong in this reality so in this story he was wrecking reality simply by being there.

Originally posted by Galan007
Has to do with the 4th World being a higher plane of existence. So if a 4th Worlder isn't scaled down, lower dimensions simply cannot hold up under the pressure.

Start with Seven Soldiers. That a pre-lude?

Originally posted by quanchi112
The don't belong there that's it. Darkseid can't just overpower reality he doesn't belong in this reality so in this story he was wrecking reality simply by being there. In his 'true'/4th World form, Darkseid HAS overpowered reality, so therefore he can. But if he's scaled down via boom tube, then generally speaking, he cannot.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
That a pre-lude? Yup. Gives a lot of backstory.

Originally posted by Galan007
In his 'true'/4th World form, Darkseid HAS overpowered reality, so therefore he can. But if he's scaled down via boom tube, then generally speaking, he cannot.

Yup. Gives a lot of backstory. I disagree, he slipped through which caused the problems but at this point it will be a back and forth kinda thing.

Originally posted by Galan007
If a New God were to manifest itself in the mainstream DCU without first being 'scaled down' by a boom tube, then creation itself would suffer the consequences.

Case in point: the multiverse nearly being destroyed by Darkseid's 'fall' in FC. *cough* Orion *cough*

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Originally posted by Crack
Gay! I'm pathetic! Yes you are.

I think the CA wins... The only weapon I think that could oppose it, is the Heart.. Besides that.. CA is written to be able to beat pretty much anything

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I think the CA wins... The only weapon I think that could oppose it, is the Heart.. Besides that.. CA is written to be able to beat pretty much anything This.Mabye a little less then the heart could beat it but not much.

Mabye PR beyonder.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
*cough* Orion *cough*
Morrison pretty much retconned the New Gods though in Final Crisis in terms of what they were at their core.

He took (I believe the giant thing was Simonson's idea) and turned it up to eleven.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
This.Mabye a little less then the heart could beat it but not much.

Mabye PR beyonder. PR Beyonder isn't less than HOTU

Originally posted by Mindset
PR Beyonder isn't less than HOTU
Shut up before Mr Master comes here to lay down his "facts" on you.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
This.Mabye a little less then the heart could beat it but not much.

Mabye PR beyonder.
PR Beyonder was kind of similar in concept to the Primal Monitor.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Shut up before Mr Master comes here to lay down his "facts" on you. He agrees with me, honestly, I think he looks up to me.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Morrison pretty much retconned the New Gods though in Final Crisis in terms of what they were at their core.

He took (I believe the giant thing was Simonson's idea) and turned it up to eleven. And Orion wasn't collapsing the Multiverse when he fell.

Originally posted by Mindset
He agrees with me, honestly, I think he looks up to me.
He's probably jealous that you work at an actual gas station. He just works at the Blimpie next to a gas station.