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CIS is off in this battle for all sides. How far does Spiderman makes it... no webbing for Spidey.

1. Black Panther
2. Shang Shi
3. Daredevil
4. Elektra (she has a sword), no TP for elektra.
5. Cap (has shield)
6. Wolverine (no claws)
7. Wolverine with claws
8. Wolverine and Elektra (Wolverine doesnt have claws, Elektra doesnt have weapons). No TP for Elektra
9. Wolverine and Elektra, Wolverine has his claws, Elektra has her standard blades. No TP for Elektra.


How far does Spiderman make it with his fist and CIS is off on ALL sides?

8 Elektra Mindrapes or at least does something to distract him till Wolverine hits.

He gets past 7 due to webbing.

EDIT: Missed the no webbing part, scratch my post

Why did you take away his webbing?

1) depends on the suit BP is wearing and if its t'challa.

2) Silent scream or tornado Chi attack is his only chance to win..

3) DD gets his poop kicked in and neck snapped.

4) Elektra stops spiderman every time through TP attack.

If this thread is suposed to prove that Spider-man can't do what Gorgon can I can directly tell you that there are some factors missing.

I edited my post... no TP for elektra.

why would you bring that up?

just keep it to the thread

Originally posted by Parmaniac
8 Elektra Mindrapes or at least does something to distract him till Wolverine hits.

He gets past 7 due to webbing.

EDIT: Missed the no webbing part, scratch my post

He can't aim with that shit anyway.

So he's taking turn fighting them? Stops at 7 then.

Originally posted by SamZED
So he's taking turn fighting them? Stops at 7 then.

Yeah, he gets rest after each battle.

Originally posted by King Castle
why would you bring that up?

just keep it to the thread

I think I could probably be underestimating Spidey H2H skills and I want to see how far he would make it in a melee against some of the best fighters in MU.

stops at six and gets a savage adamantium beating, head butt, knee and throat rip from wolverine..

I find this to be more interesting with cis on.

Originally posted by King Castle
stops at six and gets a savage adamantium beating, head butt, knee and throat rip from wolverine..

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I find this to be more interesting with cis on. i agree. but wanna hear your reasoning

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I find this to be more interesting with cis on.

Why?

Isnt that the only argument people tend to use when Spiderman gets owned by martial artist?

BTW where do they fight? Is BFR an option?

Originally posted by carver9
Why?

Isnt that the only argument people tend to use when Spiderman gets owned by martial artist? well that and his spider sense wasnt working that day.

Originally posted by SamZED
BTW where do they fight? Is BFR an option?

Apokalips. Panther boomtubes his ass haw-som

Originally posted by SamZED
BTW where do they fight? Is BFR an option?

Melee, no bfring. Spiderman has to take them out.

In a neutral environment.

This pretty much cripples another of his powers.

Now he's almost as useless as Wolverine right Stilt?

Originally posted by Parmaniac
This pretty much cripples another of his powers.

Now he's almost as useless as Wolverine right Stilt?

Why does it cripples him if its a melee fight?

If he is faster than them, stronger, more durable, he should be able to beat them.

Yes, I did make this thread due to the Gorgon thread because honestly, I thought I could have been under estimating Spidey but you all are not convincing me that I was wrong since Gorgon is physically above anyone here and he would win every match that I put up.

He can't stick to things here which is aside from his increased stats one of two super powers he has (the other is the Spider Sense).

EDIT: Do me a favor and post the whole fight of Wolverine and Elektra with Gorgon then I show you what I mean.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Apokalips. Panther boomtubes his ass haw-som More like Spider-man boomtubes Panther's ass, current Panther is a chick.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
He can't stick to things here which is aside from his increased stats one of two super powers he has (the other is the Spider Sense).

EDIT: Do me a favor and post the whole fight of Wolverine and Elektra with Gorgon then I show you what I mean.

Wolverine and Elektra SNEAKS him (spiderman isnt crippled to a sneak attack in this fight).

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9397/gorgonvswolverineelektr.jpg
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/9397/gorgonvswolverineelektr.jpg

An injured Gorgon BLITZ them DESTROYING them before they get the chance to move another muscle. Look at what Wolverine say during this blitz (damn he's fast).

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/9397/gorgonvswolverineelektr.jpg
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/9397/gorgonvswolverineelektr.jpg

The end.

The funny part on those scans is after Wolverine and Elektra gets stomped... look at what Wolverine say while he's on the ground (when Gorgon blitz some shield agents)... JEEZUS.

So what is it that you are trying to show me?

What knowledge of Gorgon had Wolverine before this attack?

Cause he thinks "How many powers is this freak packing?"

Originally posted by carver9
Why does it cripples him if its a melee fight?

If he is faster than them, stronger, more durable, he should be able to beat them.

Yes, I did make this thread due to the Gorgon thread because honestly, I thought I could have been under estimating Spidey but you all are not convincing me that I was wrong since Gorgon is physically above anyone here and he would win every match that I put up. Well, just tell us what to do to cinvince you. I can post scans of him kicking the crap outta great MA fighters using his sspeed if that helps.

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8557/avengers2.th.jpg

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7766/bls1.th.jpg http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/7671/bls2.th.jpg

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/8905/amazingspiderman542014.th.jpg

http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/4452/contestofchampionsii041.th.jpg

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/9442/54228831.th.jpg

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/1201/if1x.th.jpg http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/7391/if2d.th.jpg

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/2823/kr1k.th.jpg http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/4854/kr2.th.jpg

Some more.

http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/4421/tm1z.th.jpg http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6359/tm2e.th.jpg



http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/5026/slsm1legioncps022.th.jpg http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/8663/slsm1legioncps025.th.jpg

Or moving so fast people with superhuman reflexes couldnt track his movement. Or post random feats of dodging dozen lasers from tracking device, going through a helocopter's roter twice while carrying someone, dodging bullets after they're fired, dodging a group of heroes/villains etc or going through a gauntlet of hundreds of supervillains. As long as it helps.

Stops at 7 , Wolverine has comparable speed (combat speed), better damage output, better durability and that pesky HF.

but to get back on topic, No Spiderman cannot replicate ALL of Gorgons feats, yes Gorgon would beat him in a standard forum rules fight. Yes Spiderman would have a hell of a fight with just Elektra alone with sais, no he wouldn't be able to do what Gorgon did to Elektra.

are we redefining the term great MA fighters to include Kingpin, osborn and random fodder and none established MA lvl metas?

Kingpin pwned Red Skull and Captain America, so you tell me.
Not Osborn, Bullseye, he's a great fighter.
There's no fodder at all. There's an upgraded bloodlusted Shang Chi, Iron Fist, Kraven and Hawkeye who has displayed crazy MA skills. Also Taskmaster and Domino, all are trained MA fighters. Taskmaster is a real beast.

And while im at it, here's a scan of Spider-man while trapped in time going through hundreds and hundreds of battles with super villains.

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/387/spidermanvillains.th.jpg

Originally posted by SamZED
Well, just tell us what to do to cinvince you. I can post scans of him kicking the crap outta great MA fighters using his sspeed if that helps.

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8557/avengers2.th.jpg

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7766/bls1.th.jpg http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/7671/bls2.th.jpg

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/8905/amazingspiderman542014.th.jpg

http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/4452/contestofchampionsii041.th.jpg

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/9442/54228831.th.jpg

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/1201/if1x.th.jpg http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/7391/if2d.th.jpg

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/2823/kr1k.th.jpg http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/4854/kr2.th.jpg

I'm aware of these feats and you are acting like I am saying that spiderman is slow... that's not what I am saying. Spiderman has speed but to think that he is above wolvy is ridiculous when overall wolverine has similar feats. By the way... did spidey have his spider sense in those scans.

Originally posted by Juk3n
Stops at 7 , Wolverine has comparable speed (combat speed), better damage output, better durability and that pesky HF.

but to get back on topic, No Spiderman cannot replicate ALL of Gorgons feats, yes Gorgon would beat him in a standard forum rules fight. Yes Spiderman would have a hell of a fight with just Elektra alone with sais, no he wouldn't be able to do what Gorgon did to Elektra.

Thanks.

Originally posted by SamZED
Kingpin pwned Red Skull and Captain America, so you tell me.
Not Osborn, Bullseye, he's a great fighter.
There's no fodder at all. There's an upgraded bloodlusted Shang Chi, Iron Fist, Kraven and Hawkeye who has displayed crazy MA skills. Also Taskmaster and Domino, all are trained MA fighters. Taskmaster is a real beast. Kingpin is overweight hoss.. he fights using his near superhuman strength damage soak as an advantage against redskull and cap and that was decades ago... he isnt a skilled fighter in the lvl 5 or 6 range..

he is lucky just being in the lvl 4 ...

so no..Kingpin isnt a great MA'er anymore then Luke Cage or Spiderman is b/c they have a particular advantage in a fight.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm aware of these feats and you are acting like I am saying that spiderman is slow... that's not what I am saying. Spiderman has speed but to think that he is above wolvy is ridiculous when overall wolverine has similar feats. By the way... did spidey have his spider sense in those scans. Again, same could be said about Deadpool. And Spider-man being faster isnt ridiculous, its common sense actually looking at confrontations. And yes he did.

Originally posted by King Castle
Kingpin is overweight hoss.. he fights using his near superhuman strength damage soak as an advantage against redskull and cap and that was decades ago... he isnt a skilled fighter in the lvl 5 or 6 range..

he is lucky just being in the lvl 4 ...

so no..Kingpin isnt a great MA'er anymore then Luke Cage or Spiderman is b/c they have a particular advantage in a fight. Feats > bios. And Kingpin isnt physically stronger than Cap. Yet was kicking his ass. Other scans work as well.

Originally posted by carver9
Thanks. Originally posted by Parmaniac
What knowledge of Gorgon had Wolverine before this attack?

Cause he thinks "How many powers is this freak packing?"

I need to know this for my point.

no one is using bio's bud... but to claim Kingpin is a great MA'er is faulty logic its like claiming Luke cage is one b/c he fought some ninjas

Originally posted by SamZED
Again, same could be said about Deadpool. And Spider-man being faster isnt ridiculous, its common sense actually looking at confrontations. And yes he did.

What does deadpool have to do with this? That's like me saying "since wolverine has given cap a much harder time than spidey, spidey is slower than wolvy".

Originally posted by King Castle
no one is using bio's bud... put to claim Kingpin is a great MA'er is faulty logic its like claiming Luke cage is one b/c he fought some ninjas Well, Luke is near indestructible. KP has givven trouble to lots of MA people with comparable strength. But yeah I agree, he isnt up there with Elektra or Logan. Still a great fighter.

Originally posted by carver9
What does deadpool have to do with this? That's like me saying "since wolverine has given cap a much harder time than spidey, spidey is slower than wolvy". Well, if we're to say that Logan is as fast because he's got some comparable feats, why not list all people who've got some comparable feats and say they're all as fast as Spider-man? Because I honestly didnt see that in their encounters.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I need to know this for my point.

During there first meeting wolverine got blitzed from him and then they worked together during the time wolverine was mind controlled then before this gorgon and elektra fought and she got blitzed and then shield filled both elektra and wolverine on all of gorgons powers before that encounter.

But then why is he asking himself that?

Originally posted by Parmaniac
What knowledge of Gorgon had Wolverine before this attack?

Cause he thinks "How many powers is this freak packing?"

He knew pretty much. I'd say his HF and damage soak were a surprise.

just compare how spiderman does against comparable enemies and you get your answer...

both Wolvie and spidey have fought the same villains in melee that alone should be all you need to make an informed decision the problem is some ppl dont want to acknowledge the results.

Vermin
lizard
shang chi
silver samurai
speed demon
blade

etc etc...

hell you got wolverine fighting both DD and spidey at the same time..

hell, if ppl werent so bias you can use the fight results between spidey and wolvie to acknowledge the regular winner or who comes out on top..

Originally posted by Parmaniac
But then why is he asking himself that?

Because he didn't know that gorgon would tank a stab to the chest by him and elektra like that. They both were aware of his stone stare, speed, and strength but during all of his fights, he basically ran through everyone that he encountered, so that stab was the first time gorgon was hit.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He knew pretty much. I'd say his HF and damage soak were a surprise. That's what I was assuming too otherwise the whole attack would be pointless.

Then my point doesn't work at the moment I'll have to do some research first ahah

Originally posted by carver9
Because he didn't know that gorgon would tank a stab to the chest by him and elektra like that. They both were aware of his stone stare, speed, and strength but during all of his fights, he basically ran through everyone that he encountered, so that stab was the first time gorgon was hit.

He got shot right before he stomped Elektra, IIRC.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He got shot right before he stomped Elektra, IIRC.

That's kind of different than getting stabbed in the chest by 7 blades and then still having enough speed to trounce both logan and elektra.

Originally posted by King Castle
just compare how spiderman does against comparable enemies and you get your answer...

both Wolvie and spidey have fought the same villains in melee that alone should be all you need to make an informed decision the problem is some ppl dont want to acknowledge the results.

Vermin
lizard
shang chi
silver samurai
speed demon
blade

etc etc...

hell you got wolverine fighting both DD and spidey at the same time..

hell, if ppl werent so bias you can use the fight results between spidey and wolvie to acknowledge the regular winner or who comes out on top.. Ok.. lets use the a>b>c logic if you like, I dont mind.

Spider-man has dodged an upgraded super fast super strong Shang Chi while holding back. He defeated Blade in 3 pannels without getting tagged once. Speed Deamon, can think of at least 3 times when Spider-man kicked his ass and surprised him with his speed. Venom, never seen Brock even try to use his speed against Wolverine, so doesnt matter. Then there are other characters like Puma. Who Logan admitted moved so fast he couldnt even think about using his claws (note, that happened BEFORE the poison had any effect on Logan) Wolvie even compared Puma to Sabertooth as far as I remember (And we all know Creed is faster than Logan). Spider-man has beaten Puma several times, dodged his claws etc. Iron Fist? The same guy who deflected bullets right back at the shooters but unlike Gorgon used his bare hand. Couldnt lay a finger on Spider-man in both encounters. Took him a cheapshot. Deadpool? Fought Logan, cut people to pieces so fast they didnt see him move, even dodged a bullet after it was fired. Couldnt cut Spider-man. But its the a>b>c logic anyway. I go by speed feats and encounters, and they suggest Spider-man is faster.

Ive been called biased before but only by people who dont know me well on the forum. Jinzin and BH know me better and they'll confirm that im not. Because I said it years ago, and i'll say it again. In a CIS on 1 on 1 fight I give Wolverine the majority over Spider-man. The fact that I aknowledge that Spider-man is still faster than Logan doesnt make me biased. It only means ive looked at their seperate speed feats, their encounters and fights and know what im talking about.

Originally posted by SamZED
Ok.. lets use the a>b>c logic if you like, I dont mind.

Spider-man has dodged an upgraded super fast super strong Shang Chi while holding back. He defeated Blade in 3 pannels without getting tagged once. Speed Deamon, can think of at least 3 times when Spider-man kicked his ass and surprised him with his speed. Venom, never seen Brock even try to use his speed against Wolverine, so doesnt matter. Then there are other characters like Puma. Who Logan admitted moved so fast he couldnt even think about using his claws (note, that happened BEFORE the poison had any effect on Logan) Wolvie even compared Puma to Sabertooth as far as I remember (And we all know Creed is faster than Logan). Spider-man has beaten Puma several times, dodged his claws etc. Iron Fist? The same guy who deflected bullets right back at the shooters but unlike Gorgon used his bare hand. Couldnt lay a finger on Spider-man in both encounters. Took him a cheapshot. Deadpool? Fought Logan, cut people to pieces so fast they didnt see him move, even dodged a bullet after it was fired. Couldnt cut Spider-man. But its the a>b>c logic anyway. I go by speed feats and encounters, and they suggest Spider-man is faster.

Ive been called biased before but only by people who dont know me well on the forum. Jinzin and BH know me better and they'll confirm that im not. Because I said it years ago, and i'll say it again. In a CIS on 1 on 1 fight I give Wolverine the majority over Spider-man. The fact that I aknowledge that Spider-man is still faster than Logan doesnt make me biased. It only means ive looked at their seperate speed feats, their encounters and fights and know what im talking about.

I do not think that you are biased but I do think you are very confused. Spidey isn't blitzing both wolvy and elektra at the same time... especially not an injured spidey. Spidey has faced elektra more than once and lost each encounter whereas gorgon seen elektra as childs play.

Spidey isn't gorgons equal... not even close.

Does that make spiderman slow or wolverine faster no because I'm not affraid to say that gorgon is much faster than logan either.

I know im not confused when it comes to Spider-man and Wolverine.
Gorgon however is a whole different topic, so maybe i am. But tbh Id rather see how it goes in a comicbook to make up my mind, I just dont like to apply the abc logic. I also believe its just a matter of time before Wolverine defeats Gorgon by himself, Gorgon is more or less a new villain. And that's how it goes in comics. Daken has blitzed Logan in their fist encounter. Not so much when they fought later.

I havent seen Elektra vs Spider-man tbh, only in ultimate universe. I know they teamed up in 616 on several occasions though.

Originally posted by carver9
I do not think that you are biased but I do think you are very confused. Spidey isn't blitzing both wolvy and elektra at the same time... especially not an injured spidey. Spidey has faced elektra more than once and lost each encounter whereas gorgon seen elektra as childs play.

Spidey isn't gorgons equal... not even close.

When has Elektra fought Parker?

Originally posted by SamZED
I know im not confused when it comes to Spider-man and Wolverine.
Gorgon however is a whole different topic, so maybe i am. But tbh Id rather see how it goes in a comicbook to make up my mind, I just dont like to apply the abc logic. I also believe its just a matter of time before Wolverine defeats Gorgon by himself, Gorgon is more or less a new villain. And that's how it goes in comics. Daken has blitzed Logan in their fist encounter. Not so much when they fought later.

I havent seen Elektra vs Spider-man tbh, only in ultimate universe. I know they teamed up in 616 on several occasions though.

I'm pretty sure they will fight again also and they fought solo before and wolverine end up winning...he made gorgon own power turn on him BUT before that happened logan was getting stomped by gorgon.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm pretty sure they will fight again also and they fought solo before and wolverine end up winning...he made gorgon own power turn on him BUT before that happened logan was getting stomped by gorgon. Yeah, think Ive seen it. I meant before Logan actually dominates in the fight. I believe its gonna happen some time soon. Cant say for sure ofcourse but just imo.

Originally posted by SamZED
Yeah, think Ive seen it. I meant before Logan actually dominates in the fight. I believe its gonna happen some time soon. Cant say for sure ofcourse but just imo.

Not happening... I can see wolvy teaming up with someone to stop him.

Originally posted by carver9
That's kind of different than getting stabbed in the chest by 7 blades and then still having enough speed to trounce both logan and elektra.

Eight blades. Of course it is.

He loses to all of them. He doesn't know MA.

Originally posted by carver9
Not happening... I can see wolvy teaming up with someone to stop him. Maybe not. But if it does happen I promise im gonna be a jerk about it.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He loses to all of them. He doesn't know MA.

He doesn't know how to pleasure a woman either.

Bendis told me she's (MJ) been cheating on him with Luke Cage all the time

.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He doesn't know how to pleasure a woman either.

Bendis told me she's (MJ) been cheating on him with Luke Cage all the time He had Jessica in his face.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He doesn't know how to pleasure a woman either.

Bendis told me she's (MJ) been cheating on him with Luke Cage all the time You sure it wasnt Luke's wife who was cheating with Parker? Thats why Luke was so pissed.

Originally posted by Crack
Neither do you as you're gay!

Parm, stop making sock accounts!

j/k

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He had Jessica in his face.

Poor trade if you ask me.

Originally posted by SamZED
You sure it wasnt Luke's wife who was cheating with Parker? Thats why Luke was so pissed.

I'm sure, I have scans. Oh, and Cage deflorated Parker's daughter in MC2 universe. Just google "mary jane luke cage", if you don't believe me.

do you need to to change the filter setting?

Yeah, it needs to be off.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Parm, stop making sock accounts!

j/k



Poor trade if you ask me.



I'm sure, I have scans. Oh, and Cage deflorated Parker's daughter in MC2 universe. Just google "mary jane luke cage", if you don't believe me. Yea Jane any day.