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No gadgets for Joker.Just H2h.

Who wins?

Isn't Jokers H2H feats all over the place?

Originally posted by the ninjak
Isn't Jokers H2H feats all over the place? Pretty much.Sometimes getting one shotted by batman and somestimes doing very well against him.

When has Joker ever done well against him?

Rorschach.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Rorschach. what....how?

Rorschach isn't in Joker's league.

Originally posted by Starscream M
what....how?

Rorschach isn't in Joker's league.
What exactly has Joker done in h/h that's so impressive?

Lex Luthor gave him a serious fight.

Originally posted by Mindset
When has Joker ever done well against him?
His first appearance, but that's not in continuity anymore.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
What exactly has Joker done in h/h that's so impressive?

Lex Luthor gave him a serious fight. well, I was factoring Joker's mental games

Originally posted by Starscream M
well, I was factoring Joker's mental games
Why do "mental games" matter in a straight fight?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Why do "mental games" matter in a straight fight? because that's joker's strength

he knows he's not gonna overpower his opponent...so he usually resorts to trickery

prob will act defeated and beg for mercy and then rip his opponents eyes out when they least expect it

Originally posted by Starscream M

prob will act defeated and beg for mercy and then rip his opponents eyes out when they least expect it
Lol that won't work with Rorschach.

Rorschach bites his ears off.

Rorschack stomps. Joker has good h2h feats and is currently being portrayed as a pretty decent fighter.

Originally posted by Mindset
When has Joker ever done well against him?

I can only remember him kicking ass in the Batman Beyond movie.
But that doesn't count.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
No gadgets for Joker.Just H2h.

Who wins?

Rorschach in a fist fight, but fist fights aren't really the Joker's deal.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Why do "mental games" matter in a straight fight?

No shit only Batman family falls for that shit. Anyone else like Punisher or Rorshach that are not in the Batman fam would kill him.

Rory

Originally posted by The Nuul
No shit only Batman family falls for that shit. Anyone else like Punisher or Rorshach that are not in the Batman fam would kill him.

Those are two guys, and their behavior is not admirable. Basically no other superheroes kill, that one time WW snapped Max Lord's neck excepted.

There is a crap load of characters that would take the joker's head off without a second thought. More so in marvel than DC, but specially in Image.

Originally posted by 753
There is a crap load of characters that would take the joker's head off without a second thought. More so in marvel than DC, but specially in Image.

Man, who counts Image anymore.

I like Image. Wish they could get their shit straight.

Originally posted by SimonComics
Those are two guys, and their behavior is not admirable. Basically no other superheroes kill, that one time WW snapped Max Lord's neck excepted.
Most of Wildstorm kills.

Originally posted by Eon Blue
Rory

That's a cutesy name for a psychotic fascist based on Mr. A. Ditko and his ****ing Objectivism....

Good to see Watchmen fanboyism hasn't faded.

Joker stomps.

I'd love to see what rorshach does to joker if he beats him.

Originally posted by Deese_Guys
That's a cutesy name for a psychotic fascist based on Mr. A. Ditko and his ****ing Objectivism.... that is true, but he was a pretty cool character nonetheless

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Good to see Watchmen fanboyism hasn't faded.

Joker stomps. sure he does, sport

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Most of Wildstorm kills.

The parts of Wildstorm that weren't riffs on existing properties at the other publishers are gone now.

You guys know what I mean. Not killing is sort of a big line for guys like Batman; icing people isn't an admirable trait to be celebrated.

And the larger statement of persistent supervillains is that you can never actually, finally defeat evil.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Good to see Watchmen fanboyism hasn't faded.

Joker stomps. sure he does, champ.

joker mindf*cks him by playing his black and white moral code against him.

joker has rorshach eating out of his hand at the end

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
joker has rorshach eating his face at the end



Seriously, Rorschack would not give a ****. He was well beyond joker's reach.

incorrect. rorschach and people like him whos view of things is incredibly black and white are actually very easily manipulated. and suddenly i dont care because im too lazy to explain the rest

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
incorrect. rorschach and people like him whos view of things is incredibly black and white are actually very easily manipulated. and suddenly i dont care because im too lazy to explain the rest no they are not. did you not read the novel? the life of trauma he endured and the nihilistic epiphany he underwent after that girl was killed forged a personality beyond reach. he wouldn't give a **** about the joker's atempts to confound his sense of right and wrong. Rorschack's worldview and conviction required no outside validation and were unfattered by criticism, common sense and even reason itself. no apparent contradiction in his actions is gonna faze him, he'll wtfpawn the joker.

Plus I don't see where Joker will get the opportunity to play mindgames.

Originally posted by 753
no they are not. did you not read the novel? the life of trauma he endured and the nihilistic epiphany he underwent after that girl was killed forged a personality beyond reach. he wouldn't give a **** about the joker's atempts to confound his sense of right and wrong. Rorschack's worldview and conviction required no outside validation and were unfattered by criticism, common sense and even reason itself. no apparent contradiction in his actions is gonna faze him, he'll wtfpawn the joker.

He's also a guy that would rather be killed than compromise, and that is very easy to manipulate indeed.

If you'll recall, the overarching plot is specifically about him and others being manipulated.

Originally posted by SimonComics
He's also a guy that would rather be killed than compromise, and that is very easy to manipulate indeed.

If you'll recall, the overarching plot is specifically about him and others being manipulated.
Joker isn't in the same position as Ozy was though. And in the end the only thing that saved Ozy from Rorschach was the fact that Ozy could beat Walter's ass in a straight fight, something that can't be said for Joker.

Originally posted by SimonComics
He's also a guy that would rather be killed than compromise, and that is very easy to manipulate indeed.

If you'll recall, the overarching plot is specifically about him and others being manipulated. I see, and how would the joker manipulate Rory into dying rather than compromising in a fistfight exactly? Ozzie had a decade of one-sided prep to play everyone including a god adn his atempt at manipulating Rorschack into compromising failed.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Joker isn't in the same position as Ozy was though. And in the end the only thing that saved Ozy from Rorschach was the fact that Ozy could beat Walter's ass in a straight fight, something that can't be said for Joker.