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Ares the God of War (Marvel)
http://aznbadger.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/583285-ares_marko_djurdjevic19cv_super.jpg

vs.

Wolverine (Normal i.e. no vampires, demons or whatever other idiocy is going on with the X-men)
http://bountybowl.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/wolverine36b.jpg

Stips: They start at a standard distance from each other. Battle takes place on a clear field. Ares has his axe and a sword. Wolverine has his standard claws.

Has Ares already beaten Wolverine once?

Ares acts like a brute no finese with his ace and sword swinging.. his healing factor isnt on par to wendigo nor Hulk's and Wolverine can work some damage on them two.. damage output that would ko, or kill Ares...

i'll give it to Wolverine 7/10 due to his agility/reflex/speed and fighting skills.

This was all there was to it:
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Thanks to AlmightyKfish

All it proves is that Ares is strong enough to rock Wolverine with his hits.

Originally posted by King Castle
Ares acts like a brute no finese with his ace and sword swinging.. his healing factor isnt on par to wendigo nor Hulk's and Wolverine can work some damage on them two.. damage output that would ko, or kill Ares...

i'll give it to Wolverine 7/10 due to his agility/reflex/speed and fighting skills.

Ares vs. his son:
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He might be a brute but his a skilled brute.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Gorgon is a walking plot device, who has been shown to date to be virtually unphased and unkillable by any conventional attack.

Alex has precog, and by all accounts is more skilled than Ares, even before Nick trained him. His speed / durability aren't enough to contend with Wolverine, Logan would open him up from navel to nasal and then head home.

I guess that's a no. Alex rocked him with a kick didn't he?

Alex has a limited form of precog/omniscience. Is there evidence that he knows how shit goes second for second? Because that's the kind of ability he'd need for it to make any noticeable difference in such a fight. From the limited number of Secret Warrior issues I read, his prediction didn't work that way and I've never seen his precog mentioned as a factor in any of his fights. Either way, Ares took him on.

Based on what is he more skilled than Ares?

If Alex's speed is enough to go blow for blow with Gorgon who beat the shit out of Wolverine, Ares' speed is enough to contend with Wolverine.

Hence the healing factor. If attacks from the Grasscutter can't put him down plus all the other shit he withstood, what makes you think he couldn't withstand Wolverine stabbing and slashing him?

the only comparable brick fighter that i can think of that logan has fought is DH2 and Ares is no Death Head.

Ares might be skilled but he is a brute fighter and his Healing factor isnt on par with the best..

DH is far more skilled then Ares in combat and he actually shows hit abilities and logan has bn able to severe his arm in close quarter fighting something i dont see ares growing back in mid battle and would be a sure sign of a spiral downward drop in survivability.

Originally posted by jinzin
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Death's Head II
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Wolverine and Death's Head have a knock down drag out of a fight, Wolverine eventually takes some bad damage (though he asks for no quarter) at which point the other X-Men enter the fray, and the situation is resolved before Wolverine engages in it again; Wolverine really does do a great job considering who and what he's up against:
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6. http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2171/10948000sr0.jpg

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This was all there was to it:
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z259/almightykfish/th_Aresskaar1.jpghttp://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z259/almightykfish/th_Aresskaar2.jpg
Thanks to AlmightyKfish

All it proves is that Ares is strong enough to rock Wolverine with his hits.

It proves he can "rock" Wayverine... not really sure what relevance that has to the actually Wolverine written by a competent writer though.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I guess that's a no. Alex rocked him with a kick didn't he?

Alex has a limited form of precog/omniscience. Is there evidence that he knows how shit goes second for second? Because that's the kind of ability he'd need for it to make any noticeable difference in such a fight. From the limited number of Secret Warrior issues I read, his prediction didn't work that way and I've never seen his precog mentioned as a factor in any of his fights. Either way, Ares took him on.

Based on what is he more skilled than Ares?

If Alex's speed is enough to go blow for blow with Gorgon who beat the shit out of Wolverine, Ares' speed is enough to contend with Wolverine.

Hence the healing factor. If attacks from the Grasscutter can't put him down plus all the other shit he withstood, what makes you think he couldn't withstand Wolverine stabbing and slashing him?

Look at their fight, Alex is clearly more skilled than Ares. Ares is just a tank and much, much stronger.

Wolverine actually fared better against Gorgon than Alex did. Alex and Gorgon clashed swords for several panels before Alex managed to land a glancing blow, then their swords broke and he was killed... Wolverine actually connected with his first two attacks in the first panels of the fight. Wolverine got through Gorgon's guard and connect flush blows several times, something Alex never did, if that is anything it is an indication that Wolverine is faster than Alex.

to be fare the recent written stories with Wolverine dont place him at his once established levels..

but let's be honest Logan has taken on average better punches from stronger bricks shrugging them off and continuing at a high paced fight.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW



Takes Class 100 punch to the stomach and mocks SS.

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/9431/wfc19031.th.jpg

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/2880/gsx08si1.jpg

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/7131/bcvsroughouse2zz7.jpg

Logan gauges his opponent's strength and Striking power to the mother of them all, hulk... just saying that is a hell of standard for anyone and it shows on average his brick fighting levels is pretty impressive if he compares ppl by the hulk standard.

Roughouse? Is that the Rock Troll or am I thinking of someone else? That's about as valid to me as Spider-Man placing that Green mutant from JMS' run at nearly Hulk class and then stopping his charge.

I'm not doubting Wolverine's ability to withstand damage. I'm not arguing Ares takes this easily or anything.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Look at their fight, Alex is clearly more skilled than Ares. Ares is just a tank and much, much stronger.

Wolverine actually fared better against Gorgon than Alex did. Alex and Gorgon clashed swords for several panels before Alex managed to land a glancing blow, then their swords broke and he was killed... Wolverine actually connected with his first two attacks in the first panels of the fight. Wolverine got through Gorgon's guard and connect flush blows several times, something Alex never did, if that is anything it is an indication that Wolverine is faster than Alex.

I suggest you look at their fight. Ares outmaneuvered Alex, and outfought him when he got pissed. The only reason he didn't end it was because Alex was his son.

Glancing blow.

I know two possible scenes you might be referring to. The first one was when Wolverine surprise teleported in and jumped a Gorgon who just withstood a missile. He even had the help of Elektra. I'm not sure how you would count that.

The second scene you might be referring to is when Wolverine flies into Gorgon (By surprise again) and knocks them off the building. IIRC, Wolverine slashed at him twice and went in close (Stopped trying to match his skill) and dirty stabbing him. Impressive no doubt but I'm not sure that would make him > Alex. And wasn't this all right after Gorgon withstood the ridiculous number of attacks from Shield plus Wolverine/Elektra?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It proves he can "rock" Wayverine... not really sure what relevance that has to the actually Wolverine written by a competent writer though.

Lulz.

I'll remember that.

We'll finish this tomorrow.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Roughouse? Is that the Rock Troll or am I thinking of someone else? That's about as valid to me as Spider-Man placing that Green mutant from JMS' run at nearly Hulk class and then stopping his charge.

I'm not doubting Wolverine's ability to withstand damage. I'm not arguing Ares takes this easily or anything.



I suggest you look at their fight. Ares outmaneuvered Alex, and outfought him when he got pissed. The only reason he didn't end it was because Alex was his son.

Glancing blow.

I know two possible scenes you might be referring to. The first one was when Wolverine surprise teleported in and jumped a Gorgon who just withstood a missile. He even had the help of Elektra. I'm not sure how you would count that.

The second scene you might be referring to is when Wolverine flies into Gorgon (By surprise again) and knocks them off the building. IIRC, Wolverine slashed at him twice and went in close (Stopped trying to match his skill) and dirty stabbing him. Impressive no doubt but I'm not sure that would make him > Alex. And wasn't this all right after Gorgon withstood the ridiculous number of attacks from Shield plus Wolverine/Elektra?

I agree witth rage on this one. The only time wolvy really got licks off of gorgon was through surprise attacks. He threw gorgon off of a roof and then proceeded at attacking him. If it was a straight up fight, none of that would have happened because gorgon confrontation with both elektra and wolverine proves this when he stomped the both of them pretty easily "while" being injured.

Now can someone show me the alex and gorgon fight.

As for the fight, ares is a different type of brick... he has speed, fighting skill, healing factor, high end durability, and super strength.

I honestly believe this is a good fight and I am giving it a 5/5 split because it could go either way.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It proves he can "rock" Wayverine... not really sure what relevance that has to the actually Wolverine written by a competent writer though. that's kinda true

dude fought gray hulk and held his own, and that's wolverine back in the day without the crazy healing factor

I forgot about Gorgon's telepathy. IIRC it allows him to read the minds and moves of individuals did it not? Which is why Wolverine had psy blockers given to him by SHIELD. As far as I know, Alex did not have such equipment. If he wasn't mentally shielded, that's another plus for him.

Ares , ares has only ever been killed twice , once by senty and another time by warrior madness thor both who are much above wolverine.

ares is also faster he has tagged people like sentry , and hermes both who can go roughly the speed of light. he also tagged nate grey even after he slowed down time around him and made everyone else statues(similar to zoom) and he concluded there was no way he could stop ares.
also ares beat balder , who has been shown to catch bullets with his sword and redirect them

that and also the fact he can beat up skarr , abomination, and colossus, all who would beat down wolverine

Probably Wolverine.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
that and also the fact he can beat up skarr , abomination, and colossus, all who would beat down wolverine
based on what? wolverine already beaten the shit out of abomination......hows it feel to be wrong again.........





also the nonsenses above about Ares being faster then Wolverine was a joke right? I mean you dont honestly believe that? I mean even you reasoning for hy you think Ares is faster seemed like a joke. Common you gotta be kidding.....right......

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
based on what? wolverine already beaten the shit out of abomination......hows it feel to be wrong again......... I think he's talking about A-Bomb the new Abomination.

EDIT: Not that it matters.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I think he's talking about A-Bomb the new Abomination.

EDIT: Not that it matters.
who a shittier version of the original?



true.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
based on what? wolverine already beaten the shit out of abomination......hows it feel to be wrong again.........





also the nonsenses above about Ares being faster then Wolverine was a joke right? I mean you dont honestly believe that? I mean even you reasoning for hy you think Ares is faster seemed like a joke. Common you gotta be kidding.....right...... has wolverine ever tagged speedsters?

tell me one single instance where wolverine tagged someone who can acheieve light speed
or else just hush

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
based on what? wolverine already beaten the shit out of abomination......hows it feel to be wrong again.........

skaar would beat the shit out of wolverine

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
has wolverine ever tagged speedsters?

tell me one single instance where wolverine tagged someone who can acheieve light speed
or else just hush

Thor... shifty

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
has wolverine ever tagged speedsters?

tell me one single instance where wolverine tagged someone who can acheieve light speed
yes numerous and dodged them, your just ignorant as usual.

Wolverine had thor pretty much admitt he was faster then him.........He kept pace with speed deomon...........dodged living lightning ect.

hows it feel to look stupid?

Originally posted by jinzin
Thor... shifty thors speed is inconsistant

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
thors speed is inconsistant That's actually very true.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
who a shittier version of the original?



true.

Why is he shittier? He went toe to toe with a full powered Rulk and it was a draw for all intents and purposes.

And he tanked adamantium talons from those harpies.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
yes numerous and dodged them, your just ignorant as usual.

Wolverine had thor pretty much admitt he was faster then him.........He kept pace with speed deomon...........dodged living lightning ect.

hows it feel to look stupid? speed demon is no where near light speed

show me the living lightning scan

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
thors speed is inconsistant
so are the three guys you used as example.....friggin sentry barely utilizes his speed and did not in any way shape or form utilize it as all in the Ares fight. please don't sit here and pick and choose your absurd logic and arguement.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
speed demon is no where near light speed
never said he was, you asked if he tagged a speedstir

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
so are the three guys you used as example.....friggin sentry barely utilizes his speed and did not in any way shape or form utilize it as all in the Ares fight. t. did you even read it? sentry was trying to blitze the shit out of ares

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
thors speed is inconsistant

So is Ares' didn't stop you from making your argument did it?

Originally posted by jinzin
So is Ares' didn't stop you from making your argument did it? so is wolverines sometimes

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
did you even read it? sentry was trying to blitze the shit out of ares
ares did absolutely nothing. Only time he go any hits in is when he snuck attacked Sentry and then he got raped an ripped apart.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
ares did absolutely nothing. Only time he go any hits in is when he snuck attacked Sentry and then he got raped an ripped apart. someone post the scans please.

Sometimes.... Sometimes is a minority... you're aware of that are you not?


On the MAJORITY of Wolverine's appearances/fights/feats his superhuman speed is something to be accounted for. He has some of the best speed feats done by a "street level" hero bar none.

You're argument for Ares is contradictory. He's so fast he can blitz somehone with a Zoom-like power but then you bring up the fights with Hulk/ Abom etc... fights where that level of speed was nowhere present.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It proves he can "rock" Wayverine... not really sure what relevance that has to the actually Wolverine written by a competent writer though.

were there any feats under 'way's' helm??
was he competent when he wrote those

if there were no feats my bad...

Originally posted by ankur29
were there any feats under 'way's' helm??
was he competent when he wrote those

if there were no feats my bad...

There's plenty of feats under Way, but it quickly became obvious that Way relies entirely too much on plot devices to move his.... *swallow* "plot" forward. He seriously can't decide where he wants Wolverine to be... he had Logan tank several full on blows from Skaar before being kicked across states and impaled on a tree trunk... Then he had a Japanese zombie whack him over the head and knock him out...

For a single writer he was wildly inconsistent with one character in one ongoing story arc.

ares digs his axe into sentrys ribs

http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/Siege_2_Legion_CPS_020.jpg

he cuts off sentrys arm, and sentry flies at him at full force

http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/Siege_2_Legion_CPS_021.jpg

EDIT: No arm was cut off

Originally posted by Parmaniac


EDIT: No arm was cut off just showing he did tag sentry

Edit: he cut off something either his arm or ribs

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
ares digs his axe into sentrys ribs

http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/Siege_2_Legion_CPS_020.jpg

he cuts off sentrys arm, and sentry flies at him at full force

http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/Siege_2_Legion_CPS_021.jpg
how does thta help your cases? only hits he landed was when Sentry held him in place......then when sentry utilized his speed he blasted Aresy through a wall......what part of that helps your absurd arguement that Ares>>Wolverine in speed?

That's not a feat of speed dude.


What you just posted was Sentry SUCCESSFULLY blitzing Ares and beginning to choke the life out of him... Then Ares chopping at him while he (Sentry's body) was in a fixed position grabbing at his throat.

That's not some uber speed feat. That's Sentry blitzing Ares.... TWICE and Ares unable to do a damned thing about it via his own speed.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
just showing he did tag sentry

Edit: he cut off something either his arm or ribs

No that's the wound from the axe leaking well.... spewing out energy and the Void beginning to seap out from the wound.. iirc

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
how does thta help your cases? only hits he landed was when Sentry held him in place......then when sentry utilized his speed he blasted Aresy through a wall......what part of that helps your absurd arguement that Ares>>Wolverine in speed? he didnt blast ares through the wall, he charged ares into the wall and in the next panel it shows ares jumping from the side like he dodged sentry, thats when sentry decided to grab ares and use his molecular manip.

but for the most part is was just to show you that he did do some damage to sentry

Originally posted by jinzin
No that's the wound from the axe leaking well.... spewing out energy and the Void beginning to seap out from the wound.. iirc was that stated or something? to me it looks like he cut open the left side of sentry

why has sentry even been brought up, sentry only got tagged as he wasn't himself

and sentry caught logans claws straight up

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
he didnt blast ares through the wall, he charged ares into the wall and in the next panel it shows ares jumping from the side like he dodged sentry, thats when sentry decided to grab ares and use his molecular manip.

but for the most part is was just to show you that he did do some damage to sentry
he blast Ars through the wall with his charge, your argueing semantics.

no he ripped Ares apart with his own strength.........



and? that does not matter at all, and your pretty much stone cold liar. You trying to pretend that feat equal Ares hitting some one at light speed, is laughable. Your a waste of time.

Originally posted by ankur29
why has sentry even been brought up, sentry only got tagged as he wasn't himself

and sentry caught logans claws straight up
he beeing brought up becuase colossus up there try to argue that hit sentry = being faster then wolverine lol

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan


no he ripped Ares apart with his own strength.........
that was molecular manip, even warrior madness thor didnt do something like that

want me to post the scan of ares fighting warrior madness thor?

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsAres01222.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsAresPluto02.jpg

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
that was molecular manip, even warrior madness thor didnt do something like that

naah man , it was strength

sentrys a beast

Originally posted by ankur29
sentry was a beast fixed biscuits

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
ares digs his axe into sentrys ribs

http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/Siege_2_Legion_CPS_020.jpg

he cuts off sentrys arm, and sentry flies at him at full force

http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/Siege_2_Legion_CPS_021.jpg

Even though both of them got their a** whipped, wolverine showing against sentry was better than this.

Originally posted by carver9
Even though both of them got their a** whipped, wolverine showing against sentry was better than this. Actually I disagree, Ares at least landed a hit, wjile Wolverine just got schooled.

Not that this matters for the thread.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Actually I disagree, Ares at least landed a hit, wjile Wolverine just got schooled.

Not that this matters for the thread.

Wolverine was landing licks but it wasn't doing any type of damage.

Really? I can't remember this tbh.

Originally posted by carver9
Wolverine was landing licks but it wasn't doing any type of damage. how is that better than ares slicing open sentrys ribs?

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
how is that better than ares slicing open sentrys ribs?

Uuummm, ares is a class 100 with a big a** ax whereas wolverine landed more (key word, more) blows on sentry but he didn't have the strength to injure him.

Of course ares could injure a high end character, he have the strength to do this vs logan. That's not my argument.

oh

That's still not a good feat for Logan vs. Ares in some regards. Logan's claws should make his strength factor near irrelevent... didn't go down that way.

i just want to point out that ares axe (adamantine) is supposed to be stronger than adamantium

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/7666/1133481-iherc138_0007_super.jpg

I don't think the strength of the substance is the issue so much as the capacity to cut. The cutting edge so to speak.

Originally posted by carver9
Uuummm, ares is a class 100 with a big a** ax whereas wolverine landed more (key word, more) blows on sentry but he didn't have the strength to injure him.

Of course ares could injure a high end character, he have the strength to do this vs logan. That's not my argument. Did Wolverine even land anything on Sentry?

Ares probably takes a majority. wolverine can get some wins though

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Did Wolverine even land anything on Sentry?
http://namea.net/Images/wolverine_sentry.jpg

If there wasn't more than this page then no.

EDIT:
http://www.freakcomics.com/images/wolverine_47/WOLV047006_col.jpg
http://www.freakcomics.com/images/wolverine_47/WOLV047007_col.jpg
http://www.freakcomics.com/images/wolverine_47/WOLV047008_col.jpg

yup, he got manhandled.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Did Wolverine even land anything on Sentry?

He did better. He managed to actually dodge/parry/avoid one of Sentry's attacks... and he was nowhere near 100% by the way.

In terms of speed and reflexes it's a much better feat for Wolverine when you use Sentry as a bar... but then again I don't think Sentry utilizes his abilities like he could or should.. which is exactly why I wouldn't put any credance in Ares doing the same.. if he did... but then again, he didn't.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsAres01222.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsAresPluto02.jpg
what are the point of these scans?

Apparently he thinks Warrior Madness Thor is somewhere in them... and failing to rip Ares apart in spite of trying......

Where he sees that? Yeah, I don't know either.

i think he is trying to imply that ares is a skilled warrior in Thor's class and in comparison Wolverine is not.. hence, Ares is superior to Wolverine b/c he fought thor head on, that's just my guess.

Originally posted by King Castle
i think he is trying to imply that ares is a skilled warrior in Thor's class in in comparison Wolverine is not.. hence Ares is superior to Wolverine b/c he fought thor head on, that's just my guess.

Nope. I wish it was that logical.....


but look...

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
that was molecular manip, even warrior madness thor didnt do something like that Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
want me to post the scan of ares fighting warrior madness thor?

here is ares tagging daken

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/7/74433/1477801-ares_and_daken.png

Actually Daken dodged it.

I have no illusions. In a comic book fight Wolverine would be portrayed as the faster, more agile warrior by a great deal of modern writers. Oeming excluded probably.

Now if you remove like 2/3 of Ares' enhanced stats and I have no doubt Ares will be matching Logan in the aforementioned categories.

It's just the way comics work. It just what needs to happen for their to be a fight. It doesn't even matter if Wolverine has the edge in speed (I disagree but whatever), Ares need only be fast enough to land blows and get his hands on him.

With Ares' -off panel- upgrade since Oeming wrote him, Ares beats down Wolverine in my opinion. The healing factor, upgraded physical abilities (I think his above beings like Colossus, Thing in strength now) vast fighting skills etc. is just too much.

Ares has only 1 poor showing since the Oeming mini as far as I know. That's pretty good for a guy who wasn't a real character less than 10 years ago.

Can't wait for the Oeming one shot coming out next month.

An Oeming writen Ares ongoing would be awesome.

oeming should write ares permanently

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Can't wait for the Oeming one shot coming out next month.

An Oeming writen Ares ongoing would be awesome.

So ares is back alive?

Originally posted by carver9
So ares is back alive? no he is still dead, pluto let everyone out the underworld to fight mikaboshi's forces

Nah his dead.

Was Ares being amped by Mikaboshi? As far as I can tell the only possible upgrade is the "no death" thing. So many people were focusing on Zeus that they forgot about the fact that Ares was holding his own against the newly empowered Hercules -who was holding back albeit- and survived an eye beam attack from Galactus.

Ares has been upgraded to the higher end Class 100 tier in my opinion physically.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Ares was holding his own against the newly empowered Hercules -who was holding back albeit- and survived an eye beam attack from Galactus.

only because death literally fled earth, making everyone pretty much immortal, that and the fact that ares is already dead

Their being no death doesn't amp one's durability as we saw by the people being torn up. It just means their souls won't pass on when they suffer injuries that would normally kill them.

Ares didn't have his skin flayed off his body or anything. He tanked the attack albeit hurt (Further proving the no invulnerability thing) and then got up with no visible damage.

And as far as I saw, their being no death doesn't give them a healing factor.

You could be right off course but I'm not seeing it at the moment. Does anyone know Pak's stance on it?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
As far as I can tell the only possible upgrade is the "no death" thing. that's a pretty big upgrade

True, and I wouldn't even bring it up if Ares was torn apart and shit, but he wasn't as far as I saw.

I don't understand why this wouldn't be something attributed mostly to Ares' durability. No Death =/= Automatic Durability Increase

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Their being no death doesn't amp one's durability as we saw by the people being torn up. It just means their souls won't pass on when they suffer injuries that would normally kill them.

Ares didn't have his skin flayed off his body or anything. He tanked the attack albeit hurt (Further proving the no invulnerability thing) and then got up with no visible damage.

And as far as I saw, their being no death doesn't give them a healing factor.

You could be right off course but I'm not seeing it at the moment. Does anyone know Pak's stance on it? i dont think galactus actually blasted them directly, he was surprised zeus survived, galactus said nothing about ares

i think zeus took almost all of that blast and they just tanked the little bit of it that got to them

He caught at least the back lash of the blast aimed at Zeus if not a separate attack.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
True, and I wouldn't even bring it up if Ares was torn apart and shit, but he wasn't as far as I saw.

I don't understand why this wouldn't be something attributed mostly to Ares' durability. No Death =/= Automatic Durability Increase honestly, I don't see how you can extrapolate a dead being's attributes to their live attributes

a dead being is very different I would assume from a living being

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He caught at least the back lash of the blast aimed at Zeus if not a separate attack. most likely back lash, he said nothing of ares still standing, if he did blast them he would be more surprised that ares survived more than anything

by the way isnt thanos invincible now because he cant die? thats the same thing we are talking about here

You don't understand. Ares didn't end up being a skeleton who comes back. That wouldn't be worth mentioning. He didn't seem to suffer any visible damage at all. That's something I attribute to his natural durability and not the "no death" clause. If he was blown apart and then reformed, I wouldn't mention this as a feat for Ares for example.

Originally posted by Starscream M
honestly, I don't see how you can extrapolate a dead being's attributes to their live attributes

a dead being is very different I would assume from a living being

I don't see why you can't in this situation. They aren't zombies.

They simply lack death. Olympians as far as I've seen are flesh and blood even when dead. At least under this writer.

There's a reason why Pak came out and told people to give credit where credit is due when it comes to Zeus. And he was the one who had Mikaboshi's horde in him.

If I saw this Ares lift up a Skyscraper, you best believe I'd use it as a feat for him unless it was attributed to him being dead or something.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't see why you can't in this situation. They aren't zombies.

They simply lack death. Olympians as far as I've seen are flesh and blood even when dead. At least under this writer.

There's a reason why Pak came about and told people to give credit where credit is due when it comes to Zeus. And he was the one who had Mikaboshi's horde in him.

If I saw this Ares lift up a Skyscraper, you best believe I'd use it as a feat for him unless it was attributed to him being dead or something. read my thanos comment

I did. I edited in a response.

You read my comment.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


If I saw this Ares lift up a Skyscraper, you best believe I'd use it as a feat for him unless it was attributed to him being dead or something. zeus shrugged off something that he normally wouldnt have...how is that not a major amp?

iOriginally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You don't understand. Ares didn't end up being a skeleton who comes back. That wouldn't be worth mentioning. He didn't seem to suffer any visible damage at all. That's something I attribute to his natural durability and not the "no death" clause. If he was blown apart and then reformed, I wouldn't mention this as a feat for Ares for example.



I don't see why you can't in this situation. They aren't zombies.

They simply lack death. Olympians as far as I've seen are flesh and blood even when dead. At least under this writer.

There's a reason why Pak came out and told people to give credit where credit is due when it comes to Zeus. And he was the one who had Mikaboshi's horde in him.

If I saw this Ares lift up a Skyscraper, you best believe I'd use it as a feat for him unless it was attributed to him being dead or something.

I agree with this.

Originally posted by jinzin
He did better. He managed to actually dodge/parry/avoid one of Sentry's attacks... and he was nowhere near 100% by the way.

In terms of speed and reflexes it's a much better feat for Wolverine when you use Sentry as a bar... but then again I don't think Sentry utilizes his abilities like he could or should.. which is exactly why I wouldn't put any credance in Ares doing the same.. if he did... but then again, he didn't. He spun around in a circle and got his claws grabbed? Or he got spun around in a circle by Sentry?

Originally posted by Starscream M
zeus shrugged off something that he normally wouldnt have...how is that not a major amp?

Zeus shrugging off a blast, something he wouldn't normally wouldn't do isn't a major amp. At least not after Pak came out and clarified that Zeus was only slightly stronger than an average Skyfather. Nothing major about it. Just saying.

However that's irrelevant as Zeus' increase in power was attributed to Mikaboshi.

If Mikaboshi was amping Ares as well, then the feat obviously isn't as impressive. If he wasn't, then it's fair game.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
At least not when Pak came out and clarified that Zeus was only slightly stronger than an average Skyfather. Nothing major about it.
No he didn't.

He paraphrased a sentence, and said he didn't want the feat stripped from Zeus... even with a confirmed amp. lol

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
No he didn't.

He paraphrased a sentence, and said he didn't want the feat stripped from Zeus... even with a confirmed amp. lol

He came out and clarified what Galactus' statement was intended to mean which was that Zeus was only slightly above an average Skyfather and wasn't accessing the full power of Mikaboshi or some shit like other people have tried to claim.


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/paraphrase

I don't see how him paraphrasing changes the meaning of the sentence. Seriously.

He didn't want it stripped from Zeus because the amp was not major.

And it should be noted that either Pak or Lente came out and pointed out that Zeus is weaker without his thunderbolt which Athena possesses. Have to find that quote.

How does "No mere skyfather could survive that" actually mean "You're a little bit stronger than a skyfather, but you survived unscathed"?
And how does a paraphrase mean that's it definite proof anyway?

Everything goes under question after an amp.

Which is relevant why anyway? Even following what you said as absolute proof, 'Zeus is a little stronger than normal'.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
How does "No mere skyfather could survive that" actually mean "You're a little bit stronger than a skyfather, but you survived unscathed"?
And how does a paraphrase mean that's it definite proof anyway?

Everything goes under question after an amp.

Which is relevant why anyway? Even following what you said as absolute proof, 'Zeus is a little stronger than normal'.

What you just said and what was actually said have two completely different implications.

Galactus: No....no mere Skyfather could so easily shrug off the power of Galactus.

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Translation: A Skyfather shouldn't so easily shrug off Galactus' attack.

Shrugging off and surviving have two very different meanings.

What Galactus actually said very easily translates into what Pak said.

Once again: Galactus said no Skyfather should so easily shrug off his power. Pak paraphrasing stated that this was Galactus saying Zeus is slightly more powerful than an average Skyfather.

Amusingly enough, Pak used Galactus' statement as confirmation Zeus was slightly amped.

I don't see the disagreement here...

everyone is on point in agreeing that Zeus was amped...


hence, logically it follows that ares was also amped

Zeus was amped by Mikaboshi's power.

It's unclear as far as I know that the same was done for Ares. I just find it unlikely that it would be anything notable if only a slight amp was given to Zeus who was actually being possessed by Mikaboshi.

actually if you guys see the next scan, ares lower body was completely obliterated

I thought that was Ares just getting up from being blasted with his lower body being obscured by the mist created from the blast.

Why the hell would his upper body be that much more durable than his lower one?

I'd need writer confirmation or additional evidence for me to be swayed into that camp.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I thought that was Ares just getting up from being blasted with his lower body being obscured by the mist created from the blast.

Why the hell would his upper body be that much more durable than his lower one?

I'd need writer confirmation or additional evidence for me to be swayed into that camp. after that blast...we never see ares legs again

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I thought that was Ares just getting up from being blasted with his lower body being obscured by the mist created from the blast.

Why the hell would his upper body be that much more durable than his lower one?

I'd need writer confirmation or additional evidence for me to be swayed into that camp. i think athena got comepletely destroyed also, she was right in front of ares in the previeus scan

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
No he didn't.

He paraphrased a sentence, and said he didn't want the feat stripped from Zeus... even with a confirmed amp. lol \
Lol really? That's like saying "it was all Zeus, except the parts that weren't"

He didn't say that. Here's his entire statement regarding Zeus.


Originally posted by Starscream M
after that blast...we never see ares legs again

I'm not about to check if we get a peek off Ares' toes but I am going to tell you it's asinine to assume Ares has no lower body just because the art panels focus on his face because his talking.

If you get confirmation from Pak, I'll happily concede, but so far the evidence is not....compelling.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
i think athena got comepletely destroyed also, she was right in front of ares in the previeus scan

Absence of evidence is not in itself evidence. And we also see Athena right after Hercules kills Zeus.

But yea, I'm done for today.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What you just said and what was actually said have two completely different implications.

Galactus: No....no mere Skyfather could so easily shrug off the power of Galactus.

http://s1d5.turboimagehost.com/t/4824783_Chaos_War_3_010.jpg

Translation: A Skyfather shouldn't so easily shrug off Galactus' attack.

Shrugging off and surviving have two very different meanings.

What Galactus actually said very easily translates into what Pak said.

Once again: Galactus said no Skyfather should so easily shrug off his power. Pak paraphrasing stated that this was Galactus saying Zeus is slightly more powerful than an average Skyfather.

Amusingly enough, Pak used Galactus' statement as confirmation Zeus was slightly amped. Ya, I don't care enough to get a direct quote. But what you said is even worse. Also, lol at the emphasis on the 'so'. How does 'so' easily mean slightly amped anyway? What he was saying was that Zeus so easily shrugged off his power, not that any Skyfather could shrug off his power, but it wouldn't be so easy... that shit would be ridiculous if he meant that.
Also, going by this, why would Galactus assume the blast was going to kill the Gods then?

He used his statement that was twisted to hell... also lol again at taking it as an absolute proof. The guy just seemed like he was trying to pinpoint what he was talking about. God damn literal fans.

Also what at Ares' dick half getting destroyed

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

I'm not about to check if we get a peek off Ares' toes but I am going to tell you it's asinine to assume Ares has no lower body just because the art panels focus on his face because his talking.
its not that hard to check...took me 10 sec

its odd that ares lower body is not shown at all following that attack

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Ya, I don't care enough to get a direct quote. But what you said is even worse. Also, lol at the emphasis on the 'so'. How does 'so' easily mean slightly amped anyway? What he was saying was that Zeus so easily shrugged off his power, not that any Skyfather could shrug off his power, but it wouldn't be so easy... that shit would be ridiculous if he meant that.
Also, going by this, why would Galactus assume the blast was going to kill the Gods then?

He used his statement that was twisted to hell... also lol again at taking it as an absolute proof. The guy just seemed like he was trying to pinpoint what he was talking about. God damn literal fans.

What I am getting from galactus statement is...

a skyfather shouldn't die from the blast but they also shouldn't be able to tank it in the fasion that zeus tanked it.

Now if he would have said "why are you still standing OR living after my attack" THEN you would have an argument.

^F*cking Carver understands it.

I am dissapoint.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Ya, I don't care enough to get a direct quote. But what you said is even worse. Also, lol at the emphasis on the 'so'. How does 'so' easily mean slightly amped anyway?

Haha how? Galactus said that no Skyfather should so easily shrug off his attack. How in the hell is that worse than Galactus saying that no Skyfather should survive his blast? Do you not fully understand the meaning and difference between the two statements?

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
What he was saying was that Zeus so easily shrugged off his power, not that any Skyfather could shrug off his power, but it wouldn't be so easy... that shit would be ridiculous if he meant that.
Also, going by this, why would Galactus assume the blast was going to kill the Gods then?

I don't give a shit if you think it's ridiculous. That being said, from everything I've seen, Galactus meant that although an average Skyfather would withstand the attack, he wouldn't be completely unphased by it.

Because Galactus is can be defined as arrogant at times? Pak wrote being flabbergasted. His Galactus being full of shit would hardly surprise me.

I've seen everyone from the Wasp -albeit he was starving- to Hulk to Thor surviving his eye beams. A Skyfather tanking it without any visible damage is where you draw the line?

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
He used his statement that was twisted to hell... also lol again at taking it as an absolute proof. This is why interviews aren't canon.

Lol at you trying to debate the clarification given by the f*cking writer of the story. No they're not cannon, but his word sure as hell has a lot more weight than yours when it comes to a book he wrote. This isn't f*cking Bendis where we should automatically assume what he says is bullshit.

it doesn't change the fact that ares lower body was most likely disintegrated by galactus beam

Originally posted by Starscream M
its not that hard to check...took me 10 sec

its odd that ares lower body is not shown at all following that attack

Not odd at all. Ares was being used as a narrative tool.

I think we only see a glimpse of his lower body once throughout the entire issue.

I don't think we ever saw Balder's lower body. It doesn't mean it's not their.

This argument is silly. You need to prove that his lower body was obliterated. The artist focusing primarily on Ares' head because he spent most of the issue talking isn't enough evidence.

Now I'm out.

i guess we should wait till the ares mini, though im not sure if the events in it would be after or prior to CW3

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
^F*cking Carver understands it.

I am dissapoint.
You think that's a good sign on your behalf?


Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Haha how? Galactus said that no Skyfather should so easily shrug off his attack. How in the hell is that worse than Galactus saying that no Skyfather should survive his blast? Do you not fully understand the meaning and difference between the two statements? Because what I said was better for the skyfathers if you want to get literal about it (because people don't accidently write the wrong word ever, like when you write "Cannon" later in your post).
Shrugging off>surviving. Do you dissagree?

lol at you getting uptight about me saying it's worse though. Jesus Christ.


Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't give a shit if you think it's ridiculous. That being said, from everything I've seen, Galactus meant that although an average Skyfather would withstand the attack, he wouldn't be completely unphased by it.

Because Galactus is an arrogant at times? Pak wrote being flabbergasted. His Galactus being full of shit would hardly surprise me.

I've seen everyone from the Wasp -albeit he was starving- to Hulk to Thor surviving his eye beams. A Skyfather tanking it without any visible damage is hardly crazy. K, it's not ridiculous, it makes perfect sense.

I don't think you understand what I'm saying here (shocker). I'm not saying that Galactus was going to kill them. I'm saying that apparently Galactus went from thinking they were going to die, to knowing that a skyfather could 'shrug' off his blast, going by your meaning.
Which is ridiculous, but you don't care if I think it's ridiculous (even though you're arguing with me...).


Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No they're not cannon Concession accepted.

Also, Pak is better than Bendis?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Not odd at all. Ares was being used as a narrative tool.

I think we only see a glimpse of his lower body once throughout the entire issue.

I don't think we ever saw Balder's lower body. It doesn't mean it's not their.

This argument is silly. You need to prove that his lower body was obliterated. The artist focusing primarily on Ares' head because he spent most of the issue talking isn't enough evidence.

Now I'm out. My proof, respectfully submitted:

1) Ares' initial appearance is shown with his legs

2) Ares gets blasted by Galactus...his lower extremities seems to get brunt of blast

3) We see Ares lift himself the way a guy without legs would off the ground

4) Ares appearances after blast do not show lower body at all

that's not insignificant evidence

Originally posted by carver9
What I am getting from galactus statement is...

a skyfather shouldn't die from the blast but they also shouldn't be able to tank it in the fasion that zeus tanked it.

Now if he would have said "why are you still standing OR living after my attack" THEN you would have an argument. That is not my argument...

My argument is that Zeus wasn't 'a little' amped just because of the statement.

Let me ask you something, just because I'm curious about this... But do you think that a skyfather should be able to shrug off Galactus' blast?

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb

Let me ask you something, just because I'm curious about this... before I agree or disagree to your assessment of the meaning.
But do you think that a skyfather should be able to shrug off Galactus' blast? that was a hungry galactus , he was summoned right before he started feeding , chaos war happens after thanos imperative

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
That is not my argument...

My argument is that Zeus wasn't 'a little' amped just because of the statement.

Let me ask you something, just because I'm curious about this... But do you think that a skyfather should be able to shrug off Galactus' blast?

I agree with some of your statement as well... he was amped and him tanking that blast proves this but what I am saying is that galactus wasn't trying to say that his blast would out right kill a skyfather, what he is saying is that zeus or any other skyfather shoud have been damaged from the attack instead of tanking it and I agree with that as well.

I guess I misunderstood you, I thought you were trying to say that the blast would kill any skyfather.

Originally posted by Starscream M
My proof, respectfully submitted:

1) Ares' initial appearance is shown with his legs

2) Ares gets blasted by Galactus...his lower extremities seems to get brunt of blast

3) We see Ares lift himself the way a guy without legs would off the ground

4) Ares appearances after blast do not show lower body at all

that's not insignificant evidence

Starscream, when I say this, please do not take this the wrong way but "this is a crazy a** argument".

If galactus did any type of damage to zeus"it would have been shown" just like any comic shows when a character is damage. It was stated on panel that he tanked it... tanked means 'no harm at all'. He wasn't damaged and if he was, the proof would be on you.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
that was a hungry galactus , he was summoned right before he started feeding , chaos war happens after thanos imperative Yes, I know. Irrelevant
Originally posted by carver9
I agree with some of your statement as well... he was amped and him tanking that blast proves this but what I am saying is that galactus wasn't trying to say that his blast would out right kill a skyfather, what he is saying is that zeus or any other skyfather shoud have been damaged from the attack instead of tanking it and I agree with that as well.

I guess I misunderstood you, I thought you were trying to say that the blast would kill any skyfather. No, I don't think he was trying to say that he would 'kill' them with a blast either. However, I do think he thought it would hurt them enough to set up the big kill. But him going from 'kill you' to 'I knew you could shrug it off, I just didn't think it would be so easy' is ****ing nuts, and that's being implied here.

No. Everything I'm saying isn't about what 'should' have happened, or who 'should' have won.

Originally posted by Starscream M
My proof, respectfully submitted:

1) Ares' initial appearance is shown with his legs

2) Ares gets blasted by Galactus...his lower extremities seems to get brunt of blast

3) We see Ares lift himself the way a guy without legs would off the ground

4) Ares appearances after blast do not show lower body at all

that's not insignificant evidence wait what

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Yes, I know. Irrelevant
No, I don't think he was trying to say that he would 'kill' them with a blast either. However, I do think he thought it would hurt them enough to set up the big kill. But him going from 'kill you' to 'I knew you could shrug it off, I just didn't think it would be so easy' is ****ing nuts, and that's being implied here.

No. Everything I'm saying isn't about what 'should' have happened, or who 'should' have won.

Yeah, I agree with that... and I do not believe that it was a small amp that zeus received either and that one scene is what makes me believe this. Everything you said is how I was picturing it.

Hit him with a blast, injure him to the point where he can't fight back, and finish him off.

Wolverine.

Ares 7/10. Obviously, it should be far more. FAR. MORE.

Nah. Wolverine can take him.

Ares has skill just look at his son phobos(who was trained by him)

phobos vs gorgan

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A katana.

lame.

How typical.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
A katana.

lame.

How typical. what do you mean?

Ares has skill because someone else showed a higher level of skill in play than he ever has?

This is like the "thanos is uber skilled cause he trained Gamora" crap.
You've never heard of a student surpassing a master?
Hell, most people who only train fighters are nowhere near the skill level of the fighters they train.

Originally posted by jinzin
Ares has skill because someone else showed a higher level of skill in play than he ever has?

This is like the "thanos is uber skilled cause he trained Gamora" crap.
You've never heard of a student surpassing a master?
Hell, most people who only train fighters are nowhere near the skill level of the fighters they train. ares has easily put phobos down

show me?

http://thumbnails11.imagebam.com/10739/106e8f107382473.jpg

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
what do you mean?

He's the son of a Greek God and he's using a Katana.

Lame.

It's as if you use a Katana your skill level is automatically given a little boost in comics. lol.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
http://thumbnails11.imagebam.com/10739/106e8f107382473.jpg

Pretty much what I figured...

The speed, agility, and skill Phobos uses in his fight with Gorgon is not mirrored by Ares in his fight with Phobos... he's just using his durability to tank shots and use that opening to overpower Phobos which is exactly what one would expect from the two.

That's not exactly uber skill there with the exception of one dodge (Maybe?) at the beginning.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
He's the son of a Greek God and he's using a Katana.

Lame.

It's as if you use a Katana your skill level is automatically given a little boost in comics. lol.
I wish Marvel would stop trying to let their Weeaboo tendencies spill into their Olympian titles.

Just look at the Chaos King. facepalm

I think they tried to salvage that by making Mikaboshi look completely un-Japanese like with this new Chaos King moniker.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I wish Marvel would stop trying to let their Weeaboo tendencies spill into their Olympian titles.

Just look at the Chaos King. facepalm marvel has weeaboo tendencies?

Originally posted by CosmicComet
He's the son of a Greek God and he's using a Katana.

Lame.

It's as if you use a Katana your skill level is automatically given a little boost in comics. lol.

lol I agree.. I do like red swords though.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/8194/Alan%20Scott%20KC.jpg

I like Alan Scott's sword construct.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
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I like Alan Scott's sword construct. Is Alan compensating? vin

oh you...

he's old. give him a break.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I wish Marvel would stop trying to let their Weeaboo tendencies spill into their Olympian titles.

Just look at the Chaos King. facepalm LOL I've never heard the term Weeaboo before, but the description on UD is priceless:

Someone who is obsessed with Japan/Japanese Culture/Anime, etc. and attempts to act as if they were Japanese, even though they're far from it. They use Japanese words but usually end up pronouncing them wrong and sounding like total assholes. You can find alot of these ******* clogging up the forums of Gaia Online, hanging out in the international aisle of the supermarket, or crowding the manga section of your local bookstore. Synonym of wapanese.