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Legion with all personalities (past & present)
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Legion wins this.

Originally posted by McNasty996
Legion wins this.

Give us your insight, let the board know why think he wins.

X-man deconstructs him

x-man stomps since legion can't control his own powers properly and is easily mindscrewed. in terms of concept, legion is the most impressive as his body can aparantly manifest an infinity of superpowers. I like his looks better too, but david's persona is as feeble as it gets.

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When the hell did Legion become capable of warping reality? A threat to the entire Universe? That was as random as Sentry vs. Molecule Man. He had powerful telekinetic, telepathic and teleporting capabilities but nothing anywhere close to that as I recall.

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i agree very random

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When the hell did Legion become capable of warping reality? A threat to the entire Universe? That was as random as Sentry vs. Molecule Man. He had powerful telekinetic, telepathic and teleporting capabilities but nothing anywhere close to that as I recall.


He's probably been capable of that since we found out that he wasn't just making new personalities, but every time someone died/he killed that his brain locked in on, he gained not just their personality, but their powers as well. Without us ever seeing it, guy gained over 10,000 new abilities and personalities, including an alien that cried blood and flew through stars to absorb their heat or something like that....warping reality is easily within his power set.

Originally posted by KingD19
He's probably been capable of that since we found out that he wasn't just making new personalities, but every time someone died/he killed that his brain locked in on, he gained not just their personality, but their powers as well. Without us ever seeing it, guy gained over 10,000 new abilities and personalities, including an alien that cried blood and flew through stars to absorb their heat or something like that....warping reality is easily within his power set.

That depends entirely on the parameters. Receiving random personalities from here and there can easily explain the new powers his developed but reality warping, a threat to the entire Universe? That shit is so out of left field. Yes, even if he absorbed a vaguely descriped alien personality.

His main powers were telekinesis, telepathy, teleportation/time manipulation. Other than that, his shown super strength, super human durability, flight, pyrokinesis different kinds of vision and shit like that. Being a Universal level reality warper is a far cry from that.

I've been flipping through the New Mutant's latest volume and he seems to have been taken to the next level.

I don't understand this fetish writers have with incredibly powerful but crazy/unstable beings. It's reached the point that they aren't special or unique, but just gimmicks.

It's out of left field, but not out of the realm of possibility or plausibility. Whose to say he didn't absorb another alien from some far reach of the universe who treated reality like a plaything?

Possible? Perhaps. Likely? Not really. I'd wager there aren't a lot of reality warping Universal level threats floating around in the Universe. Much less ones that die without it being noticed. You might as well have him gain the powers of Reynolds when he was killed if that's how his abilities work. Makes more sense to me.

Question: Can the crazy Legion access he powers of any of the other personalities currently?

Based on what I read, the crazy Legion was treated like a separate personality. The personality with the ultimate power. Depending on the answer, the power could be viewed as inherent to him.

I thought current legion consolidated a lot of his personality or at least got them to work in a cohesive way which is what triggered the sudden control.

IIRC, the Technarchy members said he manipulated reality.

I know.

This Legion is supposedly the True Personality. And the last time he flared up like this, was back in Legion Quest when he discovered his ability to manipulate time/space.

It could be that he now has a firmer grasp over time/space, to the point of manipulating reality on the whim. I am still in awe, at the fact that he applied this reality warp to kill a group of Elder Gods.

Staggering feat, against high opposition. /shrugs

Like I said, completely out of left field. Turning him into a crazy reality warping Universal level threat? I grew tired of those after Wanda and Sentry.

Omega Mutant? That term in itself means sh*t. Just like Gods, Elder Gods, etc. mean sh*t.

If attaching labels like Omega Mutants justifies reality warping, I'll begin preparing for Iceman taking out Galactus.

They should have left the high-level mutant reality warpers at MJJ and Jaime, imo. This all of the sudden/dues ex machina thing with Legion is just... Dumb.

He wins this match, though (obviously.)

in defense of legion, he was always uber, and if you consider mutant powers growing with age his current power levels weren't unpredictable.

not a fan or reality warping mutants other than proteus though.

^ Granted. Personally, I just think it's a bit ridiculous because it is such a big jump in power compared to the levels he's normally been shown at (from a feat standpoint.)

...Same reason I think Wanda's HoM feat is laughable.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Omega Mutant? That term in itself means sh*t. Just like Gods, Elder Gods, etc. mean sh*t.

If attaching labels like Omega Mutants justifies reality warping, I'll begin preparing for Iceman taking out Galactus.


Marvel have been prepping out Omega Mutants to be the next beings to replace the Abstracts themselves. For once I am glad we see a glimmer of this, otherwise members would baw, and call it a hype job.

Originally posted by "Id"
Marvel have been prepping out Omega Mutants to be the next beings to replace the Abstracts themselves. For once I am glad we see a glimmer of this, otherwise members would baw, and call it a hype job.

What? When? There was some sh*t about humans and such involving into Eternity's etc. a while back but other than that, high end powerful characters have been simply used as plot devices.

The term Omega Mutant means little and is in no way a justification of what he did. The term Omega Mutant probably means the least now since it's introduction. Writers simply have a fetish for high end crazy characters for some reason. Mutant or non mutant.

I don't understand why you're trying to defend the feat. Absolutely nothing I've seen from Legion justifies it in any way. It was completely out of left field.

You seem to have a preference for characters that are wanked a lot -Sentry, X-man, Marquis of Death, Legion etc.- based on what I've seen so I get why you'd like this, but Omega Mutant classification simply doesn't cut it.

No one's denying the feat or calling it PIS. I accept it, like I did Sentry vs. Molecule Man. Just pointing out the idiocy, randomness etc. of it and its unnecessary nature. That's all I've been trying to do.

Anyways, that's my two cents on this.

Personally I think that a lot of these mutants with reality manips will eventually sideline themselves or eachother eventually and become observers or wardens for the unstable ones.

They have even classified some magical users as omega class...uuuuuhhhh

what i got from that scan is that legion had been and underperforming reality warper all along, just like wanda, and the true legion personality is just able to access this power. i do not think he gained any abilities from the minds he absorbed, they just managed to access a portion of his powers to reproduce their own powers from their memories. As for how retarded the whole thing was, I actually like the story arc and its conclusion, specially the character development shown for sunspot, magik and legion, so I find his DEM power up entirely justified.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When the hell did Legion become capable of warping reality? A threat to the entire Universe? That was as random as Sentry vs. Molecule Man. He had powerful telekinetic, telepathic and teleporting capabilities but nothing anywhere close to that as I recall.

Did he not do that to travel back in time and killed Xavier? There were like 50 Watchers, watching him at the time at the time or something.

The AoA thing? IIRC, he only used time travel or some such in that feat. No reality warping. If he did, then I concede.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The AoA thing? IIRC, he only used time travel or some such in that feat. No reality warping.

I haven't looked at the issue in a while. Do you remember what all those Watchers were saying though? I think something about ending the Universe.

I remember some typical cascading effect thing and no actual reality warping.

Anyways, it's been a while. I'd have to see the scans to be sure.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


So in essence, because Psi powers allow one to defy physics, it's in essence reality warping?

Do you rank magic as reality warping too? I don't care as long as your consistent.

I think Psi users, are just that, Psi users. When they start manipulating reality, then I'll start classifying them as reality warpers. This applies to all categories, whether it's magicians or matter manipulators.

In lame terms Psi in its purest form is Mental Energy. Regardless if they are manipulating matter, energy, space, time, or reality. If its being done through psi, they are psionic characters.

Magic is a bit trickier. Since it follows its own set of laws.

Originally posted by "Id"
In lame terms Psi in its purest form is Mental Energy. Regardless if they are manipulating matter, energy, space, time, or reality. If its being done through psi, they are psionic characters.

Magic is a bit trickier. Since it follows its own set of laws. yeah technically anyone can do magic in some shape or form. It just requires the proper ritual, spiritual knowledge or perhaps the appeasement of some higher power or demon. Of course obtaining the knowledge is often a bit problematic as the mystic groups tend to be a bit secretive and avatars of gods tend not to share and avatars of demons have the nasty tendency of being wiped out rather quickly by "good"/competitor heroes/mystics and or being greedy with power.

What about hyperstormw? werent his powers psionic?

Originally posted by 753
What about hyperstormw? werent his powers psionic? yes.

there you have it then. the bridge between psionics and extreme matter manipulation/reality warping had already been bridged in the past. I dont see any reason to assume legion got reality warping powers from other organisms either

Originally posted by "Id"
In lame terms Psi in its purest form is Mental Energy. Regardless if they are manipulating matter, energy, space, time, or reality. If its being done through psi, they are psionic characters.

Magic is a bit trickier. Since it follows its own set of laws.

I agree, if someone manipulates or possesses powers through psionic means, they are psionic powered characters. I don't believe that has psionic powers is by default a reality warper.

As long as your consistent with your applications, I don't care. Not invested enough in the topic.

Glad to see I'm not the only one confounded by Legion suddenly displaying power levels this far off the charts.

(Never read AoA, but as I recall that was done by time-travel and not overwhelming brute force like here)

Any guesses as to who these Elder Gods were? Not Set,Atum,Chton and the others we knew from before surely? If not, they must have been from some other dimension as each living planet only have one group each as I understand it.

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Looks like he is back in Black!

Maybe just maybe, Legion vs X-Man.

and legion would stomp. in reality, SNG is likely to help him out with his fragmented mind

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Omega Mutant? That term in itself means sh*t. Just like Gods, Elder Gods, etc. mean sh*t.

If attaching labels like Omega Mutants justifies reality warping, I'll begin preparing for Iceman taking out Galactus.

Well he already beat Oblivion and the Stranger....

Legion wins

Nathan’s back, and bam. Promotional banner for this topic.
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Lets keep this topic moving. Legion can now accesses any power he wishes. Barring Reality Warping, How does this go?

from the ones he actually displayed on panel, SNG stomps

Nate.

Originally posted by "Id"
Nathan’s back, and bam. Promotional banner for this topic.
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Lets keep this topic moving. Legion can now accesses any power he wishes. Barring Reality Warping, How does this go?

He accesses the power to overrule your ban on reality warping glare

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
X-man deconstructs him

You know, now that I think about it, Derrida totally looks like a telepathic supervillain.

Anyone read the recent X-Men issues? Damn even depowered Legion is a beast.

Originally posted by "Id"
Anyone read the recent X-Men issues? Damn even depowered Legion is a beast. So is Rogue

Legion.

This isn't even fair anymore.

Still waiting to see how DnA write X-Man return. His words seem promising, on the fact that he acknowledges Nate as a true powerhouse mutant.

But Legion is on another level.

Depends on whether this is the David getting driven insane by his personas or not.

New Mutants 26 confirm that Nate has the capacity to warp reality.

havent read it yet, whats the scope?

Originally posted by 753
havent read it yet, whats the scope? Through a reality warp, he is distorting space making a room seem empty when its not. What is interesting, is that New Mutants 26 confirms X-Man has the capacity to warp reality. Before it was only hinted here, and there with a very minor showing.

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nice. still going with legion though. freaking awesome feat for doug too

According to DnA, fully powered X-Man is the most powerful X-Men where Legion is the most dangerous. O_o

Bull

Fight is on!

True Legion wins.

Legion just admitted that Nate was above him, and believesthat Nate is actually above the Omega mutant level. Guess we have to wait to see how it turns out.

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Beyond Omega level! My Scouter reads 1000000000. How boring.

Omega level mutant = a mutant with LIMITLESS potential.

Beyond omega level = ????

Beyond means he's actually realised that potential

Legion does go on to later just call Nate a "regular" Omega level. I think he was just giving the obligatory "over 9000" moment, like Beast did with Matthew Mallo

And yeah, Nate is coming off as superior right now. Although, the current writers also think global telepathy is the highest TP feat ever...

Legion

Nate took down David Haller and his entire Legion in his own mental scape.

Originally posted by "Id"
Nate took down David Haller and his entire Legion in his own mental scape.

Lol, I was just about to comment this. Just read the issue today.

So, Nate is above true Legion now?

Originally posted by Senor Cage
So, Nate is above true Legion now?
Looks like it.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
So, Nate is above true Legion now?

The Near Omnipotent Legion got his face wrecked by the Omnipotent X-Man.

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they are making x-man very overpowered these days