Moon Knight Vs Sabretooth

-K-M-

Originally posted by jinzin
What he said.

will do. He loses 10 of 10 then.

Are you familar with current MK?

Originally posted by Starscream M
his tech...what his remote control RC helicopter?

did he get major armor upgrades?

Yes, as noted it's better then his adamantium armor he had

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I havent seen anything impressive enough to make me think current moonkights armor or tech would do him any good here. Sabre-tooth is the same guy who while playing around has like 70% winning ratio against wolverine. Dude a monster, superhuman in everyway, has crazy blunt force durability and insane healing factor.

How much have you read then?

Yeah it's not like that;s something MK has ever faced before...oh wait.

-K-M-

Originally posted by King Castle
care to explain? embarrasment

He has sonic attacks, explosive darts, the angelwing (battle droid), anti-metal wave that would destroy adamantium, Carbonadium armor, etc

King Castle

i am still waiting for MK to die from RADIATION POISONING and also pull out his own CARBONADIUM SYTHESIZER!!

Dum Dum Dugan

Originally posted by -K-M-

Yes, as noted it's better then his adamantium armor he had

How much have you read then?

Yeah it's not like that;s something MK has ever faced before...oh wait.
To be honest I havent been keeping as updated as I should, I havent read much since he was injured and his apearance in shadow land.

Could you please elaborate with issue numbers or scans please.

jinzin

I'm honestly not. sad

Feel free to educate away.

Starscream M

KM, MK would lose to Wendigo, who got shredded by Creed. What say you?

-K-M-

MK is also apparently getting his superhuman powers back after Shadowland by killing his brother.

Dum Dum Dugan

Originally posted by -K-M-
He has sonic attacks, explosive darts, the angelwing (battle droid), anti-metal wave that would destroy adamantium, Carbonadium armor, etc
when was the last time he used angel wing? Ant-metal wave ever destroyed primary adamatium before? also sabre-tooth does not have adamatium

-K-M-

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
To be honest I havent been keeping as updated as I should, I havent read much since he was injured and his apearance in shadow land.

Could you please elaborate with issue numbers or scans please.

Yep, bare with me and I will compile some scans

Originally posted by Starscream M
KM, MK would lose to Wendigo, who got shredded by Creed. What say you?

MK has fought an army of Wendigo...and was winning

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
when was the last time he used angel wing? Ant-metal wave ever destroyed primary adamatium before? also sabre-tooth does not have adamatium

His new series, it's modified from his vol.3 days. Yes it has

I know, but somone above mentioned creed with the metal would stomp

-K-M-

Here's MK's recent battle with Deadpool (these scans I already uploaded I have to upload the others when I get home)

1. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/VengeanceofMoonKnight08pg08-9copy.jpg
2. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/VengeanceofMoonKnight08pg10copy.jpg
3. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/VengeanceofMoonKnight08pg12copy.jpg
4. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/VengeanceofMoonKnight08pg13copy.jpg
5. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/VengeanceofMoonKnight08pg14copy.jpg
6. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/VengeanceofMoonKnight08pg15copy.jpg
7. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/VengeanceofMoonKnight08pg16copy.jpg
8. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/VengeanceofMoonKnight08pg17copy.jpg
9. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/VengeanceofMoonKnight08pg18copy.jpg
10. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/VengeanceofMoonKnight08pg19copy.jpg
11. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/VengeanceofMoonKnight08pg20copy.jpg
12. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/VengeanceofMoonKnight08pg21copy.jpg

Mindset

Who wrote that? facepalm

-K-M-

Originally posted by Mindset
Who wrote that? facepalm

Gregg Hurwitz

Mindset

Why didn't he wikipedia Deadpool?

-K-M-

Originally posted by Mindset
Why didn't he wikipedia Deadpool?

He said he was busy

-K-M-

Oh forgot to mention current MK did better against amped Daredevil in Shadowland then the combined efforts of Iron Fist and Shang Chi. shifty

Dum Dum Dugan

Originally posted by -K-M-
Oh forgot to mention current MK did better against amped Daredevil in Shadowland then the combined efforts of Iron Fist and Shang Chi. shifty

scans? I love to see this.

-K-M-

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
scans? I love to see this.

Yep, I'm not home currently but I'll get them

Juk3n

Originally posted by -K-M-
Oh forgot to mention current MK did better against amped Daredevil in Shadowland then the combined efforts of Iron Fist and Shang Chi. shifty

Whats the conclusion to that then? He's either more formidable than Shang and Danny combined, or it was a PIS showing for either DD (lowend) or MK ( high end).

doesn't really help MK's case here. What has he got in the way of devices that would be more damaging than say, a grenade launcher round to the chest?

juggernaut74

Could Creed inflict any damage to MK?

-K-M-

Originally posted by Juk3n
Whats the conclusion to that then? He's either more formidable than Shang and Danny combined, or it was a PIS showing for either DD (lowend) or MK ( high end).

doesn't really help MK's case here. What has he got in the way of devices that would be more damaging than say, a grenade launcher round to the chest?

Ok?

Darts that have taken down buildings before, and sonics that made Hulk reel in serious amounts of pain

-K-M-

Iron Fist/Shang Chi vs. Daredevil

1. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/SL_3_Legion_CPS_010.jpg
2. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/SL_3_Legion_CPS_012.jpg
3. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/SL_3_Legion_CPS_014.jpg
4. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/SL_3_Legion_CPS_015.jpg
5. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/SL_3_Legion_CPS_016.jpg

Moon Knight (without his armor and weapons) vs. Daredevil (even sucker punched him)

1. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/SLMK_2_Legion_CPS_008.jpg
2. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/SLMK_2_Legion_CPS_009.jpg
3. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/SLMK_2_Legion_CPS_010.jpg
4. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/SLMK_2_Legion_CPS_011.jpg

Beauty seems I already uploaded them and forgot.

Mindset

Danny didn't even try to attack him.

MN got his ass kicked and punched him once.

-K-M-

Originally posted by Mindset
Danny didn't even try to attack him.

MN got his ass kicked and punched him once.

Yes he tried they even mention in the next issue they were no match for him

Yep and he put him through a wall (and spit out blood), while they couldn't even hit DD. Also DD sucker punched MK and that was a defenceless MK too.

Mindset

-K-M-

Originally posted by Mindset
Did they ever show it?

Cool, he put him through a wall.

What? them saying they were no match? Yeah, the following issue as Shang Chi called Matt the true master of kung fu

and made him spit out blood, which neither even came close to doing or even hitting him smile

-K-M-

Whoops sorry wasn't in SL #4 Shang said it, it was in a tie-in.

I'll see if I can pull up the scan. Sorry for the confusion.

jinzin

Originally posted by -K-M-
Yes he tried they even mention in the next issue they were no match for him

Yep and he put him through a wall (and spit out blood), while they couldn't even hit DD. Also DD sucker punched MK and that was a defenceless MK too.

At some point we have to agree on what reality is.

I would be "no match" for someone if I was trying to confront them with kid gloves and trying to figure out just what the hell was going on while they were attempting to pulverize me. But that isn't an accurate display of my fighting ability when I'm really in a fight.

Danny's actions did not dictate that he was effectively fighting BeastDevil. While Shang Chi did try to engage BD we have no idea to what extent that was. Was he amping himself to Spidey Levels? Who knows.. But while you can make an argument for Shang Chi at least attempting to attack BD you can't make the same argument for Fist.. because he.. just. didn't. erm

Your Moon Knight pictures are pretty impressive though but I don't know if we can really compare the two examples. It's hard to say because IF didn't get pounded into a corner and forced into retaliation. Though I don't think one ineffective punch is really a clear display that he did better than anyone against BeastDevil even if it did send him through a wall.

As for this fight.

Personally (and I'm going to be completely honest here) I haven't been reading Moon Knight for about the last 1 or 2 years now. I haven't kept up with him in any other books either so if he has a lot more suped up tech I'm not aware of, or powerups I missed, than I can only apologize for my ignorance.

My issue at this moment lies in the fact that while, I haven't kept up with MK recently (or any other comics for that matter) I was well familiarized with him for years and have pretty much the majority of his appearances in one fashion or another.

Thing is... As far as I ever saw, and this included when he was strictly superhuman with the waxes and wanes of the moon, and Adamantium armor... He was never geared up enough or enhanced enough to legitimately think about taking Sabretooth in a forum fight.
So it's a stretch of my imagination to think that this has completely 180'd in the last 2 years. To think that he's gone from an above average B/C lister to a full on threat against a tank like Sabres is hard to accept at the face value of a few statements.
Also...
You've made some statements about his gear being building busting and having better armor than his Adamantium stuff?

I think it would be terrific if you could provide some scans of this stuff in action and show it being his standard fare (if that's possible)...

Because as far as the armor; it's Carbonadium? Omega Red has Carbonadium armor stacked on top of superhuman durability and a healing factor and he wasn't too happy at getting slammed around by Sabretooth.
While MK may have some armor to what extent does it work? What would result in Creed slamming him back and forth or smashing him into the ground. Could he take Creed punching him in the face?
Is it Carbonadium from head to toe, or in segmented sections like some versions of his Adamantium costume have been shown to be?

You laughed at people for giving Creed a heavy majority in this fight. What kind of odds to you give him then... and why?

jinzin

BTW.. you're sig is creepy... no expression

-K-M-

Here's Shang and Iron Fist talking about DD's new skill and how IF commented he matched the Iron Fist. It's not the be all feat, hence my shifty smile after my original comment on it
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/SL_3_Legion_CPS_029.jpg

Oh I laughed at the 9/10 and 10/10 comments, and saying he has no chance. Concerning the odds it depends on what he brings and if this is adamantium Sabretooth or not.

Yeah in his new series he commented his current armor is better then his adamantium armor he had in vol.3. The armor is head to toe as he even used his armor to brace a falling building (holding it up), while he stepped out of it and fought in his underwear (and yes it did happen haha). I'll see about scans, anything in particular you care to see?

Trackz

It was durable enough to hold up a building, with his tech moon knight probably takes about 4/10 close fights.

SamZED

MK can take some wins with his tech, but he better not engage in CQC. Might not end well for him.

Trackz

Originally posted by SamZED
MK can take some wins with his tech, but he better not engage in CQC. Might not end well for him. I mean he does have a couple of gadgets that work well in close quarters and he has the carbonadium suit that leaves only his head open, he did cut deadpool to pieces but yea thats where sabretooth gets his wins from, the CQC

StiltmanFTW

MK took repeated punches to the head from some brick, that was pretty impressive.

SamZED

Originally posted by Trackz
I mean he does have a couple of gadgets that work well in close quarters and he has the carbonadium suit that leaves only his head open, he did cut deadpool to pieces but yea thats where sabretooth gets his wins from, the CQC tbh it had a lot to do with DP's CIS. But yes MK is better equiped than Wade and can take ST in cqc with adamantium sword, but imo not for majority.

StiltmanFTW

Originally posted by SamZED
tbh it had a lot to do with DP's CIS.

He did fight back for a while, mostly off-panel. C'mon, everytime DP says a joke, he isn't going all out?

SamZED

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He did fight back for a while, mostly off-panel. C'mon, everytime DP says a joke, he isn't going all out? Didnt mean the jokes. He didnt use a single weapon throughout the two issues. Or even wanted to. Only after MK pulled out the sword. For some reason Wade wanted to talk that one out. MK was bloodlusted, DP wasn't. Plus adamantim sword > DP's sword. Not taking anything from MK. He won, end of story. Jst saying Deadpool wasnt exactly fighting to his best. Or written that well.

StiltmanFTW

Originally posted by SamZED
Didnt mean the jokes. He didnt use a single weapon throughout the two issues. Only after MK pulled out the sword. MK was bloodlusted, DP wasn't. Plus adamantim sword > DP's sword. Not taking anything from MK. He won, end of story. Jst saying Deadpool wasnt exactly fighting to his best. Or written that well.

I asked you before to provide proof that sword was indeed made of adamantium sly

SamZED

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I asked you before to provide proof that sword was indeed made of adamantium sly You did? When? confused

Pretty sure all MK's current weapons are adamantium.

StiltmanFTW

Originally posted by SamZED
You did? When? confused

Pretty sure all MK's current weapons are adamantium.

A long time ago. Can't even remember what thread that was stick out tongue

What makes you so sure? The only evidence that might support your stance is the issue written by Loeb in which Spector's crescent darts pierced Fixit's hide.

SamZED

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
A long time ago. Can't even remember what thread that was stick out tongue

What makes you so sure? The only evidence that might support your stance is the issue written by Loeb in which Spector's crescent darts pierced Fixit's hide. I would've remembered that. schmoll I know he's used adamantium weapons before. Cant say for a fact the sword was adamantium though.

StiltmanFTW

Originally posted by SamZED
I would've remembered that. schmoll

I guess you didn't read that post. Happens. I can live with that big grin

Originally posted by SamZED
I know he's used adamantium weapons before. Cant say for a fact the sword was adamantium though.

Yeah, he used adamantium crescent darts (from time to time) and the truncheon, but that's it. You can't just assume that every weapon he uses is made of adamantium. Especially considering the fact that they clashed swords and Wade's one was fine.

Parmaniac

Wades sword has a HF

StiltmanFTW

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Wades sword has a HF

Apparently is as fast as classic Hulk's one if we can't even see the damage.

SamZED

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I guess you didn't read that post. Happens. I can live with that big grin

Yeah, he used adamantium crescent darts (from time to time) and the truncheon, but that's it. You can't just assume that every weapon he uses is made of adamantium. Especially considering the fact that they clashed swords and Wade's one was fine. never seen it, so never happened. miffed

Like X's sword with Logan's claws. big grin

But maybe it wasnt. Still, cis was there. Also sword, not the most effective weapon against carbonadium armor.

Trackz

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He did fight back for a while, mostly off-panel. C'mon, everytime DP says a joke, he isn't going all out? I mean there usually is a notable difference in skill between when DP is joking, and usually hallucinating, and when he's serious. I mean he almost killed Steve Rogers when he stopped fooling around (he was saved by moon knight)

StiltmanFTW

Originally posted by SamZED
never seen it, so never happened. miffed

You asked for it. Here I'm all WTF about you mentioning the adamantium sword and you outright ignored my post sam

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=12946773&highlight=sword+userid%3A116279#post12946773

Originally posted by SamZED
Like X's sword with Logan's claws. big grin

But maybe it wasnt. Still, cis was there. Also sword, not the most effective weapon against carbonadium armor.

I remember Logan's blocking X's sword. Did they actually clash?

True, MK's armor is awesome. I don't believe Marc allowed DP land any hits though biscuits

SamZED

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You asked for it. Here I'm all WTF about you mentioning the adamantium sword and you outright ignored my post sam

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=12946773&highlight=sword+userid%3A116279#post12946773

I remember Logan's blocking X's sword. Did they actually clash?
Man, you didnt even quote me, so I though you were talking to Par and didnt read it. Besides, you didnt ask me for proofs. evil face

Pretty sure he stopped Logan's attack.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

True, MK's armor is awesome. I don't believe Marc allowed DP land any hits though biscuits Speculation. shifty

But, yes. Awesome it is. Best part, when he fought upgraded Matt he didnt even have the armor on and still kicked some serious ass.

Originally posted by Trackz
I mean there usually is a notable difference in skill between when DP is joking, and usually hallucinating, and when he's serious. I mean he almost killed Steve Rogers when he stopped fooling around (he was saved by moon knight) QFT.

StiltmanFTW

Originally posted by SamZED
Man, you didnt even quote me, so I though you were talking to Par and didnt read it. Besides, you didnt ask me for proofs. evil face

OK, fair enough. Got lazy.

You were just jealous of Parm and put me on ignore, admit it... biscuits

Originally posted by SamZED
Man, you didnt even quote me, so I though you were talking to Par and didnt read it. Besides, you didnt ask me for proofs. evil face

Pretty sure he stopped Logan's attack.

Originally posted by SamZED
Speculation. shifty

But, yes. Awesome it is. Best part, when he fought upgraded Matt he didnt even have the armor on and still kicked some serious ass.

Yeah, he did... many times... just checked.

Too bad the issue itself sucked. I mean, the part in which Typhoid Mary appears to be attacking the ninjas* ruined it for me. There were some other inconsistencies, too - GR shouldn't be in that battle.

-K-M-

Originally posted by Trackz
It was durable enough to hold up a building, with his tech moon knight probably takes about 4/10 close fights.

This. Much more resonable then 10/10

Originally posted by SamZED
Didnt mean the jokes. He didnt use a single weapon throughout the two issues. Or even wanted to. Only after MK pulled out the sword. For some reason Wade wanted to talk that one out. MK was bloodlusted, DP wasn't. Plus adamantim sword > DP's sword. Not taking anything from MK. He won, end of story. Jst saying Deadpool wasnt exactly fighting to his best. Or written that well.

Errr? it was DP that attacked first and he was mocking MK. Also where did it say it was an adamantium sword?

edit: nevermind the adamantium sword issue has already been discussed.

SamZED

Originally posted by -K-M-
This. Much more resonable then 10/10

Errr? it was DP that attacked first and he was mocking MK. Also where did it say it was an adamantium sword?

edit: nevermind the adamantium sword issue has already been discussed. I know he did. But he wasnt bloodlusted like MK. Granted he fools around all the time but even CIS on he normally fights more ruthless than that.

Dum Dum Dugan

Originally posted by SamZED
I know he did. But he wasnt bloodlusted like MK. Granted he fools around all the time but even CIS on he normally fights more ruthless than that.
DP does not tend to try and kill hero's.

I think people dont realize sometimes that healers though have huge advantages, it can some times almost be a disavantage. Becuase they still hold back against hero's, not trying to kill them, while hero's they face have no need to hold back becuase they can't kill them.

-K-M-

Originally posted by SamZED
I know he did. But he wasnt bloodlusted like MK. Granted he fools around all the time but even CIS on he normally fights more ruthless than that.

You consider that bloodlusted? if you say MK was then you could say DP was as well as he wanted the sword fight. He tried...and failed.

-K-M-

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
DP does not tend to try and kill hero's.

I think people dont realize sometimes that healers though have huge advantages, it can some times almost be a disavantage. Becuase they still hold back against hero's, not trying to kill them, while hero's they face have no need to hold back becuase they can't kill them.

MK really isn't a hero (he kills, tortures, mutilates), and is actually disliked by most of the hero community. He is pretty much the same as Deadpool.

Dum Dum Dugan

Originally posted by -K-M-
MK really isn't a hero (he kills, tortures, mutilates), and is actually disliked by most of the hero community. He is pretty much the same as Deadpool.
I thought he was more akin to punisher then DP.

-K-M-

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I thought he was more akin to punisher then DP.

MK is a mercenary just like DP, and can easily turn into a villian while Punisher is consistent

SamZED

Originally posted by -K-M-
You consider that bloodlusted? if you say MK was then you could say DP was as well as he wanted the sword fight. He tried...and failed. Um.. No? Cause MK wanted to cut him to pieces while Deadpool didnt use a single weapon throughout the two isues and only pulled out one sword (even though he has two) just to "play along". He never tried to gut/shoot/stab MK even though had plenty of opportunities.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
DP does not tend to try and kill hero's.

I think people dont realize sometimes that healers though have huge advantages, it can some times almost be a disavantage. Becuase they still hold back against hero's, not trying to kill them, while hero's they face have no need to hold back becuase they can't kill them. Exactly. DP wasnt even going for the kill. Its not in his CIS to just gutt heroes. While MK knew he cant kill DP so was going all out. Context.

Dum Dum Dugan

Originally posted by -K-M-
MK is a mercenary just like DP, and can easily turn into a villian while Punisher is consistent
I know MK was a mercenary at one time, but he still consistently sells him self out as a mercenary? I thought that was more a thing of the past.

Trackz

I think there's a deadpool vs. moon knight thread already, and i think everyone pretty much agrees on Sabretooth vs. MK..sooo

-K-M-

Originally posted by SamZED
Um.. No? Cause MK wanted to cut him to pieces while Deadpool didnt use a single weapon throughout the two isues and only pulled out one sword (even though he has two) just to "play along". He never tried to gut/shoot/stab MK even though had plenty of opportunities.

Ummm...lulz what did you think DP was going to do with his sword? cut butter? Well he didn't get to as he pretty much quickly got put down by MK.

Where was this 2nd sword anyways?
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/VengeanceofMoonKnight08pg10copy.jpg

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I know MK was a mercenary at one time, but he still consistently sells him self out as a mercenary? I thought that was more a thing of the past.

Yes, he is even on the new Heroes for Hire team as he was in the past

juggernaut74

After seeing the DP vs MK fight it makes me think MK has a decent shot to win a few.

Dum Dum Dugan

Originally posted by juggernaut74
After seeing the DP vs MK fight it makes me think MK has a decent shot to win a few.
It should be mention, that DP not as fast, strong, or nearly as durable as sabre-tooth. It should also be mention, sabre-tooth doe snot suffer from the same cis (won't kill, hero's and so forth) as deadpool.

-K-M-

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
It should be mention, that DP not as fast, strong, or nearly as durable as sabre-tooth. It should also be mention, sabre-tooth doe snot suffer from the same cis (won't kill, hero's and so forth) as deadpool.

It should also be mentioned MK routinely fights Werewolf By Night and beats him, and we saw how the Sabretooth and WBN's fight went wink

juggernaut74

Originally posted by -K-M-
It should also be mentioned MK routinely fights Werewolf By Night and beats him, and we saw how the Sabretooth and WBN's fight went wink

I recall Creed getting beat badly in that fight.Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
It should be mention, that DP not as fast, strong, or nearly as durable as sabre-tooth. It should also be mention, sabre-tooth doe snot suffer from the same cis (won't kill, hero's and so forth) as deadpool. True. But DP is as fast and more skilled.

Dum Dum Dugan

Originally posted by -K-M-
It should also be mentioned MK routinely fights Werewolf By Night and beats him, and we saw how the Sabretooth and WBN's fight went wink

it should also be mention that werewolf by night was much more powerful back then, and that was prior to 3 upgrades for sabre-tooth, as was a very low showing for him.

Not sure how relevent that is.

SamZED

Originally posted by -K-M-
Ummm...lulz what did you think DP was going to do with his sword? cut butter? Well he didn't get to as he pretty much quickly got put down by MK.

Where was this 2nd sword anyways?
No. Just fight. Not kill. He doesnt do that. Not to the good guys anyway and MK would qualify as a good guy in his book.

Again, im not arguing that MK won or did well, he did. Im saying DP's CIS played a part in it, and it did. And to a bigger degree than it normally does.

Dum Dum Dugan

Originally posted by juggernaut74
True. But DP is as fast and more skilled.
He not as fast, he is slower. Yes he more skilled, but not by much, and sabre-tooth does not suffer from cis like DP does.

juggernaut74

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
it should also be mention that werewolf by night was much more powerful back then, and that was prior to 3 upgrades for sabre-tooth, as was a very low showing for him.

Not sure how relevent that is. More powerful? I don't think so because he was run off by a single gun-shot in that story.

-K-M-

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
it should also be mention that werewolf by night was much more powerful back then, and that was prior to 3 upgrades for sabre-tooth, as was a very low showing for him.

Not sure how relevent that is.

Yeah and MK beat WBN back then and after his various upgrades as well. wink

Originally posted by SamZED
No. Just fight. Not kill. He doesnt do that. Not to the good guys anyway and MK would qualify as a good guy in his book.

Again, im not arguing that MK won or did well, he did. Im saying DP's CIS played a part in it, and it did. And to a bigger degree than it normally does.

ummm...MK didn't want to kill him. He only agreed to pull out the sword after DP said he was unkillable.

Meh! if you follow MK he has one-shotted Wild Child and US Agent fighting him at the same time. The guy is a beast and doesn;t get the respect he deserves. So the whole Sabretooth would beat him 10/10 easily is not going to happen

StiltmanFTW

SamZED

Originally posted by -K-M-
Yeah and MK beat WBN back then and after his various upgrades as well. wink

ummm...MK didn't want to kill him. He only agreed to pull out the sword after DP said he was unkillable.

Meh! if you follow MK he has one-shotted Wild Child and US Agent fighting him at the same time. The guy is a beast and doesn;t get the respect he deserves Yes, but that is also the reason he could go all out without having to worry about killing DP.

That is definitely so. People think he's some poor man's Batman. And the guy is a beast.

Funny you mentioned Wild Child, DP did the same to him. He also fought people like Daredevil and Silver Sable at the same time, avengers (including Iron Fist, Herc, Goliath etc), recently almost killed Cap with his bare hands. I wouldnt say he's understimated in general but a lot of people do not realise how good he is because he tends to fool around.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He didn't even know who MK was. He knew MK was trying to save the guy Wade was hired to kill. And wanted MK to admit tha they're simillar in a way.

-K-M-

Originally posted by SamZED
Yes, but that is also the reason he could go all out without having to worry about killing DP.

That is definitely so. People think he's some poor man's Batman. And the guy is a beast.

Funny you mentioned Wild Child, DP did the same to him. He also fought people like Daredevil and Silver Sable at the same time, avengers (including Iron Fist, Herc, Goliath etc), recently almost killed Cap with his bare hands. I wouldnt say he's understimated in general but a lot of people do not realise how good he is because he tends to fool around.

yeah and he finished him quickly, but to say he was bloodlusted? Naaaaaa

When did DP one-shot Wild Child? During the Weapon X days? he was weaker then. Well if you want to get technically in one issue MK was taking on Thing, Strong Guy, Hulk, Weapon Omega, US Agent, Gambit, Nova, Iron Man, She Hulk, Wolverine, Psylocke and various others ...and was winning.

Dum Dum Dugan

Originally posted by -K-M-
Yeah and MK beat WBN back then and after his various upgrades as well. wink

I was referring to sabre-tooth upgrades.......

-K-M-

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I was referring to sabre-tooth upgrades.......

Gotcha.

Dum Dum Dugan

Originally posted by -K-M-
Gotcha.
He received something along the lines or 3 or 4 upgrades since then. He as strong as spiderman and as fast (or faster), he has crazy levels of durability.

SamZED

Originally posted by -K-M-
yeah and he finished him quickly, but to say he was bloodlusted? Naaaaaa

When did DP one-shot Wild Child? During the Weapon X days? he was weaker then. Well if you want to get technically in one issue MK was taking on Thing, Strong Guy, Hulk, Weapon Omega, US Agent, Gambit, Nova, Iron Man, She Hulk, Wolverine, Psylocke and various others ...and was winning. He wanted to cut somebody to pieces and said that he needed that to feel better. Sounds pretty bloodlusted. Also we dont know if it was quickly. Most of the fight went off-panel.

Ive read that. But it wasnt really an all at the same time on 1 kind of fight. It was more of a brawl with lots of chars taking turns fighting each other. Not exactly the same.
Hercules, Iron Fist, Captain America, Falcon, Goliath is not the only team Wade fought all by himself and at the same time. There were GLA, FF, Generation X, X-men, Killmonger/Wasp/Iron Man. And he either won or held his own against them with them al working together trying to put him down.. Well except Squirrel Girl, that doesnt count. stick out tongue

-K-M-

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
He received something along the lines or 3 or 4 upgrades since then. He as strong as spiderman and as fast (or faster), he has crazy levels of durability.

Yeah I'm aware, and that's not something MK hasn't faced before

Originally posted by SamZED
He wanted to cut somebody to pieces and said that he needed that to feel better. Sounds pretty bloodlusted.

Ive read that. But it wasnt really an all at the same time on 1 kind of fight. It was more of a brawl with lots of chars taking turns fighting each other.
Hercules, Iron Fist, Captain America, Falcon, Goliath is not the only team Wade fought all by himself and at the same time. There were GLA, FF, Generation X, X-men and he either won or held his own against them all. Well except Squirrel Girl, that doesnt count. stick out tongue

Nope, because DP wanted to do the same thing to him so you would have to say DP was bloodlusted as well. Also he doesn't want to go into bloodlust mode as he doesn't want to give into his moon god.

A brawl where those people directed their attack at him. GLA isn't something to brag about, nor is Generation X. What was the roster of the X-Men team?

Dum Dum Dugan

Originally posted by -K-M-
Yeah I'm aware, and that's not something MK hasn't faced before

Perhaps, but to believe he takes the majority, seems like wishful thinking in my opinion. Sure he puts up a hell of a fight, and even takes a few wings, but the majority seem doubtful.

-K-M-

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Perhaps, but to believe he takes the majority, seems like wishful thinking in my opinion. Sure he puts up a hell of a fight, and even takes a few wings, but the majority seem doubtful.

I never said MK takes the majority.

Dum Dum Dugan

Originally posted by -K-M-
I never said MK takes the majority.
then what are we arguing?

SamZED

Originally posted by -K-M-
Nope, because DP wanted to do the same thing to him so you would have to say DP was bloodlusted as well. Also he doesn't want to go into bloodlust mode as he doesn't want to give into his moon god.

A brawl where those people directed their attack at him. GLA isn't something to brag about, nor is Generation X. What was the roster of the X-Men team? But that's the thing. He didnt and he wasnt. Deadpool would never kill a good guy for trying to save someone. Fight yes, kill, never. While MK wanted to cut him to pieces. Big difference.

All the scans are in the R thread. Still, fighting a team that is working together just to put you down isnt the same as taking turn fighting different characters most of whom were fighting other characters as well.

Dum Dum Dugan

Sabre-tooth has a pretty solid record against x-men teams.

-K-M-

Originally posted by SamZED
But that's the thing. He didnt and he wasnt. Deadpool would never kill a good guy for trying to save someone. Fight yes, kill, never. While MK wanted to cut him to pieces. ig difference.

All the scans are in the R thread. Still, fighting a team that is working together just to put you down isnt the same as taking turn fighting different characters most of whom were fighting other characters as well.

Ummm...no. Because what you literally just typed could be copied and pasted for MK erm

Now where did it say he wanted to cut him to peices or even imply that?

MK has fought teams as well straight on, and they were trying to attack him. Even Wolverine attacked him from behind.

-K-M-

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
then what are we arguing?

Sabretooth beating MK 10/10 or 9/10 and with ease as people were claiming

Dum Dum Dugan

Originally posted by -K-M-
Sabretooth beating MK 10/10 or 9/10 and with ease as people were claiming
Oh then I have nothing to argue, I don't think sabre-tooth wins easily.

SamZED

Originally posted by -K-M-
Ummm...no. Because what you literally just typed could be copied and pasted for MK erm

Now where did it say he wanted to cut him to peices or even imply that?

MK has fought teams as well straight on, and they were trying to attack him. Even Wolverine attacked him from behind. confused

-K-M-

Originally posted by SamZED
confused

Uh.. no it couldnt. Because MK knew he cant kill DP and so had no problem in cutting him to pieces as shown on-panel. While Deadpool would've never even tried that. So yes big difference. One is going all out, the other is not.

and DP had a problem cutting MK? Except he cut him up, but didn't cut him to peices and stopped when DP said unkle. Interesting, and where did it say DP wasn't going all out?

SamZED

Originally posted by -K-M-
and DP had a problem cutting MK? Except he cut him up, but didn't cut him to peices and stopped when DP said unkle. Interesting, and where did it say DP wasn't going all out? "Not going all out" as in not trying to gutt/shoot/blow MK knowing that might kill him and DP DOESNT do that to good guys, while MK had no such concern as DP can't die. That's an advantage for MK.

As for the teams, MK was only fighting 1-2 people at the same time and only briefly before they switch to fihgt someone else. Then he'd go fight 1-2 other characters. And again only bfriefly, before they switch to fight someone else. Impressive? Yes. Still, not the same as fighting 6 superheroes at the same time that are all working together just to put you down.

Anyway, till tomorrow. Its getting late.

-K-M-

Originally posted by SamZED
"Not going all out" as in not trying to gutt/shoot/blow MK knowing that might kill him and DP DOESNT do that to good guys, while MK had no such concern as DP can't die. That's an advantage for MK.

As for the teams, MK was only fighting 1-2 people at the same time and only briefly before they switch to fihgt someone else. Then he'd go fight 1-2 other characters. And again only bfriefly, before they switch to fight someone else. Impressive? Yes. Still, not the same as fighting 6 superheroes at the same time that are all working together just to put you down.

Anyway, till tomorrow. Its getting late.

You act like he had all kinds of weapons, you even said DP had two swords...he didn't. MK isn't one of the good guys, and once again following your logic MK was holding back as well as he has far more weapons then a sword but he didn't use them but he could have. ZOMG MK WAS HOLDING BACK

It was far more then that, and MK has fought 6 supervillians at the same time as well and Im not talking about the Crusade scene.

Mindset

DP > MK

Let's just agree on that.

-K-M-

Originally posted by Mindset
DP > MK

Let's just agree on that.

The issue says otherwise wink

jinzin

Originally posted by juggernaut74
More powerful? I don't think so because he was run off by a single gun-shot in that story.

Which was a plot hole... I think he ran away because he didn't want to have to engage the townsfolk, not because he was afraid of bein shot at..

But yeah he was very powerful at that point in time.

Mindset

The issue had DP hooked up to ivs and too hurt to fight...

-K-M-

Originally posted by Mindset
The issue had DP hooked up to ivs and too hurt to fight...

becasuse MK wrecked him like no other cool

jinzin

Oy.....

Okay, I think we can ALL agree that Wade's swordplay shouldn't even be up for debate as to wheather or not it's superior than MKs... it should be. It's what he does, it's his entire career and it's not exactly like MK's on a higher tier of skill than DP either.

The issue treated DP's healing factor and swordplay like Open Season treated Sasquatch's healing factor and durability.

So let's not pretend as though that's the be all end all example of Wade vs. Marc in a sword fight... it was rubbish.

That said, sounds like MK has some vast upgrades since I dropped his title.
So how does Sabretooth win?

Badabing

King Castle

i have to agree with Bada.. there is precedence that MK might and more likely blind Sabretooth with his pale moon-i-ness

SamZED

Originally posted by -K-M-
You act like he had all kinds of weapons, you even said DP had two swords...he didn't. MK isn't one of the good guys, and once again following your logic MK was holding back as well as he has far more weapons then a sword but he didn't use them but he could have. ZOMG MK WAS HOLDING BACK

It was far more then that, and MK has fought 6 supervillians at the same time as well and Im not talking about the Crusade scene. He used his staff, his disks several times and sword. Its in his character. He rarely fights using all his arsenal at once. Whie Deadpool didnt fire a single bullet throughout the two issues. Anyone who's read more than two issues of Deadpool knows its out of his character.

And again.. no. The same logic CAN'T be applied to MK. Because at the end of the day, he was WILLING to cut DP to pieces. While DP wasnt trying to do the same to MK. Fact. More than that, he was fooling around (more than usually) so his CIS played a big part in his defeat.
Again, im not arguing that MK did great and won. He did. But actilng like CIS had nothing to do with it is ignoring the context, while actilng like the fight would've went the same way against say bloodlusted Deadpool is just wishfull thinking.

Most of those villains were fodder tbh.

Trackz

Originally posted by Mindset
The issue had DP hooked up to ivs and too hurt to fight... hasn't that happened before? I mean I remember once in the main Deadpool series he fainted after getting his leg chopped off.

SamZED

Originally posted by Trackz
hasn't that happened before? I mean I remember once in the main Deadpool series he fainted after getting his leg chopped off. in one of the latest team ups he on purpose cut both of his legs off to blend in with a circus crowd and was just fine. But you are right, that did happen, was written by Way and the guy is known for downplaying healing factors. And even his Deadpool was reattaching limbs and never needed medical attention.

SamZED

Deadline

So were rejecting all feats written by Way now?

SamZED

Man, you have no idea what we were talking about. Where did I say that we should ignore any feats?

Deadline

Originally posted by SamZED
Man, you have no idea what we were talking about. Where did I say that we should ignore any feats?

You didn't but certain posters seem to do that.

Trackz

Originally posted by SamZED
in one of the latest team ups he on purpose cut both of his legs off to blend in with a circus crowd and was just fine. But you are right, that did happen, was written by Way and the guy is known for downplaying healing factors. And even his Deadpool was reattaching limbs and never needed medical attention. I think he fainted when he got his leg cut off because he bled out before he could reattach the limb

SamZED

yeah, it was the bloodloss. But pretty sure he walked like that on purpose for a long time. Was playing "pirate". Way is a great writer when it comes to skills, but he kinda hates healing factors.

Dum Dum Dugan

Originally posted by SamZED
yeah, it was the bloodloss. But pretty sure he walked like that on purpose for a long time. Was playing "pirate". Way is a great writer when it comes to skills, but he kinda hates healing factors.
which I think spawns from fans (as in members of boards like this) back lash to venom on the run.

-K-M-

Originally posted by jinzin
Oy.....

Okay, I think we can ALL agree that Wade's swordplay shouldn't even be up for debate as to wheather or not it's superior than MKs... it should be. It's what he does, it's his entire career and it's not exactly like MK's on a higher tier of skill than DP either.

The issue treated DP's healing factor and swordplay like Open Season treated Sasquatch's healing factor and durability.

So let's not pretend as though that's the be all end all example of Wade vs. Marc in a sword fight... it was rubbish.

That said, sounds like MK has some vast upgrades since I dropped his title.
So how does Sabretooth win?

I agree with most of what you said, but FYI MK is a high level sword user has been since vol.2 and shown more often recently in secret avengers. Im sure the armor definetly helped in his sword battle with DP though

Originally posted by SamZED
He used his staff, his disks several times and sword. Its in his character. He rarely fights using all his arsenal at once. Whie Deadpool didnt fire a single bullet throughout the two issues. Anyone who's read more than two issues of Deadpool knows its out of his character.

And again.. no. The same logic CAN'T be applied to MK. Because at the end of the day, he was WILLING to cut DP to pieces. While DP wasnt trying to do the same to MK. Fact. More than that, he was fooling around (more than usually) so his CIS played a big part in his defeat.
Again, im not arguing that MK did great and won. He did. But actilng like CIS had nothing to do with it is ignoring the context, while actilng like the fight would've went the same way against say bloodlusted Deadpool is just wishfull thinking.

Most of those villains were fodder tbh.

Ummm lulz what fight did you read? Firstly he never used his staff, secondly he only used the darts once to destroy the mirrors and never used them on DP. So no your wrong he only used his sword on DP in that fight. You really should read it again as you are remembering it drastically wrong like your "DP having two swords comment"

haha no, he cut him up like DP wanted to do to him. The only difference is...MK won...DP didn't. Lulz your really grasping at straws, what basis do you have DP was fooling around? lulz you said MK was bloodlusted but that clearly wasn't the case. Your being a hypocrite.

Lulz, no they wern't

SamZED

Originally posted by -K-M-
I agree with most of what you said, but FYI MK is a high level sword user has been since vol.2 and shown more often recently in secret avengers. Im sure the armor definetly helped in his sword battle with DP though

Ummm lulz what fight did you read? Firstly he never used his staff, secondly he only used the darts once to destroy the mirrors and never used them on DP. So no your wrong he only used his sword on DP in that fight. You really should read it again as you are remembering it drastically wrong like your "DP having two swords comment"

haha no, he cut him up like DP wanted to do to him. The only difference is...MK won...DP didn't. Lulz your really grasping at straws, what basis do you have DP was fooling around? lulz you said MK was bloodlusted but that clearly wasn't the case. Your being a hypocrite.

Lulz, no they wern't Was talking about two issues in general. And yes MK did use the staff/stick call it whatever you want in the first issue. Key part, he was using weapons throughout the fights. Deadpool wasnt.

Ugh.. lets try once again. Again, you either fail to understand the context or do it on purpose. So ill try again.

Deadpool was not trying to cut/stab/gutt MK because getting stabbed/cut/gutted would kill him and Deadpool. doesnt. kill. good guys. ever. which was a disadvantage in the fight. While Moonknight wanted to gutt/stab/cut Deadpool seeing how he DID it and didnt mind doing it as DP doesnt die. Which was an advantage for MK. Heck I do not even complain about writer knowing jack about his HF, that's ok with me, happens. But CIS playing a large part in the fght shouldnt even be up to debate. Plus carbonadium armor for a sword fight. Not much to brag about really.

So again, context. MK going all out. Deadpool NOT going all out. = MK winning.

Yes, they were. C listers at best.

-K-M-

Originally posted by SamZED
Was talking about two issues in general. And yes MK did use the staff/stick call it whatever you want in the first issue. Key part, he was using weapons throughout the fights. Deadpool wasnt.

Too lasy to look for a face palm smilie, so just :facepalm: Again, you either fail to understand the context or do it on purpose. So ill try again.

Deadpool was not trying to vut/stab/gutt MK because getting stabbed/cut/gutted would kill him and Deadpool. doesnt. kill. good guys. which is a disadvantage. While Moonknight wanted to gutt/stab/cut Deadpool seeing how he DID it and didnt mind doing it as DP doesnt die. Which is an advantage. Heck I do not even complain about writer knowing jack about his HF, that's ok with me, happens. But CIS playing a large part in the fght shouldnt even be up to debate.

So again, context. MK going all out. Deadpool NOT going all out. = MK winning.

Yes, they were. C listers at best.

I have been talking about the one fight, and following your logic he could have used more weapons on DP...but he didn't so he must be holding back too. Also lulz if you think that's all the weapons MK has...so still following your logic MK was holding back. Awesome.

haha grasping at straws, no where was that stated or even implied. You think the only way DP could win is by killing MK?...so thus he would hold back? double lulz. He was egging MK on to fight him, he got his wish...but his wish turned into his nightmare..ouch.

haha so what factual basis do you have that MK was going all out while DP wasn't? is this like your mk has an adamantium sword comment?

What villians are you talking about?

SamZED

Originally posted by -K-M-
I have been talking about the one fight, and following your logic he could have used more weapons on DP...but he didn't so he must be holding back too. Also lulz if you think that's all the weapons MK has...so still following your logic MK was holding back. Awesome.

haha grasping at straws, no where was that stated or even implied. You think the only way DP could win is by killing MK?...so thus he would hold back? double lulz. He was egging MK on to fight him, he got his wish...but his wish turned into his nightmare..ouch.

haha so what factual basis do you have that MK was going all out while DP wasn't? is this like your mk has an adamantium sword comment?

What villians are you talking about? Which takes us back to my previous post. MK rarely uses ALL of his equipment at the same time. Its in his character. Doesnt mean he's holding back. He still used lots of his standart equip. While Deadpool uses guns/granades/machineguns all the time, but didnt with MK. And please stop saying lulz. Makes me feel like im talking to a schoolgirl or something.

facepalm at "nightmare"

It was both stated and implyed and shown on panel 100s of times that Deadpool doesnt kill good guys. How else would he beat MK with a sword other than killing him? Disrming him wouldnt have stopped the fight. Killing would've been an only option and killing is what Deadpool doesnt do to good guys. Hence the option goes down the tiolet. Simple as that. So no im not grasping at straws. Im listing facts you choose to ignore.

To put it simplier - MK had no reason to hold back as nothing he could do would permanently kill DP. While DP had a reason to hold back because he doesnt kill good guys. It was made 100% clear. Simple as 2+2.

Well, what villains are you talking about? If he's beaten a number of A list villains at the same time name them.

Deadline

I think Sam has a point but I think DP could have at least been able to defend himself with the sword or wound MK, it looks like to me he got owned.

I don't think it was implied or shown on panel though.

-K-M-

Actually he does all his weapons (he hasnt used a sword in years) and good lord your repeating the same thing and actually still don't back up your claims. I'm done. Also your facts as you claim are opinion and not stated or even shown in the comic themselves as shown in this thread your credibility when it comes to "remembering" details is shaddy at best.

-K-M-

Deadline

Originally posted by -K-M-
Actually he does all his weapons (he hasnt used a sword in years) and good lord your repeating the same thing and actually still don't back up your claims. I'm done. Also your facts as you claim are opinion and not stated or even shown in the comic themselves as shown in this thread your credibility when it comes to "remembering" details is shaddy at best.

I don't know, to an extent you're just ignoring him. DP was using a sword and he doesn't kill good guys. MK was using a sword and DP can't be killed, MK doesn't have a HF.

Originally posted by -K-M-

Bingo.

To be fair though I think its common knowledge now he doesn't kill good guys thats a given. I don't need any blatant evidence that if Punisher shoots at Spiderman hes aiming to wound or hes holding back because its been stated many times he doesn't kill good guys.

SamZED

Originally posted by Deadline
I think Sam has a point but I think DP could have at least been able to defend himself with the sword or wound MK, it looks like to me he got owned.

I don't think it was implied or shown on panel though. Thanks.

That's true but its not easy to make flesh wounds when most of MK's body is covered with armor and using defence alone wont do much good. Its eiter go for the kill or get killed yourself, and Dp would never kill MK. Hence the outcome of the fight.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Actually he does all his weapons (he hasnt used a sword in years) and good lord your repeating the same thing and actually still don't back up your claims. I'm done. Also your facts as you claim are opinion and not stated or even shown in the comic themselves as shown in this thread your credibility when it comes to "remembering" details is shaddy at best. If I wanted to remember details I would've remembered things like poorly written HF, or that writer never wrote DP before or wasnt even familliar with him that much. But im ok with all that even. Only shows im not being biased here.

I repeat the same thing because I thought you didnt understand me. Its just the fact that MK won isnt good enough for you, you want to lowball other characters by arguing facts. Its not just my opinion, several people who read DP before told you the exact same thing about his CIS and can tell he was not going all out, while MK was.

Ill say this again, MK won, and im prefeclty fine with it. But I wont act like Deadpool was going all out when he clearly wasnt just to suit somebody's argument.

Sorry if you took it personal.

-K-M-

Originally posted by Deadline
I don't know, to an extent you're just ignoring him. DP was using a sword and he doesn't kill good guys. MK was using a sword and DP can't be killed, MK doesn't have a HF.

To be fair though I think its common knowledge now he doesn't kill good guys thats a given. I don't need any blatant evidence that if Punisher shoots at Spiderman hes aiming to wound or hes holding back because its been stated many times he doesn't kill good guys.

I am, because he has already made inaccruate comments and made comments about things never said in the comic or shown. So why would I take it face value?

So does MK, but to say DP could only beat MK by killing him so he wouldn't try is down right laughable. Then he made the claim that because DP didn't use his other weapons he must be holding back...while in the fight MK only used his sword so he must have been holding back following that logic as well. Mk didn't even want to kill DP that's the point and when DP said unkle he stopped.

SamZED

Originally posted by Deadline
I don't know, to an extent you're just ignoring him.
Originally posted by -K-M-
I am
Says it all.

Originally posted by Deadline
DP was using a sword and he doesn't kill good guys. MK was using a sword and DP can't be killed, MK doesn't have a HF.
My whole point exactly. Its common knowledge. Glad some people debate with the knowledge about the character.

Trackz

KM maybe you should respond to his post in the MK vs. DP thread.

SamZED

Originally posted by -K-M-
Mk didn't even want to kill DP that's the point and when DP said unkle he stopped.
Doesnt matter if he stopped or not, he already stabbed DP enough times to kill an elephant. Because he knew DP can take it, so MK didnt have to restrain himself. THAT was the point. While Deadpool's CIS was still on and he would've never even tried to do the same to MK. Common knowledge.

Which means - MK was going all out, Deadpool wasnt. A big advantage for MK.

jinzin

No one's arguing that he's got a helping handful of skills.

What's being argued by me is that Deadpool should never lose in a sword fight against MK....
Hell I honestly don't believe that Wolverine should win a sword fight against DP, and his sword feats are heads and shoulders above MK and far more consistent.

The armor would HAVE to have played the deciding factor in that fight...

As far as this whole CIS issue is concerned, I think it's pretty clear that DP was playing around.. A LOT.

There's way too many insinuations in that writing to simply dismiss the notion that MK was unloading on Wade. The start of the fight has him questioning how long he can "hold back", and it looks like a lighbulb goes off as soon as DP tells him he can't be killed.

If that tells anyone anything it's that he was itching to blow off some steam and didn't have to restrict or restrain himself.. like... at all.

As Sam already said, anyone who's read more than 2 issues of DP would be able to figure out that Wade wasn't performing anywhere near his best or even trying to approach it for that matter.

If you want to use the example to show some of MK's armor in action, and insinuate he has sword skill as well as a sword which seeming came out of no where, then that's fine.
Otherwise though, DP was handled horribly in that particular fight if you want to use it as evidence of anything pretaining to DP. It's an out and out lowball and easily ignored in contrast to his entire career.

Now again... if MK is so suped up.. how does Sabretooth win?

juggernaut74

How can Creed get past MK's armor?

Trackz

Originally posted by SamZED
Doesnt matter if he stopped or not, he already stabbed DP enough times to kill an elephant. Because he knew DP can take it, so MK didnt have to restrain himself. THAT was the point. While Deadpool's CIS was still on and he would've never even tried to do the same to MK. Common knowledge.

Which means - MK was going all out, Deadpool wasnt. A big advantage for MK.

Moon Knight isn't exactly viewed as a good guy, he's viewed more as the Punisher and Deadpool almost killed him in their fights.

also this should probably be taken elsewhere

Deadline

Originally posted by Trackz
Moon Knight isn't exactly viewed as a good guy, he's viewed more as the Punisher and Deadpool almost killed him in their fights.

Nope MK is a long away from Punisher (there are some similarities) thats why Daredevil actually wanted MK to team up with him to hunt the Punisher. They team up from time to time that don't mean hes viewed like the Punisher.

In their last fight DP didn't nearly kill Punisher and he was using blunt force trauma so he could let rip more. DP doesn't kill good guys anymore, and he didn't want to kill Punisher either.

I dunno this is related to the topic of the thread.

Trackz

Originally posted by Deadline
Nope MK is a long away from Punisher (there are some similarities) thats why Daredevil actually wanted MK to team up with him to hunt the Punisher. They team up from time to time that don't mean hes viewed like the Punisher.

In their last fight DP didn't nearly kill Punisher and he was using blunt force trauma so he could let rip more. DP doesn't kill good guys anymore, and he didn't want to kill Punisher either.

I dunno this is related to the topic of the thread.
moon knight was viewed as a maniac by the public when he first came back and spiderman went off on him too because of the way he mutilated his enemies.

remember when DP pulled him out and they fell a couple of stories, that could've possibly killed punisher

and it's not

SamZED

DP can get carried away (especially after getting electrocuted) but he'd never on purpose kill good guys. Even when he was an ordinary merc he'd only take hits if he believed the target deserved to die. Sure his understanding of good is pretty twisted but despite their track record, MK and Frank are the good guys to him. Besides he just met MK when he was trying to save the guy Wade was hired to kill. A thing only a hero would do.

Trackz

Originally posted by SamZED
DP can get carried away (especially after getting electrocuted) but he'd never on purpose kill good guys. Even when he was an ordinary merc he'd only take hits if he believed the target deserved to die. Sure his understanding of good is pretty twisted but despite their track record, MK and Frank are the good guys to him. Besides he just met MK when he was trying to save the guy Wade was hired to kill. A thing only a hero would do. Didn't he kill a pizza guy? ahaha

SamZED

Originally posted by Trackz
Didn't he kill a pizza guy? ahaha lol yeah. That's exacty what I was thinking when I said "twisted understanding of good". But the jerk kinda deserved it. stick out tongue

Deadline

Originally posted by Trackz
moon knight was viewed as a maniac by the public when he first came back and spiderman went off on him too because of the way he mutilated his enemies.

Ok wasn't aware of that but still theres a reason why Steve wanted MK on the Secret Avengers and not Punisher, MK by and large for his whole career isn't as bad as Punisher.

Originally posted by Trackz

remember when DP pulled him out and they fell a couple of stories, that could've possibly killed punisher

Unlikely. I'm talking about there last fight anwyay. DP doesn't kill good guys anymore, he did back then.

Originally posted by Trackz

and it's not

Of course it is.

Originally posted by Trackz
Didn't he kill a pizza guy? ahaha

I don't think he deserved to die, but that guy was a basterd. Thats why DP is an anti-hero.

Originally posted by -K-M-
I am, because he has already made inaccruate comments and made comments about things never said in the comic or shown. So why would I take it face value?

So does MK, but to say DP could only beat MK by killing him so he wouldn't try is down right laughable. Then he made the claim that because DP didn't use his other weapons he must be holding back...while in the fight MK only used his sword so he must have been holding back following that logic as well.

I think the problem is that because part of his argument is faulty you are then generalising and acting like his whole argument is faulty. Stating that he was holding back because he wasn't using certain weapons is faulty etc but not the rest of his argument.

You're kinda dodging the point we don't need any on panel evidence because its already been established in other issues that he doesn't kill good guys.

Originally posted by -K-M-

Mk didn't even want to kill DP that's the point and when DP said unkle he stopped.

No it isn't though. The point is that MK realised that DP had a HF so he could use lethal force and didn't need to hold back. DP can't use lethal force and on top of that he's fighting a skilled opponent with armour. Him stopping is irrelevant because he was already using lethal force. MK stopping just indcates he didn't want to prolong DP's agony, MK had already won why carry on chopping him up?