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John McClane is in place of Martin Riggs. Murtaugh is his partner. McClane must complete the following missions. He obviously has access to the same weaponry/gear that Riggs did, and has the support of the same people that Riggs did.


MISSION ONE: McClane is Murtaugh's new partner. There is tension between them, just as there was between Riggs and Murtaugh. Together they must take on General McAllister, win the day, as Riggs did.


MISSION TWO: McClane and Murtaugh take on the South Africans. Pretty simple.


MISSION THREE: McClane and Murtaugh team with Lorna Cole to take on Jack Travis. Obviously there is no romance between Mac and Lorna.

MISSION FOUR: Mac and Murtaugh against the Triad. Same events as LW4, again, pretty simple.




Like Riggs in the Riggs thread, McClane does not have to do everything that Riggs did, all that matters is that he wins the day. Boss battles, again, McClane must complete them.



So, does McClane clear? If not, how far does he get? Bear in mind that Mac is in his prime (DH1 and 2) for all four missions.

I reckon because McClane doesn't have a relationship with the blond from LW2 he doesn't discover her body.
Therefore he has no grounds for murdering the South Africans.
The South Africans go home unharmed.

He clears the rest.

Originally posted by the ninjak
I reckon because McClane doesn't have a relationship with the blond from LW2 he doesn't discover her body.
Therefore he has no grounds for murdering the South Africans.
The South Africans go home unharmed.

He clears the rest.


Well, obviously they'll pick someone near and dear to McClane.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Well, obviously they'll pick someone near and dear to McClane.

Fair enough they did kill her just because she was with Riggs so.....

Or that scene, where Riggs came outta the water and killed those guys, maybe Mac is simply pissed because they're GONNA kill someone close to him.

If anyone killed anyone close to John, they'd be instantly dead. We all know this.

Nah, he's a mortal man with mortal powers. They'd likely be dead, but he'd have to find them and kill them.

Nice thread Rj. I think McClane would be able to take scenario 2-4 easily. I'm not sure if he would be able to clear scenario 1 because i'm not sure whether or not he would be able to escape the shock torture. I'm sure he'd be able to put up with the pain but i don't know about escaping. Although, i don't know that he'd be captured because i doubt he would have situated himself in the same position with a sniper rifle where Riggs did. McClane seems more like an in your face kind of guy. I think he would probably have rigged the surrounding area with explosives some how lol

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Nice thread Rj. I think McClane would be able to take scenario 2-4 easily. I'm not sure if he would be able to clear scenario 1 because i'm not sure whether or not he would be able to escape the shock torture. I'm sure he'd be able to put up with the pain but i don't know about escaping. Although, i don't know that he'd be captured because i doubt he would have situated himself in the same position with a sniper rifle where Riggs did. McClane seems more like an in your face kind of guy. I think he would probably have rigged the surrounding area with explosives some how lol Good point about the shock torture, never thought about that.

As I said before, Mac doesn't have to duplicate what Riggs did, bear that in mind. But then, how would he and Rog rescue Rianne? But then, shit, the rescue was fail haermm

This is what makes this thread and the new Riggs thread such good threads, the twists and turns that they can take.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Good point about the shock torture, never thought about that.

As I said before, Mac doesn't have to duplicate what Riggs did, bear that in mind. But then, how would he and Rog rescue Rianne? But then, shit, the rescue was fail haermm

This is what makes this thread and the new Riggs thread such good threads, the twists and turns that they can take.

yeah, it definitely was fail but i think McClane could do it. I think one of the things McClane has on Riggs is his problem solving skills. I'm going to have to think on this more. Maybe i'll go watch some Lethal Weapon tonight.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
yeah, it definitely was fail but i think McClane could do it. I think one of the things McClane has on Riggs is his problem solving skills. I'm going to have to think on this more. Maybe i'll go watch some Lethal Weapon tonight. Mmmmmm......If Mac took a heads on approach rescuing her, he would be killed.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Nah, he's a mortal man with mortal powers. They'd likely be dead, but he'd have to find them and kill them.

Actually he has the McClane factor.

And that is no normal mortal human power.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Mmmmmm......If Mac took a heads on approach rescuing her, he would be killed.

Speculation.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Actually he has the McClane factor.

And that is no normal mortal human power. No, there is no such thing as "The McClane factor." If there were, John McTiernan would have mentioned it.

He didn't mention an awful lot of things. Air etc for example, yet McClane is CLEARLY breathing on screen.

Some things are just obvious.

Uh........K......

Anyhoo, Mac dies during the torture scene, OR during the Rianne rescue.

Nope. Not with THAT McEndurance.

And nahhhhhh McClane'd EASILY do that scene.
His Holly rescue at the end of DH1 was an example of his cunning.

How? How would he kill Inzo? He never, not once showed the agility and leg strength and training to do that.

McClane soloes, he doesn't roger's help, he'll also shag Rianne after he saves the day

the end...

Bullshit, bullshit and more bullshit.

Bruce is spot on.

McClane kicks Indo in the head, (Which was enough strength to topple Karl in DH 1), Pulls himself free of the harness, then rams those pads up Indos ass, activating their current. End of story RJ.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
He never, not once showed the agility and leg strength and training to do that. This.



And also, he gets killed while rescuing Rog, IF he escapes Indo.



You're STILL looking at this thread wrong.

LOL Youre a loon. Of course he did. Look at the way he punted Karl in the head. (With bare, bleeding feet too, might i add.)

To suggest otherwise is absolutely preposterous.

Punt to the head doesn't kill.

How do you think Mac would approach the following:

The jumper.

The tree lot drug deal.

The building sniper.

"Rescuing" Rianne. If he would actually pull it off, no torture scene. But then again no final scene, so WTF...

Personally I don't think he would even bother fighting Joshua.

It can, actually.

McClane, with his dark wisecracks would have had that Jumper cracking up with laughter, thusly bringing him out of that suicidal groove he was in.

The tree lot Deal... Well, there would have been no three Stooges shit, and there would have been less dramatic faggotry, but the death toll would remain the same. Its likely that when The RHCP singer's Pa took Mcclane hostage, McClane would have likely shot himsefl through the shoulder to end the villains life....but its unlikely that McClane would have gotten taken hostage anyway....thats something that happensd to Riggs a lot though.

The building sniper would ahve been dead 8 bullets quicker than Riggs did it in. His ability to shoot a cable at about tha same distance with a snubnose .38 proves this.

And the rescue scene?

What about it...?

McClane enters the room, thows Endo at the 1st guy, grabs that guys' gun, Pistol whips the next to the head, knocking him down and out, Rapidly shoots the third, Then shoots up that the dude above them. He unties Roger and his daughter and they escape. EASY.

Wouldn't work. The first two of three Riggs took out, Mac never displayed anything close to that level of skill.

Mac is a run away and regroup kind of guy, he rarely if ever takes the fight to the enemy.

Irrelevant.

The massive Mcclane death toll/high rescuing success rate speaks for itself.

Rubbish, He often takes the fight to the enemy....alone too..
L

McClane ran from Karl and his two goons. Riggs woulda killed them in seconds.

Mac runs. Riggs, not.

DH1, the elevator opens, Hans: "You were saying?" And Mac ran. Riggs woulda killed them all.

Well more accurately, he was then running from their bullets, to be more exact. They were all unloading on him ata variety of ranges, but couldn't hit him, due to the McClane factor. Martin "Bulletmagnet" Riggs couldn't have made it off that roof. He'd have been having lead suppositories courtesy of the Germans.

Nah Riggs wouldn't have killed them all, Riggs'd have been pinned and captured. (Then killed once Karl had Ze Detonatorzzz).

You're dreaming.

Riggs woulda gone stealth, broken Karl's neck, shower, rinse, repeat on the others.


Mac was outnumbered, so he ran, like he always does. Riggs does not run.

Sure. He ran to a postion of cover and started annihilating kneecaps..
(What? You think hes gonna stand right in front of three submachine guns at that range like complete imbecille? lol )
To suggest that McClane an like a coward there is like saying that Riggs lost that confrontation with the Xmas tree dealers cause he rolled on the floor to evade the bullets... lol
IE: Nonsense personified.

He then after fighting his way out beat a smart, hasty and impressive retreat when the hocky puck bomb got dished out, that Im certain that that surrender monkey Riggs would never have made it out of.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Sure. He ran to a postion of cover and started annihilating kneecaps..
(What? You think hes gonna stand right in front of three submachine guns at that range like complete imbecille? lol ) No. That was the scene with Karl and Hans. Watch Die Hard, it's epic.




Hans: "You were saying?" Mac runs. He had them pinned in an elevator, and he RAN. Riggs killed 3 in that scene. Mac killed zero on the rooftop.

Riggs wouldn't have had to pull a smart, impressive hasty retreat. He would have killed them right then and there.

Was that not the scene you were discussing?


Im right, RJ YOU might need to rewatch.

Speculation right there. What would have happened if he stood there, would be 'Riggs gets shot full of holes'.

McClanes taking out 4-5 guys in an elevator credentials are well in order, as a even the most cursory of examinations of DH3 would tell you.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Was that not the scene you were discussing?


Im right, RJ YOU might need to rewatch.

Speculation right there. What would have happened if he stood there, would be 'Riggs gets shot full of holes'.

McClanes taking out 4-5 guys in an elevator credentials are well in order, as a even the most cursory of examinations of DH3 would tell you.

4 guys. It was impressive, yeah.

I still don't know how Mac would approach the Rianne rescue, in the desert.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Was that not the scene you were discussing?


The shootout with Karl on the roof. The kneecapping took place inside.

LW1: He clears but it could be tricky with the torture scene being the key point. If he survives then he can knock Endo out with his feet, plus a wall is behind Endo so if he hits the concrete then he could be killed that way. After that the Rianne rescue might be bit hairier but McClane is good enough to take multiple guys out. The end scene I don't think McClane would challenge Joshua, but Joshua would probably make a play for the gun, thinking McClane a bog-standard cop. McClane would lose the fight but he would find a way to kill him, probably hit him in the throat with the nightstick (lying conveniently on the grass!).


LW2: He clears if he avoids being caught cold by Vorstedt and flung into the water with the weighted jacket, having no shoulder dislocation trick he'd be screwed. The end fight with Vorstedt I don't think would be a problem, even with the knife in his leg (wouldn't be a big deal with McClane who has fought through worse), he might get caught with those fancy kicks but Vorstedt wouldn't take McClanes power well. Come to think of it, he'll probaby use the same thing that Riggs uses to kill him.

LW3: I honestly see no challenge with this scenario for McClane.

LW4: I see no challenge here either until the end fight. With himself and Murtaugh they would take Wah Sing Ku but the fight will be a lot more brutal (as if wasn't a brutal fight originally!) but their combined strength will take him down, in a way they'll probably suit each other better with both being brawling fighters. I think McClane will stop short of going in the water though, with his in close style he'll probably knock him out with a headbutt and leave him to drown in the water.

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
LW1: He clears but it could be tricky with the torture scene being the key point. If he survives then he can knock Endo out with his feet, plus a wall is behind Endo so if he hits the concrete then he could be killed that way. After that the Rianne rescue might be bit hairier but McClane is good enough to take multiple guys out. The end scene I don't think McClane would challenge Joshua, but Joshua would probably make a play for the gun, thinking McClane a bog-standard cop. McClane would lose the fight but he would find a way to kill him, probably hit him in the throat with the nightstick (lying conveniently on the grass!).


LW2: He clears if he avoids being caught cold by Vorstedt and flung into the water with the weighted jacket, having no shoulder dislocation trick he'd be screwed. The end fight with Vorstedt I don't think would be a problem, even with the knife in his leg (wouldn't be a big deal with McClane who has fought through worse), he might get caught with those fancy kicks but Vorstedt wouldn't take McClanes power well. Come to think of it, he'll probaby use the same thing that Riggs uses to kill him.

LW3: I honestly see no challenge with this scenario for McClane.

LW4: I see no challenge here either until the end fight. With himself and Murtaugh they would take Wah Sing Ku but the fight will be a lot more brutal (as if wasn't a brutal fight originally!) but their combined strength will take him down, in a way they'll probably suit each other better with both being brawling fighters. I think McClane will stop short of going in the water though, with his in close style he'll probably knock him out with a headbutt and leave him to drown in the water.

Afraid not, he doesn't make it past the rescue scene after he kills Indo. He doesn't even kill Indo.

But the question still remains, how would he approach the desert scene?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Afraid not, he doesn't make it past the rescue scene after he kills Indo. He doesn't even kill Indo.

But the question still remains, how would he approach the desert scene?

Endo gets close enough for Riggs to kick out and with one kick he went out cold. I'm sure if McClane survived the torture he would use his untied feet as a weapon. He wouldn't break his neck no, but like I said the force of the kick could propel Endo into the wall behind him.

Once he gets off the hook, he can finish him and go to rescue Rianne. It might be difficult for him to get a weapon, but once he does I don't see McCallisters men as problems for McClane. He wouldn't be snapping necks but with a gun he would do it his way.

I'm not 100% sure about the desert scene. Maybe McClane hides out in the car with an MP5(replacing Rigg's sniper rifle) while Murtaugh leaves the engine running. Murtaugh distracts them with the grenade, possibly even uses a smoke grenade/ or a flash bang. Once they are disoriented he guns the car towards the one with Rianne, McClane pops out the car window and drills the guys nearest the car and, Murtaugh stops, taking some out too, maybe even Joshua in the confusion. He gets out, grabs Rianne, bundles her into the car and they get out of there. If the helicopter follows then McClanes got the MP5.

As Riggs/Murtaugh would say; pretty thin but an an idea.

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
Endo gets close enough for Riggs to kick out and with one kick he went out cold. I'm sure if McClane survived the torture he would use his untied feet as a weapon. He wouldn't break his neck no, but like I said the force of the kick could propel Endo into the wall behind him.

Once he gets off the hook, he can finish him and go to rescue Rianne. It might be difficult for him to get a weapon, but once he does I don't see McCallisters men as problems for McClane. He wouldn't be snapping necks but with a gun he would do it his way.

I'm not 100% sure about the desert scene. Maybe McClane hides out in the car with an MP5(replacing Rigg's sniper rifle) while Murtaugh leaves the engine running. Murtaugh distracts them with the grenade, possibly even uses a smoke grenade/ or a flash bang. Once they are disoriented he guns the car towards the one with Rianne, McClane pops out the car window and drills the guys nearest the car and, Murtaugh stops, taking some out too, maybe even Joshua in the confusion. He gets out, grabs Rianne, bundles her into the car and they get out of there. If the helicopter follows then McClanes got the MP5.

As Riggs/Murtaugh would say; pretty thin but an an idea. No, Riggs killed Indo by breaking his neck with a leglock. Mac cannot do this.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, Riggs killed Indo by breaking his neck with a leglock. Mac cannot do this.

He doesn't have to break his neck the exact way. I told you, he knocks him out with his feet, either instantly or due to the concrete wall behind him. He then gets off the hook, then kills him.

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
He doesn't have to break his neck the exact way. I told you, he knocks him out with his feet, either instantly or due to the concrete wall behind him. He then gets off the hook, then kills him. Mac was never shown KOing a guy with a kick, he doesn't have those type of skills.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Mac was never shown KOing a guy with a kick, he doesn't have those type of skills.

Well he kicks him with enough force for Endo to strike the wall behind him, thus knocking him out.

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
Well he kicks him with enough force for Endo to strike the wall behind him, thus knocking him out. Again, what I just said.

According to TVTropes McClane at one point punches a mook through a door in Live Free or Die Hard. That indicates neck-breaking strength imo.

Mhm, not a kick.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
McClane kicks Indo in the head, (Which was enough strength to topple Karl in DH 1),

RG

If he topples Karl he topples Endo (with the swing of one leg, barefoot also), thus Endo falls backward and conks his head out on a concrete floor/wall.

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
RG

If he topples Karl he topples Endo (with the swing of one leg, barefoot also), thus Endo falls backward and conks his head out on a concrete floor/wall. That's alotta speculation, dude.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
That's alotta speculation, dude.

Hardly, I'm using the environment that's within the scene and a concrete wall close behind Endo is something for McClane to exploit. If he can knock down Karl with one swing of one leg then what he would do to Endo - a smaller and lighter man than Karl - using two would be enough to propel him into the wall.

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
Hardly, I'm using the environment that's within the scene and a concrete wall close behind Endo is something for McClane to exploit. If he can knock down Karl with one swing of one leg then what he would do to Endo - a smaller and lighter man than Karl - using two would be enough to propel him into the wall. That leads to him rescuing Rog.

He fails here.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Riggs does not run.

He ran from his trailer on the beach in 2 when the folks in the helicopter was shooting.

He ran from a building just because of a bomb.

Hell his chicken ass even ran into a bathtub once too for safety.

In fact: In terms of running, there is basically Riggs, then his peer Forrest gump.

My impending complete rewatch of the series will doubtlessly remind me of more incidents.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The shootout with Karl on the roof. The kneecapping took place inside.

Ah I see.

Well at that point the focus wasn't on taking on Half of Han's top boys alone....it was was getting the hostages safe/getting news out of what was happening at Nakatomi and none of the of hostages were in a position to
call for help.
McClane was trying to call for backup. Sure they caught him on the backfoot, there in the infancy of the conflict.
They fired clips and clips at Mcclane though that, and not one bullet caught him. Notice all the variety of jumps falls, slams, wallops he endures there too.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
That's alotta speculation, dude.

Nah its logical, concise and very, very feasible.

Therefore, not much "Speculation" at all.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Ah I see.

Well at that point the focus wasn't on taking on Half of Han's top boys alone....it was was getting the hostages safe/getting news out of what was happening at Nakatomi and none of the of hostages were in a position to
call for help.
McClane was trying to call for backup. Sure they caught him on the backfoot, there in the infancy of the conflict.
They fired clips and clips at Mcclane though that, and not one bullet caught him. Notice all the variety of jumps falls, slams, wallops he endures there too. Stop. He had men firing at him trying to kill him.

Riggs would have killed them in seconds.

Yes and they allllllll failed. Couldn't get ONE of those bullet in him, due the McClane factor.

No he wouldn't. He would be machine gunned in the anus.
He lacks the McClane factor.

Riggs is to bullets what Lightbulbs are to moths.....as seen in the LW movies.

Again, Riggs doesn't need luck. He gets by on skill. McClane has luck because he NEEDS it.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Again, Riggs doesn't need luck. He gets by on skill. McClane has luck because he NEEDS it.

It's not just luck, it's sheer insane levels of skill and resourcefulness.

EG he didn't accidentally run over a fire hydrant and the helicopter just happens to be in the exact position where one of the gunmen was knocked off. It was planned and executed on the fly. McClane's likely a genius.

They're too old for this shit.

har har har

Originally posted by Robtard
It's not just luck, it's sheer insane levels of skill and resourcefulness.

EG he didn't accidentally run over a fire hydrant and the helicopter just happens to be in the exact position where one of the gunmen was knocked off. It was planned and executed on the fly. McClane's likely a genius. Mac is no doubt the runner up to Indy when it comes to making shit up on the fly. I would never try and take that away from him.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Again, Riggs doesn't need luck. He gets by on skill. McClane has luck because he NEEDS it.

That and on the interventions and bodyfluids of his partner Murtaugh, obviously.

McClane has skill AND luck.


In the words of Fred Dryer as Hunter: "Works for me".

Originally posted by Robtard
It's not just luck, it's sheer insane levels of skill and resourcefulness.

EG he didn't accidentally run over a fire hydrant and the helicopter just happens to be in the exact position where one of the gunmen was knocked off. It was planned and executed on the fly. McClane's likely a genius.

Exactly.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
That and on the interventions and bodyfluids of his partner Murtaugh, obviously.

McClane has skill AND luck.


In the words of Fred Dryer as Hunter: "Works for me". He has skill, no doubt, but it's not on the same level as Riggs. Riggs fights 4-5 men at a time. Mac always has trouble with one.

Mac clears by shooting yipee kai aye's at his enemies

Whatever the case, Mac dies in the drowning scene from LW2.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
He has skill, no doubt, but it's not on the same level as Riggs. Riggs fights 4-5 men at a time. Mac always has trouble with one.

You lie again.

Watch the lift in Die Hard 3. Look at him killing cars full of bad guys.
Watch him zippo 15 top marines to death.

McClane routinely engages and destroys enemies in mulitiples.


Whereas, Riggs always gets in trouble against one guy, and Roger has to bail his ass out (If the missus isnt around to rescue Riggs).....

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Whatever the case, Mac dies in the drowning scene from LW2.

Nahhhhh. McClane is better underwater/and escaping water than Riggs, (DH3 twice) and better at protecting people under water than Riggs is (DH3 once).

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Nahhhhh. McClane is better underwater/and escaping water than Riggs, (DH3 twice) and better at protecting people under water than Riggs is (DH3 once). He wouldn't get out of the bag, fool, his shoulder was never injured.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
He wouldn't get out of the bag, fool, his shoulder was never injured.

Whoa, whoa, whoa and whoa. Why does it have to happen the same exact way? In Riggs Vs Diehard films you argued Riggs wouldn't magically be in the same scenario in facing off against an F-35, but now McClane has to find himself in a bag? Which wouldn't be a problem though, the guy has super-human levels of strength when he needs it. Might as well be a paper bag.

Originally posted by Robtard
Whoa, whoa, whoa and whoa. Why does it have to happen the same exact way? In Riggs Vs Diehard films you argued Riggs wouldn't magically be in the same scenario in facing off against an F-35, but now McClane has to find himself in a bag? Which wouldn't be a problem though, the guy has super-human levels of strength when he needs it. Obviously that's IF he is in the bag, dude


So he can tear apart a thick ass canvas bag AND break the chains? Neat!!!! Just so you know, Mac just called. Tell Rob to stop dragging his teeth, he says.

Robtard was right RJ, you're constantly trying to stack the game..
Sure sign of a man that knows Riggs is outclassed.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
He wouldn't get out of the bag, fool, his shoulder was never injured.

Mac would never allow himself to get caught biscuits

Precisely.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
That leads to him rescuing Rog.

He fails here.

What? Men with guns, this is McClanes challenge?

He doesn't have to barge in like Riggs, who is more confident of his H2H abilities than McClane, he could slip in the room and make for somebodies weapon (and use him as a human shield). Once he's got that he picks them off.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Obviously that's IF he is in the bag, dude


So he can tear apart a thick ass canvas bag AND break the chains? Neat!!!! Just so you know, Mac just called. Tell Rob to stop dragging his teeth, he says.

I said this and I agree, if Vorstedt puts him in the water in that bag and chains there is no way he's getting out of it.

But if we are to assume that McClane is still married to Holly its unlikely he'll be close to Rika so its likely this scenario wouldn't come about.

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
What? Men with guns, this is McClanes challenge?

He doesn't have to barge in like Riggs, who is more confident of his H2H abilities than McClane, he could slip in the room and make for somebodies weapon (and use him as a human shield). Once he's got that he picks them off. Slip into the room, how?

Quietly. Stealthily. McClane-ily. Thats how.
Maybe he comes in through an air vent like he does frequently in the movies.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Quietly. Stealthily. McClane-ily. Thats how.
Maybe he comes in through an air vent like he does frequently in the movies. haermm Riiiiiiiiiiight. All in time to save his friend.



BOOM *Rog is dead, Mac fails.*

Yep he specialises in such rescues/escapes for he is McClane..
And he bursts through the vent and PWNS. Remember DH2? With those bad guys in the annex?

Dead.

McClane'd.

Not enough time, dude. AND there were no vents shown in those scenes.

You do know what air conditioning is, doncha?

You couldnt see all the walls completely. You dont know that theres not a vent.

facepalm MAN you're dim.........Think about where the fight was.

If im dim, you're completely pitch black, in a room with no windows, no lights, and the room has black ceilings, carpet, walls, doorframes, skirting boards: Everything completely black.... And the room is situated on the darkside of the moon..


Thats you.

Thats how dim you are.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
haermm Riiiiiiiiiiight. All in time to save his friend.



BOOM *Rog is dead, Mac fails.*

Wouldn't happen, when Riggs burst in they all turned to him , except for McCallister who ran away. They(the guards) had no instant reaction to hurting Murtaugh or Rianne.

As to how he gets in...uh.. the door that Riggs comes through maybe.

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
Wouldn't happen, when Riggs burst in they all turned to him , except for McCallister who ran away. They(the guards) had no instant reaction to hurting Murtaugh or Rianne.

As to how he gets in...uh.. the door that Riggs comes through maybe.

Maybe even enterring armed with a body, using Endo's unconscious or dead frame as a human shield then throwing weapon, like Riggs did.

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
Wouldn't happen, when Riggs burst in they all turned to him , except for McCallister who ran away. They(the guards) had no instant reaction to hurting Murtaugh or Rianne.

As to how he gets in...uh.. the door that Riggs comes through maybe. Edit: Rianne would have been raped anally by McAllister.

Nah he has no anal rape screenfeats.

Just cuz he didn't get a chance to?

Odd world, your head.

But anyways, he wouldn't get the chance if it were McClane doing it.

Mhm, because Mac can rush in, unarmed, and pwn 4-5 armed men.

Oh wait, Riggs was armed with a body!!! haermm

Yep. With a human shield/throwing weapon. Then he was armed with a gun with which he shot several people with.

2 people h2h, one not even killed, then shot the rest.
Some H2H, eh?.

"Armed with a body" crylaugh DDM lol'd when he read that.

Good. Its funny cause its true.

Sure it is!!!! Body to body combat!!!

Yep. You just described every fight style ever. Wow.
(Except 'the art of fighting without fighting' of course.)

Dodger!!! Dodger dog?

Im dodging nothing.


(You know: Just like Riggs against a rookie with basic straight punches. )

Mhm, and the way Mac dodged the window a girl kicked him out of.

The way she dodged getting knocked out, then later a car being rammed up her ass... and the way Riggs dodges Bullets, getting captured, and tortured.

Mhm, she still kicked the living shit outta him.

Nah. He was fine. He porbably pays for shit like that now Hollys not around.

Sure he was!!!

Obviously from his killing her and moving, on, he was.
Dhhhhhurrrrrhurrrrhrurrhrhrurhrrurr

Mhm, driving an SUV can be taxing.

Not when its a short ride to your enemys arse, via elevator shaft, it would seem.