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Anthony from the Twilight zone movie is touring London with Professor Xavier who is studying Anthony for consideration of inclusion into the X-school, when Anthony is suddenly reminded of Harry Potter.

He decides to go to pay a visit to the Wizards in Hogwarts, so he appears there and doesn't like the place and decides to destroy the Wizards and Hogwarts, and Xavier helps him. He wishes for Kenobi from the SW movies and he of course appears.

The confrontation begins.

Xavier solo's.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Xavier solo's.

lulz






Magic != psionics


So the wizards have no protection from Xaviers mind which can freeze every last wizard in an instant. Why? We SAW that happen in X-men II: he froze everyone in the mall, in an instant. As soon as the fight starts, frozen. Then, Obiwan can dice them all to little wizard pieces or xavier can run them over with his wheel chair while screaming, "Weeeeeehehehehehehe!!!!"

And Anthony will have willed away the mouths of the wizards as an opening move.

That was my line of thinking. I still don't know how he did that exactly.

Charles Xavier makes em all stick their wands up the nearest wizards butt and makes em pull the trigger.

Forum win in 1 min

LOL

And if X can communicate with Obi Wans mind, he'll be precog equipped too. He would be able to coordinate force attacks/Anthony wish attacks..

Anthony can wish Harry's Head would explode, that a grenade magically in Weasley's arse goes off, Snape's head rips off its own shoulders and headbutts several little apprentice wizards to death, straight after he wishes that the Wizards cant apparate.

good times.

Voldemort ends up with his head inside Dumbledore's colon, Hancock Style.

Originally posted by dadudemon
So the wizards have no protection from Xaviers mind which can freeze every last wizard in an instant.

It's been argued that "legilimens" (sp?) can counter Xavier's mind control.

Not that it matters, Anthony is a beast.

agreed, Prof X solos this, but still Anthony can wish them all to the cornfield..


of course for many LOLS, the good Prof starts talking like Capt. Jean-Luc Picard

"Make it so"

Using this power,
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Anthony wishes Bellatrix LeStrange was on fire, and that Malfoy was in this scene, unconscious in the car door in this clip:
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And over half of the rest of the wizards are turned into Burmese Soldiers, in this clip:
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Originally posted by Robtard
It's been argued that "legilimens" (sp?) can counter Xavier's mind control.

Not that it matters, Anthony is a beast. You mean occlumency, and yes. You could even give the wizards 20 McClane clones and the Jedi order and they lose.

UNLESS Legilimens affects Anthony, would it?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You mean occlumency, and yes. You could even give the wizards 20 McClane clones and the Jedi order and they lose.

UNLESS Legilimens affects Anthony, would it?

My error in proper spell terminology. Anyhow, I think Xavier's mind-feats are above and beyond what the wizards can do in terms of mind-control/mind-blocking. Way above and beyond.

1) Dude froze everyone in a mall and then changed all their memories, he didn't have see the vast majority of them.

2) His mind-powers were able to hold off a PMSing Phoenix for a short time.

Originally posted by Robtard
My error in proper spell terminology. Anyhow, I think Xavier's mind-feats are above and beyond what the wizards can do in terms of mind-control/mind-blocking. Way above and beyond.

1) Dude froze everyone in a mall and then changed all their memories, he didn't have see the vast majority of them.

2) His mind-powers were able to hold off a PMSing Phoenix for a short time.

Well, it's hard to determine if Occlumency wil block Xavier's mind powers. Snape said it blocks outside influence. How much so is debatable.

And Anthony? Pretty sure Legilimens would work on him.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Well, it's hard to determine if Occlumency wil block Xavier's mind powers. Snape said it blocks outside influence. How much so is debatable.

And Anthony? Pretty sure Legilimens would work on him.

We've never seen mind-powers from the wizard come close to Xavier, so it doesn't favor that it would.

Anthony just thinks and "magic" happens. He could turn Hoqwarts into Legos.

First, he can't see Hogwarts. Second, he can't get past the shield charm.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
First, he can't see Hogwarts. Second, he can't get past the shield charm.

He doesn't need to see with his eyes, he can send his mind out and instantly search for minds to rape (the mall scene proves this, using Cerebro also in a way)

Shield Charms block thoughts? Proof.

Originally posted by Robtard
He doesn't need to see with his eyes, he can send his mind out and instantly search for minds to rape (the mall scene proves this, using Cerebro also in a way)

Shield Charms block thoughts? Proof.

I suppose. Spite much?

Originally posted by Robtard
Anthony just thinks and "magic" happens. He could turn Hoqwarts into Legos. The culprit behind those stupid video-games has been found!

But it's a good thing. A really good thing.

I remember the chick having great ****.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien


But it's a good thing. A really good thing.


LOL nice reference

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
First, he can't see Hogwarts. Second, he can't get past the shield charm.

He can.


Psionics != magic


Legilimens gets right through a psionic mental shield and psionic mental attacks get right through occlumency and shield charms.

IF the living force will allow that.

Originally posted by dadudemon
He can.


Psionics != magic


Legilimens gets right through a psionic mental shield and psionic mental attacks get right through occlumency and shield charms. Let's see.....Multiple wizards all firing legilimens at him......Yeah, he's screwed. He'll think he's Herbie the love bug.

Umbridge summons the Dementors. HA.


/ thread.

Antony wishes that the dementors weren't there.

End Thread.

Xavier froze HUMANS, babe. HUMANS. Dementors are not HUMAN.




Ah, yet another HP spite thread turned back on it's owner. I think I earned a beer there.

Doenst matter. Anthony simple wish>>>Reality.

Watch Twilight Zone, then you'll see what you're up against, and be able to comment more accurately.

I've seen it. Anthiny can't see the dementors, babe. He won't know they are there until one is deepthroating his tongue.

We will, Obiwan would forsee it, and thanks to Professor X relaying that info, Anthony will know, prompting the wishing away of said dementors..

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
We will, Obiwan would forsee it, and thanks to Professor X relaying that info, Anthony will know, prompting the wishing away of said dementors.. I see, and fight off invisible wizards, death spells and fiendfyre? neat!!!

*cues Tom Jones music as Obi Wan breaks into a Carlton dance*

Force allows you to feel the prescence of lifeforms around you.

*Cue backing music to Palp's "Poor fool... Only now..at the end..do you understand" speech *

Originally posted by Nephthys
Xavier solo's.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Xavier froze HUMANS, babe. HUMANS. Dementors are not HUMAN.




Ah, yet another HP spite thread turned back on it's owner. I think I earned a beer there.

true however the wizards are ONLY HUMAN and thus will be frozen by the good Prof

lol

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Umbridge summons the Dementors. HA.


/ thread.


a) Umbridge no longer works for Hogwarts. Since I assume we are going by current versions (is that the forum rule?), she might not be in the thread.

b) How does she summon them and can she do it before Xavier freezes her mind? To my knowledge she has never summoned them on-screen, didn't actually summon them, merely commanded them to go after Harry, and if it was something she can do easily and/or quickly, why did she not do so against the centuars?

c) Anthony wishes them away.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Let's see.....Multiple wizards all firing legilimens at him......Yeah, he's screwed. He'll think he's Herbie the love bug.

It won't work that way: Xavier's mind abilities make Voldy's legilimens look like a simple card trick. There is that much of a difference.

On top of that, Xavier's mind control is instant. That entire mall shut down. How does legilimens even remotely compare to Xavier's mind control?

It doesn't. This is super mind-rape/reality-rape.

yeah reality warping/mind rape>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wizard powers

Professor X takes controls of the minds of the most powerful wizards and uses them to take out everyone else (including dementors or whatever the shit).

Or he could just control everyone, but the first suggestion would be more epic.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
yeah reality warping/mind rape>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wizard powers

lol!


Held down that key for a bit, eh?

Originally posted by dadudemon
lol!


Held down that key for a bit, eh?


my hand got tired otherwise it would have been longer..

OK, I just watched the Anthony scene/s on youtube. He has powers that are pretty much the following: Vanishing spells, Transfiguration, Summoning/Conjuring spells. That's it. A wizard can do all the same things. Also, each and every time he executed one of these powers, it took a few seconds for it to happen. "I wish it away, I wish it all away!!!" Took a few seconds. Even if he was face to face with Ron, Ron would win. Hit him with a death spell, dead Anthony. AND they only worked on humans who were afraid of him. Not to mention a wizard who has apparated far away, where he is not seen, whispering "Confundus."

Xavier: His high end screen feats are mind raping a large group of HUMANS, and some mutants, that's it. Until someone can prove this will work on WIZARDS, who also can do the same to him, AND can employ Occlumency, Xavier is hit with a death spell.


Obi Wan? Don't make me laugh.


LULZ infinity at the three even FINDING the damn castle.





Wizard win.

Well once youve watched the whole movie, you'll see that his control over reality is complete. IIRC he actually wipes out everything else in existance except himself and the woman with just a thought at one point. Then creates a new reality just by thinking about it.

So nope. No downplay/misrepresentation possible there...
The wizards are NOWHERE near that feat.

LOL all you want..its in the OP.
Yet ANOTHER wizard fail.

Bull. What makes wizards minds so special that it would be completely impossiblle for Xaviers powers to affect them? And occlumency? Lol, when occlumency does anything that even begins to compare to Xavier's power and skill, let me know, otherwise its a paper shield. Worthless.



Holy shit, really? Spiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiite!

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Well once youve watched the whole movie, you'll see that his control over reality is complete. IIRC he actually wipes out everything else in existance except himself and the woman with just a thought at one point. Then creates a new reality just by thinking about it. I have seen the whole movie. Several times.

No, he didn't haermm He simply changed it from night to day, and made some flowers appear. And this:

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FF to 4:51. He closes his eyes, wishes it all away, but it took ten full seconds to happen. Ten seconds.....Hmmmm......he'll be vanished in one second.

EVERY time Anthony displayed his powers, it took a few seconds for it to happen, no exceptions. Wizard sees him, death spells him. Simple.

Also, he ALWAYS had line of sight with whatever he was manipulating. If he can't SEE Hogwarts, he cannot manipulate it. /thread.

Bull to thee shiz, I turned it back on you, babe. Yes, Anthony has mad power, but he will be killed before he can employ them. Easily, in fact.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Bull. What makes wizards minds so special that it would be completely impossiblle for Xaviers powers to affect them? And occlumency? Lol, when occlumency does anything that even begins to compare to Xavier's power and skill, let me know, otherwise its a paper shield. Worthless.



How many people did Xavier freeze in the mall scene? How close were they to him?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
How many people did Xavier freeze in the mall scene? How close were they to him?


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3.15 onwards. I'd estimate about 300-500 people. If you can find a better video be my guest, because there was ****ing nothing else there when I searched.

So, upwards of 100. Maybe 150. And he was right there, amongst them, or at the most a few feet away.

So? His range is way above that. In The Last Stand he could hear Pheonix's birth from half a continent away. And notice that he does that without any strain or visible effort, selectively, able to differentiate between shoppers and his students. Plus he can have Anthony wish him up Cerebro if he's struggling.

He was able to sense her birth? I remember him showing up at her house with Magneto. Even if he did, she's a mutant, and him feeling her birth is useful here, how?

He senses her before then I believe, though it may have been at the end of the second movie rather than the beginning of the third, my mistake. It shows the extent of his range, even when not actively looking for her and while teaching a class.

True. So he felt her, a mutant, a powerful ass mutant. How does feeling someone that far away help?

It shows his range. You were suggesting that Xavier needs to be right up close to people to mind**** someone, I was posting proof that he doesn't, as the range of his mental powers far exceeds that.

Feeling someone and mind raping them are two different things, dude.

Also he was only shown mind raping upwards of 100-150. There are far more wizards in the castle than that.

Cerebro. With it he was killing all the humans on the planet.

Cerebro is not in the OP. Also, before the time Anthony actually wishes it, he'll be dead. Took him ten seconds to wish away the house, it'll take him that long to wish Cerebro there. That's 9.5 seconds too long.

I was unaware that the team started the battle encircled by wizards all with their wands at the ready. As far as I can tell the OP says that its them attacking Hogwarts, so I'm guessing that isn't the case. Besides, Xavier keeps them off the team long enough for Anthony to wish up Cerebro by freezing the ones in striking distance. Simple

Originally posted by Nephthys
I was unaware that the team started the battle encircled by wizards all with their wands at the ready. As far as I can tell the OP says that its them attacking Hogwarts, so I'm guessing that isn't the case. Besides, Xavier keeps them off the team long enough for Anthony to wish up Cerebro by freezing the ones in striking distance. Simple Sorry, I was unaware that the wizards were all sleeping at the time of the attack.

Only fair to make them aware, dude. Or else it's spite.


Xavier'll be killed, dude. He can't mind rape all the wizards, there are too many.

Aware, yes. Right fricking next to him, no.



They can't all attack him at once either, there are too many. And Xavier can have to ones he is mindraping that the attacks aimed at him and his teammates incase any get through.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Aware, yes. Right fricking next to him, no. Apparate into the clouds, death spell.



Not all will be getting raped. At least a few will be able to do what I just said.

Are they outside? I though they were in. OP should probably clarify, lol.



150 is a lot of bodies, especially when they just need human shields for 3 guys for 10 seconds.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Apparate into the clouds, death spell.
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any proof showing the wizards apparating and casting spells at the same time?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Are they outside? I though they were in. OP should probably clarify, lol. There are usually always some wizards outside, wandering the grounds and whatnot.



Apparition behind Xavier, death spell. Or simply vanish the bodies.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
any proof showing the wizards apparating and casting spells at the same time? Mhm, the attack on the burrow. You asked this in another thread and I supplied the vid. Pay attention.

No, I mean where's the actual fight taking place? Inside or outside?



Xavier could track Nightcrawler teleporting, who >>> apparition. He can shut the wizards mind down before he casts the spell. And again, vanishing spells havn't worked on anything bigger than a rat. And if they can vanish the bodies it'll free up space for Xavier to replace with new mindslaves.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, I mean where's the actual fight taking place? Inside or outside?



Xavier could track Nightcrawler teleporting, who >>> apparition. He can shut the wizards mind down before he casts the spell. And again, vanishing spells havn't worked on anything bigger than a rat. And if they can vanish the bodies it'll free up space for Xavier to replace with new mindslaves.


I think the grounds were implied.



He tracked one n00b teleporter, dude. Tracking 40 or 50? haermm Vanishing spells worked the same on a rat, a snake, and a huge pane of glass (Harry, in TSS.)

N00b teleporter? You mean the guy who actually uses his teleportation in battle as opposed to the wizards who have NEVER done so. Nightcrawler is waaaay more skillful and a good deal faster than any wizard, and he was teleporting miles every time. But yeah, he's a total n00b.



Its only the teachers and some 7th years who can actually apparate you know. Oh and btw:

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There are only about 200 students at Hogwarts anyway.

Originally posted by Nephthys
N00b teleporter? You mean the guy who actually uses his teleportation in battle as opposed to the wizards who have NEVER done so. Nightcrawler is waaaay more skillful and a good deal faster than any wizard, and he was teleporting miles every time. But yeah, he's a total n00b.



Its only the teachers and some 7th years who can actually apparate you know. Oh and btw:

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There are only about 200 students at Hogwarts anyway.

n00b teleporter, the guy who couldn't even TP through a wall.


And at least that many faculty. Not to mention the other wizards.

No. There are about 10 teachers and Hagrid and the caretaker (forgot his name :[ ). Seriously, you can see the teachers table in the vid.

Did you even watch the quittich scenes? The stands were chocked with wizards, easily numbering 1000.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Mhm, the attack on the burrow. You asked this in another thread and I supplied the vid. Pay attention.

why should i pay attention to blind fanboyism on your part especially will you give the wizards spells they weren't even shown to use..

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
why should i pay attention to blind fanboyism on your part especially will you give the wizards spells they weren't even shown to use.. crylaugh Name when I did this. I DARE you.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
crylaugh Name when I did this. I DARE you.

each and every harry potter thread... of course i am not the one who has called you out on it

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
why should i pay attention to blind fanboyism on your part especially will you give the wizards spells they weren't even shown to use..

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
each and every harry potter thread... of course i am not the one who has called you out on it

Cosigned. It has been pointed out...weve all seen it.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
each and every harry potter thread... of course i am not the one who has called you out on it Mhm, I thought as much. I have never, not once, given wizards powers not from the movies. If I did, go there, quote where I did.

Did you ride the really short bus to school?

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Cosigned. It has been pointed out...weve all seen it.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Cosigned. It has been pointed out...weve all seen it. Mhm, sure it has. Prove it? Oh wait, lemmee guess, "we already have!!!"


wanker Prove it or GTFO.

Well they must just be some dudes who came up to watch the match, cuz the house tables can't hold nearly that much. Y'know, the tables that every student has to sit at at the beginning of every year.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well they must just be some dudes who came up to watch the match, cuz the house tables can't hold nearly that much. Y'know, the tables that every student has to sit at at the beginning of every year. And the OP never stated HOW MANY wizards are there

It said Hogwarts. Not Hogwarts and guests. Nice try though.

Says "Wizards and Hogwarts." I'm gonna place it during GOF. High end screen feats and all.

Oh yeah, DEMENTORS were there too.

Not your thread, not your call to make buddy. 'Wizards and Hogwarts' could just as easily mean the wizards themselves and the castle.

Xavier has some fun with the Dementors.

Originally posted by Nephthys
It said Hogwarts. Not Hogwarts and guests. Nice try though.

Yes.....to Neph, you listen..

Hehehheeheee

Originally posted by Nephthys
Not your thread, not your call to make buddy. 'Wizards and Hogwarts' could just as easily mean the wizards themselves and the castle.

Xavier has some fun with the Dementors.


Nah, we use high end screen feats here. High end screen feat for the number of wizards in the castle is GOF, when all three schools were there. MVF rules, babe.


And while Xavier is busy with the dementors, he gets death spelled.

OPoster has ruled.

ZAP!!!!



Empty wheelchair. Wolverine cries, roll to credits.

You going to have to do better then 'Zap!' I'm afraid.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
OPoster has ruled. 5 pages in? Too late for that, babe. Read the rules.

You didn't specify.

No, he was simply exptrapolating on the original intent in his OP, that this is Hogwarts vs the team, not Hogwarts plus some other dudes.

He said the wizards and the castle. He never specified where in the HP timeline it was.

GOF.

This isn't your thread, stop trying to hijack it. Even if it was GOF, gtfo trying to put the other schools and Fudge and Crouch in there. OP says Hogwarts. Just Hogwarts. End of discussion.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Anthony from the Twilight zone movie is touring London with Professor Xavier who is studying Anthony for consideration of inclusion into the X-school, when Anthony is suddenly reminded of Harry Potter.

He decides to go to pay a visit to the Wizards in Hogwarts, so he appears there and doesn't like the place and decides to destroy the Wizards and Hogwarts, and Xavier helps him. He wishes for Kenobi from the SW movies and he of course appears.

The confrontation begins.

No mention of WHICH wizards, or WHEN in the HP timeline this happens.

"the Wizards in Hogwarts" is the extent of it.

High end feats dictate that the fight takes place during GOF. After all, it'd be just like sadako to say "It's during Christmas break when all the students are gone."

Why does it make a difference if its GOF or not?

Because there are more wizards inside the castle. 3x at least. And the dementors are there.

Oh, and guess what. The only defense against a dementor is a patronus. So it's safe to say Xavier's mind powers won't work on them. Mind powers do not work on them. If it did, then the wizards would have used legilimens.





Dementors solo.

Hogwarts only mate. OP has clarified. Just Hogwarts.

Legilimens is a spell. Xavier has actual telepathy. Totallly different. The Dementors are sentient, ergo they have minds, ergo they can mind ****ed.

Originally posted by Nephthys


Hogwarts only mate. OP has clarified. Just Hogwarts. Afraid not, babe. Here, from the MVF rules:

7) When the thread starter makes a new thread, it is very important to cement the conditions of the scenario in the first few posts. This is to avoid confusion and frustration among the other posters. It will not be acceptable for the thread starter to randomly change the conditions of the thread at random intervals. Once the settings/weapons/gear/handicaps/abilities/etc have been cemented in the first few posts of the thread, that is how they will stay. Therefore, be very sure and for certain of how you want your thread to be constructed.

When the thread starter makes a new thread, it is very important to cement the conditions of the scenario in the first few posts. It will not be acceptable for the thread starter to randomly change the conditions of the thread at random intervals. Once the settings/weapons/gear/handicaps/abilities/etc have been cemented in the first few posts of the thread, that is how they will stay.

We're damn near 6 pages in, far beyond a few posts. I am perfectly within my rights to choose that the fight takes place during GOF.

Emphasis mine. He isn't changing anything. He is just clarifying what the OP meant, that this is Hogwarts only. Nothing has changed.



Bull. Shit. The thread starter doesn't get to choose the incarnation so you do? Lol, **** off with that shit!

Originally posted by Nephthys
Emphasis mine. He isn't changing anything. He is just clarifying what the OP meant, that this is Hogwarts only. Nothing has changed.



Bull. Shit. The thread starter doesn't get to choose the incarnation so you do? Lol, **** off with that shit!

No, the OP said "The Wizards in Hogwarts." Now that I have an argument that guarantees wizard victory, he decides to change it.

His fault for not being specific enough. His spite thread is now turned on him. Again.

No, its when we asked for clarification and when the topic became relevent.

And since when are dementor's wizards.

No, seriously, you do not get to decide jack shit about this thread. Either the OP decides, a mod will, or we'll just have to accept that we won't have clarification.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, its when we asked for clarification and when he topic became relevent.

And since when are dementor's wizards.

No, seriously, you do not get to decide jack shit about this thread. Either the OP decides, a mod will, or we'll just have to accept that we won't have clarification.

Clarification= Change. The OP is what it is.

If the mod decides to side with what you are saying, he'll be going against his own rules. Pretty sure he wouldn't, though, especially since this thread itself goes against forum rules.



Doesn't really matter, dementors are overkill. The hall of prophesies will warn of the attack and the wizards will have knowledge of the attack.

No it isn't and no he won't. The very definition of clarification is to make an already existing object or idea clear and intelligible. Not changing anything, just clarifying.



The wizards were not given prep.

When the thread starter makes a new thread, it is very important to cement the conditions of the scenario in the first few posts.

He didn't. He can clarify during the first few posts, not 6 pages in.

He failed to do so. He is now trying to clarify since I said it takes place during GOF, using high end screen feats, which is what we do here.

He started a HP spite thread and it got turned back on him, yet again.

He did cement the bloody conditions. It's just you nitpicking the freaking wording of the OP and trying to gimp the thread in your favour. Again. The OP clearly says 'Hogwarts'. It does not say 'Hogwarts and 2 other fricking schools plus representatives of the ministry of magic and dementors.' Only Hogwarts. Just let it go and stop trying to gimp the thread to the only scenario where the wizards stand a chance. Let it go.



That isn't the high-end screen feats of Hogwarts. The real high-end feats would be in the sixth movie, as this is the incarnation in which the most spells have been revealed to the audience and are within the characters skillset and the movie in which Slughorn has an entire cauldron of Felix Felicus in his dungeon. That is the high-end screen feat of hogwarts. Your reasoning that GOF is the high-end is flawed because it isn't Hogwarts, getting the 'feats'. The other schools are completely seperate from Hogwarts as are the ministry representatives and the dementors. They are in no way affiliated with Hogwarts whatsoever.

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j/k.

Nah.

You know, technically I'm right. Impediment, being the diplomatic mod of the people, will probably say the clarification is fine. But if we go by MVF rules, I'm right.


Moot point, Xavier can't mind rape someone on the other side of the world.

TROLL! TROLL IN THE FORUM!

Just thought you should know. *pretends to pass out on the floor*

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You know, technically I'm right. Impediment, being the diplomatic mod of the people, will probably say the clarification is fine. But if we go by MVF rules, I'm right.


Moot point, Xavier can't mind rape someone on the other side of the world.
Nah. Impediment would say that you are posting in bad faith by giving the defenders reinforcements not specifically specified by the OP.

You're in the wrong here, RJ.

No, I'm not. Here's what happened...

Sadako started a spite thread.

We debated for 5 pages.

I took the OP and stated a way for the wizards to win.

sadako saw this, and altered the OP.



This is the precise reason Mattie decreed that the OP can be altered for only a few posts.

Dude all the Mac threads, the SW/HP threads YOU created or perpetuated needlessly from butthurt...?

You're the last person on earth to be able to level that statement at someone.

You just don't like it because this is another thread that the Wizards have been shown to be beaten in.
You dont like it because it shows how a man in a wheelchair, a boy and a Jedi that the boy pulled out of SW have just killed all the HP the wizards.
You dont like it because it shows the irrationality of your constant insistance that the Wizards trump anyone with real capability.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, I'm not. Here's what happened...

Sadako started a spite thread.

We debated for 5 pages.

I took the OP and stated a way for the wizards to win.

sadako saw this, and altered the OP.



This is the precise reason Mattie decreed that the OP can be altered for only a few posts. You've got to admit though: your intense love of the Harry Potter universe (as stupid as it is) has a tendency to bring out a miasma of fanboyism and arrogance in you.


Not that the Internet would demand any less...

crylaugh And all you have to offer in the wizard threads is "The wizards were dead a long time ago."

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Originally posted by Lord Lucien
You've got to admit though: your intense love of the Harry Potter universe (as stupid as it is) has a tendency to bring out a miasma of fanboyism and arrogance in you.


Not that the Internet would demand any less... Fanboyism? You do know that I love SW far more than HP, yes? Me thinking that wizards beat SW all day every day is literally the opposite of fanboyism.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Fanboyism? You do know that I love SW far more than HP, yes? Me thinking that wizards beat SW all day every day is literally the opposite of fanboyism. Hey, I'm just summarizing what you tend to show us.

Nope. I do say that but it was backed up by fact and agreed with by the majority of peers here.

Ratification and validation was got.

The notion that HP beats Sw was laughed at when looked at closely.
And rightly so.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Hey, I'm just summarizing what you tend to show us. haermm You're making an assumption, dude. Sadako is the fanboy, man. Myself and a few others have proven that wizards are more powerful, man. DDM and I both love SW more than HP, but that doesn't mean we side with our fave. That's a Sadako thing.

Get it now?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
haermm You're making an assumption, dude. Sadako is the fanboy, man. Myself and a few others have proven that wizards are more powerful, man. DDM and I both love SW more than HP, but that doesn't mean we side with our fave. That's a Sadako thing.

Get it now? You can love Star Wars more than Harry Potter all you want. But laughing at/mocking people's arguments when they oppose your chosen side is picturesque arrogance/douchebaggery.


Again, not that the Internet demands any less...

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
haermm You're making an assumption, dude. Sadako is the fanboy, man. Myself and a few others have proven that wizards are more powerful, man. DDM and I both love SW more than HP, but that doesn't mean we side with our fave. That's a Sadako thing.

Get it now?

LOL

Sure, RJ.... Sure....

Seriously who are you trying to convince/delude..?? Everyone who has every seen you posting here ever will know how crazy you are for the wizards. and they'll also have seen you making a fool of yourself for trying to deny it.

lol

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
You can love Star Wars more than Harry Potter all you want. But laughing at/mocking people's arguments when they oppose your chosen side is picturesque arrogance/douchebaggery.


Again, not that the Internet demands any less... Just returning the favor, babe.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Just returning the favor, babe. Internet blood bros! *high fives*

K.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He did cement the bloody conditions. It's just you nitpicking the freaking wording of the OP and trying to gimp the thread in your favour. Again.

Exactly the opposite is true.

By giving the wizards access to tools that they have access to in the majority of the films, he is doing the opposite of gimping. Removing those tools from the wizards, however, WOULD constitute gimping, but it would still be allowed because the Hogwarts masters do not always have control of the dementors.

Additionally, the OP did not state whether or not dementors were allowed, what time frames the HP universe snapshot is taken (generally, for progressive or series movies, we must state which version of the characters are or which movie they come from. Another example of this would be using Neo: Neo obviously becomes much more uber in the first film and that uberness is even greater in the next two films. Another two examples would be the progression of Percy Jackson or the sorcerer's apprentice stuff.) Since the OP failed to mention which time period for the characters and did not dissallow some very important portions from the HP-verse, it would be breaking the rules to do so after the first few posts. (Generally, we've welcomed those changes up through the first page. Beyond that has not been accepted. Actually, sometimes, not even down to the bottom of the first page has been accepted: some want it to be in the first 3or 4 posts of the thread starter.)

I get why RJ pisses you off: I've been on the receiving end of RJ in discussions before, as well. I understand how it can get frustrating. But don't let that frustration get in the way of rational thought. And, holy shit, dude, you're like the coolest guy outside of the MVF. RJ REALLY pisses you off.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The OP clearly says 'Hogwarts'. It does not say 'Hogwarts and 2 other fricking schools plus representatives of the ministry of magic and dementors.' Only Hogwarts. Just let it go and stop trying to gimp the thread to the only scenario where the wizards stand a chance. Let it go.

And the dementors were present on Hogwarts grounds in some of the movies. RJ has done nothing incorrect in his points. The OP was not clear enough and it is too late to make amendments to the thread.

Hell, even I forgot about the Dementors and I'm supposed to be "Mr. Granular."



Originally posted by Nephthys
That isn't the high-end screen feats of Hogwarts. The real high-end feats would be in the sixth movie, as this is the incarnation in which the most spells have been revealed to the audience and are within the characters skillset and the movie in which Slughorn has an entire cauldron of Felix Felicus in his dungeon. That is the high-end screen feat of hogwarts. Your reasoning that GOF is the high-end is flawed because it isn't Hogwarts, getting the 'feats'. The other schools are completely seperate from Hogwarts as are the ministry representatives and the dementors. They are in no way affiliated with Hogwarts whatsoever.

I did not see a cauldron of that potion: it was a vial in a cabinet or around his neck, or something. There was a very poisonous potion brewed in a cauldron, however. Is that what you're referring to?

But, yeah, "high end screen feats" would have the Hogwarts masters in control of dementors as they were in film three.

'The majority of the movies'? You mean 1 out of 7, right? Now I'm no math whiz, but that doesn't seem like a majority to me. RJ is trying to gimp the thread so that its the Goblet of Fire incarnation, because thats the only one with more wizards in the castle than Xavier can mindrape comfortably (even though they're not a part of Hogwarts at all), and so that he has access to the dementors (though I can't actually recall them being in that movie personally). He is trying to give the wizards (read: Hogwarts specifically and only) reinforcements that were not mentioned anywhere in the OP so that he can 'win'. This is pretty much gimping at its finest imo.



So we assume something is there unless sepcified then, do we? Ok, then Obi-Wan has a Death Star and Xavier has Cerebro.



Which is why he hasn't done so. The only one trying to specify a time-frame is RJ, which he certainly has absolutely no authority to do.



But they were not members of Hogwarts school of witchcraft and wizardry in any way. They were bodygaurds in the employ of the ministry of magic. RJ's argument would be like me saying that since the Basilisk/Voldemort/The Death Eaters/Grawp/The Centuars etc stood in the school grounds at some point they're all members of every Hogwarts thread. No, they are not affiliated with the castle, in any movie save flashbacks, so they are not a part of Hogwarts as a collective.



You are correct. I was confusing the book and the movies.



Bullshit. The Hogwarts masters were not in control of the dementors in any way shape or form. Not once do they obey a member of Hogwarts at all. Every time they must be chased away with Patronuses and they actively seek to harm the students of the school at least twice. They work for the Ministry, not Hogwarts. End of discussion.

Neph is right.

Originally posted by Nephthys
'The majority of the movies'? You mean 1-2 out of 7, right? Now I'm no math whiz, but that doesn't seem like a majority to me. RJ is trying to gimp the thread so that its the Goblet of Fire incarnation, because thats the only one with more wizards in the castle than Xavier can mindrape comfortably, and so that he has access to the dementors (though I can't actually recall them being in that movie personally). He is trying to give the wizards (read: Hogwarts specifically and only) reinforcements that where not mentioned anywhere in the OP so that he can 'win'. This is pretty much gimping at its finest imo.

Incorrect.

They wizards have access to "use" the dementors in movies 1-5..maybe 6. (I think they lose control of them in six or something.)

The dementors are under the control of the "good" wizards until then.

And, that's not gimping: that's adhering to the "high end screen feats" rule that is usually understood in vs. discussions.

Wait, we may just have a small misunderstanding of what "gimping" means.

I think that gimping means taking things and abilities away from characters in versus threads that they have access to. i.e. Taking away Neo's ability to fly, putting McClane in a room with NOTHING but steel walls (because McClane is at his best when there's shit everywhere to use to beat the shit out of his oppenents...shit (had to type "shit" one more time just for fun)), etc.

What is your definition of gimping?


Originally posted by Nephthys
So we assume something is there unless sepcified then, do we? Ok, then Obi-Wan has a death star and Xavier has Cerebro.

The Death Star was never in control or a tool of Obi Wan. That won't work.

But I was under the assumption that Cerebro was allowed. Was it not?



Originally posted by Nephthys
Which is why he hasn't done so. The only one trying to specify a time-frame is RJ, which he certainly has absolutely no authority to do.

No, he's just adhering to the "high end screen feats" idea.

If no time-frame is specified, all of us can choose which tools each side gets if they are specifically not disallowed in the OP. That's why Impediment wants us to make the thread conditions so very clear in the OP: to prevent shit like this. (That's part of why someone named him the best debator in the "Best all-around KMC poster" award thread: he can see some of these shitstorms before they happen.)





Originally posted by Nephthys
But they were not members of Hogwarts svhool of witchcraft and wizardry in any way. They were bodygaurds in the employ of the ministry of magic. RJ's argument would be like me saying that since the Basilisk/Voldemort/The Death Eaters were in the school at some point they're all members of every Hogwarts thread. No, they are not affiliated with the castle, in any movie save flashbacks, so they are not a part of Hogwarts as a collective.

But the Death Eaters and Voldemort are not members of Hogwarts during the movies.



Originally posted by Nephthys
You are correct. I was confusing the book and the movies.

Cool. No one can say you never admit fault, now. Remember this post as people around these parts will accuse you of this, quite often. A quick link to this post of yours should shut them up, as have other posts I "remember" to post any time someone claims I never admit fault.



Originally posted by Nephthys
Bullshit. The Hogwarts masters were not in control of the dementors in any way shape or form. Not once do they obey a member of Hogwarts at all. Every time they must be chased away with Patronuses and they actively seek to harm the students of the school at least twice. They work for the Ministry, not Hogwarts. End of discussion.

Incorrect.

They were deployed by the ministry of Magic to protect Hogwarts and they did listen to the school masters.

This fits the bill, perfectly, as tools for the Hogwarts dwellers. They WILL protect Hogwarts from perceived threats, which includes the people in this thread.

Additionally, dementors are not mindless fools: they have sentience. They dared not openly feed on the students despite there being hundreds or even over a thousand of delicious happy souls to feed on.


However, and this is a big however...........the people of Hogwarts will be dead before the dementors can do anything, imo.

The thread would then be over.


Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Neph is right.

Which portions? Because he is definitely wrong on a couple of points and partially right on another.

Mainly the dementors bit.

I agree that High end feats are to be allowed, but RJ seems to disagree routinely with this, insisting frequently that presenting his "opponent's" low end feats as their high end....and other such reductionist gimpery.

You're right that the deathstar was never an Obi-wan resource.
He did have star Destroyers at his disposal.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
I agree that High end feats are to be allowed, but RJ seems to disagree routinely with this, insisting frequently that presenting his "opponent's" low end feats as their high end....and other such reductionist gimpery.

You're right that the deathstar was never an Obi-wan resource.
He did have star Destroyers at his disposal.

I agree that RJ is very inconsistent and does make his choices to fit his angle on these discussions. But aren't we all guilty of the same? Often times...I uh.....don't mention ways in which I could be wrong on my choices in the hopes that others do not figure out what I've already thought of. RJ could probably think of dozens of times I have told him not to mention "pwns" to certain points he's made. He often runs ideas past me to see if I'll think of counter arguments.

And, yes, the predecessors of the Star Destroyers would be tools that Obi-wan has. It's quite obvious that those pre-Star Destroyers were at Obi Wan's command because he was a FREAKIN' general in the Clone Wars.




But what does the 'screen feats only' rule do to the idea of him getting one? He was never seen in or commanding one in the movies: it was never a "tool" used by Obi-wan in the movies. This is where the "screen feats only" rule gets in the way of logic. I say they should be allowed in any Obi Wan thread, unless the thread starter specifies differently just as you would and anyone else that knows even a little about Star Wars.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Incorrect.

They wizards have access to "use" the dementors in movies 1-5..maybe 6. (I think they lose control of them in six or something.)

The dementors are under the control of the "good" wizards until then.

The wizards? Yes. Hogwarts? No. As I have stated over and over, the dementors work for the ministry, not Hogwarts. If Dumbledore tried to give a ministry-controlled Dementore an order, it wouldn't work, because he has no authority over them.



I quite disagree. RJ never mentioned this topic until I proved that there are enough wizards in Hogwarts for Xavier to mindcontrol. Suddenly he's talking about adding 2 more schools and dementors. He's trying to, as Zampano said, better than I could, 'give the defenders reinforcements not specifically specified by the OP.'





I was merely giving an example, though as Sadako pointed out, he does have a Clone Wars Capital Ship under his command as per ROTS.



I doubt Xavier lugged the thing to Hogwarts.



And I have proven why he is incorrect in his choice.



So you're saying that if the OP doesn't specify something we each get to personally choose too include or exclude it? Lol, thats fair. Nah, I'm going to call bullshit on that.







Neither are the Dementors. Or the other schools. Or the ministry officials.





Well I checked youtube and you were right. I'm not going to lie about shit, now am I?




So when someone is tasked with protecting someone, they work for them? No, that is not how this works. The dementors were tasked with preventing Serious Blacks entrance to the school and and to capture him. By the ministry. They do not work for Hogwarts in this matter. And when did they ever listen to the school masters?




They are not 'tools', they are sentient beings.

Combatants that were not included in this thread.



They are just as likely to attack the shool itself as the intruders. Even if the were actually in the thread. Which they are not.



They seemed fine to atack Harry in the forest.



Oh, I quite agree.



Actually he was. The scene's where he's going after Grievous. He appears both on the ship as a general and commands the attack.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The wizards? Yes. Hogwarts? No. As I have stated over and over, the dementors work for the ministry, not Hogwarts. If Dumbledore tried to give a ministry-controlled Dementore an order, it wouldn't work, because he has no authority over them.

1. False as the Hogwarts masters DID have control and could direct the dementors to a perceived threat, ie, if Black was discovered, they were to direct the dementors towards the thread and call the Ministry authorities.
2. It's a moot point because they are their protecting Hogwarts from all directions, both on and off the grounds.



Originally posted by Nephthys
I quite disagree. RJ never mentioned this topic until I proved that there are enough wizards in Hogwarts for Xavier to mindcontrol. Suddenly he's talking about adding 2 more schools and dementors. He's trying to, as Zampano said, better than I could, 'give the defenders reinforcements not specifically specified by the OP.'

I agree that the other schools do NOT count. The dementors do, due to a fault of the OP not being ironclad.





Originally posted by Nephthys
I was merely giving an example, though as Sadako pointed out, he does have a Clone Wars Capital Ship under his command as per ROTS.

Furthering the point that this thread is done, imo. naughty



Originally posted by Nephthys
I doubt Xavier lugged the thing to Hogwarts.

Why would he need to? 313

BOOYA!


Edit - Wait wait wait...I see your point. I forgot about the "technology" shield charm again.


Originally posted by Nephthys
And I have proven why he is incorrect in his choice.

I disagree, obviously. But we've said our pieces, right?



Originally posted by Nephthys
So you're saying that if the OP doesn't specify something we each get to personally choose too include or exclude it? Lol, thats fair. Nah, I'm going to call bullshit on that.

No, what I'm saying is: the OP wasn't specific on what time-frame of Harry Potter this is from so we can literally pick and choose ALL tools from ALL times because the OP did not state otherwise. Notice that some of the older threads say "from the Half-Blood Prince", "Goblet of Fire", or "Vader from Episode III, but before he becomes mostly Cyborg" but this thread does not specify something like that.

Quite fortunately, you can't call bullshit on that because we'd have a shit storm in every thread with people adding to and taking away from every thread, just like is happening in this thread right now.

We cannot simply pick and choose, multiple pages in, what we are not going to allow or disallow in our threads. Not only is that douchy, it's against the rules.







Originally posted by Nephthys
Neither are the Dementors. Or the other schools. Or the ministry officials.

But dementors were deployed at and protecting Hogwarts from invaders in movie 3...which you already knew. 313

That's the difference. Death Eaters and Volde were not, at any point, deployed to Hogwarts to protect it from invaders, else you would have a really damn good point.





Originally posted by Nephthys
Well I checked youtube and you were right. I'm not going to lie about shit, now am I?

Just trust me: save that quote or remember it and post it when people give you shit. It comes in handy when people try to slander you. It has happened to me no less than 3 times in the MVF: once by AC, once by RJ, and once by another person that I have forgoten about.




Originally posted by Nephthys
So when someone is tasked with protecting someone, they work for them? No, that is not how this works. The dementors were tasked with preventing Serious Blacks entrance to the school and and to capture him. By the ministry. They do not work for Hogwarts in this matter. And when did they ever listen to the school masters?

Strawman: in no way does anything you've stated above change the fact that they were deployed to and protecting Hogwarts, which makes them a nice tool to have since the OP did not restrict this thread to any particular HP movie or time period.




Originally posted by Nephthys
They are not 'tools', they are sentient beings.

Combatants that were not included in this thread.

But they were allowed, accidentally, when the thread starter did not specify a time-frame from which the HP people come.



Originally posted by Nephthys
They are just as likely to attack the shool itself as the intruders. Even if the were actually in the thread. Which they are not.

Incorrect. You yourself mentioned the extremely low amount of "attacks" to the students. Additionally, each of the headmasters was more than capable enough to fend off their attacks, which prevented this incorrect "danger" you are creating.

And, they are in the thread: as are those stupid pixie thingies they kept in jars and any other stupid shit kept at Hogwarts during movies 1-7.


Originally posted by Nephthys
They seemed fine to atack Harry in the forest.

The Forbidden Forest != Hogwarts Castle and Hogwarts Grounds.



Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh, I quite agree.

Indeed. So why are we even going at it?

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Mainly the dementors bit.

I agree that High end feats are to be allowed, but RJ seems to disagree routinely with this, insisting frequently that presenting his "opponent's" low end feats as their high end....and other such reductionist gimpery. This coming from the guy who always uses LW4 Riggs instead of Riggs in his prime. Hello, Pot.

You didn't specify which version of Obi Wan. TPM Kenobi didn't have star destroyers.

And no, he never had star destroyers at his disposal. Never. Not once.

pwned.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You didn't specify which version of Obi Wan. TPM Kenobi didn't have star destroyers.

And no, he never had star destroyers at his disposal. Never. Not once.

pwned.

Wait, by your own admission, we have to go by high end screen feats so we go with the best Kenobi: Ep. III

Originally posted by dadudemon
Wait, by your own admission, we have to go by high end screen feats so we go with the best Kenobi: Ep. III Mhm, and the latter part of my post stands.

They are at Hogwarts. How're the star destroyers gonna get there? In time to make a difference?

In the same way that if a civilian saw a criminal they would call the police. This is not the same as commanding the police though.



No, they are searching for Serius Black, not protecting the castle. And this assumes that the PoA incarnation is being used. When it isn't.



And I still disagree with that. Since when do we assume something is there unless specified it isn't? It's the other way around. We do not assume something without proof. Thats the way I've always seen the rules interpretated on KMC.



I agree, this thread should not have gotten past the first page. Though I disagree that Obi-Wan should get a Capital Ship under his command. It is not in his standard equipment, just as the dementors are not in Hogwarts.



You need to strap in to Cerebro, and its not exactly something you can fit into your pocket. Unless I've misinterpreted what you meant.



You mean that we can use anything from any movie even if it contradicts the timeframe? Like using feats from the sixth movie while using the dementors from the third?

Bull. Oney. This is never even implied in the new rules. GTFO with this shit.



Its happening anyway, as you said, so I don't know what your point was. Nowhere in the rules is this said.



But that is exactly what RJ did. Multiple pages in, after all his other arguements had failed he suddenly twisted the thread to allow him dementors. Bull. Shit.



They patrolled the grounds, but were not members of Hogwarts. And this thread is Just Hogwarts.



Not really. They were deployed by a group completely seperate from Hogwarts itself to perform a task within the grounds of Hogwarts. I'm not seeing much of a difference here.



It is not a Strawman, it cuts right to the heart of the issue. That the Dementors are completely independant from Hogwarts school with the only link being that they're near each other.

And if you consider them 'tools', then they fall under the Standard Equipment rules. Dementors are not standard guardians of Hogwarts, therefore they are not allowed.



The only reason they didn't attack was because they were under orders not to from the ministry. Even then they couldn't stop themselves. Here they are under no such thing (not even being in the thread for a start).



No.



The Forbidden Forest is actually a part of the grounds. Hagrid keeps the Threstals in there in fact, and tends to the forest partially (first movie, looking after the unicorns).



You interrupted my conversation with RJ.



I would assume it would be in orbit if it was actually in the thread.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
This coming from the guy who always uses LW4 Riggs instead of Riggs in his prime. Hello, Pot.

You didn't specify which version of Obi Wan. TPM Kenobi didn't have star destroyers.

And no, he never had star destroyers at his disposal. Never. Not once.

pwned.

Lethal weapon 1 or 3 actually.

Incorrect. Even in LW1, he is slow. And ALSO, if he hadnt learned how to block a basic jab, by LW3, it stands to reson perfectly well, that he hadnt leanrd it in LW1.

Thats right, but ROTS Kenobi did. Clone wars Kenobi did. High end, perfectly valid, indisputable screenfeat.

No, he didn't. haermm It's not standard gear or a power he has.

Originally posted by Nephthys
In the same way that if a civilian saw a criminal they would call the police. This is not the same as commanding the police though.

Incorrect and this is also a faulty comparison.

It would be similar to wild bodyguards protecting a very large family.

And, you are also incorrect on "commanding the police". Second in command from the ministry of Magic was the head of Hogwarts at one point during the time that the dementors were still under the control of the ministry of magic: Professor Umbridge. That directly flies in the face of your idea that they were not controlled by the Hogwarts masters.

This is also independent of your false assumption that the school masters did not exert control over the dementors.

Originally posted by N.
No, they are searching for Serius Black, not protecting the castle. And this assumes that the PoA incarnation is being used. When it isn't.

Incorrect: they were sent to Hogwarts to protect the students as well as Harry. Dumbledore specifically says, in the welcoming speech, that they were setup there at Hogwarts for protection. Keep in mind the Harry was not the only potential target. (However, I could be wrong about that: that may be a book-only tid-bit. If I'm wrong about this point, I will apologize.)

And you assume, incorrectly, that the PoA is excluded, when it isn't. Check the OP: no movie is specified so all of them apply.

Originally posted by N.
And I still disagree with that. Since when do we assume something is there unless specified it isn't? It's the other way around. We do not assume something without proof. Thats the way I've always seen the rules interpretated on KMC.

That's how it works, though. You can't make up rules that do not exist. The OP specifies the thread conditions. If the OP does not list a specific time-frame or movie, then all applicable movies and/or time frames are usable. This is similar to keeping a McClane thread open in a "sandbox" versus match with another character that also has a "sandbox" setup. I believe that particular thread has been done, too.

And, I've NEVER seen the rules interpreted that way. It's always about the OP and the thread conditions. The wider it's open, the worse threads gets unless it was intended to be that way.

Originally posted by N.
I agree, this thread should not have gotten past the first page. Though I disagree that Obi-Wan should get a Capital Ship under his command. It is not in his standard equipment, just as the dementors are not in Hogwarts.

Fair enough: at least you're willing to not give your chosen side more tools that they legitimately have while also denying your opposing side a similar "ultimate" weapon. If only everyone could compromise like that.

Originally posted by N.
You need to strap in to Cerebro, and its not exactly something you can fit into your pocket. Unless I've misinterpreted what you meant.

Yeah, RJ corrected me: the OP says that start at Hogwarts. Where, I dunno...cause Hogwarts is a gigantic place inside the castle alone. Then the grounds are rather large and that is part of Hogwarts, as well. So...anyway...where was I? Oh yeah, so, yeah, he doesn't get cerebro because he would have to travel back to the X-mansion to get cerebro some love.

Originally posted by N.
You mean that we can use anything from any movie even if it contradicts the timeframe? Like using feats from the sixth movie while using the dementors from the third?

Absolutely. This IS the "movie versus forum."

If you cannot or will not "pretend" that John McClane gets the SUV from Die Hard 4 with a couple of Missiles and the missile launcher from Die Hard 1, then versus discussions are not for you.

This would be similar to a hypothetical versus debate where we put Samehada into the hands of Bee and have him fight team Hawk as they were when they first fought: a hypothetical situation that could not occur because the sentient tool he gets occurs well after the Team Hawk battle. However, you would fully understand that debate. It's not different in the MVF.

Originally posted by N.
Bull. Oney. This is never even implied in the new rules. GTFO with this shit.

Never implied that we can't use movies to draw information, screen feats, and tools, for movie characters? AHA!

Originally posted by N.
Its happening anyway, as you said, so I don't know what your point was. Nowhere in the rules is this said.

My point is obvious: the OP is supposed to cement the thread conditions in the first couple of posts. After that, there's no changing the conditions.

This includes forgetting to take away tools, powers, and abilities from one side because you forgot about it as you wrote he OP. This is why it's "happening" in this thread: the thread starter forgot to cement that in his OP.

Originally posted by N.
But that is exactly what RJ did. Multiple pages in, after all his other arguements had failed he suddenly twisted the thread to allow him dementors. Bull. Shit.

If this was RJ's thread, you'd have a point. Since RJ is NOT changing the thread conditions, even a little bit, he's doing nothing wrong. However, if the thread starter tries to disallow the dementors, then that is bullshit: you can't change the thread conditions after the first few posts.

Do you see the difference and do you now see why we are disagreeing? If not, I think we should take it to PMs.

Originally posted by N.
They patrolled the grounds, but were not members of Hogwarts. And this thread is Just Hogwarts.

And being a member of Hogwarts is not necessary as they were on the side of Hogwarts at one point and were under the ministry's control in the first 6 films: no matter what else you can think of, they are usable and always have been usable because of how open-ended the OP is.

And, yeah, "Hogwarts" constitutes Hogwarts. Hogwarts is comprised of:

The Castle.

The Secret Chamber.

And Hogwarts grounds.

Read: everything inside of the shield charms.

Originally posted by N.
Not really. They were deployed by a group completely seperate from Hogwarts itself to perform a task within the grounds of Hogwarts. I'm not seeing much of a difference here.

B-but...I ALREADY told you what the difference was: Dementors were deployed to protect Hogwarts: Death Eaters and Volde never were.

Originally posted by N.
It is not a Strawman, it cuts right to the heart of the issue. That the Dementors are completely independant from Hogwarts school with the only link being that they're near each other.

Incorrect and this is why you don't see it as a gigantic strawman: they weren't independent of Hogwarts. If they were, then they'd have free reign on all of those delicious happy thoughts from the oblivious magical little shits (All I can picture is little turds running around screaming "WEEEEEEEE!" )

Originally posted by N.
And if you consider them 'tools', then they fall under the Standard Equipment rules. Dementors are not standard guardians of Hogwarts, therefore they are not allowed.

There is no "standard equipment rules."

Now, the thread starter can certainly MAKE one.

A "standard equipment" rule only applies if the thread starter says so in the OP. On top of that, dementors would be at the disposal of 2 out of the 7 movies: the 3rd and 5th movies.

Also, they are not allowed IFF the thread starter specifies by either an explicit list of "allow-ables" or an exclusionary list. That's it. Neither of those conditions apply to the Dementors, so RJ can have at it with the dementors in this thread.

Originally posted by N.
The only reason they didn't attack was because they were under orders not to from the ministry. Even then they couldn't stop themselves. Here they are under no such thing (not even being in the thread for a start).

The "only" reason, eh?

So, the thread of having some of the most powerful wizards in all of magical magic funzees doesn't stop them? On top of that, the threat of losing access to "happy soul sucking" the rest of their lives isn't a deterrent, either?

Originally posted by N.
No.

Really? That's your response. K, I'll lighten up a bit more and add more humor, too:

I know you are but what am I?

Originally posted by N.
The Forbidden Forest is actually a part of the grounds. Hagrid keeps the Threstals in there in fact, and tends to the forest partially (first movie, looking after the unicorns).

Incorrect.

The forbidden forest is not part of the grounds. It borders the grounds, sure, but it is specifically NOT part of the magical human community. Do you remember the whole minotaur speech given and about their dislike for magical people? If the magical beings "owned" the forest, why would they dwell there and not go off and live in a place that they did not despise?

This is just one of many examples of why the grounds are definitely NOT part of the hogwarts. (That, and the shield clearly does NOT cover the forest.)

Originally posted by N.
You interrupted my conversation with RJ.

I wouldn't call that a conversation: it was mostly you raping him with him interjecting with some good points every points. I.E. Dementors. As you can see, RJ and I disagree on this thread's outcome, which happens from time to time.


HOLY SHIT! That's a lot of words, Batman. I mean...DAMN!