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The wizards have captured the Matrix of leadership.
They no time turners, as its set after book 5, but they do have a prophesy, saying "The eater of worlds is coming, and so are a bunch of alien robots that change form".
No HP or TF EU, although Techspecs are submissible for matters of discussing limits/definitions of TF capability to keep it real...

The Cybertronians know that the Wizards have it and all of the TFs featured in the 1980s animated G1 movie know about it, and where it is. The must destroy the wizards, morals off and destroy Hogwarts, to retrive the Matrix... Autobots and Deceoticons work together alike.

They open a space bridge to Hogwarts and a battle for the Matrix is under way.

Harry Potter Versus G1 Transformers:
"One shall stand....and one shall fall."

Who wins...?

My next post is gonna be a long one, so bear with me.

I can just see the posts from Rogue Jedi........

Transformers have too much going for them. Many of them besides their standard blasters which would obviously one-shot kill any wizard; just about every transformer has a special ability.


Was gonna do a long detailed post, but nevermind, here's the basics.

Over 70 transformers were shown in the movie including Unicron.

Among that list includes the Insecticons, one of which can fire cerebro-shells and mentally control anyone hit.

The Constructicons, one of whom can shoot acid, and they all form Devastator

Dinobots who can cause Earthquakes, shoot high intensity flames, shoot missiles, and are just all around indestructible for the most part.

Sharkticons who just swarm with sheer numbers

All the Decepticons upgraded by Unicron. Scourge, the Sweeps, Cyclonus, Galvatron.

Soundwave and Blaster, plus all their cassettes

Ultra Magnus, Optimus, Kup, Hot Rod, Springer, Blurr, etc...

Star Scream, Blitzwing, Astrotrain(whose one of the larger transformers due to his triple-changer status)

Wreck-Gar and all the Junkions, who are for all intents and purposes indestructible. As they just put themselves back together if beaten.

The list goes on for ages, and a staggering amount of these guys have secondary ability that does crazy damage...like Ironhides magma launcher and Cliffjumpers glass gun.

On top of that, there's no telling if a majority of the more detailed spells will have any effect at all.

Wait, Unicron is in this fight? ROFLstomp a-hoy!

We still need to remove the wizards from their hidy hole: no more Hogwarts castle in the versus threads.

Take a page from the Robtard thread book and put them, always, in a castle that looks eerily similar to Hogwarts.



Other than that, I think this is a good matchup, actually.

Unicron in this? If he is, it's a landslide victory for the TFs...well...assuming the planet starts to get consumed before the Wizards cast a reducto spell on Unicron. Also assuming that no shields exist.

Also, how are the TFs supposed to get passed the physical shield charms that are imprenable by physical means (and can only be broken through by very powerful magic)? Also, if they figure out a way to get through the physical shields, there's also the technology shield charms that prevents technology from working while inside of the shield: they could still shoot from a distance.

I'm assuming if Unicron is in the fight, it's at the end or something, as having him truly fighting is unfair.

And just because it's not in the OP, people should realize that the starter intended for any wards or whatever to be nullified. Can't have robots fighting if there's a ward that turns em off. Although, Transformers tech is millions, maybe billions of years ahead of Earth, especially Harry Potter Earth which was somewhere well before the 90's. The wards may not be powerful enough to even affect them.

Originally posted by dadudemon
We still need to remove the wizards from their hidy hole: no more Hogwarts castle in the versus threads.

Take a page from the Robtard thread book and put them, always, in a castle that looks eerily similar to Hogwarts.



Other than that, I think this is a good matchup, actually.

Unicron in this? If he is, it's a landslide victory for the TFs...well...assuming the planet starts to get consumed before the Wizards cast a reducto spell on Unicron. Also assuming that no shields exist.

Also, how are the TFs supposed to get passed the physical shield charms that are imprenable by physical means (and can only be broken through by very powerful magic)? Also, if they figure out a way to get through the physical shields, there's also the technology shield charms that prevents technology from working while inside of the shield: they could still shoot from a distance.

If the TFS get Unicron, The Hogwarts castle can be as invisible as it likes, in the sake of fairness..

Originally posted by KingD19
I'm assuming if Unicron is in the fight, it's at the end or something, as having him truly fighting is unfair.

And just because it's not in the OP, people should realize that the starter intended for any wards or whatever to be nullified. Can't have robots fighting if there's a ward that turns em off. Although, Transformers tech is millions, maybe billions of years ahead of Earth, especially Harry Potter Earth which was somewhere well before the 90's. The wards may not be powerful enough to even affect them.

TF tech is less than a 100 years ahead of ours. Self-repairing structures: we have the technology, now.

AI?: we have primitive forms of it that can pass several sections of the Turing test. We estimate a breakthrough somewhere in the 2020s with a "true AI." Scary, isn't it?

FTL travel? Never happen as we currently know it as that would defy the laws of physics. It is "magic" not science, at that point.

Energy weapons or plasma balls that travel very very slowly? We can do that in primitive forms, now, but the plasma would quickly cools off so shooting it is pretty much useless. Meh, it's possible, but it may not be.

Anyway, the HP stuff occurs in the 90s up through 1998.


And the charms/shields/wards or whatever peeps want to call them, are part of their powers and nulling them would be a gimp, I know...but it just has to happen if there is to be a matchup. I'm sure some posters would get PO'd about gimping one side to have a matchup, though. However, I do not see a problem with starting the fight on a neutral ground without their shields in place, already. Sounds fair, right? The TFs do not get special prep so the wizards shouldn't either, right? What do you guys think, fair?

Also, more evidence that their tech is more advanced is that they are silicon based alien entitys that have lifeforce beyond AI.
Then the ability for them to be able to mere minds as parts of gestault forms.
The ability to seemingly reduce/increase matter/size... pandimensional storage..?
Not all TF weapons discharges travel slowly.

Originally posted by KingD19
Transformers have too much going for them. Many of them besides their standard blasters which would obviously one-shot kill any wizard; just about every transformer has a special ability.


Was gonna do a long detailed post, but nevermind, here's the basics.

Over 70 transformers were shown in the movie including Unicron.

Among that list includes the Insecticons, one of which can fire cerebro-shells and mentally control anyone hit.

The Constructicons, one of whom can shoot acid, and they all form Devastator

Dinobots who can cause Earthquakes, shoot high intensity flames, shoot missiles, and are just all around indestructible for the most part.

Sharkticons who just swarm with sheer numbers

All the Decepticons upgraded by Unicron. Scourge, the Sweeps, Cyclonus, Galvatron.

Soundwave and Blaster, plus all their cassettes

Ultra Magnus, Optimus, Kup, Hot Rod, Springer, Blurr, etc...

Star Scream, Blitzwing, Astrotrain(whose one of the larger transformers due to his triple-changer status)

Wreck-Gar and all the Junkions, who are for all intents and purposes indestructible. As they just put themselves back together if beaten.

The list goes on for ages, and a staggering amount of these guys have secondary ability that does crazy damage...like Ironhides magma launcher and Cliffjumpers glass gun.

On top of that, there's no telling if a majority of the more detailed spells will have any effect at all.

A well written list. Kudos to you sir for your G1 knowledge.

The funny thing is I was born after the series was over. But I fell in love with it and now I know a thing or two.

Well Im old school from back in the day, and I wouldn't have been able to sum it up better than that. Nice one.

Just goes to so what a buncha pussies those HP wizards are when confronted by a REAL threat from a REAL strike force..

Yeah, and that 70's number I gave was counting individuals and the leader or a single entity representing a group. Like Wreck-Gar is counted as 1, and the Junkions are counted with him as he's a Junkion. But in reality, there were hundreds. Same goes for the Sharkticons...it was so many of them that they climbed over each other to make a wall to reach the Quintessons...who themselvers were on a wall hundreds of feet higher than the ground.

Metroplex was also featured subtly too.

Yeah, as Metroplex is in essence Autobot City, and although they only shifted him into fortress mode, he's a beast.

Wow.

We are really nerdy.

w00t

We aint no tourists, thats for sure.

Nerds will inherit the Earth.

Amen.

Originally posted by Kazenji
I can just see the posts from Rogue Jedi........

Where are they...?

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
If the TFS get Unicron, The Hogwarts castle can be as invisible as it likes, in the sake of fairness..

They don't know the meaning of the word.

What's to stop the wizards from turning them into tin cans?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
What's to stop the wizards from turning them into tin cans?

Getting shot by a massive blaster, that would stop a wizard.

Originally posted by Robtard
Getting shot by a massive blaster, that would stop a wizard. What would keep the wizards from apparating away? How would the blast get past a shield charm?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
What would keep the wizards from apparating away? How would the blast get past a shield charm?

While possible, I think you're viewing the wizards ability to attack-teleport-attack etc as being on par with the Nightcrawler scene in X2.

Don't think it's so, not even close. NC would assrape all of Hogwarts; then go have a snack.

Originally posted by Robtard
While possible, I think you're viewing the wizards ability to attack-teleport-attack etc as being on par with the Nightcrawler scene in X2.

Don't think it's so, not even close. NC would assrape all of Hogwarts; then go have a snack.

But they can, in fact, apparate out of harm's way. By the time the TF's figure out where they have apparated to, they can apparate again. It doesn't have to be rapid fire apparating.

No. NC would get raped by one wizard half apparating.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
But they can, in fact, apparate out of harm's way. By the time the TF's figure out where they have apparated to, they can apparate again. It doesn't have to be rapid fire apparating.

No. NC would get raped by one wizard half apparating.

While it would work sometimes here, not all the time.

Again, it seems you're making the powers exponentially more powerful than shown. They need to return to human form to cast the vast majority of their spells, going from the films.

Originally posted by Robtard
While it would work sometimes here, not all the time.

Again, it seems you're making the powers exponentially more powerful than shown. They need to return to human form to cast the vast majority of their spells, going from the films. No, they don't. There are many instances of wizards casting spells while half apparating.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, they don't. There are many instances of wizards casting spells while half apparating.

Let me guess, the same circle-o-fire spell over and over?

Originally posted by Robtard
Let me guess, the same circle-o-fire spell over and over? The fiendfyre took the shape of a circle because that's what Bellatrix wanted it to do. She wanted the fire to separate Harry from the adults.

There are many more spells that can be cast here. The most likely of which are vanishing spells or transfiguration.

We've been over this. YOU CAN'T PROVE THAT IT WAS FIENDFYRE

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Also, more evidence that their tech is more advanced is that they are silicon based alien entitys that have lifeforce beyond AI.

That's true: they have souls or some sh*t.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Then the ability for them to be able to mere minds as parts of gestault forms.

Yeah...I think you're saying that they have souls.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
The ability to seemingly reduce/increase matter/size... pandimensional storage..?

That would be magic as that would require an infinite amount of energy.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Not all TF weapons discharges travel slowly.

I was referring to them all traveling extremely far less than c.

Wow, some people hate the wizards. This is a stompage.

It is, really. The wizards simply vanish them.

Soundwave reads Voldemorts mind, and orders Bombshell to cerebro shell Voldermort, once done, he commands Voldemort to unleash Fiendfyre on his fellow wizards.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Soundwave reads Voldemorts mind, and orders Bombshell to cerebro shell Voldermort, once done, he commands Voldemort to unleash Fiendfyre on his fellow wizards. Occlumency. Try again. Besides, Soundwave can't read shit if he's in a million pieces.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Occlumency. Try again. Besides, Soundwave can't read shit if he's in a million pieces.

No, one is technology, the other is magic.

Unless they all cast dynamic (meaning it moves with them) anti-electronic shield charms on themselves, they have no protection against technology that can read minds.

This is the same reason that Jedi are not immune to legilimens and wizards immune to Jedi mind reading: two separate abilities.

OK then, they legilimens his ass and turn him on his comrades?

Hound and Mirage project holograms that draw most of the wizards fire.

The Seekers go in.
Thundercracker sonic booms them.
Ramjet crashes in thought the roof, transforms and starts shooting all the surprised wizards that werent crushed by masonry as he crashed through,
Thrust snipes and Dirge wils over head firing and letting his dirge sound demoralise and depress the wizard forces.

Soundwave reads Voldemorts mind, and orders Bombshell to cerebro shell Voldermort, once done, he commands Voldemort to unleash Fiendfyre on his fellow wizards. This covers the 1st wave of Sharkiticns as the storm the gates and eat many of the wizards at the frontlines who are overwhelmed by the sheer weight of numbers.

Shockwave, Megatron and Galvatron all transform into their gun modes and unleash Fusion canon, Particle cannon and Xray rad blasts on the crowds of wizards emerging from the crumbling structure.

Devastator punches Dumbledore, Snape and most of the Wizard staff at hogwarts with one fist in one shot with such force that it crushes them not to liquid, but gas.

Meanwhile the dinobots are attacking the rear of the castle.
Grimlock is irritated by humans as it is and his fury against the wizards is the stuff of legends as his and his team mates launch an assault on the fleshlings that makes the end of "King Kong" look like "Love actually". Slag roasts everyone with flames, Sludges stomps crowds and earthquakes 'em, Swoop flies in and grabs wizards from high places in Hogwarts then drops them from half a mile high to their death, Snarl uses his tail blasters and physical hits from it on the corner foundations of hogwarts. starting to bring it down, with sludges earthquake help.
All the cassettes and insecticons go in, skulking and sneaking through the shadows taking out isolated Wizards in singles and pairs.
Metroplex arrives outside, tranforms into battle station mode and aims all of his cannons at hogwarts and waits for orders from Prime.

All the death eaters are taken out in one barrage from Shockwave, Megatron and Galavatron.

Ironhide shoots liquid Nitrogen at a whole bunch of crowd, they freeze and Ratchet comes through cutting their heads off with his laser scalpel, sometimes just stamping on them.....

Grimlock emerges with blood and yellow tatters of flesh and fat hanging off of his dino mode jaws, and the Matrix of leadership in his claws and he brings down the main hall along with Devastator.

The TFS retreat from and from around whats left of the structure with the matrix and Prime gives the orders to Metrorplex.

He fires. Good bye forever, Hogwarts.

Nah, the wizards sip Felix Felicis and succeed in every endeavor they undertake.

Thanks for playing, /thread.

Well thats good, cause all they gotta do here when shot, burned, smashed, crushed, lasered, blown up, chewed on stomped etc is die.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Well thats good, cause all they gotta do here when shot, burned, smashed, crushed, lasered, blown up, chewed on stomped etc is die. Protego. Say it with me......PROTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEGO!!!!!

Yes but Bombshell commands several dark wizards:

So looks like YOU'RE gonna have to say "Avada Kedavra" with ME. lol

This thread should have been closed the second Unicron was mentioned. Wizards cannot deal with something that literally eats planets.

He comes in at the very end of the fight.
Ive not had him eat a planet yet, reorder there physical structure on a subatomic level or even remote torturebeam anyone.

Hes just spectating right now.


The TFs are now mostly in vehicle modes playing hit and run with some of the wounded trying to escape and playing baseball with treetrunks as bat and wizards as the ball.
Skywarp keeps annihilating apparators by warping after them then blasting them into atoms.

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From 1.20 onwards.

Yup, should be no problem for magic thats" More powerful than the force" according to RJ - a force which enables people to blow up death stars. btw.. )

This is an illustration of his inaccuracy.

Originally posted by Nephthys
This thread should have been closed the second Unicron was mentioned. Wizards cannot deal with something that literally eats planets.

The wizards turn him into a giant bunny.

Blurr speed blitzs.

Theres no proof that HP can go beyond our atmosphere.

Total good call on Blurr...the guys a virtual one army/high speed mobile turret.

Oooooh yeah. He'll be displaying a few wizard scalps later for sure.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Nah, the wizards sip Felix Felicis and succeed in every endeavor they undertake.

Thanks for playing, /thread.

No limit fallacy.

So If Harry Potter drank an FF potion and decided to put the Sun in his pocket, he'd somehow succeed?

LOL this FF potion is a joke and would likely back fire on them once in a serious fight.

Felix Felicis, also called "liquid luck", is a magical potion. Felix Felicis makes the drinker lucky for a period of time, depending on how much is taken, during which everything they attempt will be successful. It's meant to be used sparingly, however, as it causes giddiness, recklessness, and dangerous overconfidence if taken in excess. Felix is highly toxic in large quantities and is also a banned substance in all organised competitions, such as Quidditch, along with all other methods of cheating. It is very difficult to make, disastrous to get wrong, and requires six months to stew before it's ready to be consumed.

need to rewatch the animated movie, but from what i remember Hogwarts is doomed

Originally posted by Robtard
No limit fallacy.

So If Harry Potter drank an FF potion and decided to put the Sun in his pocket, he'd somehow succeed?

That's correct. That's how it works.

It's the God potion.


This is why I say it should never be allowed in vs. threads.

Originally posted by Robtard
No limit fallacy.

So If Harry Potter drank an FF potion and decided to put the Sun in his pocket, he'd somehow succeed? Yes!!!!!

ugh3

All we have declaring that you'd succeed in 'every endevour' is Slughorn. Slughorn's a pathetic little mortal who can speak in hyperbole, not know what the **** he's talking about, lie, exaggerate, be misinformed, or just be flat out ****ing wrong. Its a no limits fallacy to assume that felix falicus is some retarded form of 'god' potion. If it was, Voldemort would just make some a conquer the ministry inside of a year, when it took him three years to do so.

Originally posted by Nephthys
ugh3

All we have declaring that you'd succeed in 'every endevour' is Slughorn. Slughorn's a pathetic little mortal who can speak in hyperbole, not know what the **** he's talking about, lie, exaggerate, be misinformed, or just be flat out ****ing wrong. Its a no limits fallacy to assume that felix falicus is some retarded form of 'god' potion. If it was, Voldemort would just make some a conquer the ministry inside of a year, when it took him three years to do so.

Apparantly, it is very rare and its effects wear off after mere hours. Also, as time goes on, the effects diminish making you "almost likely to succeed at every endeavor" to "just slightly likely to succeed above baseline, at every endeaver."

So, no, Volde probably would not be able to get his hands on it or make it as no one is ever seen making it. It could be the poop of a phoenix or something. We do not know enough about it to say Volde could have gotten his hands on it.

Additionally, you could have just discovered one of the many PIS moments created by magical fiction: all magical fiction falls victim to the versatility of magic not being properly applied to the plot.

Another example would be veritaserum. Why didn't they give 12-year old Potter this potion when he claimed to have discovered Volde on Quirrell's head? In fact, the next 3 or 4 books deal with the rather silly idea that Ministry of Magic does not think that Volde is alive when they could have easily discovered the truth. On top of that, they could have easily pulled the memory from Harry Potter and viewed it with a pensieve. On top of that, Dumbles could have used the Marauders map to see that Volde was part of Quirrell's head?

The list goes on.


And, no, Slughorn is not an idiot: he is a professor and considered by Dumbledore as quite talented. He was personally recruited by Dumbles. Of all people, only Volde, Dumbles, or Snape could claim to be better at potions, and for Dumbles and Volde, that just speculation. There's a difference between an absolute expert and hyperbole: it wasn't even close to hyperbole. Casting aside an ability stated on screen (and then seeing it work as described) is not kosher.

If that potion literally does as described, it would've been the ultimate weapon, and as such I think would've been better guarded.

The point about there being a time limit doesn't work out. If I were Dumbles, I would just make it my goal to permanently wipe out all evil, within minutes, and according to Slugboy, he would succeed.

Also, Slughorn is an idiot.

Originally posted by Placidity
If that potion literally does as described, it would've been the ultimate weapon, and as such I think would've been better guarded.

There is a weakness with the potion: if the user does not listen to the "perfect choice" then they can fail. So if the lucky voice prompts the person to go left but they, for whatever strange reason, go right, it fails.

So it is not infallible.

On top of that, it is "banned" from anything that would constitute cheating, it is very rare (apparently, extremely hard to make and it takes 6 months to do so and even slight failures can be very poisonous).

Finally, we really only have one vial of the potion ever seen. Out of all the crap that happened, only one existed. This speaks of its utter rarity. The three kids that took the rest of Potter's FF potion also survived an impossible situation against several death eaters: it should have been sure death for them but not a single spell made contact with them.


Finally, if it can be brewed and sold like nothing, then it speaks volumes about the one of many plot holes created by magical fiction stories.

Originally posted by Placidity
The point about there being a time limit doesn't work out. If I were Dumbles, I would just make it my goal to permanently wipe out all evil forever within minutes, and according to Slugboy, he would succeed.

Also, Slughorn is an idiot.

That should work, though. He could easily apparate to every single Death Eaters location and cast the killing curse and do so in less than a minute. That's exactly what the potion should allow him to do.

But herein lies a major CIS moment for Dumbles: he doesn't do that kind of stuff and he steers clear of most dark magic. The only instance I can think of, and it is just speculation (but strongly supported by the movie) is the Fiendfyre he seemingly cast in movie six against the zombies.

You should be able to think of a million and 1 other scenarios, just like that.



There's also the argument that felix felicis was being used by Volde and others during the war but they nulled each other.

LOLZ when Bombshell commands Voldemort to unleash the spell on the wizards

*LOL's even harder when Snape uses legilimens first*

Nah theyre crap at programming robotic beings.

"Besides Soundwave hears Snape thinking it and blasts him before he can act." is another perfectly good answer.

Yeah, RJ, even you have to see that legilimens won't work on a robot.

Actually there maybe a lot of their spells that won't work on them. After all Giants are able to take Wizard spells on essence of being extremely tough skinned.

Vanishing spells should work just fine. Transfiguration.

And you can prove that?

Do you even know what they are?

The spells or the Transformers?

Vanishing spells (The art of vanishing something. I know, I can see how you would think I'd struggle to grasp that concept.) havn't vanished anything bigger than a rat in the movies. Transfiguration (To transform, or transfigure something.) has never worked on anything as large or as durable as a Transformer.

Transformers are robots obviously.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The spells or the Transformers?

Vanishing spells havn't vanished anything bigger than a rat in the movies. Transfiguration has never worked on anything as large or as durable as a Transformer.

OK, that's gonna be the way it is?

K. Was this mind raping TF ever shown consuming Earth?

No. Probably because Unicron is the planet eater, and doesn't mindrape people.

And what, exactly, makes you think that a wizard will have trouble vanishing or changing them? Or freezing them with Immobulus?

They're too big and durable. And probably too strong to be held by Immobulus.

This entire conversation is pointless btw, the wizards have nothing to combat Unicron. Do you need me to post him eating a planet again?

Originally posted by Nephthys
They're too big and durable. And probably too strong to be held by Immobulus.

This entire conversation is pointless btw, the wizards have nothing to combat Unicron. Do you need me to post him eating a planet again?

So the TF's can't take the wizards on toe to toe, directly, so they attack with some planet eating thing? They have to destroy the planet to win? Funny, the thread isn't titled "TF vs Earth."

There are no stipulations that they cannot destroy earth while battling Hogwarts. Unicron om nom nom's tonight!

And Unicron is a Transformer. So obviously Transformer's >>> Wizards.

So like I said, the TF's can't take the wizards on toe to toe, directly, so they attack with some planet eating thing?

That "Some planet eating thing" is a Transformer.

Ergo its still a TF kicking ass Hand to Hand.

ZoAhipcOULk

Mhm, and CQC it gets vanished by a fourth year.

In Close Quarter Combat it punches through the planet.

And bullshit can something larger than a planet get vanished! Ron struggled to vanish a bloody rat, no way is anyone making anything more than Unicron's big toe go a shade paler.

Originally posted by Nephthys
In Close Quarter Combat it punches through the planet.
/QUOTE]

harry or snape will be dead after the first punch is thrown

lol

Originally posted by Nephthys
In Close Quarter Combat it punches through the planet.

And bullshit can something larger than a planet get vanished! Ron struggled to vanish a bloody rat, no way is anyone making anything more than Unicron's big toe go a shade paler. How large is it?

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From the start onwards, its the thing you see in between the suns, which goes on to literally eat a planet. He has a transformed form as well btw.

Check my clip too. He is probably a third larger than the death star size at least in planet mode..

So why start the thread to begin with? That anxious to have a thread where the wizards have no chance?

Well it just illiustrates how when compared to serious forces/power how the Wizards of HP arent really much, I guess. And how limited their Magic is, and how bad they are at actual physical combat they are.

Was fascinated to see what the pro-wizard tactic would be.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Well it just illiustrates how when compared to serious forces/power how the Wizards of HP arent really much, I guess. And how limited their Magic is, and how bad they are at actual physical combat they are.

Was fascinated to see what the pro-wizard tactic would be. No, this is like '"Swagger vs McClane." Swagger armed with a sniper rifle, McClane hog tied and blindfolded 100 feet away."

The least you could do is give the wizards a day or so prep, man.

Its just TFs fair and square. No gimping involved, so thats an unfair comparison.

If Unicron had the wizards tied to a tree with their wands confiscated and with their nuts tied to car batteries waiting to be electrocuted should they move, THEN it would be a fair analogy.
But its not.

Its just TFS vs HP fair and square.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The least you could do is give the wizards a day or so prep, man.

The OP implied that. They have their prophecy, as stated.

Like I said, if the TF's are gonna be chicken shit and attack from outer space, at least give the wizards a day or so prep. Or it's spite.

They can have years of prep and its going to do jack. Unicron is waaay above their batting range.

As posted, theyre attacking from the ground...and doing a very good job on their own, too.

Unicron is sitting nearby to us in the solar system at present watching the action.

Originally posted by Nephthys
They can have years of prep and its going to do jack. Unicron is waaay above their batting range. Up to sadako to give them prep or not. His thread.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
As posted, theyre attacking from the ground...and doing a very good job on their own, too.

Unicron is sitting nearby to us in the solar system at present watching the action. So is he in the fight or not? Spectator? What?

Yeah he just joins the fight right at the end....for now he hangs watching, and plotting unicron-ish things.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Yeah he just joins the fight right at the end....for now he hangs watching, and plotting unicron-ish things. So no prep?

Unicron will need no prep.
But regarding wizard prep; Ive already told you.

Hes just watching the conflict for amusement right now.
Studying wizard reactions to TFS assaults etc maybe.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Unicron will need no prep.
But regarding wizard prep; Ive already told you.

Hes just watching the conflict for amusement right now.
Studying wizard reactions to TFS assaults etc maybe. You said Unicorn is watching the fight for now. I mean the TF's on the ground, do the wizards have any prep there?

They have prep:

OK so they have prep. Flitwick and the senior wizards apparate all over the planet casting shield charms with a casual flick of their wands, until the planet is completely protected.

"Com-Scan has detected an energy field protecting the planet Earth. The field is strong enough to deflect any bombardment."

ugh3

Originally posted by Nephthys
ugh3

+1

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi



Mhm, gotta love them Protegos.

Disabled by Cerebroshell controlled wizard with their Kadabra attacks.

I see, and exactly how does that work?

Protego cant deal with Kadavra attackages.


So Bombshell or one of his many clones order Voldemort (via Cerebro shell link) or one of the other shelled wizards to kadavera the shit out of those trying to protego.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Protego cant deal with Kadavra attackages.

So Bombshell or one of his many clones order Voldemort of one of the other shelled wizards to kadavera the shit out of those trying to protego. And if they cannot see them? Or find them?

How you blinding transformers...?

They can see invisible wizards, pinpoint their location, and mind rape them? Even if they are halfway across the world?

Yeah they can scan, some can sense, Its obvious.
If a transformer has his head in his ass or wherever when it is transformed, then its obvious that they detect things in other ways.

So they can find invisible wizards half a world away? Neat!!!

Yep.

Teletrann-1 would tell the TFs.

Or any orbiting TFs, with long range scanning capabilities like AstroTrain or Unicron, for example

And let me guess. He's far from the battle, hiding amongst the stars?

In a position where hogwarts has no line of sight.

Only way TF wins this is if Unicron decides to eat the planet. Fact.

Nope. Not true: He could punch southern England a couple of times, that'd do it......


Youve not been able to defend from the attacks of the earth based TFS yet.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Nope. Not true: He could punch southern England a couple of times, that'd do it......


Youve not been able to defend from the attacks of the earth based TFS yet.

The shield charms protect Earth, you silly bastard.

And what is the maximum force attack they are actually shown repelling, you dullard's cock...?

Everything thrown at them was turned away, dude. Everything.

When was Unicron shown eating it's way past planet covering shields?

When has a protego stopped something with the mass of a freaking continent?

Several Protegos, babe.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Everything thrown at them was turned away, dude. Everything.

When was Unicron shown eating it's way past planet covering shields?

I think Lithon's defences were useless, if I remember rightly, as was and shielding on Cybertron's moons...

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Several Protegos, babe.

And what was the biggest mass/energy the stopped?

Think in one hand.

CoughDODGEcough

When have several protego's stopped something the size of a country? Or rather, the comulative effects of a single protego multiplied shown the strength to stop something the size of a country?

We're waiting.....

"Tick tock, tick tock, RJ smells of wizard coc- erm....WAND."

When has this thing you are babbling about ever shown breaching a protego?

I can do this all day.

No you can't because I'm calling your bullshit (This is now my superpower. I am Anti-Bullshitman). No Protego or shield charm has stopped a significant physical attack. Ever. No shield or Protego, therefore, will be able to stop Unicron from Transforming and punching the planet with a fist roughly the size and mass of America at beyond hypersonic speeds. The wizards are pwned.

If you wish to disagree, post videograthic proof of magical shieldings strength while doing so. Same for if you try to say that the wizards can set up multiple layers of protection. If not, admit defeat.

No, see, you;re claiming it can get past a magical wall of defense. When has it ever done this?

Never. Now prove that has anything to do with anything. What does a magical wall of defense have that makes it more durable than an entire planet?

They gotta get past the barrier to get to the planet, right? Like in Spaceballs?

Yes. But it's not like that'll be a problem. Protego and other magical forms of shielding are pretty much featless.

Not completely featless.

And the planet eater has never breached a magical shield.

Looks like we both are unable to prove our point.

Then post some feats.

What is so special about the magical shields which would prevent him breaching it?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Then post some feats.

What is so special about the magical shields which would prevent him breaching it?

It's quite simple:

If breaking the shield charms were as easy as applying enough physical force, all a death eater would have to do is cast engorgio on a pebble, several times, as it falls towards the shields. An Island sized pebble should be more than enough force, right? It would also crush a great deal of their enemies, to boot.

This is part of the reason that applying the no-limits fallacy to the shields is actually a limits fallacy: there are plenty of ways to apply absurd amounts of force to the shields. If it were that easy, any of the Death Eaters could do so. Hell, even a first year student has enough know-how to do so: engorgio is a very simple spell.

However, there IS a weakness to those shields and the weakness is very simply this: very powerful counter-shield magics.

Okay, what about the problem of Unicron's mass clashing with Earth's gravity well.. As Unicron consumes, gravity breaks down and chunks of land/crust just fly up are pulled towards Unicron and are destroyed eaten as Unicron digs in further into the planet. He uses tractor beams too in this process...

Whats to stop the bit of land that Hogwarts is on being released from the earth's mass like this, protego intact, into orbit...?

'Cause unless those wizards got any "surviving space/vacuum/absolute zero/radiation shields" feats I dont know about, that would seem to indicate huge TF win. TFs aren't bothered by the harshness of life in space, it would seem.


Bombshell could feasibly command Voldemort of some other dark wizards to get on that dark magic shit, effectively doing the old Kirk sneakily ordering Reliant's shields down via communication between the ships consoles.

Revenge is a dish best served cold... and it is very cold in spacccccce.

And Its a fair old bet that Unicron picked up reruns of Wrath of Khan on his many TVs from our expelled radio/TV signals as he got within 20 lightyears of our vicinity and will know this strategy.

As for Harry: "Hes dead, Jim".
(Especially with the protego shield is tested against reentry.)

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Okay, what about the problem of Unicron's mass clashing with Earth's gravity well.. As Unicron consumes, gravity breaks down and chunks of land/crust just fly up are pulled towards Unicron and are destroyed eaten as Unicron digs in further into the planet. He uses tractor beams too in this process...

Whats to stop the bit of land that Hogwarts is on being released from the earth's mass like this, protego intact, into orbit...?

'Cause unless those wizards got any "surviving space/vacuum/absolute zero/radiation shields" feats I dont know about, that would seem to indicate huge TF win. TFs aren't bothered by the harshness of life in space, it would seem.


Bombshell could feasibly command Voldemort of some other dark wizards to get on that dark magic shit, effectively doing the old Kirk sneakily ordering Reliant's shields down via communication between the ships consoles.

Revenge is a dish best served cold... and it is very cold in spacccccce.

And Its a fair old bet that Unicron picked up reruns of Wrath of Khan on his many TVs from our expelled radio/TV signals as he got within 20 lightyears of our vicinity and will know this strategy.

As for Harry: "Hes dead, Jim".
(Especially with the protego shield is tested against reentry.)


for shiites and giggles..

wRnSnfiUI54

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
for shiites and giggles..

wRnSnfiUI54


Always classic, man.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Always classic, man.

yep my all time fave scene from the movie

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth

And Its a fair old bet that Unicron picked up reruns of Wrath of Khan on his many TVs from our expelled radio/TV signals as he got within 20 lightyears of our vicinity and will know this strategy.


Thinking about it further:

This would explain why he gave Megatron Leonard Nimoy's voice also.

How could Unicron not be touched by Spock's sacrifice at the end of WOK..? And the awesome "Space...the Final frontier" monologue...
Yeah. He'd like that.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
yep my all time fave scene from the movie

So many utterly, timelessly awesome moments.
That movie will never die, for me...

Originally posted by Nephthys
Then post some feats.

What is so special about the magical shields which would prevent him breaching it? Uh......What did I just say?

Yeah but what did NEPH say. Youre ignoring it.

No, I'm not. There's literally no way for us to prove our points.

Perhaps you should have Unicron on Earth, fighting with some honor.



Oh yeah, can't do that, he'd get vanished.

Not til you prove that HP has anything to stop the power of Unicron.
And BTW if he is eating earth, technically he IS on earth.

Not that the "air deprived, frozen, smashed, crushed the melted in acids" assed wizards will care at that time, for all they know is their own deaths.

Noooooooooot if he's vanished.

NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNot gonna happen unless you can provide HP feats of making planets disappear.