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Wolverine has to conquer DC Earth. Wolverine has Silver Surfer's powers and is just as skilled, he has no HF, claws or adamantuim. He assembles a team:

Hank Pym
Ghost
Punisher
The Hand (thats right the whole organisation)
Daken

The team land on DC earth and are trusted by the heroic community, after this they get 6 months to set a plan in motion. During this time nobody will be able to suspect they are planning anything but after the 6 months are up you have to decide what will happen.

No in-fighting. This is not a straight forward battle and various tactics will be used eg bribing, murder, infiltration making allies etc.

LOBO with the Red Ring puts em all down.

They lose. They just don't have what it takes to beat the entire earth. Even the JLA would take a lot out of them.

Originally posted by Deadline
Wolverine has to conquer DC Earth. Wolverine has Silver Surfer's powers and is just as skilled, he has no HF, claws or adamantuim. So it's not Wolverine, or is it because certain people are putting Wolverine on the strategic throne again?

I don't think you've really thought this through. For starters Wolverine with SS's powers would wipe the floor with Superman and a shitload of heroes. You're also forgetting that the heroic community trust them and that means it will be easy to get info and tech. They can also make allies.


The JLA would get stomped.

Originally posted by Deadline
I don't think you've really thought this through. For starters Wolverine with SS's powers would wipe the floor with Superman and a shitload of heroes. You're also forgetting that the heroic community trust them and that means it will be easy to get info and tech. They can also make allies.


The JLA would get stomped.

No, he wouldn't.

Plus, Batman would NEVER trust him.

Originally posted by -Pr-
No, he wouldn't.

He most likely would. The problem with Silver Surfer is he holds back alot. Wolverine doesn't.

Maybe he wouldn't wipe the floor but hes not winning the majority.

Originally posted by -Pr-

Plus, Batman would NEVER trust him.

Actually you're right but I don't have time to put that much detail the openign thread (people switch off with too much info). Batman at the very least won't be able to spy on them or do anything to them when they initially arrive or for 6 months. While the team can spy on him and gather tech and information.


Originally posted by Parmaniac
So it's not Wolverine, or is it because certain people are putting Wolverine on the strategic throne again?

Not sure what you mean but one point of the thread is to highlight his intellect.

Originally posted by Deadline
He most likely would. The problem with Silver Surfer is he holds back alot. Wolverine doesn't.

Maybe he wouldn't wipe the floor but hes not winning the majority.



Actually you're right but I don't have time to put that much detail the openign thread (people switch off with too much info). Batman at the very least won't be able to spy on them or do anything to them when they initially arrive or for 6 months. While the team can spy on him and gather tech and information.




Not sure what you mean but one point of the thread is to highlight his intellect.

that's not proof. besides, you said "as skilled", not more skilled. the JLA are more than capable of handling Surfer, and even Superman would give him trouble.

yes, because spying on batman sure is easy. hell, he'd probably feed them false info half the time.

facepalm

Originally posted by illadelph12
facepalm Thread or a certain post?

Originally posted by -Pr-
that's not proof.


Superman isn't beating a guy who has FTL reflexes, is a much better fighter, just as durable and can manipulate energy to weaken him.


Originally posted by -Pr-
besides, you said "as skilled", not more skilled.


You missed the point. Silver Surfer holds back, Wolverine won't mess around and would use tactics that SS would refrain from using. He doesn't need to be more skilled.


Originally posted by -Pr-

yes, because spying on batman sure is easy. hell, he'd probably feed them false info half the time.

Batman isn't smarter than Wolverine, Hank Pym, Ghost and Punisher. Wolverine himself is an expert in espionage and deception and has more experince than Batman. Batman isn't tricking them.

You're also assuming the team will trust Batman, they won't.


Originally posted by -Pr-
the JLA are more than capable of handling Surfer, and even Superman would give him trouble.


They are not taking the JLA on in a battle this is 'guerilla warfare'.

Originally posted by Deadline
This is not a straight forward battle and various tactics will be used eg bribing, murder, infiltration making allies etc.

Originally posted by Deadline
Batman isn't smarter than Wolverine, Hank Pym, Ghost and Punisher

Only because Hank Pym is on the list, the other three are morons in comparison.

Originally posted by Deadline
Superman isn't beating a guy who has FTL reflexes, is a much better fighter, just as durable and can manipulate energy to weaken him.




You missed the point. Silver Surfer holds back, Wolverine won't mess around and would use tactics that SS would refrain from using. He doesn't need to be more skilled.




Batman isn't smarter than Wolverine, Hank Pym, Ghost and Punisher. Wolverine himself is an expert in espionage and deception and has more experince than Batman. Batman isn't tricking them.

You're also assuming the team will trust Batman, they won't.




They are not taking the JLA on in a battle this is 'guerilla warfare'.

...i'm going to assume all that was sarcasm.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Only because Hank Pym is on the list, the other three are morons in comparison.

Hank 'Gawd' Pym tells Surferine to sit down and solos the task.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Only because Hank Pym is on the list, the other three are morons in comparison.

Originally posted by -Pr-
...i'm going to assume all that was sarcasm.

You are dodging points again becuas you think your opinion is fact and you don't need to elaborate.

I mean for starters you seem to be implying Batman > Hank Pym + Wolverine + Punisher + Ghost but you feel you don't need to explain yourself.


Originally posted by Silent Master
Only because Hank Pym is on the list, the other three are morons in comparison.

Absolutely. Ghost is a moron a guy whose tech specialises in infiltration and was easily able to break into Iron Mans vault, he's clearly moron.

Wolverine had the whole superhuman community shitting their pants in EOTS and didn't have the back up resources he has now. Punisher tactics in some areas are superior to Caps read Blood and Glory

You obvoulsy don't know what you're talking about.

I know that Hank Pym is far smarter than all three of them.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I know that Hank Pym is far smarter than all three of them.

Scientifically, yes.

Originally posted by Deadline
Scientifically, yes. And IQ level

Originally posted by Parmaniac
And IQ level

That actually doesn't always make you better at strategy.

I know, it's true though.

^ fair enough.

This team loses hard.

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You forgot to take him out.

Is Punisher performing surgery on himself valid, or is it overkill?

LOL at this thread, Bats can solo this crew.....with the proper planning of course...

Originally posted by Parmaniac
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You forgot to take him out.

Im not sure if the Spectre would be against them. Hank Pym is the scientist supreme at the moment he can also make allies on DC earth and has the whole of The Hand backing him up (this is an organisation that specialises in magic). Bare in mind The Hand kidnapped Ghost Rider who is actually posssessed by an Elder God.




Originally posted by Sin I AM
LOL at this thread, Bats can solo this crew.....with the proper planning of course...


No he can't the team would wipe the floor with him.


Absolutely. Ghost is a moron a guy whose tech specialises in infiltration and was easily able to break into Iron Mans vault, he's clearly moron.

Wolverine had the whole superhuman community shitting their pants in EOTS and didn't have the back up resources he has now. Punisher tactics in some areas are superior to Caps read Blood and Glory



Not to mention Hank Pym.

Originally posted by Deadline
Im not sure if the Spectre would be against them. Hank Pym is the scientist supreme at the moment he can also make allies on DC earth and has the whole of The Hand backing him up (this is an organisation that specialises in magic). Bare in mind The Hand kidnapped Ghost Rider who is actually posssessed by an Elder God.
Spectre > Elder God

And he would definately take out Surferine and Punisher.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Spectre > Elder God

And he would definately take out Surferine and Punisher.

Nah you don't say. The Hand weren't backed by Hank Pym with years of prep (prep is ongoing after 6 months).

common dude enough with the Wolverine/Pym wankage their is no way four individuals conquer DC earth...i mean 90 percent of DC Earth is what low Herald anyway...and what about the villians, you think their gonna let some canadian scrub and wife beating "scientist supreme" (when we all know Reed is better) take over? gtfoh a non -jobbing Flash, GL, and Bruce or Dick can do the trick

I think you should ad a strong telepath to the team.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
common dude enough with the Wolverine/Pym wankage their is no way four individuals conquer DC earth...i mean 90 percent of DC Earth is what low Herald anyway...and what about the villians, you think their gonna let some canadian scrub and wife beating "scientist supreme" (when we all know Reed is better) take over? gtfoh a non -jobbing Flash, GL, and Bruce or Dick can do the trick

Look your being a hypocrite. Its all very well arguing that the four can't beat DC earth but you're being just as biased by implying that Batman could solo the team. You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Instead of actually trying to explain how Batman beats them, you dodge the question.


It doesn't matter if Hank isn't as good as Reed he's still one of the best he can easily create something to stop Flash. In fact he could create alot of tech to beat alot of heroes. Hell the guy created Ultron.

Also you didn't read the stips. Some of the villains and even some of the heroes may join them.

Originally posted by Deadline

No in-fighting. This is not a straight forward battle and various tactics will be used eg bribing, murder, infiltration making allies etc.

You two lovebirds.

6 months prep isn't bad. But if this is a going all out match, they'll meet some opposition.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I think you should ad a strong telepath to the team.

Daken isn't a telepath but he's very good at manipulating people. He would be very useful in getting villains to do what he wants.

The team isn't as bad as people think, they just haven't thought it through.

I could have easily made this thread Lex, Loki and Doom. What would be the point, think outside the box people.

ok..............so within six months time of actively engaging the superhero and villian community. Batman will have assessed their strengths and weaknesses. Bruce WILL NOT trust them, and that ole pheromone trick will only get Daken so far. Bats will have them under surveillance, just like he does everyone else and will deduce their scheme or will atleast figure out their not all peaches and cream. how do you think they will even go about conquering DC Earth in the first place?

As soon as the conflict starts, Batman will have Wolverine depowered, naked and running in corn fields with Bueno Excelente fast in his tracks while Superman will show Hank Pym how he treats wife beaters, early Action Comics style.

I'll respond to the rest later but nobody can spy on them for 6 months.

Originally posted by Deadline

The team land on DC earth and are trusted by the heroic community, after this they get 6 months to set a plan in motion. During this time nobody will be able to suspect they are planning anything but after the 6 months are up you have to decide what will happen.

I was wondering about that.

They'll be acting like heroes for at least 6 months, I doubt many of the villains will like them very much by the end of their "prep time".

Originally posted by Silent Master
They'll be acting like heroes for at least 6 months, I doubt many of the villains will like them very much by the end of their "prep time".

i concur

The JLA put down the white martians and fernus. Theya re more of a threat in my opinion

All of DCU have been subverted from the inside numerous times

This will; be another 7-12 issue maxi cross over with teh JLA, JSA and the sentinel of magic.

Originally posted by Deadline
You are dodging points again becuas you think your opinion is fact and you don't need to elaborate.

I mean for starters you seem to be implying Batman > Hank Pym + Wolverine + Punisher + Ghost but you feel you don't need to explain yourself.




Absolutely. Ghost is a moron a guy whose tech specialises in infiltration and was easily able to break into Iron Mans vault, he's clearly moron.

Wolverine had the whole superhuman community shitting their pants in EOTS and didn't have the back up resources he has now. Punisher tactics in some areas are superior to Caps read Blood and Glory

You obvoulsy don't know what you're talking about.

i don't feel the need to explain myself to you, because your argument, imo, has no merit.

but go ahead, make stupid, baseless assumptions about what i said. it's what you always do anyway.

Originally posted by -Pr-
i don't feel the need to explain myself to you, because your argument, imo, has no merit. Pussy peaches