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1942 Adolf Hitler comes forward in time with the entire third reich
ready to end the racial impurity contain within the HP wizards.
He aims to gas them in camps and tear them apart in experiments with Mengele.

Every last one of them. So to ensure a better chance against Wizards, he brings with him a secret weapon, the Ark of the Covenant which Jesus supplied him with for "Christianity being against witchcraft" thing.

The army of the Nazis armed with The Ark march their march as they move into the Hogwarts Wizard's castle. to begin conflict, Cannons take down the west wall of the Castle. The Wizards are now aware of the Nazi's arrival.

Who vill vin this conflict?

Hmmmm.........

The Holy Ark smited the unrighteous via face melting. Are the Hogwarts wizards worthy of such punitive actions?

Absolutely for going against god with the witchcraft.
The church take a dim view on that.

He is a vengeful god, and seeks to make an example.

Besides it also would be for attacking the Nazis, who again march into battles with a belt on which says "God with us" on it.

But for now, the Ark remains closed, and the Nazis attck in the 1st wave, with their own planes, tanks, guns flamethrowers, bombs, V2s etc.

I see no favor for shield charms then.

No wizard, IMO, has the foresight of Indy to "keep their eyes shut".

Agreed on both counts.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth

Absolutely for going against god with the witchcraft.
The church take a dim view on that.


So this is Dogma, where religious power is based on what humans decide are rules? I would have thought unrighteous meant, idk, moral unrighteousness

But if you insist, stalemate, as everyone will be getting a nice drippy face-melting

Religious power is always that.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
1942 Adolf Hitler comes forward in time with the entire third reich
ready to end the racial impurity contain within the HP wizards.
He aims to gas them in camps and tear them apart in experiments with Mengele.

Every last one of them. So to ensure a better chance against Wizards, he brings with him a secret weapon, the Ark of the Covenant which Jesus supplied him with for "Christianity being against witchcraft" thing.

The army of the Nazis armed with The Ark march their march as they move into the Hogwarts Wizard's castle. to begin conflict, Cannons take down the west wall of the Castle. The Wizards are now aware of the Nazi's arrival.

Who vill vin this conflict? Hall of prophesies warns of this. The wizards use time turners to go back in time and kill Hitler as he swims in his daddy's sac.


Oh yeah, they can't even see the castle.



Next question.

Not a question excatly, just pointing out that as this is set after book 5, that time turners aren't a goer.

Besides, Gods not allowing the Wizards to run like girls, he wants to see them fight.

And you missed the line stating that the Wizards are already there.
ERGO they see it. Nazi intelligence sussed the location.

"Hitler is obsessed by the occult. Hes a nut on the subject."
-Guy who played Porkins in SW, as CIA dude in Raiders of the lost ark.

So yeah.

He'd know.

haermm Not in the OP, dude. Time turners win this.


Not to mention the fact that the Ark will view the Nazis as the bigger threat and destroy then first.


Ding ding ding!!!!! Mmmmm.......Cigars.....

Yes I think I'll use your "OP can be amended by thread starter" rule.

Or simply point out that God'd be aware of that attempt and stop it.

Or that in the opening post God, through Jesus (Who the Ark essentially is a weapon for) gave the Nazis specifically it to wage war on the Wizards. So no that doesn't work.

So God gave Hitler the Ark? haermm


Snape changes it into a tin can.

A) So HP beats God's will, now?

B) Snape can get close enough to it without incurring the wrath of the many many Nazis with it...?

Odd, it appeared to smack the shit out of Harry in the Harry Potter vs Jesus thread, according to you.. IIRC

You're changing God around to suit your argument. He'd never side with Hitler, dumbass. Your thread is fail.

Yeah Man has done that from the beginning of his invention of the god concept.

Actually, according to Hitler and all of his reich, He did side with Hitler..

Actually "God with us" was on all the nazi belts, and Hitler and his pals did a lot of damage... it was there version of ridiculous notion of "God bless America".

So now YOU'RE saying who god might or might now side with....proving my opening point, this post.
So NOW whos trying to tell god what to do...? EH...?

The Ark's already killed Nazi's though. It's the only thing its actually done: kill Nazi's.

It also killed those non-nazi people in the those cities in the desert too,
(AND later on, that rat that was innocently moving near it in the cargo hold) according to the CIA agents bible based analysis... So it would seem that it kills whomever god tells it to.

And Christianity hates Wizards, yet god allowed the Nazis to conquer a lot of the world....go figure lol

"Death has always surrounded it." was a quote used.

Fair enough. That also would explain the rat.
(Not the death rays though).

It also shows that the plague is non politically discriminating.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The Ark's already killed Nazi's though. It's the only thing its actually done: kill Nazi's. Mhm, EVIL Nazis. The Hogwarts wizards are not evil.


/thread.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And Christianity hates Wizards, yet god allowed the Nazis to conquer a lot of the world....go figure lol
As a Christian I can tell you that we have no problems with wizards, when we say we hate witchcraft we're referring to the movie series

And yeah Hogwarts takes this, the ark isn't going to help the reich anymore than it's going to mess it over.

Originally posted by General_Iroh
As a Christian I can tell you that we have no problems with wizards, when we say we hate witchcraft we're referring to the movie series

And yeah Hogwarts takes this, the ark isn't going to help the reich anymore than it's going to mess it over. Spite thread turned back on it's owner. Again.

Originally posted by General_Iroh
As a Christian I can tell you that we have no problems with wizards, when we say we hate witchcraft we're referring to the movie series

And yeah Hogwarts takes this, the ark isn't going to help the reich anymore than it's going to mess it over.

Your sect might not...and thats progressive and good.
But the thats not been the case with all of your fellow subdivisons within Christianity.

Exodus 22:19
http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_bibl2.htm

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live"


Exodus 22:18 in 19 English translations of the Bible:

Various Biblical translations render this verse as:

American Standard Version "Thou shalt not suffer a sorceress to live."
The Answer: Put to death any woman who does evil magic.
Amplified Bible: You shall not allow a woman to live who practices sorcery.
Good News Version: Put to death any woman who practices magic.
James Moffatt Translation: You shall not allow any sorceress to live.
Jerusalem Bible: You shall not allow a sorceress to live.
King James Version: Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
Living Bible: A sorceress shall be put to death.
Modern Language Bible: Allow no sorceress to live.
New American Bible: You shall not let a sorceress live.
New American Standard Bible: You shall not let a sorceress live.
New Century Version: Put to death any woman who does evil magic.
New International Version: Do not allow a sorceress to live.
New Living Translation: A sorceress must not be allowed to live.
New Revised Standard Version: You shall not permit a female sorcerer to live.
New World Translation: You must not preserve a sorceress alive.
The Promise: Contemporary English Version: Death is the punishment for witchcraft.
Revised Standard Version: You shall not permit a sorceress to live.
Revised English Bible: You must not allow a witch to live.
In the original Hebrew manuscript, the author used the word m'khashepah to describe the person who should be killed. The word means a woman who uses spoken spells to harm others - e.g. causing their death or loss of property. Clearly "evil sorceress" or "woman who does evil magic" would be the most accurate phrases in today's English usage for this verse."


Carried out into actuality here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials

Thank you for your input, was appreciated.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Spite thread turned back on it's owner. Again.

A) not a spite thread, whiner.

B) To be an "again" situation, it has to have had a similar or identical occurance of it before....(See A again, for example..)


More info on Hitler's buddying up with/usage of god...
http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm

Just to show you that this isn't that far fetched as you might think.

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Christopher Hitchens on Hitler, religion and its role in the reich.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
A) not a spite thread, whiner.

B) To be an "again" situation, it has to have had a similar or identical occurance of it before....(See A again, for example..)


More info on Hitler's buddying up with/usage of god...
http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm

Just to show you that this isn't that far fetched as you might think. The man was evil, dude. The Ark killed evil Nazis in ROTL. The wizards are not evil.


Figure it out.

God wiped out whole cities with it. Women children, the lot.
Pretty evil. He wasn't going for military installations with that baby.

Evil/Mass killing is seen at the end of the movie by the ark,
Most Nazis normal people were following orders, believing themselves to be doing god's work...yet the Ark just wiped them all out like it was Rambo at the end of Rambo 4 only with more skull blasting/facemelting..

The ark also killed a Rat. Was IT a nazi ..? C'mon man.

Also if it could do that to people, why did it let the Nazis live all the way through til that moment. Why did it only have a go at that rat.
Why was God punishing that creature?
You cannot prove that it was from Germany, or that it held pro-beliefs in Hitler's reformation of Germany and to all for which that stood..

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
God wiped out whole cities with it. Women children, the lot.
Pretty evil. He wasn't going for military installations with that baby.

Evil/Mass killing is seen at the end of the movie by the ark,
Most Nazis normal people were following orders, believing themselves to be doing god's work...yet the Ark just wiped them all out like it was Rambo at the end of Rambo 4 only with more skull blasting/facemelting..

The ark also killed a Rat. Was IT a nazi ..? C'mon man.

Also if it could do that to people, why did it let the Nazis live all the way through til that moment. Why did it only have a go at that rat.
Why was God punishing that creature?
You cannot prove that it was from Germany, or that it held pro-beliefs in Hitler's reformation of Germany and to all for which that stood.. You're missing the point. God would not give them the Ark to being with.

Who to are you to be telling god what he would or wouldn't do...?
Especially god being a character in one of my OP's parameters.
It was STATED CLEARLY IN THE OPENING POST that Jesus gives Hitler the Ark... and this obviously couldn't occur without God's say so, if you believe in an intervening God as opposed to the Deist concept.

They have the ark, now stop your tears.
"God with us." - Read the link/vid.

If that's the case, The wizards kill the nazis, then the Ark kills the wizards.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Your sect might not...and thats progressive and good.
But the thats not been the case with all of your fellow subdivisons within Christianity.

Exodus 22:19
http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_bibl2.htm

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live"


Exodus 22:18 in 19 English translations of the Bible:

Various Biblical translations render this verse as:

American Standard Version "Thou shalt not suffer a sorceress to live."
The Answer: Put to death any woman who does evil magic.
Amplified Bible: You shall not allow a woman to live who practices sorcery.
Good News Version: Put to death any woman who practices magic.
James Moffatt Translation: You shall not allow any sorceress to live.
Jerusalem Bible: You shall not allow a sorceress to live.
King James Version: Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
Living Bible: A sorceress shall be put to death.
Modern Language Bible: Allow no sorceress to live.
New American Bible: You shall not let a sorceress live.
New American Standard Bible: You shall not let a sorceress live.
New Century Version: Put to death any woman who does evil magic.
New International Version: Do not allow a sorceress to live.
New Living Translation: A sorceress must not be allowed to live.
New Revised Standard Version: You shall not permit a female sorcerer to live.
New World Translation: You must not preserve a sorceress alive.
The Promise: Contemporary English Version: Death is the punishment for witchcraft.
Revised Standard Version: You shall not permit a sorceress to live.
Revised English Bible: You must not allow a witch to live.
In the original Hebrew manuscript, the author used the word m'khashepah to describe the person who should be killed. The word means a woman who uses spoken spells to harm others - e.g. causing their death or loss of property. Clearly "evil sorceress" or "woman who does evil magic" would be the most accurate phrases in today's English usage for this verse."


Carried out into actuality here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials

Thank you for your input, was appreciated.
True, most Christians are very much against witchcraft, because none of them know what it is lol. Most Christians are raised to think that it's some horrific covenant with the devil and they're scared to the point that they never want to look into it. Classic stuff. anyway nice site, read this from the same site and it says pretty much that the Biblical interpretation of witchcraft is completely different from the Harry Potter version.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_bibl1.htm

That said unless you're just making the ark attack the wizards regardless then the reich will probably win. The only reason I'm hesitant to give them the win is that they could handle dementors and I'm not sure how much of a difference it would be fighting a dementor and fighting a spirit, the spirits in harry potter seemed susceptible to magic. They were able to be frozen, not killed. But if they have the entire reich after them at the same time then they probably wouldn't be able to win

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
If that's the case, The wizards kill the nazis, then the Ark kills the wizards.

Well alright.
Thats a step in the direction of reasonable argument.

Originally posted by General_Iroh
True, most Christians are very much against witchcraft, because none of them know what it is lol. Most Christians are raised to think that it's some horrific covenant with the devil and they're scared to the point that they never want to look into it. Classic stuff. anyway nice site, read this from the same site and it says pretty much that the Biblical interpretation of witchcraft is completely different from the Harry Potter version.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_bibl1.htm

That said unless you're just making the ark attack the wizards regardless then the reich will probably win. The only reason I'm hesitant to give them the win is that they could handle dementors and I'm not sure how much of a difference it would be fighting a dementor and fighting a spirit, the spirits in harry potter seemed susceptible to magic. They were able to be frozen, not killed. But if they have the entire reich after them at the same time then they probably wouldn't be able to win

Yes that was an interesting point (and a good post too).
Indeed "can the Potter magic override God's power..?" does seem to be the question that keeps coming back.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Well alright.
Thats a step in the direction of reasonable argument. What argument? That you brought in an unbeatable force to kill the wizards?

Tell me, name one force in movie history that can tank the Ark.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Mhm, EVIL Nazis. The Hogwarts wizards are not evil.


/thread.

So Voldemort was in fact a good guy?

Nah, but Dumbledore and the Hogwarts crew are.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
What argument? That you brought in an unbeatable force to kill the wizards?

Tell me, name one force in movie history that can tank the Ark.

The force might.

And a Death Star almost certainly would do it.

And the force is more powerful than the Deathstar.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
The force might.

And a Death Star almost certainly would do it.

And the force is more powerful than the Deathstar.

Not if the Ark were ON the death star.

But you know, all the wizards have to do is VANISH it.

I repeat: What HP screen feat is there of Wizards having the power to disappear somthing planet or even small moon that looks like a space station sized?

Oops. None whatsoever.

You have NOTHING to base that speculation on.

The Death Star is not a force power. It's a technological terror. It requires zero force abilities to operate it.

It was only built because of/as part of the long term force precog assisted plan by Palps..

But yes it is mere starwars tech, ultimately, its quite insignificant to power of the force. Screenfeat/Vader quote.
And Im pretty sure that you'll agree that Vader knows a bit more about the force than you.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
It was only built because of/as part of the long term force precog assisted plan by Palps..

But yes it is mere starwars tech, ultimately, its quite insignificant to power of the force. Screenfeat/Vader quote.
And Im pretty sure that you'll agree that Vader knows a bit more about the force than you. Mhm, and it's still just a space station.

Yet its able to kill every man woman and child on earth.
And is still not as powerful as the force.

Point is it's not the force. It's not a power one can wield in a battle such as this.

Point is, the force is more powerful than the death star, which is itself more powerful than your wizards.

More powerful how? Because it can blast away safely out of harms way?

Tell me, if the wizards took over the death star, learned how to operate it, what's to stop them from blowing up Coruscant? Nothing.

Once earth is destroyed there is nothing for the wizards at all.

Strawmannic irrelevancy. Not gonna happen. Wizards arent space capable/trained.

Mhm, you adding the death star to this thread now that I have dissected and destroyed it?

Nope. Cause YOURE the one strawmanning about death stars.
And nope agin, as you dissected/destroyed only your own argument.

This thread is over. The wizards vanish the Ark, then kill the Nazis with ease.

/thread.

LOL "HP beats God and his followers: all of Germany."

Hilarious but you not proved how theyre gonna do all this with V2s, Grenades, mortars, thousands of bullets in the air at any given millisecond, Bombs, Planes, Tanks, or even the Hitler youth are gonna be vanished.

"The army that carries the ark before them is unstoppable" was a line used..(paraphrasing of Brody).

Ergo: All of your work is still ahead of you.

Protego blocks all that shit.

Repello Muggletum keeps the Nazis from nearing the wizards.

Legilimens/Imperio turns them on one another.



Legilimens turns Hitler into a wizard supporter.


Next?

Nah Ark rips through it like it were wet tissue paper.
(And melts the faces and explodes the heads of anyone wiping their ass with said paper at the time.)

How's the Ark gonna rip through if it's been vanished? You're silly.

Who did that then...? Cause Hogwarts was just taken out by massive massive rounds from German Destroyers off of the coast. While falling under a bombardment of V2s, all flying in the massive holes in hogwarts western exterior. (While all being on fire, due to the flame throwers being deployed in the tight confides of the corridors and interior of Hogwarts (which'll burn up anyone the Fiendfyre missed.)

Also, wheres your anti Zyklon-B spell.......? Oops.

Mean while Ark opens The wizards face the unbridled wrath of god.
Utter decimation comparable to the end of raiders, but on a massive scale.

You silly bastard. The wizards apparate aboard the ship, vanish them. Everything else Protego blocks.

How're the Nazi's gonna know where to shoot?

Ship?
Nah The ark'll take care of any of that fannying around.

God'll guide their guns.

Nah, God wouldn't side with the evil bastards. Plus the protego holds up.

Nice try though.

Already proved that he has.

Beside you're a fool for claiming to know the mind of God well enough to assert that with any confidence.

As Ive already proved, God is a murdering bastard, by ROTLA feats.
Indiscriminate plague releases on cities with civilian populous.
Torturing small animals like that Rat?

No God has no probs murdering.
And definitely no probs murdering the wizards.

God punishes the wicked, fool. Nazis= Wicked.

Prove all of those men, women and children he killed via the Ark, were evil..
OOOOOPS. You cant. Thats the end of your little venture.

He tortures rats too..

Sign of a psychopath in development, that..

Hitler was evil, the men were followers/in cahoots with him.

The OP gives Hitler Gods favour (or Jesus' at least) RJ. You can't really deny that. As much as that goes against what happened in the movie, the Ark wouldn't kill them.

No need to. The wizards vanish the Ark. Besides, felix felicis.

Bah...witchcraft gets owned by God's will. Mr. Radcliffe and his gang can do nothing.

Evanesco, dude. Ark go bye bye.

Originally posted by Evilbigfoot
Bah...witchcraft gets owned by God's will. Mr. Radcliffe and his gang can do nothing.

They can melt, I guess.

And explode too.

Kreacher, go fetch me Hitler.

/thread.

"Krecher = Pwned by the Ark.

/End thread.", you mean....

"The army which carries the Ark before it is invincible."

That's because no other army vanish things.

Evanesco, dude.

God pwns Harry. Sorry.

Or are you saying HP beats god?

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
"The army which carries the Ark before it is invincible."

And "he who has all 3 Deathly Hallows is the master of death."

Well **** me it looks like a tie.

And you do know the Harry Potter characters can, well, leave right? If Hitler has a bone to pick with the entire magical world, he'll not be stopping here. He has to take out pretty much every magical place out there. Including Azkaban, the Ministry, the other schools, etc. The Death Eaters wouldn't stand for muggles going around killing wizards and would certainly intervene. They can't kill Voldemort.

And never say your indifferent again by the way. You've made a thread purposely meant to stack the odds against the HP characters. That is not indifference.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No need to. The wizards vanish the Ark. Besides, felix felicis.

So HP magic is also greater than God. Awesome.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No need to. The wizards vanish the Ark. Besides, felix felicis.
Uh no... God> Wizards. The ark vaporizes them.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
And "he who has all 3 Deathly Hallows is the master of death."

Well **** me it looks like a tie.
Have you even read the book? "Master of death" does not mean one is invicible rather it means they accept the inevitability that death comes and worse things can happen.



... Really? This is a fight between Hogwarts and he Third Reich while armed with the Ark. Death Eaters are not going to be present in this fight, otherwise the aliens from Crystal Skull come in and kill all the wizards.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
And "he who has all 3 Deathly Hallows is the master of death."

Well **** me it looks like a tie.

And you do know the Harry Potter characters can, well, leave right? If Hitler has a bone to pick with the entire magical world, he'll not be stopping here. He has to take out pretty much every magical place out there. Including Azkaban, the Ministry, the other schools, etc. The Death Eaters wouldn't stand for muggles going around killing wizards and would certainly intervene. They can't kill Voldemort.

And never say your indifferent again by the way. You've made a thread purposely meant to stack the odds against the HP characters. That is not indifference.

Nope I really am indifferent. We've had many threads here, and after they've been debated, these last threads completed an outline of what sort of circumstances the Wizards could or couldnt' win at.

As we can see, the thread where wizardry goes up against the regular Armed divisions of the losing side of WW2, with the aid of back up of the allies they come off favourably. And I have no problem with that.

But against God, The force or anything that rules everything on a subatomic level seems to be where they peak out.
Also against people who are better at messing with time than Wizards also....and people and things that have space travel and massive weaponry too.
But HP spells and stuff would be excellent no doubt in many situations
that fall below that kinda tier.

Hate is not needed or relevant. Im simply indifferent to Potter mania. Hope that clears that up for you.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
As we can see, the thread where wizardry goes up against the regular Armed divisions of the losing side of WW2, with the aid of back up of the allies they come off favourably. And I have no problem with that.

But against God, The force or anything that rules everything on a subatomic level seems to be where they peak out.
Also against people who are better at messing with time than Wizards also....and people and things that have space travel and massive weaponry too.
But HP spells and stuff would be excellent no doubt in many situations
that fall below that kinda tier.

Hate is not needed or relevant. Im simply indifferent to Potter mania. Hope that clears that up for you.

I've actually just been arguing that the Wizards by themselves take on the Axis forces. But technically the thread says otherwise, but it's not even close if they get Allies help.

God yeah, Morgan Freeman could breath on the HP universe and kill everyone. The force...it really depends on the user. A rookie jedi could likely take out any rookie wizard. But I can't think of many jedi I'd put over Dumbledore(which is just my opinion based on movies, not the EU where Starkiller could damn near solo HP.)

No hate. Just that I'm reminded of Link in the VG versus forum. Just more annoying since I can argue for HP.

But what are the Ark's feats? I know it melts people but not much more beyond that.

Fair play Aura.

It laid waste to entire civilisations, and wiping cities from the earth with Sandstorms that lasted a year....it unleashes plagues, kills indiscriminately when set off. (As evidenced by it having slaughtered whole cities of men women and children regardless of their affiliation.)
Death has always surrounded it.
It killed rats in the hold of a ship, but let the nazi's live 'til the end of the movies.

The CIA guy at the beginning to the movie outlays most of the exposition.

Originally posted by Robtard
So HP magic is also greater than God. Awesome. Never said that. Just saying the Ark never showed magical resistance.

But the Ark was being the daddy of all magic, wasn't it.

Just like it would against the HP wizards, unless you say HP magic beats God.

And now this has headed into an area I knew it would. Not gonna post here anymore, dude. No offense, I just don't feel comfortable doing so.

None taken.

"You must do what you feel is right, of course."

So basically RJ thinks Harry wins, which is why he wont admit it for fear of Blasphemy.

But im betting that Its not gonna be Potter who wins that contest.

Im not at all convinced that Protego is the no limits fallacy RJ says it is.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I just don't feel comfortable.

The signs you get when you know someone has lost.

let's not be lame, you two

Theres no lameness here.

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(More on the reich/and god/the church, for those interested in the points raised here in support of likelihood Hitler being given the ark.)