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Seems pretty spot on to me.

Originally posted by skekUng
Seems pretty spot on to me. We're agreeing on something!

I thought you wanted the free market?

so, zeal, what do you think is the answer man?

like, aside from Paul and just "libertarianism", do you have any hope for conservatism? Personally, I'd love something of the Burkeian or even Goldburg style, but it seems that even on an international scale, "conservative" parties are following what the GOP does, and it is becoming policy everywhere.

How do we make conservatives about empowering the individual again? how do we make it about standing up to all forms of authority, corporate or government?

Originally posted by King Kandy
I thought you wanted the free market?


What he said.

It should be more like Dems vs Reality for it is them who is living in a fake world not us.

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Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
It should be more like Dems vs Reality for it is them who is living in a fake world not us. Democrats in politics aren't without their faults but I'd love some evidence that Republicans care about the poor as well as the rich. It's not hard to believe that they value money more than country. Since we're a sophisticated country with many regulations that promote safety and environmental awareness, they'd rather build elsewhere where than can put people and the environment at risk to maximize profits that are already tremendous. Sacrificing some profit to ensure a better future for your workers would be the ideal thing to do but republicans will shut down their factories here instead. Then they will pretend that they are pro-life because that appeals to those in the moral camp. They are pro-rich but I'll gladly listen to evidence that they benefit anyone other than the rich.

America is a whore. Every single other country that outsources has failsafes in their trade policies that protect their jobs, we don't.

The truth of the matter is that there are enough wealthy people and consumers in Europe and asia willing to buy products that America could outsource right around 40% of the workforce and still have a healthy economy. You just do what some latin and south american countries have done and fence off gated communities with armed guards.

Originally posted by inimalist
so, zeal, what do you think is the answer man?
Difficult problem. I can see multiple ways to facilitate it. Primary would be to erect protectionist barriers. Not my favored method as it would cause the prices of commodities to rise, but it would be the simplest and most difficult to avoid. Preferred method would be tax code reform and the heavy taxation of corporations in undeveloped countries.

Unfortunately, corporate lobbying makes this unlikely. Essentially, there is no solution. We're ****ed until an actual revolution takes place. With any luck, a new generation of young Republicans will sweep through and revitalize the party, debriding those serving as Reagan's thralls.

Eisenhower Republicanism. (That is to say, no.) Both parties at this point so ideologically opposed and combative that no real hope exists unless a progressive Republican gets into office and pushes both parties to the left.

Liberals demand government out of their lives but empower the welfare state while pushing for statist and "nanny state" policies. Neoconservatives support fascism in the guise of patriotism and are moral authoritarians despite claiming to be "small government."

Freedom exists under neither.

Kill the Baby Boomers. Hope for swift death for the Reagan Republicans. Demand accountability from our politicians. Pray for a charismatic leader to crush Reagan's ideology. But most of all, kill the Baby Boomers.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
America is a whore. Every single other country that outsources has failsafes in their trade policies that protect their jobs, we don't.

The truth of the matter is that there are enough wealthy people and consumers in Europe and asia willing to buy products that America could outsource right around 40% of the workforce and still have a healthy economy. You just do what some latin and south american countries have done and fence off gated communities with armed guards.

Is that like saying there is something about America that is anti-socialism?

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
debriding those serving as Reagan's thralls.

Eisenhower Republicanism.

We might part ways on some major points you've made, but pointing out the huge difference between these two conflicting republican ideaologies was great. thank you. Yes, let's tax off shore comapnies AND on-shore companies. While we're at it, lets tax churches, as well.

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Bang Bang, Shoot Shoot!

I get it.

They are not all about money I have no idea why they are always blame for that.Both the Dems and Republican make alot of money themselves and as for helping others.
It is like this Republicans do help the poor and The Dems are for themselves and help the poor with all the horrible walfare stuff.

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Will this make a difference? People vote republican because they think voting democrat is voting for abortion...as if republicans don't get abortions. Really, people do think that the republican party is God's personal favorite because of it's pretend stances on society's moral issues. They play the hell out of the churchgoing people for real.

People vote Republican and Democrat because they're the only two main parties. Any other party would feel like a wasted vote.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
People vote Republican and Democrat because they're the only two main parties. Any other party would feel like a wasted vote. zing.

Originally posted by The MISTER
Will this make a difference? People vote republican because they think voting democrat is voting for abortion...as if republicans don't get abortions. Really, people do think that the republican party is God's personal favorite because of it's pretend stances on society's moral issues. They play the hell out of the churchgoing people for real.

Very few Republicans do get abortions and many are againist it.But one of the reasons that I am a republican beside being prolife is how the Dems want to control everything and I don't believe in the Goverement control on everybody and what we do.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
Very few Republicans do get abortions and many are againist it.But one of the reasons that I am a republican beside being prolife is how the Dems want to control everything and I don't believe in the Goverement control on everybody and what we do.

Wow, your logic is based on innumerable fallacies. First of all, the Democrats don't want to "control everything". They're too busy trying to be well liked by everyone to do anything. Second, The Republicans are completely bought, sold, and controlled by corporate interests. Last I heard, I government dominated by financial interests that want to control everything is the same kind of totalitarian nightmare you're so afraid the Democrats are after.

Then there's this prolife thing. Let's take a look at Republican policies. You've got opposition to abortion, opposition to consumer safety standards, opposition to public health, opposition to public education, opposition to child health care coverage, opposition to emergency management, opposition to child labor laws, opposition to labor safety laws, opposition to protectionism even in the cases of strategic industries, opposition to universal health care.

Sounds like your little party is just posturing and is, if anything, pro-death.
Read up on the actual purpose and origins of conservatism.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
Very few Republicans do get abortions.
Wrong. You know abortions are actually higher in conservative areas?

Originally posted by King Kandy
Wrong. You know abortions are actually higher in conservative areas? Over there they call them uh-ohs.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Wow, your logic is based on innumerable fallacies. First of all, the Democrats don't want to "control everything". They're too busy trying to be well liked by everyone to do anything. Second, The Republicans are completely bought, sold, and controlled by corporate interests. Last I heard, I government dominated by financial interests that want to control everything is the same kind of totalitarian nightmare you're so afraid the Democrats are after.

Then there's this prolife thing. Let's take a look at Republican policies. You've got opposition to abortion, opposition to consumer safety standards, opposition to public health, opposition to public education, opposition to child health care coverage, opposition to emergency management, opposition to child labor laws, opposition to labor safety laws, opposition to protectionism even in the cases of strategic industries, opposition to universal health care.

Sounds like your little party is just posturing and is, if anything, pro-death.
Read up on the actual purpose and origins of conservatism.

Some not as much as tyhe Dems are proabortion and the real Republicans are pro-life not death and as for the health care stuff I am againist it because it puts the goverment incharge and I don't think that they should be.

how can a pro-life position be against health care? the government shouldnt be in charge of health, but it should be in charge of your body? nonsense

Because a bureaucrat running a death panel who gets a bonus every time someone is denied care or dies is a much more trustworthy person than the government. An atrocity is ok as long as it's done by a private entity making a buck.

Originally posted by inimalist
how can a pro-life position be against health care? the government shouldnt be in charge of health, but it should be in charge of your body? nonsense

The goverment should not be incharge of any body or health care.

Originally posted by inimalist
how can a pro-life position be against health care? the government shouldnt be in charge of health, but it should be in charge of your body? nonsense

Becuse many on the far right have corrupted a certain religions principals. They will support "do not Kill" (unless it's in war for profit) but ignore the parts about "heal the sick" and "feed the hungry"

To get back to the topic of the thread, I know that it would be illegal to force a company to stay in the United State, but if a large company moves out, would it be legal to just put a ban on that company's goods? For example, imagine a large orange company that has many American employees decides that they could be making much more money if they employed labor from South Korea. Could the United States just stop importing goods from that company and coerce them in to coming back in to the United States or would that be illegal?