Heroic Age: Villains/Superheroes

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Bentley
I know this comics were pretty much toned down Handbooks to the Marvel Universe, but maybe you wanted to discuss stuff about them and mesays "why not"?


Me for example, I wanted to point out that Kang is the only villain listed with a Multiversal threat level. That's right. Above the freaking Cancerverse and the Chaos King evil face

-K-M-
Well the Chaos King entry was before he started attacking the multiverse

Bentley
Originally posted by -K-M-
Well the Chaos King entry was before he started attacking the multiverse


Still, Kang is above the likes of Thanos cool

-K-M-
Originally posted by Bentley
Still, Kang is above the likes of Thanos cool

Quan just died a little.

Gecko4lif
Originally posted by -K-M-
Quan just died a little.
Now if only we could finish the job

StiltmanFTW
Punisher is more powerful than the likes of Paladin, Prince or Orphans or Wolverine?

Yeah right.

Bentley
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Punisher is more powerful than the likes of Paladin, Prince or Orphans or Wolverine?

Yeah right.


He did nuke that island.


Edit: Also, it's supposed to be Frankencastle.

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Punisher is more powerful than the likes of Paladin, Prince or Orphans or Wolverine?

Yeah right.
true, though I take it with a grain of salt. We have no idea what that power rating is basing it off of. In Fury files of Wolverine his power level is two levels higher.

Also is low scores better in vulnerability? thats what it seems to me.

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by Bentley



Edit: Also, it's supposed to be Frankencastle.
I disagree. In fact he had no idea according to the bio what Frank had become so how could he be basing his powers off frankin ctasle?

StiltmanFTW
Welcome back, BH smile

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Welcome back, BH smile
thanks. It good to see you my friend. big grin

joesha28
The Vulnerability got be confuse...

Can anyone post the inputs of Hulk, Surfer etc...

Deadline
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Punisher is more powerful than the likes of Paladin, Prince or Orphans or Wolverine?

Yeah right.

It depends on how hes being rated, if its to do with sneakiness then yea he could be right. Scans anyone? smile

Hell Punisher gunned down Cap.

jalek moye
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Punisher is more powerful than the likes of Paladin, Prince or Orphans or Wolverine?

Yeah right.

It really says hes more powerful than Prince of Orphans?

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
thanks. It good to see you my friend. big grin

You too.

It may be Frankencastle's power level after all. I know it doesn't make much sense since Steve had little to no idea about that form, but still... it's just a handbook.

Black Panther was 9. I believe it's so high because he was the king of Wakanda then and all...

Originally posted by jalek moye
It really says hes more powerful than Prince of Orphans?

Frank's power rating is 8 and Poo's one is 7.

Deadline
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

Black Panther was 9. I believe it's so high because he was the king of Wakanda then and all...




If so that kinda indicates it has something to do with more than just simply powersets.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Deadline
If so that kinda indicates it has something to do with more than just simply powersets.

Yes, but Frank and BP are the only exceptions from that handbook I can think of right now.

Superhuman stats, if they are the main power that is, automatically guarantee 8lv in power.

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


Superhuman stats, if they are the main power that is, automatically guarantee 8lv in power.

really? I dident realize that.




how is vulnerability being measured? It seems to me that it how vulnerable to attacks each hero is. The more vulnerable you are the higher the rating.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
really? I dident realize that.




how is vulnerability being measured? It seems to me that it how vulnerable to attacks each hero is. The more vulnerable you are the higher the rating.

It looks like that, I mean.

No idea, don't have the access to that book now so I can't check.

-K-M-
Punisher has the same powerlevel as Wonderman, meh!

Its not power in the literal sense

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It looks like that, I mean.

No idea, don't have the access to that book now so I can't check.
true it does seem like that in many cases.






I have it and that how it seems to me but just looking for your opinion on the matter. People like Thor, wonderman ect have far lower ratings then street levels like punisher, moonknight ect. on the vulnerability

King Castle
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Punisher is more powerful than the likes of Paladin, Prince or Orphans or Wolverine?

Yeah right. pff... bull..

@BH

i missed you..
whimper

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by King Castle
pff... bull..

@BH

i missed you..
whimper
Hahahaha, I missed you to buddy big grin

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I have it and that how it seems to me but just looking for your opinion on the matter. People like Thor, wonderman ect have far lower ratings then street levels like punisher, moonknight ect. on the vulnerability

I checked a few entries and I don't think it's a physical vulnerability.

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I checked a few entries and I don't think it's a physical vulnerability.
I think it all around valnerability, durability, damage soak ect. If you look a lot of the more damage resistent individuals have far lower vulnerability listings.

-K-M-
It can also mean emotionally or mentally vulnerability and how easy they can fly off the handle, or how easily they can be controlled.

Dont look at it as strickly as a power-wise basis. Hence the "power-grid" is mostly emotional characteristics.

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by -K-M-
It can also mean emotionally or mentally vulnerability and how easy they can fly off the handle, or how easily they can be controlled.

Dont look at it as strickly as a power-wise basis. Hence the "power-grid" is mostly emotional characteristics.
True and I agree, though physical has to take a fair size portion of the vulnerability if you look at the characters with the lowest vulnerabilities compared with those of the highest.

-K-M-
It's mostly meant as emotionally vulnerable, as people Steve said were mentally weak were listed to have low vulnerability.

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by -K-M-
It's mostly meant as emotionally vulnerable, as people Steve said were mentally weak were listed to have low vulnerability.
when did he say this? I have it in front of me and I dont see this at all. In fact it make little sense if that was the case being Thor far from mentally weak and he one of the lowest on the scale. In fact it seems like being lower in vulnerability is better then being higher.

More I read through it, the more it seems to me the higher you are the worse. It also seems to encompass all of vulnerability both physically, mentalling, emotionally, and other forms.

-K-M-
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
when did he say this? I have it in front of me and I dont see this at all. In fact it make little sense if that was the case being Thor far from mentally weak and he one of the lowest on the scale. In fact it seems like being lower in vulnerability is better then being higher.

The whole thing is written in Steve's perspective.

But you can also look at it that those with no powers have more mental will then those who do as they have to try harder. It's honestly hard to say how it's guage, I wouldn't try to put much thought into it as it could go many different ways.

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by -K-M-
The whole thing is written in Steve's perspective.

But you can also look at it that those with no powers have more mental will then those who do as they have to try harder. It's honestly hard to say how it's guage, I wouldn't try to put much thought into it as it could go many different ways.
yes I know.



Honestly I disagree, to me it seems quite clear being higher in vulnerability is a bad thing. The more vulnerable you are the higher. Which is why all the streets are so high, such as hawlkeve for one is level 9. Because Thor is not mentalling nor physically vulnerable which is why he only at a level 5-6. Becuase he really not vulnerable in an real sense.

Rage.Of.Olympus
I assumed the higher the vulnerability the more you're vulnerable.

Here's Thor:
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9724/biolz.th.jpg

10 in everything except free will which is at a 9 -due to his allegiances to Asgard I'm guessing- and vulnerability which is at 6.

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I assumed the higher the vulnerability the more you're vulnerable.

Here's Thor:
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9724/biolz.th.jpg

10 in everything except free will which is at a 9 -due to his allegiances to Asgard I'm guessing- and vulnerability which is at 6.
I agree.


though I can see were KM coming from it is very vague and can diffidently be interpreted in different ways.

Rage.Of.Olympus
It can, but I think it makes more sense this way. Unfortunately, I don't have access to the comic to confirm how the rankings match up.

Badabing
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I assumed the higher the vulnerability the more you're vulnerable.

Here's Thor:
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9724/biolz.th.jpg

10 in everything except free will which is at a 9 -due to his allegiances to Asgard I'm guessing- and vulnerability which is at 6. Nice. It's stupid that his vulnerability is at 6 though.

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It can, but I think it makes more sense this way. Unfortunately, I don't have access to the comic to confirm how the rankings match up.
I agree it makes more senses this way. I have the comic and it does not explain vulnerability at all.

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by Badabing
Nice. It's stupid that his vulnerability is at 6 though.
why? It one of the lowest vulnerabilities out there. It should be low meaning he not very vulnerable at all.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
why? It one of the lowest vulnerabilities out there. It should be low meaning he not very vulnerable at all.

thumb up

Badabing
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
why? It one of the lowest vulnerabilities out there. It should be low meaning he not very vulnerable at all. Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
thumb up I think Thor should have the highest degree of invulnerability. So shut up. durfist

Bentley
If I recall correctly Steve said people with the most vulnerability were dettached from regular people and hence worse heroes. It's in the introduction, as such, you can take vulnerability as a messure of dettachement.

-K-M-
Originally posted by Bentley
If I recall correctly Steve said people with the most vulnerability were dettached from regular people and hence worse heroes. It's in the introduction, as such, you can take vulnerability as a messure of dettachement.

Yeah that's what I was saying, but who knows really as they never gave a detailed explanation.

joesha28
Hulk, Surfer, Thor.. vulnerability running a 6!!! All of them

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