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The squad of kick ass deduces Ozymandias' plan through Rorshach' diary found 30+ years later. They trap Ozy in a old wharehouse where they intend to kill him but Ozy has predicted this and placed a powerful magnet that strips them of their weapons but kick ass himself has gone in the back way. They meet each other in a room and prepare to fight each other as Ozy stares them down seeing them as a threat to peace. Kick Ass comes in and attempts to attack Veidt but is stopped by Hit Girl. The fight begins now:

Hit Girl(Butterfly Knife)
Big Daddy(Knuckledusters)
Kick Ass(Batons)
Red Mist(Baseball bat)
Derouve( sorry forgot name, knuckledusters )

Vs

Ozymandias(unarmed)

No other equipment, only what is named, can he keep the peace or will he be gutted and outed?

Ozy rapes hard.

lulface kick asses only chance would be if Ozy phoned in sick

Yeah Red Mist and Kick-ass go down hard early, Big Daddy and Hit-Girl won't last long either though without most of their arsenal. Knuckledusters and a butterfly knife aren't going to cut it.

Ozy.

Originally posted by McNasty996
but kick ass himself has gone in the back way.


HAAA!

Me thinks that Ozy would like that.

Originally posted by General_Iroh
a butterfly knife n't going to cut it.

HAAA!








Ozy solos. The fights are over in about 2 seconds.

Originally posted by dadudemon


Ozy solos. The fights are over in about 2 seconds.

really? I doubt it. I reckon Team Kickass could at least last 30 seconds.










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The Kick-Ass team are ripped apart like wet tissue

If HG has her cable knives, then maybe, MAYBE.....

Lol not at all man... youre really trying ot say she has speed comapred to Ozy? That's crazy.

Kick-Ass and Red Mist are complete non-factors. If by Derouve you mean D'Amico (the main villain), then same goes for him, a non-factor.

And honestly, you gave Big Daddy and Hit Girl some pretty poor weapons. Knuckle duster and butterknife? Please, you might as well have left them unarmed. At least give each of them a handgun, Ozy's a bullet timer anyway.

Ozymandias tears them apart in a matter of a few seconds, the team has no chance at all.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Ozymandias tears them apart in a matter of a few seconds, the team has no chance at all.

This is clearly spite...

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
If HG has her cable knives, then maybe, MAYBE.....

Not even then, dude.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
If HG has her cable knives, then maybe, MAYBE.....

that'll just make Ozy play some Ozy Osborne music

Not that hard to see. If he is busy with the other four, she'd have a chance.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Not that hard to see. If he is busy with the other four, she'd have a chance.

but bullets and knives won't hurt Ozy though

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
but bullets and knives won't hurt Ozy though Since when is he impervious to bullets and knives?

He probably means that it'll be hard to tag Ozy with bullets and knives.

Originally posted by DarkNemesis
He probably means that it'll be hard to tag Ozy with bullets and knives.


yeah this is what i meant

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
but bullets and knives won't hurt Ozy though

Originally posted by General_Iroh
Since when is he impervious to bullets and knives?

I think he meant that using those tools would be ineffective against him because Ozy would dodge and evade attacks with those weapons.


But, Ozy's bullet dodging can be overtaxed, IMO. Just two shooters should overtax him, imo.

This is total spite. Give Hit Girl and Big Daddy their guns and other equipment, and then we have a fight.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi


if you think otherwise than post some valid evidence instead of fanboyism. IIRC, Ozy is much more faster than the little 10 year old and also post a vid where Ozy was shot and/or knifed and blood was pouring out

Ozy can process information way too quickly for the team to comprehend. Better more experienced fighters couldn't get a bead on him.

HG stands 0/10 chance of hitting him. Especially since she goes first.

^Pretty much, but I don't see where people are getting that Ozy could win even if the OP allowed HG/BD to be armed. Ozy caught one bullet. Big deal.

If they are blasting at him he falls like anybody else.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
^Pretty much, but I don't see where people are getting that Ozy could win even if the OP allowed HG/BD to be armed. Ozy caught one bullet. Big deal. Yeah, I'm going with team Kick Ass here, IF HG is allowed her cable knives. Look at what she did here:

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Big Daddy has mad damage soak, so if Ozy is busy kicking the shit outta him, she can employ the cable knives.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yeah, I'm going with team Kick Ass here, IF HG is allowed her cable knives. Look at what she did here:

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Big Daddy has mad damage soak, so if Ozy is busy kicking the shit outta him, she can employ the cable knives.
I dunno I'm hard pressed to say she could take down Ozy with just cable knives. Given Big Daddy can take a beating that's all he'll be taking with knuckledusters as his only form of weapon. I can't imagine that he's a significantly better fighter than Rorschach and Nite Owl's combined efforts. And they couldn't do crap to Ozy. Give Big Daddy a gun however and it's a different story.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yeah, I'm going with team Kick Ass here, IF HG is allowed her cable knives. Look at what she did here:

Big Daddy has mad damage soak, so if Ozy is busy kicking the shit outta him, she can employ the cable knives.

His suit (like his glove) is likely bullet proof, not that it matters much; he could beat them naked. He's shown to fight multiples, casually evade hits while having a conversation and fightning back without trying to kill. They're not touching him here and he likely could KO them with a hit or two, dude has insane strength.

He can also catch thrown knives, so grabbing that cable shouldn't be too much of a problem, should he wish.

True cable knife isn't much of a threat to Ozy

Originally posted by Robtard
His suit (like his glove) is likely bullet proof, not that it matters much; he could beat them naked. He's shown to fight multiples, casually evade hits while having a conversation and fightning back without trying to kill. They're not touching him here and he likely could KO them with a hit or two, dude has insane strength.

He can also catch thrown knives, so grabbing that cable shouldn't be too much of a problem, should he wish.

HG was a surgeon with those blades. If she gets a clear shot at his face, she's hitting it.

He can't grab the cable if his hand is up BD's ass.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
HG was a surgeon with those blades. If she gets a clear shot at his face, she's hitting it.

He can't grab the cable if his hand is up BD's ass.

Na.

Watch the last fight in Watchmen, he fights two good combatants, avoids everything while having a conversation and he wasn't trying to kill them. Here he's unleashed, Daddy goes down in seconds, maybe not out, but down.

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Guy is a beast, super-human strength, plus a high level of speed.

Aahahahaahha "Daddy goes down."

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Aahahahaahha "Daddy goes down."

In this fight, that might happen too.

It's a big if, dude. But IF she gets a shot at him, she'll hit him between the eyes.




Aaaaaaaaahahahahaha.

She's getting kicked like a soccer ball and flying 100-feet to her death.

Probably so, 9 times outta 10.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Probably so, 9 times outta 10.

Na, booted each and every time.

Nah, even monkeys fall outta trees. If the fight over and over and over and over and over, eventually Ozy'll **** up.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It's a big if, dude. But IF she gets a shot at him, she'll hit him between the eyes.
Aaaaaaaaahahahahaha.

The guy had the ability to process situations and probabilities on the fly.
And dodged a bullet at blank range.
She used shock and run tactics to avoid hers.
He catches the knife and shoves it into a wall.

Originally posted by the ninjak
The guy had the ability to process situations and probabilities on the fly.
And dodged a bullet at blank range.
She used shock and run tactics to avoid hers.
He catches the knife and shoves it into a wall. One on one, yeah, but he had 4 others to worry about.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Nah, even monkeys fall outta trees. If the fight over and over and over and over and over, eventually Ozy'll **** up.

With his intellect, won't be 10% of the time. Maybe one fight out of a million.

Originally posted by Robtard
With his intellect, won't be 10% of the time. Maybe one fight out of a million. 1/100. Ozy ****ed up in Watchmen.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
1/100. Ozy ****ed up in Watchmen.

1%? Na.

IIRC, he made one wrong calculation, that the device that created Dr. Manhattan would also kill him. Considering Dr. Manhattan's powers and the being he became, it's not too bad, all things considered.

Originally posted by Robtard
1%? Na.

IIRC, he made one wrong calculation, that the device that created Dr. Manhattan would also kill him. Considering Dr. Manhattan's powers and the being he became, it's not too bad, all things considered. Still.

Ozy suceeded completely.

Dr Manhattan made clones so when Ozy killed the one Doc it was really just a gamble. He still persuaded DM to kill Rorschach and take the blame.

Ozy is on another level.

But not totally infallible.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
But not totally infallible.

Who is?

Originally posted by the ninjak
Who is? Me.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Me.

Originally posted by the ninjak

Originally posted by Robtard


IIRC, he made one wrong calculation, that the device that created Dr. Manhattan would also kill him. Considering Dr. Manhattan's powers and the being he became, it's not too bad, all things considered.

Actually I thought it was pretty stupid.

The device 'demolecularizes' objects...

"I'm disappointed in you, Adrian. I'm very disappointed. Reassembling myself was the first trick I learned. It didn't kill Osterman. Did you really think it would it would kill me?"

- Dr Manhattan

Originally posted by Placidity
Actually I thought it was pretty stupid.

The device 'demolecularizes' objects...

"I'm disappointed in you, Adrian. I'm very disappointed. Reassembling myself was the first trick I learned. It didn't kill Osterman. Did you really think it would it would kill me?"

- Dr Manhattan Mhm, noob mistake.

Originally posted by the ninjak
The guy had the ability to process situations and probabilities on the fly.
And dodged a bullet at blank range.
She used shock and run tactics to avoid hers.
He catches the knife and shoves it into a wall.

that or Ozy shoves the knife straight through the little kids heart

Oh my.

That, or he makes a crucial mistake as he did with Manhattan and has his throat slit.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
That, or he makes a crucial mistake as he did with Manhattan and has his throat slit.

We see him fighting and what's he's capable of, this angling for 1/100 serves what purpose?

Making a gamble with Dr Manhattan. Then manipulating him anyway.

Doesn't count as a crucial mistake.
Manhattan is unstoppable besides use of persuasion.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Making a gamble with Dr Manhattan. Then manipulating him anyway.

Doesn't count as a crucial mistake.
Manhattan is unstoppable besides use of persuasion. Read what Placidity said.

I did. What Dr Manhattan assumed in that remark had no bearing on Ozy's endgame.

He factored in the possibility that demoleculisation wouldn't work and pushed Plan B into action.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Read what Placidity said.

Considering he was dealing with an immense level of power, trying to kill Dr. M with what created him wasn't a retard move, all things considered.

What was he to try otherwise?

Originally posted by the ninjak
I did. What Dr Manhattan assumed in that remark had no bearing on Ozy's endgame.

He factored in the possibility that demoleculisation wouldn't work and pushed Plan B into action. White people are stupid.

Stupid is stupid does sir.

Watchmen was stupid.

Agreed.
Did you guys watch Misfits? Awesome show.

No.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No.

Give it a go. You'll love it.

Originally posted by Robtard
Considering he was dealing with an immense level of power, trying to kill Dr. M with what created him wasn't a retard move, all things considered.


Explain why its not.

Manhattan's own statement explains the lack of logic in attempting to do what Ozy did.

Originally posted by Robtard
What was he to try otherwise?


Well, firstly he should've recognized that it would be futile.

Secondly, he didn't even need to kill Manhattan. He could have shown him the TV screen the first time round and it would've worked out the same.

Not so smart... ay.

I would blame it on the plot though. Ozy still clever guy and doesn't afraid of anything.

He manipulated everyone, including Manhattan. The tachyon stunt may have been just to buy him a little extra time for the world press to convene and international leaders to come to an accord.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
He manipulated everyone, including Manhattan.

I don't see how that is relevant to the discussion.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
The tachyon stunt may have been just to buy him a little extra time for the world press to convene and international leaders to come to an accord.

Unlikely, I recall he looked surprised to see that Manhattan was alive.

Originally posted by Placidity
I don't see how that is relevant to the discussion. I don't see how Manhattan is relevant to the discussion at all, but everyone's doing it.



Originally posted by Placidity
Unlikely, I recall he looked surprised to see that Manhattan was alive. Killing Dr. M would have saved him a world of potential trouble (the possible blabbing). Next best thing would have been to slow him down. Either way, he secured his plan or at least bought himself time.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I don't see how Manhattan is relevant to the discussion at all, but everyone's doing it.

Well, its more to do with Ozy not being infallible, which doesn't really change the outcome of the fight but it was the point being made.

He's the best a human can be. Unfortunately, nowhere in our programming is the Infallible function unlocked, so Ozy just has to make do.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
He's the best a human can be. Unfortunately, nowhere in our programming is the Infallible function unlocked, so Ozy just has to make do.

Well, I'm not sure I entirely agree with that.

I mean you could argue there are superior peak humans out there. Bruce Wayne, Tony Stark, Mister Terrific, Lex Luthor etc.

That would make for an interesting topic actually.

Originally posted by Placidity
Unlikely, I recall he looked surprised to see that Manhattan was alive.

Anybody would looked surprised to see a giant blue guy breaking his roof in.

Ozy played Manhattan. Nuff said.

Originally posted by Placidity
Explain why its not.

Manhattan's own statement explains the lack of logic in attempting to do what Ozy did.



Well, firstly he should've recognized that it would be futile.

Secondly, he didn't even need to kill Manhattan. He could have shown him the TV screen the first time round and it would've worked out the same.

Not so smart... ay.

I would blame it on the plot though. Ozy still clever guy and doesn't afraid of anything.

Because he was dealing with a being of immense power than even his own insanely high intellect couldn't fully grasp. Extreme heat is used to create a steel girder; extreme heat can also destroy it.

Was it a gamble? Yes. Was it retarded? No.

He had no guarantee how Manhatten would ultimately react in the end, so he planned and planned with back-up.

As far as Ozymandias being infallible, no one said he was. The "he ****ed up with Manhattan" angle was brought in to somehow conclude that he would ****-up kicking the crap out of these four.

Ozy demolishes

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
That, or he makes a crucial mistake as he did with Manhattan and has his throat slit. You just compared making a single mistake in an attempt to kill Dr. Manhattan, and a mistake in fighting these five.

They are not comparable.

Beating these relative weaklings is a trivial matter for Veidt, compared to the task of attempting to blind, manipulate, and kill Manhattan. The first two succeeded. The last one did not, and it was a gamble, and he failed. But to even compare that to fighting these five is insane.

Originally posted by Robtard
Because he was dealing with a being of immense power than even his own insanely high intellect couldn't fully grasp. Extreme heat is used to create a steel girder; extreme heat can also destroy it.


Not the same at all. Manhattan had already learnt how to reform himself from being demolecularized. Steel cannot reform itself at will.

Originally posted by Robtard

Was it a gamble? Yes. Was it retarded? No.


Still lacks complete logic as Manhattan pointed out, its as clear as day.

Originally posted by Robtard

He had no guarantee how Manhatten would ultimately react in the end, so he planned and planned with back-up.


He could have tried to convince him first, and then attempt to kill him if it didn't work. Its better than pissing him off first.

Originally posted by Robtard

As far as Ozymandias being infallible, no one said he was. The "he ****ed up with Manhattan" angle was brought in to somehow conclude that he would ****-up kicking the crap out of these four.

I agree. I was just pointing out Ozy made a stupid mistake in the movie (which was something you and RJ were discussing if I recall) Likewise, others should stop bringing up how 'Ozy manipulated Manhattan' as if that has any bearing on this fight.

Originally posted by Placidity
Not the same at all. Manhattan had already learnt how to reform himself from being demolecularized. Steel cannot reform itself at will.



Still lacks complete logic as Manhattan pointed out, its as clear as day.



He could have tried to convince him first, and then attempt to kill him if it didn't work. Its better than pissing him off first.



I agree. I was just pointing out Ozy made a stupid mistake in the movie (which was something you and RJ were discussing if I recall) Likewise, others should stop bringing up how 'Ozy manipulated Manhattan' as if that has any bearing on this fight.

Destroyed as a human first, Ozy had no idea if destroying him again n his new form would net the same outcome, him coming back. For that matter, he had no idea if the device would have worked again. IE He made a gamble, not a retard move.

Dr. M is an abstract being at best, "logic" doesn't really apply.

Manhattan was already pissy when he got there. Why Ozy ran.

Just going to have to agree to disagree. I don't see it as a stupid move, considering that he was dealing with. Trying to shoot Manhattan with a gun, that's clearly a stupid move.

Originally posted by Robtard

Just going to have to agree to disagree