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Who can get off more punches in 1 second?

probably surfer, although surfer's combat speed is relatively slow compare to his travel speed

Genius.

Superman.

Has the SS ever speed blitzed anyone?

Superman

Originally posted by keiththegreat
Who can get off more punches in 1 second? you might as well just ask a mod to ban you at this point.

Wow... Superman. Show me some punching feats from Surfer. These threads are crazy.

Spiderman.

Spiderman punching feats>Surfers.

Originally posted by carver9
Spiderman punching feats>anyone's.

Originally posted by carver9
Spiderman punching feats>Surfers. spider-man's web shooting feats > surfer's

get it?

Well, the SS doesn't HAVE to punch people, so I think that's why we rarely see him do it. But I think he could easily punch faster than Spiderman. Just because he hasn't, doesn't mean he can't. here's some good speed feats for Surfer:

http://img217.imageshack.us/i/captainmarvelv301009.jpg/

http://img193.imageshack.us/i/captainmarvelv301010.jpg/

http://www.comicvine.com/myvine

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just because surfer doesn't punch people doesn't mean he can't punch.
and surfer is generally faster than superman

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Surfer punching faster than Supes?
why is this thread even on?

Originally posted by MrMind
just because surfer doesn't punch people doesn't mean he can't punch.
and surfer is generally faster than superman

I disagree...

Supes is a lot faster imo. Surfer flight speed is faster but supermans reflexes and body movement is faster.

I could picture Supes blitzing Surfer.

The Surfer has nano-second reaction time. (and that wasn't stated as an upper limit...and that was before his post-annihilation power up). He has searched the earth in the time it takes to finish a sentence. The Surfer doesn't have punching feats because he doesn't need to punch. But if he had to, I have no doubt he could punch faster than Superman.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
The Surfer has nano-second reaction time. (and that wasn't stated as an upper limit...and that was before his post-annihilation power up). He has searched the earth in the time it takes to finish a sentence. The Surfer doesn't have punching feats because he doesn't need to punch. But if he had to, I have no doubt he could punch faster than Superman.

I never said that surfer was slow... he isn't Superman fast though. Of course he can fly fast... terrax and firelord can fly fast as well but that doesn't mean that all of them can punch in a blur.

We don't go by what we "think" the character can do, we go by what was shown and there was nothing shown of surfer fighting in superman type of fashion.

Hyperion has nano second feats but that doesn't mean that he can do everything superman can do speed wise.

If someone can react to something in a nano-second, that implies they can do other things (such as punch) at that speed as well.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
If someone can react to something in a nano-second, that implies they can do other things (such as punch) at that speed as well.

his mind and his body on his board may react that fast, but i havent seen his hands move that fast.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
his mind and his body on his board may react that fast, but i havent seen his hands move that fast.

No debate there. But like I said, there's no much of reason for him to either. Look at it this way, Superman can punch, and eye beam people. His options are a little limited. The Surfer on the other hand unleashes massive amounts of energy which is his primary attack. (the same reason Dr. Strange doesn't punch very often either...there's no need to).

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/48/marvelcomicspresents001fk4.jpg

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
If someone can react to something in a nano-second, that implies they can do other things (such as punch) at that speed as well.

So surfer can punch and blast at super speed? Prove it.

Originally posted by carver9
So surfer can punch and blast at super speed? Prove it.


the punch part i wont buy. i can see him doing multiple energy blasts though.

Surfer can shoulder block, tackle, and clothesline faster than Supes can punch, but can't punch faster than Supes can punch.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/48/marvelcomicspresents001fk4.jpg One would think that with such reflexes would see Panther's armbar coming.

Superman.

Superman without a doubt.

And in regards to Surfer's nano second feat. Superman had nano second level feats. Even during his weaker incarnations.

Originally posted by SamZED
One would think that with such reflexes would see Panther's armbar coming.

Wow. Resorting to lowballing. How about we start showing Superman getting surprised?

His speed isn't too impressive when he is hit again by a human in a robot suit.

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/747/actioncomics826page20ly2.jpg

Can't dodge this either:

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/4500/actioncomics827page19xf2.jpg

Taken by surprise:

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/9912/actioncomics827page21cf4.jpg

Again, his speed doesn't look too impressive:

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/2954/actioncomics828page12sa8.jpg

Knocked out by HAWKMAN:

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/699/sb0419hv4.jpg

Hit by a laser:

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/6083/supermanbatman3pg07sl7.jpg

Caught off guard again:

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/8751/supermanbatman3pg16lt9.jpg

and again:

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/6182/actioncomics77917tc6.jpg

And again:

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4339/supermanbatman022page13dc9.jpg

AND AGAIN:

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/8983/supermanbatman001pg09vd0.jpg

SO much for faster than a speeding bullet:

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7156/supermanbatman001pg15ab6.jpg

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Superman without a doubt.

And in regards to Surfer's nano second feat. Superman had nano second level feats. Even during his weaker incarnations.

The Surfer is considerably more powerful now than when he performed his nano-second feat.

I have a question for everyone who thinks Superman can punch faster than the SS. Can Superman punch faster than Galactus, since we've never seen the big G punch fast?

Originally posted by keiththegreat
I have a question for everyone who thinks Superman can punch faster than the SS. Can Superman punch faster than Galactus, since we've never seen the big G punch fast?

First I would like to say that I never said that supes was unhittable, I am one of the peeps that argue against the speed that people quote him being capable of moving/fighting at BUT he is faster than Surfer and there is so much proof backing this up. His fight against doomsday rex or equus is proof of this.

Lol... at you using galactus as an aid for the surfer. Again, we go by what is shown on panel, not by what we "think" because if we went by our thoughts of characters, I would enjoy creating wolverine into my own, personal, high herald.

Originally posted by carver9
First I would like to say that I never said that supes was unhittable, I am one of the peeps that argue against the speed that people quote him being capable of moving/fighting at BUT he is faster than Surfer and there is so much proof backing this up. His fight against doomsday rex or equus is proof of this.

Lol... at you using galactus as an aid for the surfer. Again, we go by what is shown on panel, not by what we "think" because if we went by our thoughts of characters, I would enjoy creating wolverine into my own, personal, high herald.

I was just showing those low showings in response to the SS low balling that someone else posted.

So, basically, by what you just said, Superman can punch faster than Galactus, correct?

Originally posted by keiththegreat
I was just showing those low showings in response to the SS low balling that someone else posted.

So, basically, by what you just said, Superman can punch faster than Galactus, correct?

No because galactus thunder clapped beta ray bill, someone that kept up with surfer and stardust, he squashed bill before bill got the chance to react. He slapped around tyrant, someone that fought surfer along with a couple of other heralds and didn't get a glove laid n him but galactus kept pace with him. Galactus fought tenebrous and only got hit once whereas surfer was punched, blasted and then punched through a moon by tenebrous.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
you might as well just ask a mod to ban you at this point.



Originally posted by -Pr-




he even had a femto-second one recently iirc. i heard that's faster.



also, not sure i'll keep this open...

fish


and i believe even ironman has shown femto-second processing speed. just because one can process info that quickly does not equate to moving so quickly. i've not seen ss do that. IM's processing speed>ss's?

based on evidence? superman

based on common sense? i'd say ss could likely do more. maybe...

Superman obviously.

As for the comparison of their general speeds, they have similar thought and reaction speeds, SM has much better h2h superspeed (superhuman agility and body movement coordination) and SS has much better deslocation speed.

Originally posted by leonidas




fish


and i believe even ironman has shown femto-second processing speed. just because one can process info that quickly does not equate to moving so quickly. i've not seen ss do that. IM's processing speed>ss's?

based on evidence? superman

based on common sense? i'd say ss could likely do more. maybe...

Yes, ironman does have a femto-second speed feat... he showed this during his fight against titanus (one of the best fighting scenes I have seen).

I'm still giving this to supes but I agree, if we use common sense, then yes, surfer should win this.

Originally posted by leonidas




fish


and i believe even ironman has shown femto-second processing speed. just because one can process info that quickly does not equate to moving so quickly. i've not seen ss do that. IM's processing speed>ss's?

based on evidence? superman

based on common sense? i'd say ss could likely do more. maybe...

femto-second is in keeping with his other feats, though.

Superman has the superior feats.

I don't know what you mean by "common sense" though.

Originally posted by -Pr-
femto-second is in keeping with his other feats, though.

oh, i agree. didn't mean to imply otherwise. i only brought it up as a comparison for ss. as far as evidence shows, IM>ss in terms of reaction/processing. i don't think there can be much disagreement in terms of evidence. the problem comes from extrapolating from that evidence. we KNOW how fast superman is. we DON'T know how fast ss is capable of being. we can only infer how fast. that's a slippery slope and leads to questions like--can supes punch faster than galactus??? a ridiculous question.

again, on evidence clearly superman. but i don't think it unreasonable to claim that the ss could likely match him if he were pressed to.

and........ nothing to say about the fish??? i LOVE that smilie....

Originally posted by leonidas
oh, i agree. didn't mean to imply otherwise. i only brought it up as a comparison for ss. as far as evidence shows, IM>ss in terms of reaction/processing. i don't think there can be much disagreement in terms of evidence. the problem comes from extrapolating from that evidence. we KNOW how fast superman is. we DON'T know how fast ss is capable of being. we can only infer how fast. that's a slippery slope and leads to questions like--can supes punch faster than galactus??? a ridiculous question.

again, on evidence clearly superman. but i don't think it unreasonable to claim that the ss could likely match him if he were pressed to.

and........ nothing to say about the fish??? i LOVE that smilie....

he could compete, yes.

and your common sense thing distracted me from the fish.

Originally posted by -Pr-
he could compete, yes.

and your common sense thing distracted me from the fish.

common sense in the forum CAN be rather distracting. fortunately it doesn't rear its ugly head all that often....

Originally posted by leonidas
common sense in the forum CAN be rather distracting. fortunately it doesn't rear its ugly head all that often....

i just honestly didn't understand what context you were using it in. or were you talking about the whole "they're both ultra quick heralds so should generally be on a comparable level" thing?

Originally posted by -Pr-
i just honestly didn't understand what context you were using it in. or were you talking about the whole "they're both ultra quick heralds so should generally be on a comparable level" thing?

if you're talking about the IM bit, i brought it up to show that even a non-heralder can have feats that are extreme. i'd think most would say ss>IM in regards to speed, but IM has feats that ss doesn't. i know i don't have to tell YOU of all people that feats can't be the be-all/end-all. i think if the feats are suitably far apart they can be VERY telling. in this case though, given what he is and what he's shown capable of, even though he may not match kal in feats, i think it not unreasonable to say ss could match him if he had too. if asked to back it up though, it would be a very difficult thing to prove because it has more to do with ss as a character in totality than any individual feat per se.

hrm. THAT was easy to explain.

ps--you type really fast.

Originally posted by leonidas
if you're talking about the IM bit, i brought it up to show that even a non-heralder can have feats that are extreme. i'd think most would say ss>IM in regards to speed, but IM has feats that ss doesn't. i know i don't have to tell YOU of all people that feats can't be the be-all/end-all. i think if the feats are suitably far apart they can be VERY telling. in this case though, given what he is and what he's shown capable of, even though he may not match kal in feats, i think it not unreasonable to say ss could match him if he had too. if asked to back it up though, it would be a very difficult thing to prove because it has more to do with ss as a character in totality than any individual feat per se.

hrm. THAT was easy to explain.



ah.

Originally posted by leonidas
ps--you type really fast.

i do.

Originally posted by keiththegreat
I was just showing those low showings in response to the SS low balling that someone else posted.

So, basically, by what you just said, Superman can punch faster than Galactus, correct? holy shit....

Originally posted by keiththegreat
Wow. Resorting to lowballing. How about we start showing Superman getting surprised?

His speed isn't too impressive when he is hit again by a human in a robot suit.

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/747/actioncomics826page20ly2.jpg

Can't dodge this either:

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/4500/actioncomics827page19xf2.jpg

Taken by surprise:

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/9912/actioncomics827page21cf4.jpg

Again, his speed doesn't look too impressive:

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/2954/actioncomics828page12sa8.jpg

Knocked out by HAWKMAN:

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/699/sb0419hv4.jpg

Hit by a laser:

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/6083/supermanbatman3pg07sl7.jpg

Caught off guard again:

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/8751/supermanbatman3pg16lt9.jpg

and again:

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/6182/actioncomics77917tc6.jpg

And again:

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4339/supermanbatman022page13dc9.jpg

AND AGAIN:

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/8983/supermanbatman001pg09vd0.jpg

SO much for faster than a speeding bullet:

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7156/supermanbatman001pg15ab6.jpg Here's a penny, buy yourself a sense of humour. Can't you tell that I was kidding?

Originally posted by keiththegreat
I was just showing those low showings in response to the SS low balling that someone else posted.

So, basically, by what you just said, Superman can punch faster than Galactus, correct?

Wow you'd actually argue that a cosmic giant like Galactus has need for speedy hands? Surely even if he's propelling his hands at light speed, it paints a ridiculous picture.

A thread with Surfer and Superman is pretty much an invitation for those who think Surfer beats Supes at everything.

Originally posted by Bentley
Surfer beats Supes at everything.
it's in the Marvel OHOTMU

Originally posted by janus77
it's in the Marvel OHOTMU





Originally posted by leonidas
ps--you type really fast.


Random adition to your comment Leo. Quasar just got a nanosecond reaction feats too and people don't think him faster than Surfer.

Originally posted by leonidas
based on common sense? i'd say ss could likely do more. maybe... I'm not sure where this "common sense" comes from, unless you leeched it from some of the brightest posters on this forum.

Because common sense says that the person with the more consistent, impressive and clear-cut showings of high speed, and also a status as the fastest non-Flash/Zoom character in his universe vastly outclasses a character whose speed is mostly made out of hyperbolic statements or ambiguous feats, and who has, on-panel, been outclassed by veritable speedsters like the Runner.

Originally posted by carver9
I disagree...

Supes is a lot faster imo. Surfer flight speed is faster but supermans reflexes and body movement is faster.

I could picture Supes blitzing Surfer. I couldn't. Would he blitz him? No. Is he certainly faster then him in reflexes? Yes.

Superman still clearly wins.

Surfer can fly at trans light speeds, maneuver at trans light speeds, heck even blast shit at trans light speeds but then again, so can Thor. In the comic book world Surfer/Thor like characters simply aren't treated as true combat speedsters like Superman and other flying bricks of his ilk. It's sad and a bit inane but it's also the truth.

Surfer would be able to tag Superman, or even mount an effective defense against Superman's speed but he won't be winning or matching Superman in this specific contest in my opinion.

Originally posted by leonidas
heh rules out anything i read in your posts, then. Than burns so much, leo. ermmnone
Originally posted by leonidas
not going to bother getting into a speed feat contest. i've done it before and as i've already said kal has more feats. however, ss has enough of them to indicate he can move and react at levels that call into question this contest.First, don't try to backtrack, redirect or ignore what you're initial stance was - it won't work with me. What I called into question was your "common sense indicates" throw-away. What's it based on? From your post - absolutly nothing. You don't want to compare feats, but then you leave a vague statement of "he has enough of them to call into question this contest". Which brings me to the second point - don't throw random, based-on-nothing statements around as if to create the illusion that you have an argument, while you dismiss the discussion on your post altogether.

If you have anything - and I mean anything substantial to actually back your trollish/insulting comment - and no, that's not an insult - what you did was saying that "common sense" dictates what is your unbacked, biased opinion and thus those like me, who disagree with it, don't have common sense - then I'm here to shut it down. Otherwise, don't bother.

Originally posted by leonidas
you're somehow claiming to be a bastion of common sense then use something as ambiguous as 'status' as a factor? ss is widely known to be among the fastest beings in marvel. so? 'status' won't get you very far i'm afraid. I'm afraid it's not my fault you were unable to fully comprehend my argument. But, it's okay.

Third grade explination mode activated.

The status argument was in order to support the ideea of consistency in speed portrayals - which is, to say, Superman has and is regarded as the primary non Flash/Zoom speedster in the DCU history-wide. Why is this important? Because the majority of writers don't portray Surfer having combat speed, much less Superman level. It's why probably the most popular Surfer speed feat that's always brought up as him being a top speedster - the nanosecond one, is from a relativly obscure short story from a Marvel Comics Presents story from a no-name writer. Consistency in portrayals, and not cherry picking what you like, no matter the comic.

Silly me, that's not in line with "common sense", is it leo?

And no, Surfer has never been portrayed as one of the top speedsters in comics. Flying wise, yes, but that's irrelevant. When it comes to combat speed, like I said, he's been outclassed by Runner which gets me to..
Originally posted by leonidas
and.... are you claiming kal has never been outclassed by 'veritable speedsters'...?

Yes, he has by the likes of Zoom. But if you've read the comics and not go by forum hype, Runner is, at best, on the same level as Superman in terms of combat speed. And I'm being very, very generous here. And that guy completly outclassed Surfer.

But no, direct comparisons aren't the way to go. Neither are feats. Neither is history or consistency. I'll just go with "common sense". Yeah, that's it.

As much as I prefer SS over Superman.I don't see him winning in a contest of who can throw more punches in a sec since there's no evidence that SS can throw multiple punches in a sec.If Surfer was portrayed moving his arms ala DBZ in a Ki blast action, then maybe that can be taken as evidence that he can throw multiple punches in a sec.SS has a better chance of beating Superman in a fight.But in a who can throw more punches contest, Superman dominates this.

So Superman wins this.

Originally posted by leonidas
on evidence clearly superman. but i don't think it unreasonable to claim that the ss could likely match him if he were pressed to.Sounds about right.

Inferring ability through the nature of the powerset is tricky, but I do believe it is justified in some circumstances. Eg, I've never seen the Flash pee, but I'm sure, if he wanted to, a Mach 100 urine stream would be well within his scope.

Originally posted by Mindship
Sounds about right.

Inferring ability through the nature of the powerset is tricky, but I do believe it is justified in some circumstances. Eg, I've never seen the Flash pee, but I'm sure, if he wanted to, a Mach 100 urine stream would be well within his scope.



well, glad we can finally agree on something!

I'm glad you've found a Surfer fan to agree on your lack of anything resembling evidence, and who, like you, just writes empty statements, that aren't formed by anything even close to a logical argument ("If Flash, probably the fastest character in comics with various applications of his speed, including speeding up projectiles can pee really fast, it means Surfer can match Superman, eventough, unlike Flash, he doesn't have anything to support that supposition!".

Furthermore, if we're going to just randomly assume things based on nothing, why isn't Surfer faster than Wally himself in punching speed. Or Zoom. We can apparently deduce he is from absolutly nothing. It's just 'common sense', dude.

This is sad.

As condensing and annoying as Phil is, he does have a point. Superman simply outclasses Norrin. Nothing I've seen suggests that he can punch on Clark's level.

Character's like Surfer simply aren't portrayed as speedsters in combat consistently.

Originally posted by leonidas


well, in my defense, i did find a very clear-headed, non-fanboy superman fan who agrees as well. or does pr simply write empty statements and agree with utterly illogical arguments all the time as well....

depends on how much alcohol i've had.

of coarse superman wins here

i think the point some people are trying to make is that surfer could replicate those type of punches if he chose to simply by the fact that the power cosmic can pretty much do anything. punching a guy seems like the lowest form of attack and is thus within the scope of the power cosmic, especially surfer's as he's the most powerful.


as for evidence of that to be true, there really is none as that's not something surfer does, so this is a faith based argument and is well deserving of a mod closure.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
of coarse superman wins here

i think the point some people are trying to make is that surfer could replicate those type of punches if he chose to simply by the fact that the power cosmic can pretty much do anything. punching a guy seems like the lowest form of attack and is thus within the scope of the power cosmic, especially surfer's as he's the most powerful.


as for evidence of that to be true, there really is none as that's not something surfer does, so this is a faith based argument and is well deserving of a mod closure.

cheers

Originally posted by -Pr-
depends on how much alcohol i've had.

last time i go to bat for you, mod-boy.