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The Dark Cloud
One I agree 100% with

Quiero Mota
"Should" and "will" are two different things. It will just be a lot of clapping and cheering with him saying "Let me be clear" every ten seconds, but nothing will really be said.

Last year's SOTU was about jobs and the economy too. So what's taking you, Obama? It seems like he's just begging to be a one-termer.

inimalist
god, I'd settle for removing corporate personhood

good article though... however Im not sure exactly what effect his suggestions would have... I do support more money for the middle class

Bardock42
Have you given thought to creating useful and informative thread titles, and summarizing and engaging opening posts?

Robtard
Originally posted by inimalist
I do support more money for the middle class

Should Obama say that, the rightwing bloggers will instantly restart the "socialist-communist" rant all over again.

inimalist
Originally posted by Robtard
Should Obama say that, the rightwing bloggers will instantly restart the "socialist-communist" rant all over again.

I know he would disagree with me, but:

Obama shouldn't be basing his presidency off of what people who are devoted to being against everything he does have to say

he does though...

Robtard
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Last year's SOTU was about jobs and the economy too. So what's taking you, Obama? It seems like he's just begging to be a one-termer.

I have a feeling it will be about "we've laid the ground-work these last four years; now we'll start building a better America."

I'm still fairly confident he'll do two terms, but he is starting to seem screwed. Bush had the "if you vote them in, America will be nuked" fear-angle going for him, not sure if Obama has anything that powerful in his arsenal as of yet.

dadudemon
Originally posted by Bardock42
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Slay would definitely have an aneurysm if he saw The Dark Cloud's threads.

The Dark Cloud
Originally posted by Bardock42
Have you given thought to creating useful and informative thread titles, and summarizing and engaging opening posts? confused

Robtard
Originally posted by inimalist
I know he would disagree with me, but:

Obama shouldn't be basing his presidency off of what people who are devoted to being against everything he does have to say

he does though...

It's probably more fear of what he can arm those who are against him to use as a tool to turn the small group that is the US undecided voter

Let's face it, Obama (or any President) could come out and say other retarded dribble and there's the percentage of the population who will vote for him no matter what and the percentage that won't. Just the way the US political systems works. Staunch Left and staunch right.

Bardock42
Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
confused

Is that a maybe?

The Dark Cloud
Originally posted by Bardock42
Is that a maybe?

Well Bardock...it does seem to have generated responses....even from you

Bardock42
Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Well Bardock...it does seem to have generated responses....even from you The thread, yeah, the topic, no, I am not reading it, cause I have no idea what it might be about.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by inimalist
I know he would disagree with me, but:

Obama shouldn't be basing his presidency off of what people who are devoted to being against everything he does have to say

he does though...

I would say it's the greatest weakness of liberal politics in America as a whole.

The Dark Cloud
Originally posted by Robtard

Let's face it, Obama (or any President) could come out and say other retarded dribble and there's the percentage of the population who will vote for him no matter what and the percentage that won't. Just the way the US political systems works. Staunch Left and staunch right.

Sad but true. I understand rich CEOs liking the way US economic policy is going...but I don't understand why some unemployed Iron Worker, or a car salesmen who was doing well 5 years ago but is now struggling, or the owner of a pizzaria that is barely making it, or even a checkout clerk at Wal Mart making $8.00 an hour, supporting current policy that harms them but yet many do.

The Dark Cloud
Originally posted by Bardock42
The thread, yeah, the topic, no, I am not reading it, cause I have no idea what it might be about.

Suit yourself

Robtard
Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Sad but true. I understand rich CEOs liking the way US economic policy is going...but I don't understand why some unemployed Iron Worker, or a car salesmen who was doing well 5 years ago but is now struggling, or the owner of a pizzaria that is barely making it, or even a checkout clerk at Wal Mart making $8.00 an hour, supporting current policy that harms them but yet many do.

What's happening now didn't start the day Obama took office, probably that.

The Dark Cloud
Originally posted by Robtard
What's happening now didn't start the day Obama took office, probably that.

I'm well aware of that. The point is he's doing nothing to change it.

dadudemon
Originally posted by Bardock42
The thread, yeah, the topic, no, I am not reading it, cause I have no idea what it might be about.

It's pretty obvious that it's about the state of the union address Obama is supposed to make...based on the posts in this thread.




I read the article and it's got some great points and a couple of bad ones. We do need regulation reform, for sure. His tax proposition seems reasonable.

Robtard
Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
I'm well aware of that. The point is he's doing nothing to change it.

Doing nothing as going along and literally leaving things as is or trying but failing?

Quiero Mota
Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
I'm well aware of that. The point is he's doing nothing to change it.

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll192/metalthrashinggeorge/Obama-Change.jpg

inimalist
Originally posted by Robtard
It's probably more fear of what he can arm those who are against him to use as a tool to turn the small group that is the US undecided voter

Let's face it, Obama (or any President) could come out and say other retarded dribble and there's the percentage of the population who will vote for him no matter what and the percentage that won't. Just the way the US political systems works. Staunch Left and staunch right.

then why not appeal to the staunch left, who elected him in the first place?

if not, it seems like any liberals who vote democrat are really voting republican, and the republicans certainly don't care to cater to the left

inimalist
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I would say it's the greatest weakness of liberal politics in America as a whole.

no willingness to stand up for what they say they believe in?

The Dark Cloud
Originally posted by Robtard
Doing nothing as going along and literally leaving things as is or trying but failing?

It's the same old song and dance. He concentrated on this disasterious healtcare bill when focusing on trade and economic issues should have been priority. Problem is now he's going along with the right trying to sell tax cuts and cooperation with China as the tools to job growth. He's just blowing smoke up everyone's ass

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by inimalist
no willingness to stand up for what they say they believe in?

Yes, basically. The left tends not to question the rhetoric of the right, they dismantle the factually based claims that the right makes but nothing else. The idea that people will side with you even if you never make personally targeted, emotional appeals weakens liberal rhetoric. As a result they've become willing to let the right define Americanness and then try to fit their views inside that framework.

Cracked, of all places, did a nice article on the problem:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/why-wtf-has-obama-done-so-far.com-isnt-helping-obama/?wa_user1=4&wa_user2=blog&wa_user3=blog&wa_user4=moreon

Robtard
Originally posted by inimalist
then why not appeal to the staunch left, who elected him in the first place?

if not, it seems like any liberals who vote democrat are really voting republican, and the republicans certainly don't care to cater to the left

I think the staunch left would vote for a chimp with a 'D' on its chest, as the staunch right would vote for an orangutan with an 'R' on its chest. Sadly, Presidents don't really have to appease their (voter) base all too much.

Wasn't there a thread Zeal put up a few months ago where Obama broke one of his major campaign promises (taxes?) and somehow it's seemingly okay with the majority of people who voted him in?

The average American(likely the same in other countries) voter has the political attention span of a bowl of cold soup. Come to America, visit 50 different metropolitan cities and ask 200 random people in each city "so, what ever happened to the WMD issue?"; I bet you the most common response will be something like "What?"

Ok, I'm ranting, I just have zero confidence in the US political system. /end rant

Quiero Mota
Originally posted by Robtard
Ok, I'm ranting, I just have zero confidence in the US political system. /end rant

Would you rather go back to Uruguay?

The Dark Cloud
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Would you rather go back to Uruguay?

I agree with him on the US political system. The electorate is really misinformed on a lot of issues and moneyed interests have far too much influence. Many European countries have a better model.

Robtard
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Would you rather go back to Uruguay?

No, I was raised here since 3; it's my home, it's my kids' home, my friends are all here and so are all my things.

Doesn't mean I can't ***** at what I see as wrong though, right? Though Uruguay is doing rather well, from what I hear.

King Kandy
Obama will pull a second term. Its 2011 and there is no republican hopeful with an approval rating to match his... unless someone appears out of the woodwork to unite the party, the fringe nature of most republican media figures lately will prevent them from getting a win on the national level.

skekUng
Originally posted by Bardock42
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RE: Blaxican
Originally posted by Robtard
No, I was raised here since 3

Wait. What?

Robtard
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Wait. What?

I'm a ****ing immigrant.

RE: Blaxican
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtE0jcAkvjI

mind = blown

ADarksideJedi
I don't plan to watch it at all tonight and doubt it if anything he says will be done anyway.

dadudemon
Republican candidates for 2012...

http://hubpages.com/hub/2012-Republican-Candidates


Originally posted by Robtard
Though Uruguay is doing rather well, from what I hear.

HA! That settles it, then: I KNEW you were Mexican.

Robtard
I really hope the numbering is irrelevant, cos Palin as #1, the Right must REALLY want Obama to do two terms.

RE: Blaxican
Can't believe Rob is a xeno. I'll never recover.

Quiero Mota
Originally posted by Robtard
I really hope the numbering is irrelevant, cos Palin as #1, the Right must REALLY want Obama to do two terms.

Which is why I doubt they'll nominate her. Pawlenty or Jindal would be good choices.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Can't believe Rob is a xeno. I'll never recover.

He's been a member since 2005, and you never noticed until now?

Robtard
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Which is why I doubt they'll nominate her. Pawlenty or Jindal would be good choices.

Generalissimo Petraeus. Someone with a military background in charge during a time of war.

Quiero Mota
Originally posted by Robtard
Generalissimo Petraeus. Someone with a military background in charge during a time of war.

No, because then the left will play up the whole baby-killer/warmonger angle, and say that he'll keep us in Iraq for even longer.

Bobby Jindal is basically the Republican Obama: non-white, intelligent, and a good speaker. And unlike Obama, he doesn't have a history of associating with questionable characters, and can always play the card of "Where were you for my state when the oil spill happened?".

RE: Blaxican
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Which is why I doubt they'll nominate her. Pawlenty or Jindal would be good choices.



He's been a member since 2005, and you never noticed until now? He's never mentioned it to me. -shrug-

Quiero Mota
He has numerous times in various threads.

Robtard
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
No, because then the left will play up the whole baby-killer/warmonger angle, and say that he'll keep us in Iraq for even longer.

Bobby Jindal is basically the Republican Obama: non-white, intelligent, and a good speaker. And unlike Obama, he doesn't have a history of associating with questionable characters, and can always play the card of "Where were you for my state when the oil spill happened?".

That would be the equivalent of the Left kicking itself in the boy-bag as Obama replaced Gen. McChrystal with Patraeus.

He would be a good choice, but he makes a bunch of stupid expressions; I don't want to see that for four years.

inimalist
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
No, because then the left will play up the whole baby-killer/warmonger angle, and say that he'll keep us in Iraq for even longer.

Bobby Jindal is basically the Republican Obama: non-white, intelligent, and a good speaker. And unlike Obama, he doesn't have a history of associating with questionable characters, and can always play the card of "Where were you for my state when the oil spill happened?".

Petreus might have some tough times with the right too, he has quotes that sort of question the Washintonian "tone" of the Afghan war. The spin could be pretty easy, same as how liberal politicians who said fighting terrorism is more of a law enforcement issue are branded as naieve sissies.

they made people think obama was a foreign islamist communist racist, they can make people think petreus is anti-military

RE: Blaxican
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
He has numerous times in various threads. kay shut up now

Robtard
Originally posted by inimalist

they made people think obama was a foreign islamist communist racist, they can make people think petreus is anti-military

You forgot 'socialist,' he was both communist and socialist, who wanted to take all our money.

Robtard
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
kay shut up now

You just got "pwned" by a Mexican.

RE: Blaxican
Tch. The fact that I'm only half Mexican negates the pwnage in itself. -somber look-

inimalist
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