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Achilles from "Troy" takes on Riddick from "Pitch Black" and "The Chronicles of Riddick" (No Dark Fury).

Achilles has his sword, shield, and armor. Riddick has his twin blades and goggles. The setting is where Achilles fought Hector in their epic battle in Troy.

Fight to the death, who wins?

Pitt is WAY hotter, so he wins.

I think Achilles wins this. Riddick is out of his element here. He shines as a stealth killer.

Riddick has a twin


Achilles has one of the most beautiful women in all the world

Achilles ftw

Take away his armor and shield.


How strong was Achilles compared to Riddick? Damage soak?

He took three arrows to the torso like a champ.

Vid.

Bloom shot him through the heel, then when Pitt got up to kick Bloom's ass, Bloom shot him 2-3 times before Pitt fell like a pussy.

So if Riddick knows about Achilles' weakness, then?


I'm betting strength goes to Riddick.

Achilles doesnt have to tank because hes way to skilled and is not getting touched. Also killing Rid with near ease.

This isnt the comic vs forum. Rid wouldnt know of his weakness.

No foreign blade wielded by ANY foe can touch achillies body, his divine touch is too much for anyone, Standard blades for riddick vs standard sword for Achilles and Achilles stomps. It's no slight to riddick though, he's badass.

If someone has superhuman speed then they might be able to beat his skill.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So if Riddick knows about Achilles' weakness, then?


I'm betting strength goes to Riddick.

That heel shot was for show, Achilles wasn't super-powered in the film like in the poem. He's jut an extremely well skilled and efficient killer, he'll bleed should be get hit by Riddick.

Originally posted by Robtard
That heel shot was for show, Achilles wasn't super-powered in the film like in the poem. He's jut an extremely well skilled and efficient killer, he'll bleed should be get hit by Riddick.

Catch is , no foreign blade can touch him.

But a foreign arrow can?

The movie did away with the supernatural/magical aspects of the poem.

OMG nobody knew about Achilles weakness. Note even Paris. He got lucky because his arrow was guided by Apollo :/

Riddick has no help from Greek Gods. He is screwed.

Am I nuts? Cos I don't recall Achilles' heel being brought in as a weakness and that he was invulnerable except there.

Achilles heel is the the only spot that can hurt him because he did not expect it. Other than that when he wants too, hes not getting touched because hes too skilled. He wasnt invulnerable.

Super duper fast people I think should be able to beat his skill.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So if Riddick knows about Achilles' weakness, then?


I'm betting strength goes to Riddick.

Willing to bet that Boagrius (or whatever his name was) was way stronger than them both...Didn't really do him a lot of good against Achilles.

Originally posted by jaden101
Willing to bet the Boagrius (or whatever his name was) was way stronger than them both...Didn't really do him a lot of good against Achilles.

Riddick is definitely stronger, but he's also on a level of speed that would give Achilles pause.

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Not sure about this famed Riddick speed. When he fought the Lord Marshall, he was throwing rather slow and clumsy punches.

Likely because Vin Diesel is a slow and clumsy man.

Originally posted by Robtard
Am I nuts? Cos I don't recall Achilles' heel being brought in as a weakness and that he was invulnerable except there. You're not nutz. Troy of 2004 was devoid of all things supernatural or divine, save for when people spoke of the gods and omens. Even Cassandra's "prediction" of Achilles' future was better described as obvious guesswork.


Achilles' heel is not the movie's character's sole weak spot.

Riddick is slow, he just predicted where Lord Marshall was going to be next.

Originally posted by Robtard
But a foreign arrow can?

The movie did away with the supernatural/magical aspects of the poem.

Riddick has no arrows

i never said it was anything to do with magic, his body wasn't touched by a single warrior , ones who were stronger, even outnumbered, and riddick has demonstrted little beyond what could get round achillies skill level.

Originally posted by Juk3n
Riddick has no arrows

i never said it was anything to do with magic, his body wasn't touched by a single warrior , ones who were stronger, even outnumbered, and riddick has demonstrted little beyond what could get round achillies skill level.

Are you arguing that only arrows can hurt him?

Because of his skill as a warrior alone, not because of any sort of invulnerability or special protection.

Yes, I tend to agree that Achilles would win here.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Riddick is slow, he just predicted where Lord Marshall was going to be next.

Karl Urban jumping in is what saved him in that fight. Not that Achilles would have done much better against the Lord Marshall 1v1.

If Achilles would have seen the arrow he would has easly dodged it. But he didnt and the fact that he didnt noticed the first arrow, it slowed him down.

Originally posted by Robtard
That heel shot was for show, Achilles wasn't super-powered in the film like in the poem. He's jut an extremely well skilled and efficient killer, he'll bleed should be get hit by Riddick.


extremely well skilled and efficient killer, sounds like Riddick. Could he take on a raptor and snap it's neck bare handed? And what about Riddick's feat against waves of Necro's? Cpuld Achilles, if they switched places and given Riddick's blades, duplicate that?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
extremely well skilled and efficient killer, sounds like Riddick. Could he take on a raptor and snap it's neck bare handed? And what about Riddick's feat against waves of Necro's? Cpuld Achilles, if they switched places and given Riddick's blades, duplicate that?

With his weapons, Achilles probably kill a raptor. Bare-handed? I don't think he showed that kind of strength, assuming it takes a considerable amount.

Those Necros were literally running into Riddick's knives like morons, iirc.

This is a 1v1 battle, Achilles definitely shows greater skill in this area. The shield, armor and longer sword are another advantage.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
extremely well skilled and efficient killer, sounds like Riddick. Could he take on a raptor and snap it's neck bare handed? And what about Riddick's feat against waves of Necro's? Cpuld Achilles, if they switched places and given Riddick's blades, duplicate that?

You mean the scene when Riddick...used a gun as well?

As well as had several other people with guns fighting along side him?

Well, like I said, should probably take away his shield and armor. Or give Riddick Necro armor.

Or just have them fight and debate who'd win that.

Obviously if Riddick is good enough to get past Necro futuristic armour then he should be good enough to get past ancient greek armour.

So there would be no point in changing what they have anyway.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Well, like I said, should probably take away his shield and armor. Or give Riddick Necro armor.

How about we have them fight naked in a tub of pesto?

Point. The shield at least. What were those shields made of back then?

Achilles.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Point. The shield at least. What were those shields made of back then?

Nothing special but he was just too skilled with it.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Point. The shield at least. What were those shields made of back then?

Wood covered in bronze and lined with leather on the inside.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Point. The shield at least. What were those shields made of back then?

Spartan shields were layers of wood and leather covered with a layer of Bronze on top, what Achilles had in that film appeared to be just some sort of metal.

Edit: Or what the Scotsman said.

Well, nothing on youtube showing Riddick much. Jaden's right, if Riddick can get past Necro armor, Achilles armor will be that much easier.

Strength? Riddick broke the neck of a raptor bare handed. He also send the Lord Marshall flying back 20ish feet with one punch.

Damage soak? The bounty hunter in PB dislocated Riddick's arm at the elbow, and Riddick barely noticed it.

Agility? I've been watching scenes of Troy on youtube, and I can't find anything that shows Achilles being nearly as agile as Riddick.



This is where I ask Rob to send me a copy of Troy.

Originally posted by Robtard
Spartan shields were layers of wood and leather covered with a layer of Bronze on top, what Achilles had in that film appeared to be just some sort of metal.

Edit: Or what the Scotsman said. Shit, not much of a shield.

Here we go:

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RJ doing what he does best, borderline trolling.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Shit, not much of a shield.

Here we go:


It's metal, will do well to deflect knives.

Here we go where? Time-frame?

I'll send you Troy, so you can masturbate to Brad Pitt. He's really ripped in this film and for some reason, he does some dramatic pose in just about every scene he's in, almost laughable.

Originally posted by The Nuul
RJ doing what he does best, borderline trolling. How so? Just stating Riddick's feats and attributes.

Thinking about it, RJ has a point on the agility. In opening of Chronicles, Riddick is running and jumping across pillar-like shit and is as agile as a ****ing cat.

Originally posted by Robtard
Thinking about it, RJ has a point on the agility. In opening of Chronicles, Riddick is running and jumping across pillar-like shit and is as agile as a ****ing cat. FF to the Necro fight scene towards the end of the vid I posted, it gets better.

OK, here:

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Are these Achilles' best fight scenes?

Pretty much. Notice the epic poses and stares in each scene?

Originally posted by Robtard
It's metal, will do well to deflect knives.

Here we go where? Time-frame?

I'll send you Troy, so you can masturbate to Brad Pitt. He's really ripped in this film and for some reason, he does some dramatic pose in just about every scene he's in, almost laughable.

2:14 to the end.

From what I see, Riddick is more agile, stronger, has more damage soak, and is as fast as Achilles. He was able to track a teleporting Lord Marshall and block some of his attacks, even strike some of his own blows. One punch, Lord Marshall flew back 20 feet. Hell, he's faster.

Unless I'm watching the wrong videos on Troy. Achilles is badass, but Riddick is on another level from what I see.


And if Rob is correct in saying those are Achilles' best fight scenes, yeah, Riddick wins here.

Originally posted by Robtard
Pretty much. Notice the epic poses and stares in each scene? Tyler Durden stares better.

He's not his ****in' khakis.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
is on another level


People who say this should be mule-kicked in the nuts.

Originally posted by Robtard
People who say this should be mule-kicked in the nuts. Faster. Stronger. More agile. Higher damage soak.

What do you call it?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Faster. Stronger. More agile. Higher damage soak.

What do you call it?

How about 'faster, stronger, more agile and a higher damage soak'?

Originally posted by Robtard
How about 'faster, stronger, more agile and a higher damage soak'? How about "Better than Achilles?"

Achilles should have his spear as well!

The spear,sword and shield combo are pivoltal.

Riddick'll shove that spear up Achilles' ass, Ajax style.

Pitt was a freakin martial artist with those weapons.
And if Riddick focuses on removing the spear from play he gets slashed.

After watching Riddick again last night I'm more inclined to say he'll have a chance. He is damn effective with those knives.

In terms of people here mentioned agility as Riddick being of a higher level...I agree in terms of simply running about etc but in terms of battle agility then Achilles against Hector shows Achilles avoiding a huge number of blows being swung at close range. I would wonder if Riddick would be able to land a perfectly placed shot. Achilles chest plate also take a hit from Hector with no damage and that's the only hit that Achilles takes prior to him being hit with the arrow.

Riddick takes A LOT of hits.

It's easily seen from the fight near the start of Chronicles that Riddick is extremely powerful as he's kicking and punching the people that have come to get him at the priest's house through doors and walls. Nothing that Achilles does compares to that but obviously he has fought people with great strength before as seen with Boagrius who was Thessaly's greatest warrior and who fell in one single sword blow.

In terms of speed I don't really think it's easy to say who is faster. Riddick's weapons are quicker to yield because they are obviously smaller than Achilles' sword/spear/shield that we see him using in various fights. Achilles does have enough awareness in battle, though, to know to put his shield on his back, without looking, in order to stop an arrow hitting him. He does this during the temple fight where he also kills a large number of temple guards by himself.

Now we come skill. I think Achilles has it here. When you watch his fights it gives the impression that he has total control over every movement of his body. Every turn, stance and weapon movement is precise...You see it particularly in when he strikes Hector with the back hand sword and forces him back...He then remains in the stance...The sword ringing with the force of the strike...Then once the shields have been discarded he manages to avoid every blow of Hector's sword and broken spear with ease and total control before landing the killing blow.

Riddick, on the other hand, while he has control in parts, sometimes seems like he's just striking out at random. I think in terms of skill...Achilles has it and that this would be the determining factor.

Originally posted by jaden101
After watching Riddick again last night I'm more inclined to say he'll have a chance. He is damn effective with those knives.

In terms of people here mentioned agility as Riddick being of a higher level...I agree in terms of simply running about etc but in terms of battle agility then Achilles against Hector shows Achilles avoiding a huge number of blows being swung at close range. I would wonder if Riddick would be able to land a perfectly placed shot. Achilles chest plate also take a hit from Hector with no damage and that's the only hit that Achilles takes prior to him being hit with the arrow. Riddick killed a man by driving a teacup into his chest. Give him a blade, and yeah, he'll sink it hilt deep through Achilles' armor.

The agility, well, Riddick was shown jumping ten feet in the air when he fought the Necros. He flip kicked the knife out of one Necros hand and pile drived the guy.

Major damage soak. Advantage Riddick here, it's not even close.

Riddick actually sent the Lord Marshall flying 20 feet onto his back with one punch. He also swung Kyra about like a rag doll and used her as a weapon. Strength= Riddick.

Battle awareness? As Ii said before, Riddick flip kicked a Necros knife out of his hand, pile drived him, killed a few more, and knew just where to be in order to catch the knife behind his back. He also knew just when to pick up a Necro and use him as a shield when Faako fired on him.

Am I wrong, or did Achilles fight guys with swords, spears and shields only?

You gotta be kidding me, man. Riddick was a damn surgeon with his blades.


Riddick is faster, stronger, has more damage soak and is at least as skilled with his tiger claw blades as Achilles is with his sword and shield. It'd be a good fight, but Riddick will get in close on Achilles and slice him to ribbons.

Your 1st point has absolutely nothing to do with your 2nd point. Still...Would've liked to have seen what Riddick was going to do with the small tin opener thing.




10ft through the air from an elavated position when he 1st attacks them is all I remember. Which is about the same as what Achilles done to kill Boagrius.



Point is Achilles took 1...Against someone who is regarded as one of the most skilled warriors in antiquity.




So is your average male figure skater as strong as Riddick then?




He knew where his own knife was going to land...Where as Achilles knew to put his shield on his back to protect himself from an arrow that someone else fired at a much faster speed that Riddick's knife was travelling when he caught it. He did this without looking.



Yeah...You're wrong...See above.

Besides, as I said before...You tried to claim that Riddick killed guys with guns using only his blades when he didn't...He used guns as well as having several other gun wielding allies.



Yet when Hector was in close on Achilles and weilding a sword and a spear he never landed a single blow on Achilles at the time when Achilles had no shield, no spear and 1 sword?

Originally posted by jaden101
Your 1st point has absolutely nothing to do with your 2nd point. Still...Would've liked to have seen what Riddick was going to do with the small tin opener thing. Point is that if Riddick can drive a teacup through a man's breastbone, he can certainly drive a knife through armor.

Wait, he did that, to Necro armor.




OK it was a bit elevated. There's still the flip kick and his rope trick on Crematoria.



Dude wasn't that skilled, he looked sloppy as hell.




K, ignore the first feat.




Yes, he knew where and when the knife would land. Battle awareness. He did this while fighting the whole time.

So Achilles put his shield on his back, big deal. He knew they would be shooting at him. It's like someone donning a bulletproof vest.



No, I'm not, read my reply. Achilles putting his shield on his back means nothing.

Riddick killed at least 45 Necros in one sitting, about ten with a gun.



OK, and when Riddick killed Irgun, one of the Lord Marshall's "best." Riddick was in his face, unarmed, and dodged every CQC attack Irgun threw at him. He then took the knife from Irgun's back and stabbed him over and over through his Necro armor.

I never said anything about not being able to drive a knife through Achilles' armour...I said he'd find it extremely difficult to land any knife on the armour in the 1st place.



haha...ok...If you say that Hector wasn't that skilled then I'm sure you're right in your own mind.



Yeah sure...In other words if it proves your point wrong then it's pure coincidence?...But...it wasn't.



Pretty sure I'm still right.



45 eh?...Wowaweewaaahhh

But regardless...You think one outcome...I think the other...And I really can't be arsed with these infantile debates anymore...I tend to keep out them now because there are far more important things to worry about...Like porn...and how it just aint what it used to be.

Originally posted by jaden101
Like porn...and how it just aint what it used to be. Rule 34 got you down?

Originally posted by Robtard
People who say this should be mule-kicked in the nuts.

No, I'd say that about sums it up: Riddick as on a whole other level. There's almost no comparison.

I say that this is a stomp thread and borderline spite.

Riddick should not be pitted against high-end humans, ever. He should only be put up against low-end super humans like Sabertooth, Pre-adamantine Wolverine, Ozymandias, and so forth. Riddick is not even human. Compared to humans, he's a superhuman in senses, speed, agility, and strength. Considering that he's from the future and uses various technologies, he's also more intelligent/educated than Achilles.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No, I'd say that about sums it up: Riddick as on a whole other level. There's almost no comparison.

I say that this is a stomp thread and borderline spite.

Riddick should not be pitted against high-end humans, ever. He should only be put up against low-end super humans like Sabertooth, Pre-adamantine Wolverine, Ozymandias, and so forth. Riddick is not even human. Compared to humans, he's a superhuman in senses, speed, agility, and strength. Considering that he's from the future and uses various technologies, he's also more intelligent/educated than Achilles.

Originally posted by dadudemon
a whole other level.


You should be mule-kicked in the nuts.

The same way Riddick'll kick Achilles in the nuts.

Originally posted by Robtard
You should be mule-kicked in the nuts.

The mule will break it's foot off on my adamantium goans.

You know that already via word of mouth from your mom.

Lets gets off moms cos I just got off of yours?

Originally posted by Robtard
Lets gets off moms cos I just got off of yours?

Thanks. How much do I owe you for services this week?

Riddicks got this fight, hes the alpha furyan of the furyan (warrior) race possesing insane power, speed, agility, pain thresshold, and maybe above all his crazy awareness. Nothing gos over riddick's head, nothing. In seconds he could tell u just about anything about the situation hes in, and if riddicks weilding twin urlacks blades if achilles comes withen 10 ft of riddick hes swiss cheese. If all else fails, quote from chronicles "Im sure god has his tricks, but getting out of places no one else can is one of mine." Riddick will fly outa there and disappear until nightfall when he can just use hes stealth fighting style and eyeshine night vision to come out of nowhere an finish him. Besides in chronicles Riddick is just shredding up necros, the most feired warriors in the universe, like a stroll in the park. Riddick all the way.

This is a good fight, but I give Riddick majority due to his Wrath of the Furyan's ability.

Riddick the rapist.

Achilles wins.

Achilles, simply due to him not being hit.


And I just spent time waiting for my pizza reading this thread, RJ, you havent brought many points that are any better than Achilles. Sure, Riddick has better agility, and stregnth, and speed, and hes a ninja with those blades, but Achilles didnt get touched once, unless i forgot one.

That knife catching behind his back is less impressive, and he threw it up, and knew where it would land, it was in his control. The arrow was fired from a distance, by another person, and he just finished killiong a guy THEN caught it behind his back. Thats more impressive.

That big dude (forgot his name) was killed by a running jump stab, one stab. Achilles has good precision as well with his sword.

Achilles has also shown to be in better control of the fightts he had been in, instead of just wildly slashing front, back, side, he prodded, then killed.

He fought from behind his back as well, look at the fight scenes in the videos earlier.

Overall, in a 10 round fight, its Achills 6/10, and just barely in the last. Riddick is no lightweight, and alot of the wins for either of them will be down to just straight luck, or Riddick tiring Achilles out, but Achilles has the capacity to end the fight in an early-ish stage, and he will.

Barely.

Achilles wins.

Originally posted by Pwned
Achilles, simply due to him not being hit.


And I just spent time waiting for my pizza reading this thread, RJ, you havent brought many points that are any better than Achilles.
Sure, just superior screen feats. Riddick is at least as fast, is stronger, has WAY more damage soak, is more agile, has more stamina and has FAR superior battle prowess.

Educate yourself on Furyans: http://riddick.wikia.com/wiki/Furyans

Furyans themselves are impressive physical specimens; they are stronger, faster, tougher, more resistant to damage and injury, possess acute senses, immense stamina, and recover quicker than most of the other Human races.

Riddick win

Achilles and his shield PWN.

Bullshit, Riddick smashes the shield with one blow. FURYANS.

lmao Those shields withstood countless blows from strong experienced soldiers. It would last him long enough to land a killing counter. I would probably take Riddick if Achilles didn't have his shield but that shield puts him at the advantage. Not only does it force Riddick to be on the offensive it also leaves him open to a counter anytime he lands a blow on the shield.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
lmao Those shields withstood countless blows from strong experienced soldiers. It would last him long enough to land a killing counter. I would probably take Riddick if Achilles didn't have his shield but that shield puts him at the advantage. Not only does it force Riddick to be on the offensive it also leaves him open to a counter anytime he lands a blow on the shield. You do know what a Furyan is, don't you?

yep, but it's achilles shield...,crafted from the Gods. However, even if it was never specified in the movie that he used the shield from, The Shield of Achilles. I still don't see Riddick smashing through a bronze plated shield in a single or even several blows. Again, it still puts him at a disadvantage having to be on the constant offensive. like Riddick, one of Achilles greatest abilities were his counters.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
yep, but it's achilles shield...,crafted from the Gods. However, even if it was never specified in the movie that he used the shield from, The Shield of Achilles. I still don't see Riddick smashing through a bronze plated shield in a single or even several blows. Again, it still puts him at a disadvantage having to be on the constant offensive. like Riddick, one of Achilles greatest abilities were his counters. Just re-read the OP. Achilles has his shield AND armor? Lulz.

Nevertheless, Riddick was shown cutting right through Necro armor, which is surely much stronger than wood covered in bronze.

So Hitgirl can dodge any bullet but Achillies can't dodge anyblow?

Hit Girl can use bullet dodging to avoid being hit by bullets fired from 10 men, all at once, in an enclosed space, while running at them, returning fire.

What's that have to do with Achilles?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Hit Girl can use bullet dodging to avoid being hit by bullets fired from 10 men, all at once, in an enclosed space, while running at them, returning fire.


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