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Fight in Norhtwestern America rain forest.

Who wins?

Depends on the era of Animal Man and Vixen, as Vixen showed she can copy the powers of metas such as Superman and Flash (No longer has that ability though).

I though you were going to say Snowbird goes Great Beast on their *sses.

She can be speedblitzed before she even transforms.

Originally posted by -K-M-
She can be speedblitzed before she even transforms.


By who? Vixen? I thought AM had to "transform" himself.

Originally posted by Bentley
By who? Vixen? I thought AM had to "transform" himself.

Vixen, and AM since his upgrade usually "transforms" instantly...well normally.

snowbird wins

Originally posted by -K-M-
Ice Kamehameha

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/ChaosWar-AlphaFlight022.jpg

DC team.

Probably small majority to DC if Vixen can copy metas.

Basically DC's best bet is speedblitz, if they don't do that Guardian and Snowbird could potentially finish them quick themselves.

I don't think Guardian can beat current Geo-Force.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I don't think Guardian can beat current Geo-Force.

Did he receieve another upgrade? Last upgrade I saw of his is when he got Terra's powers.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Did he receieve another upgrade? Last upgrade I saw of his is when he got Terra's powers.

He can basically control earth, being close to an elemental. He just recently took on Achilles. I don't think he's class 100, but he's close.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
He can basically control earth, being close to an elemental. He just recently took on Achilles. I don't think he's class 100, but he's close.

Yeah he has had that for some time, but Guardian literally could seperate him from the earth which weakens him or shut off his brain...and yes Guardian can do that.

Even in the weaker Guarduan suit, Heather Hudson had no problems trading blows with Wonder Man and she was holding back too

just depends on who gets the first attack off. geo could mess with his gravity while covering him with thousand tons of ruble.
i dont think you can separate geo from earth itself. or any elemental for that matter.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
just depends on who gets the first attack off. geo could mess with his gravity while covering him with thousand tons of ruble.
i dont think you can separate geo from earth itself. or any elemental for that matter.

Guardian can control gravity too, a shield has worked before against Geo but that was before his terra upgrade.

Also yep it depends who gets the first attack off

i think team 2 take a majority now. both animal man and vixen lost those power ups. right?

I don't think Animal Man did, but Vixen definetly lost hers.

Vixen mimics the mental powers of Gorilla Grodd or the Shark and things go down hill for Alpha Flight. This goes even quicker if she can mimic the abilities of Krypto and Grodd/Shark at the same time.

Grodd
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorilla_Grodd
Shark
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark_(comics)
Krypto
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krypto_

Animal Man approximates the powers of a Sun Eater. Team 2 dies.

Originally posted by Galan007
Animal Man approximates the powers of a Sun Eater. Team 2 dies.



That too.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Yeah he has had that for some time, but Guardian literally could seperate him from the earth which weakens him or shut off his brain...and yes Guardian can do that.

Even in the weaker Guarduan suit, Heather Hudson had no problems trading blows with Wonder Man and she was holding back too

he still has powers when not connected to the earth. or did you mean weakened as in "not as strong" rather than "weaker than usual"?

Originally posted by Galan007
Animal Man approximates the powers of a Sun Eater. Team 2 dies.



That's the upgrade Im talking about

Originally posted by HandOfFate
Vixen mimics the mental powers of Gorilla Grodd or the Shark and things go down hill for Alpha Flight. This goes even quicker if she can mimic the abilities of Krypto and Grodd/Shark at the same time.

Grodd
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorilla_Grodd
Shark
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark_(comics)
Krypto
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krypto_

Pretty much the entire AF team is immune to telepathy so won't work. If you wish to go that route Snowbird and Sasquatch take the forms of a Great Beast, and Guardian goes into Galactus buster mode

Originally posted by -Pr-
he still has powers when not connected to the earth. or did you mean weakened as in "not as strong" rather than "weaker than usual"?

Weaker, but if he is disconnected from the Earth for an unknown period of time as noted he will die.

Originally posted by -K-M-
That's the upgrade Im talking about

Pretty much the entire AF team is immune to telepathy so won't work. If you wish to go that route Snowbird and Sasquatch take the forms of a Great Beast, and Guardian goes into Galactus buster mode


See, you thought telepathy, I thought matter rearrangement with mid-level Superman powers.....and if you wanna go feat Vs. feat....Vixen and Animal Man together have created 2/3 of a universe.

Geo-Force goes and takes a nap, while Alpha Flight finds out what Animal Masters really are.

Originally posted by HandOfFate
See, you thought telepathy, I thought matter rearrangement with mid-level Superman powers.....and if you wanna go feat Vs. feat....Vixen and Animal Man together have created 2/3 of a universe.

Geo-Force goes and takes a nap, while Alpha Flight finds out what Animal Masters really are.

Which would be unlikely to be honest. I thought I was up to date on those two when did they do that? I'm a pretty big fan of Animal Man, but Vixen is meh! but she was pretty bad ass when he could copy meta powers.

Two members can become skyfathers, and the other one-shotted a weakened Galactus Give them their do's.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Which would be unlikely to be honest. I thought I was up to date on those two when did they do that? I'm a pretty big fan of Animal Man, but Vixen is meh! but she was pretty bad ass when he could copy meta powers.

Two members can become skyfathers, and the other one-shotted a weakened Galactus Give them their do's.

It's about as likely as Snowbird and Sasquatch becoming Skyfather level or Guardian and his Galactus one-shot. Also, I'm giving these guys their do's but....none of them will beat making a universe.

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/1685/universe2.th.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/1923/makingauniverse.th.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8774/universe3.th.jpg

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/5752/makingauniverse3.th.jpg

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/3058/makingauniverse4.th.jpg

Eh? Do you know Snowbird and Sasquatch? They become them quiet abit, heck even Snowbird did it in Secret Invasion not to long ago when she was on the original God Squad. Plus just a few months back she transformed into the God of Polar Bears

Originally posted by -K-M-
Snowbird
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Incredible Hercules #119 (Vol.1) :
Here the God Squad get to the Skrull Gods palace, but it is being guarded by pantheons of Gods from 978 past and present Imperial Worlds that the Skrulls have took over. The team is completely outnumbered and outgunned as even Demorgorge the God Eater was struggling fighting them. It was Snowbird taking the form of Neooqtoq a Great Beast and was taking them all on by herself

1. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/IncredibleHercules119Zone-Meganpg14.jpg
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Also nice feat, but how is that a combat feat? and wasn't just them that did that either

If AF had Shaman this would be alot closer.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
If AF had Shaman this would be alot closer.

If they had Shaman it would be an utter stomp. Only chance team DC has is speedblitz or sun-eater form.

Shaman could potentially solo.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Eh? Do you know Snowbird and Sasquatch? They become them quiet abit, heck even Snowbird did it in Secret Invasion not to long ago when she was on the original God Squad. Plus just a few months back she transformed into the God of Polar

Wait, you think any form they might take will be able to stop universe makers? Sadly, my Alpha Flight reading stops after Snowbird's Death and returns when Northstar comes out of the closet.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Also nice feat, but how is that a combat feat? and wasn't just them that did that either

Making 2/3 of a universe is still greater then anything you've shown me. AAMOF, the Shining Man, the person at the end of the pages I scanned was basically several of the Great Beast combined. They stripped him of his powers and then created a universe around him.

Animal Masters don't need each other to create something....as shown in the same issue where Animal Man's daughter creates a butterfly.

If you can, find Animal Man 40-50. Not a bad read.

Originally posted by HandOfFate
Wait, you think any form they might take will be able to stop universe makers?

Making 2/3 of a universe is still greater then anything you've shown me. AAMOF, the Shining Man, the person at the end of pages I scanned was basically several of the Great Beast combined. They stripped him of his powers and then created a universe around him.

Animal Masters don't need each other to create something....as shown in the same issue where Animal Man's daughter creates a butterfly.

If you can, find Animal Man 40-50. Not a bad read.

Do they operate on that power alone? No. Snowbird was eating gods, and easily defeated beings in Chaos War that destroyed an entire universe *shrugs*

That wasn't on their own power, and do they operate at those levels all the time? Definetly not. It's a nice feat, but it's basically the same thing as Storm with the Galactic Core. The Great Beasts were as noted the cloest things that came to beating the Chaos King and his army until Snowbird betrayed them.

As I mentioned earlier Guardian one-shotted a weakened Galactus when the combined might of Hercules, Her, Sersi, Windshear, BOX IV, Vindicator and Vision couldn't do much to him. One hit and they wouldn't even know what hit them.

Animal Man is an incredible read, I just seriously don't even remember this feat to be honest.

a.) Without Vixen/Tristess, Buddy would NOT have been able to create 1/3 of a universe, or whatever. The three of them together were required for that particular feat.

b.) Aside from that, how in the heck would creating 1/3 of a universe help Buddy win this battle anyway?

c.) Even if you take that feat at face value, it is so far beyond anything else Buddy has done that it could easily be viewed as PIS. Buddy simply doesn't operate on that level normally.

d.) Why would he bother with any of that when he could just duplicate the abilities of a Sun-Eater?

Originally posted by Galan007
a.) Without Vixen/Tristess, Buddy would NOT have been able to create 1/3 of a universe, or whatever. The three of them together were absolutely required for that particular feat.

b.) Aside from that, how in the heck would creating 1/3 of a universe help Buddy win this battle anyway?

c.) Even if you take that feat at face value, it is so far beyond anything Buddy has done that it could easily be viewed as PIS. Buddy simply doesn't operate on that level.

d.) Why would he bother with any of that when he could just duplicate the abilities of a Sun-Eater?

That's my thinking as well, and yep point D is key

Galan007, Sun-Eater? That thing that Superman beat by flying into it's brain and freezing it?

PS I thought AM was limited to animals? Is the Sun-Eater considered and animal?

I googled this info so if I'm wrong I'm sorry in advance.

Originally posted by zopzop
Galan007, Sun-Eater? That thing that Superman beat by flying into it's brain and freezing it?

PS I thought AM was limited to animals? Is the Sun-Eater considered and animal?

I googled this info so if I'm wrong I'm sorry in advance. During 52, Buddy received an upgrade that allowed him to duplicate the abilities of any animal across the entire universe -- an upgrade he put to use right away when he took on the powers of a Sun-Eater.

Not familiar with Superman freezing a Sun-Eater's brain...? In general, though, they are portrayed as enormously powerful creatures.

Originally posted by Galan007
a.) Without Vixen/Tristess, Buddy would NOT have been able to create 1/3 of a universe, or whatever. The three of them together were required for that particular feat.

b.) Aside from that, how in the heck would creating 1/3 of a universe help Buddy win this battle anyway?

c.) Even if you take that feat at face value, it is so far beyond anything else Buddy has done that it could easily be viewed as PIS. Buddy simply doesn't operate on that level normally.

d.) Why would he bother with any of that when he could just duplicate the abilities of a Sun-Eater?

You do realize this whole conversation is based on one-time events. If it wasn't then why bring up the time Snowbird became a Bear God or the time Guardian one-shot Galactus or the time Vixen and Animal Man made a universe.

At this time -K-M- and I are using the most powerful version of each team to defend our opinions....at least that the way I see it.....and 1/3 of universe, probably covers several galaxies....so that a lot of sun and planets to throw at someone.

Anyway, been fun -K-M-.

Originally posted by HandOfFate
You do realize this whole conversation is based on one-time events. If it wasn't then why bring up the time Snowbird became a Bear God or the time Guardian one-shot Galactus or the time Vixen and Animal Man made a universe.

At this time -K-M- and I are using the most powerful version of each team to defend our opinions....at least that the way I see it.....and 1/3 of universe, probably covers several galaxies....so that a lot of sun and planets to throw at someone.

Anyway, been fun -K-M-.

Snowbird isn't a one time thing she is a underated monster, and actually Guardian was rebuilt to fight Galactus so that's who he is.

Once again they needed all three to do that feat which isn't happening here, and if you go by their most powerful. Sasquatch goes Tanaraq, and Snowbird takes any of her skyfather forms. You don't want to go that route. For this battle it comes down who can hit first, and depends on what era of Vixen or Animal Man it is as I said earlier they could speedblitz.

It's nice to see another Animal Man fan.

Geo-Force would murder Walter biscuits