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So no Infinity Gauntlet, Heart of the Universe, or immature Cosmic Cubes...

Now with that stated, who is the weakest character who can beat a Galactus weilding his ultimate weapon of mass destruction?

Reed Richards

I have a character in mind, but I want to see what the "hive mind" here thinks 1st...

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Reed Richards

O ya mun...

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Not!!

In all seriousness though; without a massive quanity of PIS on Galactus's part, Richards cant beat Galactus...and definitely has no prayer of beating him here.

Cosmo.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
In all seriousness though; without a massive quanity of PIS on Galactus's part, Richards cant beat Galactus...and definitely has no prayer of beating him here.
But Reed (and all comic book super scientists) are all about PIS. That's like saying "No PIS" in a Karate Kid fight, it strips away the character's fundamental nature.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
But Reed (and all comic book super scientists) are all about PIS. That's like saying "No PIS" in a Karate Kid fight, it strips away the character's fundamental nature.

Then that makes Reed helpless against Galactus in a forum fight...right?

It would have to be Oblivion and MAYBE, I emphasize MAYBE, Death.

Reasons for Oblivion :

He's more powerful than Galactus and the UN would ultimately do nothing to him since nullified beings are sent to him.

Reason for Death :

She's more powerful than Galactus and in one reality, where the UN was used by someone with Cosmic Awareness, everyone and everything was wiped out, EXCEPT Death who was seen laughing at the end.

Also in Marvel - The End, she was one of the last beings standing after Thanos had absorbed everything including the Living Tribunal.

Your challenge, LordofMurder, requires someone capable of a) surviving the UN and b) taking down Galactus. Off the top of my head these are the only two beings capable of the task.

You have lesser beings like Deathurge, that can probably survive the UN, but they have no way of taking down Galactus.

Squirrel girl defeats galactus.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Then that makes Reed helpless against Galactus in a forum fight...right?


My point was that certain characters aren't divorceable from their PIS.

Amadeus Cho, his intelligence is on par with Reed Richards but lacks the super powers and has an uncanny ability to turn peoples technology against them. He'd figure out a way to use perfectly placed paper clip to short out the nullifier. All he needs is an endless supply of junk food to power that brain of his.

Originally posted by zopzop
Also in Marvel - The End, she was one of the last beings standing after Thanos had absorbed everything including the Living Tribunal. That's because she was outside of the reality Thanos absorbed -- as clearly stated on panel.

Also, during the Earth/Paradise X series, didn't Thanos use the UN to nullify her? I know it's an alternate, but still...

shadowcat

Originally posted by Galan007
That's because she was outside of the reality Thanos absorbed -- as clearly stated on panel.

I know. I was thinking maybe her being outside the influence of what passes for reality would save her from the UN.



Did he?! Do you have an exact issue number? I'm dying to check it out.

Originally posted by zopzop
I know. I was thinking maybe her being outside the influence of what passes for reality would save her from the UN.



Did he?! Do you have an exact issue number? I'm dying to check it out. No. My understanding was he just absorbed the immediate universe. Deaths realm wasn't absorbed nor was Warlock,Gamora, or Atleza(spelled wrong). Like I doubt mephisto would have been absorbed.

Originally posted by Galan007
Also, during the Earth/Paradise X series, didn't Thanos use the UN to nullify her? I know it's an alternate, but still...

I don't have the Universe/Paradise/Earth X stuff but I do have the Alternate Universe Handbook and according to it :



Seems like they are backpedaling on that whole Universe X garbage and I read that they abruptly ended the series to. Interestingly no such warning was given for the Mutant X universe.

Originally posted by zopzop
It would have to be Oblivion and MAYBE, I emphasize MAYBE, Death.

Reasons for Oblivion :

He's more powerful than Galactus and the UN would ultimately do nothing to him since nullified beings are sent to him.

Reason for Death :

She's more powerful than Galactus and in one reality, where the UN was used by someone with Cosmic Awareness, everyone and everything was wiped out, EXCEPT Death who was seen laughing at the end.

Also in Marvel - The End, she was one of the last beings standing after Thanos had absorbed everything including the Living Tribunal.

Your challenge, LordofMurder, requires someone capable of a) surviving the UN and b) taking down Galactus. Off the top of my head these are the only two beings capable of the task.

You have lesser beings like Deathurge, that can probably survive the UN, but they have no way of taking down Galactus.

Excellent, well thought out, response!

Oblivion was my personal pick for the weakest being who could defeat a UN weilding Galactus as well btw...

I honestly think Death gets annihilated by it though; even though it was a "What If" I am pretty sure everything got erased by the Ultimate Nullifier (when Korvac was using it) except for the Living Tribunal (who fled prior to it being fired) and Oblivion...

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wow is all i have to say to this thread

This isn't a vs fight

Originally posted by Omega Vision
But Reed (and all comic book super scientists) are all about PIS. That's like saying "No PIS" in a Karate Kid fight, it strips away the character's fundamental nature. There's a difference between a plot device and plot induced stupidity though.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I honestly think Death gets annihilated by it though; even though it was a "What If" I am pretty sure everything got erased by the Ultimate Nullifier (when Korvac was using it) except for the Living Tribunal (who fled prior to it being fired) and Oblivion...

The funny thing is, this universe, the Korvac annihilated one, was referenced by 616 Eternity or something as he was mourning for his lost brother (aka the destroyed Eternity in that reality).

At the very end of the original Korvac What If, Death is seen laughing it's ass off as the universe gets nullified. The narrator even mentions that it was Death that planned the whole thing all along, that it was Death that was Korvac's secret master.

And Korvac had Cosmic Awareness at the time so when he fired that sucker off he knew what he was doing, he wanted everything destroyed. Yet Death still survived.

I'm thinking she survives it but I could be wrong. I think the whole UN plot device thing is getting old though.

Worth noting that Quasar was gonna use it to kill Magus with an incomplete IG (missing the Reality Gem I believe), but he turned the beam back on Quasar. Things to note : Quasar was a UN virgin and had NO cosmic awareness (or other form of omniscience). The UN requires you to fully understand the thing you want erased.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
There's a difference between a plot device and plot induced stupidity though.
Not much of one, IMO.

Yo.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
Amadeus Cho, his intelligence is on par with Reed Richards but lacks the super powers and has an uncanny ability to turn peoples technology against them. He'd figure out a way to use perfectly placed paper clip to short out the nullifier. All he needs is an endless supply of junk food to power that brain of his.

say WHA??????

I dont think I can agree w/that comrade........




Tazer

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Not much of one, IMO. I think so. Batman having whatever in his belt is different from Flash forgetting he can run fast.

Originally posted by zopzop
Did he?! Do you have an exact issue number? I'm dying to check it out. From Universe X #X:

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/th_UniverseXX-37.jpg http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/th_UniverseXX-38.jpg

Wow thanos looks gay in orange and purple...

Originally posted by Galan007
From Universe X #X:

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/th_UniverseXX-37.jpg http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/th_UniverseXX-38.jpg

Thank you for that scan. Galan did you read my post about Universe/Earth/Paradise X?

Originally posted by zopzop
Thank you for that scan. Galan did you read my post about Universe/Earth/Paradise X? I just did.

The only part of the saga that is suspect, are the parts regarding the nature of the multiverse that were revealed throughout the story (specifically, the parts that referenced Mephisto's creation of alternate realities, I'd wager.) Regardless, that doesn't change Thanos' feat with the UN, nor does it change the fact that Earth X itself is a canon Marvel universe.

Originally posted by Galan007
I just did.

The only part of the saga that is suspect, are the parts regarding the nature of the multiverse that were revealed throughout the story (specifically, the parts that referenced Mephisto's creation of alternate realities, I'd wager.) Regardless, that doesn't change Thanos' feat with the UN, nor does it change the fact that Earth X itself is a canon Marvel universe.

This is true but the entire series was canceled abruptly and the fact that it has to have the disclaimer in the Alternate Universes Handbook makes the entire thing suspect to me.

It received a retcon mid story if I recall correctly too. It went from being the Marvel Universe 30 years into the future to an alternate universe (with suspect information).

This has never been retconned and I think was referenced by 616 Eternity (he was mourning for his lost brother) :
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/9800/page34b.th.jpg

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/327/page38o.th.jpg

The last panel is key. Korvac with ultimate awareness of life/death unleashes the power of the nullifier and Death laughed it's ass off.

Contrast this to Thanos with NO cosmic awareness just pointing and shooting Death point blank in the face.

Originally posted by zopzop
This is true but the entire series was canceled abruptly and the fact that it has to have the disclaimer in the Alternate Universes Handbook makes the entire thing suspect to me.

It received a retcon mid story if I recall correctly too. It went from being the Marvel Universe 30 years into the future to an alternate universe (with suspect information). Per the bio, the ONLY parts of the story that are suspect are the parts where Kyle/X-51 speak on the true nature of the multiverse. There's absolutely no reason to doubt anything else that transpired.

Originally posted by zopzop
This has never been retconned and I think was referenced by 616 Eternity (he was mourning for his lost brother) :

The last panel is key. Korvac with ultimate awareness of life/death unleashes the power of the nullifier and Death laughed it's ass off.

Contrast this to Thanos with NO cosmic awareness just pointing and shooting Death point blank in the face. Korvac's intention there was just to nullify the universe/Eternity, no? Not surprising that Death survived an attack that wasn't even meant for her. Essentially the same thing happened in The End -- ie. Thanos destroyed the universe, and Death survived because she was not in the universe at the time. /shrug

On another note, the Watcher's comment in the last scan is truly lulz-worthy. "The number of the alternate universes in the multiverse shall ever be one less than infinite" -- what idiot writer decided that statement made sense..?

Stupid Marvel. srsly

Originally posted by Galan007
Per the bio, the ONLY parts of the story that are suspect are the parts where Kyle/X-51 speak on the true nature of the multiverse. There's absolutely no reason to doubt anything else that transpired.

But it's also true that the series was ended abruptly and it received a retcon before the ink was dry. That plus the note in the Handbook makes the entire reality suspect.



Check the narration, he beheld creation in it's entirety "from the completeness of life to the simplicity of death". So when he unleashed that sucker it was meant to end everything.



Oh the entire issue was idiotic, the LT fleeing from Korvac, Korvac panicking from an alien armada after he just got through owning a few cosmics, etc... But the Universe/Earth/Paradise X crap was even worse Mutant X was actually decent and was referenced later in Exiles too.

Originally posted by zopzop
But it's also true that the series was ended abruptly and it received a retcon before the ink was dry. That plus the note in the Handbook makes the entire reality suspect. Thanos' mini was canceled abruptly. So what?

I didn't comment on the rest because frankly, I don't care.

reed richards is a perfect answer.