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Wolverine's bone claws or Sabretooth's organic claws?

Which are tougher/sharper on average? What are their best feats? And lowest showings?

Discuss.

Shouldn't you be one of the guys answering that question?

They are about as equal if you ask me. Both have feats of cutting through metals etc...both have even cut through wendigo.

one of the best feat for Logan's bone claw is slicing a sheet of high grade space metal steel like butter.. Kitty Kat used her Talisman knife Rogue was surprised that it was easily able to do that to the steel girdle.

Originally posted by carver9
They are about as equal if you ask me. Both have feats of cutting through metals etc...both have even cut through wendigo. Just going by logic shouldn't Sabes claws > Wolverine's? Cause accourding to you guys Sabes is more or less a Wolverine+.

Sabe should that doesnt mean he has the better showing for them.

I honestly believ sabes bones is more durable.

Wolverine got ranned over by a car and all of his bones were crushed (this was during the time professor was running test on him after losing his adamantium) whereas sabes has been in similar situations, hell, far worse situations and he was ok.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Shouldn't you be one of the guys answering that question?



Actually yes, but you see, it's not easy to answer that and I want to see what others think.

Originally posted by King Castle
one of the best feat for Logan's bone claw is slicing a sheet of high grade space metal steel like butter.. Kitty Kat used her Talisman knife Rogue was surprised that it was easily able to do that to the steel girdle.

What issue?

Originally posted by carver9
I honestly believ sabes bones is more durable.

Wolverine got ranned over by a car and all of his bones were crushed (this was during the time professor was running test on him after losing his adamantium) whereas sabes has been in similar situations, hell, far worse situations and he was ok.

Unless we're using non-canon X-Men Forever as evidence, I don't think Sabes' claws are made of bone. They are made of super durable keratin, I'd say.

well the most version of Sabe should be superior but he wasn't always...

one of the best bone clawed feat fr sabe was digging his claws into the Shiva Robot and ripping it's head.

Sabe managed to scratch it's surface with his claws and the metal was near adamantium resistant which forced wolverine to shove his claws head on to get clean clear cuts while enraged.

Is there a character that one of them was able to cut and the other couldn't?

1. the story was an uncanny X men when the new Thunderbird(Neal Shaara) joined the X men and faced the Neo.

not sure if Sabe used his claws on Ms. Marvel in their 1st fight but if he did he failed to put her down but that was old school sabe.

Wolverine has been able to gut check Ms. Marvel with his bone claws and put her down when he faced the MU heroes while mind controlled.

Originally posted by King Castle
1. the story was an uncanny X men when the new Thunderbird(Neal Shaara) joined the X men and faced the Neo.

not sure if Sabe used his claws on Ms. Marvel in their 1st fight but if he did he failed to put her down but that was old school sabe.

Wolverine has been able to gut check Ms. Marvel with his bone claws and put her down when he faced the MU heroes while mind controlled.

Thanks.

Good example. Post-DH Creed couldn't hurt Rogue.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Is there a character that one of them was able to cut and the other couldn't?

Yes, Omega red.

Sabertooth claws did better against omega red than logans adamantium claws.

Originally posted by carver9
Yes, Omega red.

Sabertooth claws did better against omega red than logans adamantium claws.

Didn't Creed have adamantium claws then, too?

It's not a valid example in my opinion, damage was shown poorly if at all, IIRC. And the blunt force was involved, wasn't it?

In Origins Logan stabbed Red's shoulder and his claws were sticking outwards.

By the way, I'm not arguing who did better against Rossovich. Sabes was clearly portrayed as more of a threat than Logan.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Didn't Creed have adamantium claws then, too?

It's not a valid example in my opinion, damage was shown poorly if at all, IIRC. And the blunt force was involved, wasn't it?

In Origins Logan stabbed Red's shoulder and his claws were sticking outwards.

Naah, he didn't have adamantium. We are talking about two different instances. You are talking about the fight when sabes tossed omega red out of the window with a claw swipe. I am referring to their fight when omega red was sent to subdue sabertooth and sabes fought him off with claws swipes and damaged him pretty badly.

Originally posted by carver9
Naah, he didn't have adamantium. We are talking about two different instances. You are talking about the fight when sabes tossed omega red out of the window with a claw swipe. I am referring to their fight when omega red was sent to subdue sabertooth and sabes fought him off with claws swipes and damaged him pretty badly.

You're talking about this?

Originally posted by jinzin
SABRETOOTH VS. OMEGA RED:
OVERALL PERFORMANCE: In spite of Red using his pheromones and blindsiding Creed, Creed is able to re-establish his footing and the two start kicking each others heads in all over the church. Creed is able to assert his dominance at the end when Omega Red makes a run for it.
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We see Creed drawing blood only once.

creed's claws are stronger because they are shorter

Originally posted by Starscream M
creed's claws are stronger because they are shorter facepalm

Originally posted by Parmaniac
facepalm its true though.

Originally posted by Starscream M
its true though. If you have the exact same material then the shorter will be harder to break, yes, do you have proof taht their bone density or even the material is the same?

Originally posted by Parmaniac
If you have the exact same material then the shorter will be harder to break, yes, do you have proof taht their bone density or even the material is the same? ok, I see your point. I assumed they were the same/or very similar.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You're talking about this?



We see Creed drawing blood only once.

Yeah, that's the fight and creed claws did enough damage to make me believe that his claws are superior to logans... especially when we have showings of logans bone claws outright shattering against Cybers body... I can't see that happening to creed.

There were other instances where logan claws broke against hard substances. This has never happened throughout creeds career.

Originally posted by carver9
Yeah, that's the fight and creed claws did enough damage to make me believe that his claws are superior to logans... especially when we have showings of logans bone claws outright shattering against Cybers body... I can't see that happening to creed.

Wolverine drew more blood with his swipes and we don't even know where Creed cut him.

They didn't shatter, Cyber stomped on them.

Originally posted by carver9
There were other instances where logan claws broke against hard substances. This has never happened throughout creeds career.

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9742/goodpoint.jpg

again, I want to say that logan's claws broke because his were longer than creeds

Originally posted by Starscream M
again, I want to say that logan's claws broke because his were longer than creeds Just admit it all you wanna do is let us know that your penis is the hardest in the world.

lol

Originally posted by Starscream M
again, I want to say that logan's claws broke because his were longer than creeds

Creed's ones would be broken as well, if Cyber stomped on his hand

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Just admit it all you wanna do is let us know that your penis is the hardest in the world.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Creed's ones would be broken as well, if Cyber stomped on his hand

prove it!

Originally posted by Starscream M
prove it!

Cyber had Strong Guy on the ropes (slugfest). He threw a piece of paper hard enough to break the window. Crashed a jeep with a casual punch while not even looking at it. His skin is made of adamantium.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Cyber had Strong Guy on the ropes (slugfest). He threw a piece of paper hard enough to break the window. Crashed a jeep with a casual punch while not even looking at it. His skin is made of adamantium. the paper feats sounds kinda stupid...as in complete violation of any semblance of physics (even by comics standards)

Is his foot covered by adamantium...I don't think it is.

I think if he steps on creed's claws, it will puncture his feet.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
His skin is made of adamantium.
Originally posted by Starscream M
prove it!

Originally posted by Starscream M
the paper feats sounds kinda stupid...as in complete violation of any semblance of physics (even by comics standards)

Is his foot covered by adamantium...I don't think it is.

I think if he steps on creed's claws, it will puncture his feet.

Yeah, that was a Bullseye-esque feat. To be fair, he spit on it first.

If it weren't, he would get badly injured by Logan's claws...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yeah, that was a Bullseye-esque feat. To be fair, he spit on it first.
that makes it A-OK!

Originally posted by jinzin
actually cyber's skin isn't made of adamantium

Originally posted by carver9
I honestly believ sabes bones is more durable.

Wolverine got ranned over by a car and all of his bones were crushed (this was during the time professor was running test on him after losing his adamantium) whereas sabes has been in similar situations, hell, far worse situations and he was ok. I think that its not an issue of durability as it could just be HF healing b4 its an issue as wolverine has done the same where utterly crippling events were healed in seconds. But as to durability I think that Logans claws will break against creeds due to the fact that they are longer. It's like trying to break progressively smaller sticks. You take a foot long wooden rod and try to break it and its pretty easy on an inch diameter. Take that same stick down to a half an inch and a half and it becomes much harder.

Originally posted by Starscream M
actually cyber's skin isn't made of adamantium lol I know right?!

Originally posted by Starscream M
that makes it A-OK!

To quote Cyber, that was some serious spit biscuits

Originally posted by Uriel005
I think that its not an issue of durability as it could just be HF healing b4 its an issue as wolverine has done the same where utterly crippling events were healed in seconds. But as to durability I think that Logans claws will break against creeds due to the fact that they are longer. It's like trying to break progressively smaller sticks. You take a foot long wooden rod and try to break it and its pretty easy on an inch diameter. Take that same stick down to a half an inch and a half and it becomes much harder.

Sabretooth's skeleton is much more durable than Logan's.

Originally posted by Starscream M
actually cyber's skin isn't made of adamantium

If you want to get technical, his skin was bonded with a layer of adamantium. His mouth is the only known exception.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

Sabretooth's skeleton is much more durable than Logan's.
based on what....don't discount his greater muscularity helping as well

Originally posted by Starscream M
actually cyber's skin isn't made of adamantium what was it bonded with than?

Originally posted by King Castle
what was it bonded with than? admantium...I was being technical in that its still a mixture of skin and adamntium as opposed to pure adamantium

Originally posted by Starscream M
admantium...I was being technical in that its still a mixture of skin and adamntium as opposed to pure adamantium it's claimed to be indestructible so what does that matter?

Originally posted by Starscream M
based on what....don't discount his greater muscularity helping as well

Based on his feats, his upgrades, statements...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Based on his feats, his upgrades, statements... but any feat can also be accounted for by his greater musculature density as well...

Originally posted by Starscream M
but any feat can also be accounted for by his greater musculature density as well...

Cyclops shot him in the head with an optic blast that had velocity of a bullet and Creed's skull was fine.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Cyclops shot him in the head with an optic blast that had velocity of a bullet and Creed's skull was fine. and you think logan's skull wouldn't have been? I would think Logan's skull would withstand that as well...

during the elektra retraining story wolvie managed to block her sword swipes with his claws without them being cut off... in various old retelling or origin story involving Sabe he had his hand severed by Logan and his samurai sword.

Originally posted by Starscream M
and you think logan's skull wouldn't have been? I would think Logan's skull would withstand that as well...

Nah, bullets penetrated Logan's skull.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Nah, bullets penetrated Logan's skull. cyke's blast is not a bullet. just because its the same velocity doesn't make it the same.

goddamn, it scream..

the bullet and narration was meant to equate the blast to a bullet as it was cyke's intent. it had the same density and speed in order to penetrate Sabe's skull.facepalm2

narration trumps your opinion.

Originally posted by Starscream M
cyke's blast is not a bullet. just because its the same velocity doesn't make it the same.

It was a narrow, focused beam that was stated by the impartial narrative to hit Creed's skull with the impact of a bullet.

stop entertaining him...

Originally posted by King Castle
during the elektra retraining story wolvie managed to block her sword swipes with his claws without them being cut off... in various old retelling or origin story involving Sabe he had his hand severed by Logan and his samurai sword.

Loeb. To be fair, that happened before Tooth's first upgrade and we know for sure his durability got a boost at least two times.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Loeb. To be fair, that happened before Tooth's first upgrade and we know for sure his durability got a boost at least two times. which is why i was being explicitly clear of the time and reference.

many are aware of Sabreooth turbulent past and various upgrades to his character

Originally posted by King Castle
stop entertaining him...

Haha, I'm actually having fun every time I respond to his posts

Excluding the omega level fail posts, of course.

Originally posted by King Castle
goddamn, it scream..

the bullet and narration was meant to equate the blast to a bullet as it was cyke's intent. it had the same density and speed in order to penetrate Sabe's skull.facepalm2

narration trumps your opinion.

Hyperbole.

Originally posted by King Castle
which is why i was being explicitly clear of the time and reference.

many are aware of Sabreooth turbulent past and various upgrades to his character

I know you were aware, but I didn't want your examples to be misused by someone else