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Let us pretend that Jamie Maddrox a.k.a Multiple Man were to acquire the Gem of Cytorak and everything that comes with it: limitless stamina, psi-resistant armor, unstoppable momentum, impenetrable defensive shielding, etc. etc. Who, if anyone would be able to beat him?

No one. I dare someone to prove me wrong.

lol...........thor could

Originally posted by Sin I AM
lol...........thor could No.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
No one. I dare someone to prove me wrong.
I would be curious to see that myself.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
No.

yes..........and he wouldnt even have to throw a punch

Galactus should be able to.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
yes..........and he wouldnt even have to throw a punch BFR? Thats always an option.

But you would have the equivalent of over 10,000 juggernauts.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
BFR? Thats always an option.

But you would have the equivalent of over 10,000 juggernauts.

naw he could just sever his connection, while airborne, its not like jamie can fly..thor wouldnt even have to resort to fisticuffs

Originally posted by Sin I AM
naw he could just sever his connection, while airborne, its not like jamie can fly..thor wouldnt even have to resort to fisticuffs sever his connection to cytorrak? I don't see that happening on a regular day.

Originally posted by 753
sever his connection to cytorrak? I don't see that happening on a regular day.

MM with the gem isnt exactly a regular day now is it

Originally posted by Sin I AM
MM with the gem isnt exactly a regular day now is it which is irrelavant because it doesnt make thor any different.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
naw he could just sever his connection, while airborne, its not like jamie can fly..thor wouldnt even have to resort to fisticuffs He pulled that one time trick once....Thats all, in their next encounter Juggernaut was trashing him around...

Originally posted by Black bolt z
No one. I dare someone to prove me wrong.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
naw he could just sever his connection, while airborne, its not like jamie can fly..thor wouldnt even have to resort to fisticuffs So you have one Madrox with a severered connection. The other couple thousand would still be as strong.

Would take someone with squirrel agility.

shit shit shit shit

Originally posted by Black bolt z
No one. I dare someone to prove me wrong.

It would take an upper tier abstraction at least!

Man this is a good story idea for a What If

Dr. Doom

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discuss

Originally posted by inimalist
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discuss I believe they glistened from deep within.

idk, are cosmic cubes powerful enough to take on the power of the gem?

because if so, man-thing with a cosmic cube could do it

Originally posted by 753
I believe they glistened from deep within.

lol, its probably my favorite moment in all comicdom. I think the writer does it really well, the whole play on total non-consciousness and absolute power /shrug

Im fairly certain the cubes could erase the gem along with cytorrak from reality. Whether man-thing would be able to use it properly is a different matter. Personally, I've always thought he is aware and intelligent in ways people just cant comprehend.

Originally posted by 753
Im fairly certain the cubes could erase the gem along with cytorrak from reality. Whether man-thing would be able to use it properly is a different matter. Personally, I've always thought he is aware and intelligent in ways people just cant comprehend.

its a strange type of intelligence

I doubt he'd be able to utilize it as in, have a desire to erase cytorrak, but if he were fighting Maddrox, I think he could use it to make him able to harm Jamie. And I totally think Multiple man would be afraid of him

Originally posted by 753
Im fairly certain the cubes could erase the gem along with cytorrak from reality. Whether man-thing would be able to use it properly is a different matter. Personally, I've always thought he is aware and intelligent in ways people just cant comprehend. I doubt it could erase the gems. But yeah it could erase cyrotakk.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
So you have one Madrox with a severered connection. The other couple thousand would still be as strong.


Until I see Cytorrak divying up his powers a thousand ways to a bunch of avatars then one is all thats needed

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Until I see Cytorrak divying up his powers a thousand ways to a bunch of avatars then one is all thats needed One madrox has the gem. Whenever Madrox multiplies he had the properties of the person who duplicated him.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
One madrox has the gem. Whenever Madrox multiplies he had the properties of the person who duplicated him.
His power is the ability to create perfect duplicates, or "dupes", of himself, and all items on his person (clothing, weaponry, et cetera) through impact when he absorbs kinetic energy (although this sometimes has happened at will) through an unknown process. Most of the time, this is caused by him snapping his fingers, stomping his foot, being struck, or collisions. Each of the duplicates has exactly the same power as Jamie himself, and has independent thought, though Madrox "Prime" is usually telepathically and empathically linked to the dupes. His powers have, at least once, been shown to affect the actual design of the shirt he was wearing. I think that the only way to win a battle like this would be it someone had the ability to alter reality either with a cosmic cube or another such device. However this is a melee fight so strategy is pretty much out the window. A high level magic user like Dr. Strange might have some success in a comic book battle but again not in a melee. I honestly cant think of anyone in any universe that could survive a melee against potentially thousands of Juggernauts. Doomsday may not be able to be killed in a physical battle after Superman killed him, but he would never be able beat "Multiple-Naut".

yes, he'd be and even bigger pest than cloning lobo

The ruby gives you the power of one Juggernaut. Theoretically, each time he splits he'd divide his Juggernaut power up, like when Juggernaut gave some of his power to Tom Cassidy.

Then it comes down to balancing the amount of multiplying vs the power of the one character.

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
The ruby gives you the power of one Juggernaut. Theoretically, each time he splits he'd divide his Juggernaut power up, like when Juggernaut gave some of his power to Tom Cassidy.

Then it comes down to balancing the amount of multiplying vs the power of the one character. one ruby gives ou the power of one juggernaut. the op works on the assumption he can duplicate the ruby like he does his clothes, guns, etc.

Multiple rubies dividing up the set amount of power isn't any more appealing.

OP should outright say they are full powered Juggernauts to prevent people trying to cheat his rules.

Diablo with prep.

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
Multiple rubies dividing up the set amount of power isn't any more appealing.

OP should outright say they are full powered Juggernauts to prevent people trying to cheat his rules. why would the amount of power be set as that of one ruby if there are more gems? regardless, cytorrak is supposed to funnel infinite ammounts of energy through the ruby.

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
The ruby gives you the power of one Juggernaut. Theoretically, each time he splits he'd divide his Juggernaut power up, like when Juggernaut gave some of his power to Tom Cassidy.

Then it comes down to balancing the amount of multiplying vs the power of the one character.


this is my point exactly^


Originally posted by Brockalizer
Let us pretend that Jamie Maddrox a.k.a Multiple Man were to acquire the Gem of Cytorak and everything that comes with it: limitless stamina, psi-resistant armor, unstoppable momentum, impenetrable defensive shielding, etc. etc. Who, if anyone would be able to beat him?

op stated nothing about the subsequent dupes, stating simply that jamie had the gem


Originally posted by 753
one ruby gives ou the power of one juggernaut. the op works on the assumption he can duplicate the ruby like he does his clothes, guns, etc.


which to my knowledge is not within his powerset were that the case he could duplicate infinity gems, mjolnir, etc...do you have proof of him duplicating objects of such power?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
this is my point exactly^




op stated nothing about the subsequent dupes, stating simply that jamie had the gem





which to my knowledge is not within his powerset were that the case he could duplicate infinity gems, mjolnir, etc...do you have proof of him duplicating objects of such power? No, but the op's intentions are clear enough to me. It would make no sense if the invulnerabilty spell didn't take on each of the duplicates. And again, cytorrak fuels him infinite energy when the two are getting along or cain isn't unconsciously restricting his power intake, so it shouldn't matter.

the op is vague neither suggesting nor denying your claim, but taking it at face value, imo it would seem that Jamie would have to power share similar to the wrecking crew........cytorrak is powerful and all but to feul that many dupes to classic juggernaut levels seems a bit extreme, and seeing as only the MM Prime is holding the gem and madrox cannot create another gem of equal power then i see no reason y the spell should transfer

Jonn for the easy win.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Jonn for the easy win.


There is that messy helmet which is created by the gem though.


Diablo with prep wins it though.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
His power is the ability to create perfect duplicates, or "dupes", of himself, and all items on his person (clothing, weaponry, et cetera) through impact when he absorbs kinetic energy (although this sometimes has happened at will) through an unknown process. Most of the time, this is caused by him snapping his fingers, stomping his foot, being struck, or collisions. Each of the duplicates has exactly the same power as Jamie himself, and has independent thought, though Madrox "Prime" is usually telepathically and empathically linked to the dupes. His powers have, at least once, been shown to affect the actual design of the shirt he was wearing. I think that the only way to win a battle like this would be it someone had the ability to alter reality either with a cosmic cube or another such device. However this is a melee fight so strategy is pretty much out the window. A high level magic user like Dr. Strange might have some success in a comic book battle but again not in a melee. I honestly cant think of anyone in any universe that could survive a melee against potentially thousands of Juggernauts. Doomsday may not be able to be killed in a physical battle after Superman killed him, but he would never be able beat "Multiple-Naut". Exactly.Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
The ruby gives you the power of one Juggernaut. Theoretically, each time he splits he'd divide his Juggernaut power up, like when Juggernaut gave some of his power to Tom Cassidy.

Then it comes down to balancing the amount of multiplying vs the power of the one character. Except whenever he multiplies he has the exact same power as the original.

I know its an alternate universe but when Madrox was possessed by Wendigo when he multipled wendigos power didn't split up.

You'd have to fight potentially thousands of juggernauts here. And considering some people think even abstracts would have trouble hurting him I really don't see any non abstract being this powerhouse.

Originally posted by SamZED
Would take someone with squirrel agility. QmyselFT

It would probably take someone with squirrel agility.

Surprised no one thought of this.

uhuh

Originally posted by 753
why would the amount of power be set as that of one ruby if there are more gems? regardless, cytorrak is supposed to funnel infinite ammounts of energy through the ruby.
Originally posted by 753
No, but the op's intentions are clear enough to me. It would make no sense if the invulnerabilty spell didn't take on each of the duplicates. And again, cytorrak fuels him infinite energy when the two are getting along or cain isn't unconsciously restricting his power intake, so it shouldn't matter.

To be perfectly honest, there's a very real possibility that the system has changed since Juggernaut was repowered, but originally the gem was described almost like a battery. It wasn't like a hose leading from Cyttorak's tank to Juggernaut's tank, what he had is what he had. That's why sharing with Tom Cassidy cost him a lower level cap.

The sense of it would be if you were clever and knew your comics you could bring up interesting angles to how these battles could take place and discuss the possibilities instead of just ramming them together like toy trucks and arguing who has the best stats.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Except whenever he multiplies he has the exact same power as the original.

I know its an alternate universe but when Madrox was possessed by Wendigo when he multipled wendigos power didn't split up.

You'd have to fight potentially thousands of juggernauts here. And considering some people think even abstracts would have trouble hurting him I really don't see any non abstract being this powerhouse.
What is the nature of Wendigos possession? Is it an outside power source? I'm admittedly in the dark here, but the wiki describes it as more of a werewolf type scenario.

Originally posted by SamZED
uhuh

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
To be perfectly honest, there's a very real possibility that the system has changed since Juggernaut was repowered, but originally the gem was described almost like a battery. It wasn't like a hose leading from Cyttorak's tank to Juggernaut's tank, what he had is what he had. That's why sharing with Tom Cassidy cost him a lower level cap.

The sense of it would be if you were clever and knew your comics you could bring up interesting angles to how these battles could take place and discuss the possibilities instead of just ramming them together like toy trucks and arguing who has the best stats.

going by the most recent descriptions I've read.

I t wouldnt be har at all to find characters that can take out one juggernaut's worth of power divided among several beings. I believe the OP proposed a more challenging question. ways to get arround the power of an army of self-replicating juggernauts can be found, they just demand you be more clever and know more comics.

If you guys remember, when Jugs shared his power with his buddy Black Tom, the power of the gem split into two with both of them sharing equal halves.

I see this happening with MM as well.

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
What is the nature of Wendigos possession? Is it an outside power source? I'm admittedly in the dark here, but the wiki describes it as more of a werewolf type scenario. Sort of. He doesn't cause other people to be Wendigos but IIRC its a curse that possesses mortals. And whoever kills the wendigo becomes the new wendigo.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
If you guys remember, when Jugs shared his power with his buddy Black Tom, the power of the gem split into two with both of them sharing equal halves.

I see this happening with MM as well.


exactly, there is no infinite well of power that he can draw from, if hes struck the power should continue to divide until it is no longer beneficial for him to replicate

Originally posted by Sin I AM
exactly, there is no infinite well of power that he can draw from, if hes struck the power should continue to divide until it is no longer beneficial for him to replicate Except jamies dupes have the exact same power as the original. It wouldn't split the powers up. It would be potentiall thousands of juggernauts.

^Since when has Madrox ever been that powerful? I've never seen him replicate an item like Cytorrak's Gem along with the power contained within.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
^Since when has Madrox ever been that powerful? I've never seen him replicate an item like Cytorrak's Gem along with the power contained within. I haven't seen an instance where Madrox did NOT replicate with the exact same powerset and items/cloths that he started with.

And both cain and Jamie are mutants so there is no reason he couldn't actually use the gem.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Except jamies dupes have the exact same power as the original. It wouldn't split the powers up. It would be potentiall thousands of juggernauts.

dude i understand that, HOWEVER Jamie is not capable of duplicating artifacts...how the hell is cytorrak going to power a thousand...or hell even ten CLASSIC juggs without his power waning?...your assuming he can when he's never been displayed to do so

Originally posted by Sin I AM
dude i understand that, HOWEVER Jamie is not capable of duplicating artifacts...how the hell is cytorrak going to power a thousand...or hell even ten CLASSIC juggs without his power waning?...your assuming he can when he's never been displayed to do so The Gem is only powering the original. But each of the dupes has the power of the original.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
No one. I dare someone to prove me wrong.

The one above all.

Concession..... Accepted!!

Originally posted by Black bolt z
The Gem is only powering the original. But each of the dupes has the power of the original.

Actually it's been shown before that if the power of cyttorak is divided among multiple people it severely diminishes the power... Ie Cain a black tom

Originally posted by rotiart
Actually it's been shown before that if the power of cyttorak is divided among multiple people it severely diminishes the power... Ie Cain a black tom Scans/Issue #?

I wasn't aware of this.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
I haven't seen an instance where Madrox did NOT replicate with the exact same powerset and items/cloths that he started with.

And both cain and Jamie are mutants so there is no reason he couldn't actually use the gem.

facepalm

GTFO with that no limit fallacy. It doesn't work that way.

facepalmx2

Originally posted by Black bolt z
And both cain and Jamie are mutants so there is no reason he couldn't actually use the gem.



lol at Cain being a mutie?...........




oh yea and ummmmmmmmmmm


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.............where the f** is KingCastle lol, i owe that douche a spankin

Originally posted by Sin I AM
lol at Cain being a mutie?...........




oh yea and ummmmmmmmmmm


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.............where the f** is KingCastle lol, i owe that douche a spankin ... I have no idea why i typed that...Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
facepalm

GTFO with that no limit fallacy. It doesn't work that way.

facepalmx2 What no limit fallacy? Theres no reason Jamie can't use the power of the gem. And all of jamies dupes have the same power as the original.

its not a no limits fallacy although I see how it could be seen as one. Its on panel fact.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
What no limit fallacy? Theres no reason Jamie can't use the power of the gem. And all of jamies dupes have the same power as the original.

its not a no limits fallacy although I see how it could be seen as one. Its on panel fact.

What "no limit fallacy"? Did you forget what you typed just a mere post ago?

You've never seen Madrox ever duplicate anything as powerful as the Gem and yet you assume he can simply because he can duplicate mundane shit like clothes and firearms without any problem.

Okay, then post the panel in which he duplicates something as powerful as the gem.

Originally posted by rotiart
I'm so glad you remember this issue number cause I sure didnt. I was just gonna describe the issue and wait til someone came in that remember where it was. :-P


no problem sugah , yet u will still have people arguing MM will be able to create thousands of multi-nauts . Id pick someone like Thing, and when Jamies power divides drains his strength down to spiderman level, id curbstomp em...in actuality those two powersets conflict if you think about it

Don't diss spiderman.. He can summon the spiders!!!

Oh and he beat up firelord...
I seem to remember him using that in a fight reference before too.

But I'd be more afraid of a gamma irradiated Jamie... Healing factor.. You hit him and he splits again? Omg

We should all petition Marvel to do a "What if?"

Originally posted by Brockalizer
We should all petition Marvel to do a "What if?"

Too late. Marvel does what if's all the time. Lol.
Be more specific.

Originally posted by rotiart
Too late. Marvel does what if's all the time. Lol.
Be more specific.
I meant that this thread would make a great "what if".

Originally posted by 753
going by the most recent descriptions I've read.

I t wouldnt be har at all to find characters that can take out one juggernaut's worth of power divided among several beings. I believe the OP proposed a more challenging question. ways to get arround the power of an army of self-replicating juggernauts can be found, they just demand you be more clever and know more comics.
Not really. If you can beat one Juggernaut you just need a little extra umph to beat them all.

Manhunter would probably be the easiest choice. Unless this is a 100% pure melee thing.

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
Not really. If you can beat one Juggernaut you just need a little extra umph to beat them all.

Manhunter would probably be the easiest choice. Unless this is a 100% pure melee thing.

Psi-resistant helmet. :P

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
Not really. If you can beat one Juggernaut you just need a little extra umph to beat them all.

Manhunter would probably be the easiest choice. Unless this is a 100% pure melee thing. this is nonsense. and no, it wouldnt just take a telepath to do it.

CIS-free Surfer prolly could. ;P

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
CIS-free Surfer prolly could. ;P by turning the atmosphere into adamantium or teleporting the battlefield into a star sure.

When Black Tom shared the power of the Juggernaut through the gem, he gained half the power and Juggie lost half. The more multipleman duplicates that exist the more spread out the power would be.


With 10,000 duplicates many heroes (once they can fight on that scale) could take them out

oh, just saw this mentioned higher up in the thread

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What "no limit fallacy"? Did you forget what you typed just a mere post ago?

You've never seen Madrox ever duplicate anything as powerful as the Gem and yet you assume he can simply because he can duplicate mundane shit like clothes and firearms without any problem.

Okay, then post the panel in which he duplicates something as powerful as the gem. As I see it theres no reason he can't. Hes never failed to do so. And I see your reasoning for him not being able to even though there is no proof to support it.

facepalm

I don't have to prove that he can't, you have to prove that he can. Or concede.

Seeing as how you can't, concession accepted.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
His power is the ability to create perfect duplicates, or "dupes", of himself, and all items on his person (clothing, weaponry, et cetera) through impact when he absorbs kinetic energy (although this sometimes has happened at will) through an unknown process. Most of the time, this is caused by him snapping his fingers, stomping his foot, being struck, or collisions. Each of the duplicates has exactly the same power as Jamie himself, and has independent thought, though Madrox "Prime" is usually telepathically and empathically linked to the dupes. His powers have, at least once, been shown to affect the actual design of the shirt he was wearing. I think that the only way to win a battle like this would be it someone had the ability to alter reality either with a cosmic cube or another such device. However this is a melee fight so strategy is pretty much out the window. A high level magic user like Dr. Strange might have some success in a comic book battle but again not in a melee. I honestly cant think of anyone in any universe that could survive a melee against potentially thousands of Juggernauts. Doomsday may not be able to be killed in a physical battle after Superman killed him, but he would never be able beat "Multiple-Naut". the gem is not the source of power it's just the link to the power. You divy up the juggernaut several thousand times and he will be perhaps at wreckers level if you want to high end Jugg strength.

Originally posted by Uriel005
the gem is not the source of power it's just the link to the power. You divy up the juggernaut several thousand times and he will be perhaps at wreckers level if you want to high end Jugg strength. but the energy supply chanelled by the ruby is supposed to be infinite. at least according to the more recent comics

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
facepalm

I don't have to prove that he can't, you have to prove that he can. Or concede.

Seeing as how you can't, concession accepted.
There should be a special "concession accepted" smilie.

Originally posted by 753
but the energy supply chanelled by the ruby is supposed to be infinite. at least according to the more recent comics

and yets its been shown that when shared, it severely diminishes in power. black tom v cain.

Originally posted by 753
but the energy supply chanelled by the ruby is supposed to be infinite. at least according to the more recent comics then again unlimited power sources tend not to be... well... unlimited. Or at least not as unlimited as other "unlimited" powers.

Originally posted by Uriel005
then again unlimited power sources tend not to be... well... unlimited. Or at least not as unlimited as other "unlimited" powers. yeah in comics, infinite, much like ominpotent, is a relative term

Originally posted by 753
yeah in comics, infinite, much like ominpotent, is a relative term eternity case and point...

Originally posted by rotiart
and yets its been shown that when shared, it severely diminishes in power. black tom v cain. But its not being shared

Originally posted by Black bolt z
But its not being shared

You are right its not shared. Because multiple man can't copy it.

Originally posted by rotiart
You are right its not shared. Because multiple man can't copy it. Obviously for the point of this thread he can.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Obviously for the point of this thread he can.

You've already been pointed out how juggernaughts powers work... And re read the op...

And btw Jamie has never made thousands ... And definitely not 10000 copies.

Originally posted by rotiart
You've already been pointed out how juggernaughts powers work... And re read the op...

And btw Jamie has never made thousands ... And definitely not 10000 copies. over time this is possible.

Originally posted by rotiart
You've already been pointed out how juggernaughts powers work... And re read the op...

And btw Jamie has never made thousands ... And definitely not 10000 copies. How many would you say this is?

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Originally posted by rotiart
and yets its been shown that when shared, it severely diminishes in power. black tom v cain.

Thats kind of been retconned in New Excalibur. When a new person gets a hold of the gem it puts him and the previous Juggernaut at diminished power so that they can fight to the death and claim the power of the Juggernaut for themselves.

Also two different writers have said that Juggernaut has an unlimited power source. So it can be split as many times as needed.

I has been owned!

What's the Jamie reference from? Last I read he was collecting his dupes that had their own identities but I never saw it hit that many.

Originally posted by rotiart
What's the Jamie reference from? Last I read he was collecting his dupes that had their own identities but I never saw it hit that many. you're not reading x-factor? it's the best x-title out there, well, since uncanny x-force 4, it's the second best. james pwers have changed, each time he makes a dupe it manifest some random aspect of his personality and or what he is feelinga nd think at the moment. the upper limit in his cloning abikty is apparently gone as well. also, whenever a dupe dies maddrox automatically absorbs hima dn gets the knowledge etc. still, I hoped he would be doing better by now in terms of getting his shit together

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Thats kind of been retconned in New Excalibur. When a new person gets a hold of the gem it puts him and the previous Juggernaut at diminished power so that they can fight to the death and claim the power of the Juggernaut for themselves.

Also two different writers have said that Juggernaut has an unlimited power source. So it can be split as many times as needed. again. Supposedly unlimited power sources tend to find limits at the most inopportune times.

Originally posted by Uriel005
again. Supposedly unlimited power sources tend to find limits at the most inopportune times. dude, stop being lazy and think of some ne who can beat a never ending replicating army of juggernauts with madrox' brain.

MJJ

Originally posted by Uriel005
MJJ see, that wasnt hard was it? anybody weaker then him?

Originally posted by 753
you're not reading x-factor? it's the best x-title out there, well, since uncanny x-force 4, it's the second best. james pwers have changed, each time he makes a dupe it manifest some random aspect of his personality and or what he is feelinga nd think at the moment. the upper limit in his cloning abikty is apparently gone as well. also, whenever a dupe dies maddrox automatically absorbs hima dn gets the knowledge etc. still, I hoped he would be doing better by now in terms of getting his shit together

Honestly it got way to weird when that little girl... Layla miller? Anyways she started acting like she was gonna hook up with Jamie... The love triangle with pre teens was way too weird for me... I read sporadically around when Jamie got the m on his face... I honestly don't remember him breaking his roughly 40 clone limit... Was there an issue that referenced that? I was severly turned off by xfactor some time last year so honestly I haven't kept up...

In fact I haven't picked up a comic in two months since I started my marathon training. :-/

Originally posted by The Nuul
shit shit shit shit Nah 4 Wolverine's aren't enough.

Originally posted by inimalist
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/3126/marveltwoinone04310.jpg

discuss That's ****ing awesome!

Originally posted by rotiart
Honestly it got way to weird when that little girl... Layla miller? Anyways she started acting like she was gonna hook up with Jamie... The love triangle with pre teens was way too weird for me... I read sporadically around when Jamie got the m on his face... I honestly don't remember him breaking his roughly 40 clone limit... Was there an issue that referenced that? I was severly turned off by xfactor some time last year so honestly I haven't kept up...

In fact I haven't picked up a comic in two months since I started my marathon training. :-/ they both (or rather she and dupe) travel to an alternate reality to see the future after the birth of hope summers, this turns out to be bishop's reality. as they are taken to mutant concentration field, the dupe kills himself to send his memories back to madrox in the 616, layla stays behind in the camp, eventually escaping from it to join and set off the summers rebellion against the sentinels and the human government. she grows up in this reality and sends for madrox in the 616, where only a few months have passed. once he gets there (after almost commiting suicide over his "son" and meets her as an adult, they begin a relationship and take down the sentinel government with the then unexplained help of dr doom (corrupting fitzroy in the process). They go back to the 616, jamie arrives at the present but layla goes back 2 years further in the past with a device to transfer a shitload of future knowledge into her past self's brain, thus making her know stuff. she then jumps ahead into the present and becomes best friends with dr doom trading future knowledge for mystical and tech knowledge which she knows she is going to need in the future (her future in the 616, not her past in the bishop's reality). she eventualy goes back to x-factor sporting doom tech and packing heavy magics. last issue, a dupe asked her to marry him manifesting madrox's repressed desires. in the end of the book madrox himself manages to be impuslvie about something in his life and asks her to marry him. the book is all kinds of awesome


the thousands of dupes image is from when hydra kidnapped him. I dont recall the exact issue, but it's x-factor.

I can actually see Classic strange do it.

He could find the original with ease then cancel his magic. Then the thousands of juggernauts would be thousands of madrox's which i can easily see Classic strange handling.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
I can actually see Classic strange do it.. then you are blind my young friend...

Originally posted by FanBoy101
then you are blind my young friend... I gave my reasoning. Any reason he can't that you can provide?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
I can actually see Classic strange do it.

He could find the original with ease then cancel his magic. Then the thousands of juggernauts would be thousands of madrox's which i can easily see Classic strange handling.
Has classic Strange ever stopped Juggernaut, or are you just assuming that he could do it?

Originally posted by Brockalizer
Has classic Strange ever stopped Juggernaut, or are you just assuming that he could do it? Of all of classic stranges feats I figure he could come up with something. I mean thor has done it. And if thor can do it with magic then I see no reason classic strange can't do it but better.