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Batman and Punisher get dropped into the Amazon rainforest, they start 100 miles from each other. They both have standard equipment, Punisher gets no Dark Reign stuff. Punisher isn't rusty in h2h due to being Frankencastle.

With standard gear I'd give it to Batman, but dropped in the rain forest with nothing but the clothing on their backs and a single knife, I'd say that situation might be better suited for Punisher's training and abilities.

I'm not sure if Batmans standard gear gives him that much advantage. Hell its not like he can snipe Punisher......

His standard gear is usually throwing batknifes, explosives, and some gas.

Can't Batman use his standard equipment to summon one of his planes?

^ Hell no, just the stuff on his back and pouches. sneer

I ask because I'm fairly certain he has a pager or homing beacon to do such a thing on his person. Unless you want to say he can't do that for this fight, which would be cool.

Well the intention of the thread was that Batman will only use the gear on his costume. So no he can't.

Cool.

I think this match is in Frank's element, but Batman's equipment, especially his cowl's interface, which I think would be paramount to avoiding traps and the like, would give him a slight edge.

Batman has gas and nades and bits n bobs, he starts a fire, Punisher gets a location fix, then Batman waits for the first shot..one its fired then it becomes search and destroy for Bats. A soon as Pun gets within range of a nade toss it's sleepy time.

Originally posted by Juk3n
Batman has gas and nades and bits n bobs, he starts a fire, Punisher gets a location fix, then Batman waits for the first shot..one its fired then it becomes search and destroy for Bats. A soon as Pun gets within range of a nade toss it's sleepy time.

Pun is an expert in jungle tactics. Maybe Bats wins via gear but not tactics. The idea that Bats is gonna outsmart Pun in his area of expertise when hes outsmarted Cap is unlikely.


Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Cool.

I think this match is in Frank's element, but Batman's equipment, especially his cowl's interface, which I think would be paramount to avoiding traps and the like, would give him a slight edge.

There are millions of examples of Batman not using a cowl interface to dodge traps.

If it comes down to H2H who wins?

Originally posted by juggernaut74
If it comes down to H2H who wins?

Batman but a whole load of shit could happen before it comes to that.

Originally posted by Deadline
Pun is an expert in jungle tactics. Maybe Bats wins via gear but not tactics. The idea that Bats is gonna outsmart Pun in his area of expertise when hes outsmarted Cap is unlikely.




There are millions of examples of Batman not using a cowl interface to dodge traps. its nothing to be embarrassed about. i forget to check for traps sometimes too

Who's more of a tactical genius?

This is actually a really good fight imho. Both characters are very stealthy, they understand the psychology of tracking and routing targets, etc. Depending on the weapon you give him, Punisher has a range advantage and for sure a lethality advantage (batarangs are going to do less to punisher than rounds are to batman), but batman essentially has the "power" of not being noticeable...

I'm not sure how I would call it, but it really depends if Punisher can get Batman to give away his location, which I'm not sure he can't given his jungle warfare experience

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Who's more of a tactical genius?

in terms of combat tactics and the psychology of warfare, punisher

in terms of stealthy/tactical combat, probably batman

in the jungle? punisher. hes a child of nam

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
in the jungle? punisher. hes a child of nam Well then it's damm near impossible for Batman to win. The conditions are his specialty and the weapons range makes it even worse for Batman. Plus the fact that Bats isn't going to go for the kill and Punisher most certainly will.

i wouldnt count out batman that easily tho. hes got lots of tricks up his sleeve and hes not too shabby at coming out on top in situations that arent tilted towards him

Why would Punisher kill Batman, though?

because we're making him. and we have all the power here.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Why would Punisher kill Batman, though? That's what Frank does. He kills motherf*ckers dead.

Batman.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Why would Punisher kill Batman, though?

good point, if he wasn't willing to kill he probably loses a solid majority

the OP could say he is willing to kill, but it isn't hard to believe Punisher might be a bit trigger happy being thrown into this situation

punisher would probably ptsd hardcore in this scenario. roll right back into the groove

Originally posted by juggernaut74
That's what Frank does. He kills motherf*ckers dead.

As far as I know, he doesn't kill people "on the same side" as him unless he's changed that. Brutalize, sure, but Frank would figure Batman is a hero, albeit a soft one in his mind.

Anybody have the scans of their fightin JLA/Avengers?

Originally posted by Deadline
I'm not sure if Batmans standard gear gives him that much advantage. Hell its not like he can snipe Punisher......

His standard gear is usually throwing batknifes, explosives, and some gas.

And thermal / night vision.

With his gear Batman should have the advantage. Both of them going Dutch vs Predator style, with limited equipment I'd give it to Punisher.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
As far as I know, he doesn't kill people "on the same side" as him unless he's changed that. Brutalize, sure, but Frank would figure Batman is a hero, albeit a soft one in his mind. Being from a different universe might be enough for Frank to cap his @ss.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Anybody have the scans of their fightin JLA/Avengers?

It was Batman beating Frank off panel; they didn't show the actual fight. I think it lasted what, 30 minutes? According to Plastic Man, that is.

Batman is the Punisher, he just has less rage, and more skill.

Originally posted by inimalist
good point, if he wasn't willing to kill he probably loses a solid majority

the OP could say he is willing to kill, but it isn't hard to believe Punisher might be a bit trigger happy being thrown into this situation

Agh forgot about that CIS is on meaning that Punisher at most would be willing to cripple but not kill. Nah hes not trigger happy against super heroes.

Not sure if its that much of a disadvantage it can be that hard to kneecap batman, or even shoot him point blank with a machine gun (Batman has kevlar). I'm sure he could make non-lethal traps.


Originally posted by srankmissingnin
And thermal / night vision.

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There are ways of getting around that.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Anybody have the scans of their fightin JLA/Avengers?

Meh anyone got scans of the fight they had in the crossover where Pun held his own against Batman eventhough he had the advantage? Hes much better now anyway.

Originally posted by Deadline
or even shoot him point blank with a machine gun (Batman has kevlar).

a machine gun/assault rifle would tear kevlar apart like tissue paper.

Originally posted by Deadline




Meh anyone got scans of the fight they had in the crossover where Pun held his own against Batman eventhough he had the advantage? Hes much better now anyway. Actually, I'd like to see all of their fights if anybody could. I remember Batman letting Frank get a free punch in one fight but Frank was just shot or something.

Batman wins.

Originally posted by inimalist
a machine gun/assault rifle would tear kevlar apart like tissue paper.

To be fair some of Batmans kevlar showings have withstood machine gunfire from point blank range without Batman being hurt. Not all showings are consistent so I'm assuming since he dodges gunfire all the time it would at least wind him.


Originally posted by juggernaut74
Actually, I'd like to see all of their fights if anybody could. I remember Batman letting Frank get a free punch in one fight but Frank was just shot or something.

First fight.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batvspunisher-dknights1-1.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batvspunisher-dknights1-2.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batvspunisher-dknights1-3.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batvspunisher-dknights1-4.jpg

Second fight.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batvspunisher-dknights2-1.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batvspunisher-dknights2-2.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batvspunisher-dknights2-3.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batvspunisher-dknights2-4.jpg

After letting Punisher punch him once, Bats easily disposes of him (it must be noted, though, that Frank had both shoulders injured and that this may have affected his performance)


Current Punisher would do better though.

Originally posted by Deadline
To be fair some of Batmans kevlar showings have withstood machine gunfire from point blank range without Batman being hurt. Not all showings are consistent so I'm assuming since he dodges gunfire all the time it would at least wind him.



do they actually call it kevlar as it is withstanding point blank rounds? or do they call it, like, Bat-armor at least?

Originally posted by Deadline
To be fair some of Batmans kevlar showings have withstood machine gunfire from point blank range without Batman being hurt. Not all showings are consistent so I'm assuming since he dodges gunfire all the time it would at least wind him.




First fight.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batvspunisher-dknights1-1.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batvspunisher-dknights1-2.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batvspunisher-dknights1-3.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batvspunisher-dknights1-4.jpg

Second fight.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batvspunisher-dknights2-1.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batvspunisher-dknights2-2.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batvspunisher-dknights2-3.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batvspunisher-dknights2-4.jpg

After letting Punisher punch him once, Bats easily disposes of him (it must be noted, though, that Frank had both shoulders injured and that this may have affected his performance)


Current Punisher would do better though. Batman looked better in the first fight and pretty much owned him in the 2nd, but Punisher may have been hindered a tad even though it didn't show.

Originally posted by Deadline
Current Punisher would do better though.

It didn't consider it but the fact that Punisher has the body of a 30 year old again should drastically improve his odds against Batman. I mean, even in the body of a 50 year old he has been able give Daredevil a good fight, now that his body is in it's prime again post Frankencastle, Frank should be a much bigger threat than once he was.

Originally posted by inimalist


do they actually call it kevlar as it is withstanding point blank rounds? or do they call it, like, Bat-armor at least?

In Hama's Batman run his cowl was durable enough for him to shrug off a sniper round to the forehead.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
In Hama's Batman run his cowl was durable enough for him to shrug off a sniper round to the forehead.

"and for my next trick, incendiary .50 cal to the stomach!"

actually, now that I think about it, doesn't he take a shot to the head during Hush as well? not anything absurd like a sniper round, but a small caliber round from... Deadshot(?)

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Well then it's damm near impossible for Batman to win. The conditions are his specialty and the weapons range makes it even worse for Batman. Plus the fact that Bats isn't going to go for the kill and Punisher most certainly will. This is still pretty close imo. Even if Frank won't kill.

Originally posted by inimalist


do they actually call it kevlar as it is withstanding point blank rounds? or do they call it, like, Bat-armor at least?

Meh can't quite remember.



Originally posted by juggernaut74
Batman looked better in the first fight and pretty much owned him in the 2nd, but Punisher may have been hindered a tad even though it didn't show.

You did notice in the first fight Batman got the drop on Pun? He was injured a tad? He was injured in both shoulders and there was blood streaming from them. Bleeding shoulders aren't going to affect your ability to punch? If it didn't show its because Pun is a badass doesn't mean he wasn't injured.



Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It didn't consider it but the fact that Punisher has the body of a 30 year old again should drastically improve his odds against Batman. I mean, even in the body of a 50 year old he has been able give Daredevil a good fight, now that his body is in it's prime again post Frankencastle, Frank should be a much bigger threat than once he was.

*sigh* Not even what I mean't. I mean't that hes been getting some of his most impressive showings ever. I'm not even sure writers factored his age at all.

*bump*

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Bats even with the handicap of being unable to summon his planes etc lol

Batman's sensory abilities would be beyond Punisher's, and in addition, his stealth capabilities are beyond Punisher's.

Can't hit what you can't see.