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When people fight these characters, who out of these people have PIS following them more? Which of these people defeat or do good against beings that they shouldn't have on a more common bases?

Who is the PIS/CIS king?

Batman
Wolverine
Spiderman
Deathstroke
Black Panther

Hulk isn't included in this thread nihilist or nuul or iceman... so please don't bring him up.

Hulk

Wolverine

Batman has the most PIS(although wolverine competes cuz somehow he has killed devils in hell...) by far an BP has the least

Originally posted by carver9
When people fight these characters, who out of these people have PIS following them more? Which of these people defeat or do good against beings that they shouldn't have on a more common bases?

Who is the PIS/CIS king?

Batman
Wolverine
Spiderman
Deathstroke
Black Panther

Every single one of these characters have PIS working in their advantage from time to time, but the king out of those listed would have to be Batman, imo.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk isn't included in this thread nihilist or nuul or iceman... so please don't bring him up.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Hulk

depends PIS effects them differently. some are written so bad at times that they cant defeat a drunk homeless bum. while other's pis allows them to fight heralds.

Batman
Slade
Spiderman
black Panther
Daredevil
Wolverine

Generally, it's Batman.

I mean, just recently in Confidential, the guy somehow drove all the air out of Wonder Woman's chest with the fabled Batkick. And makes the rest of the JLA look like idiots in the process. Even in the context of the actual comics, other characters have referred to him as Batgod, and it seems like Batman doing bizarre and plot-device-ish crap is something of a running joke. Take a look at the fact that most people, serious or in jest, see a "Batman vs." thread and goes "Batman wins because he's Batman". It's spawned a bunch of inside jokes and rabid debates.

Wolverine is close, though. His status as the "anti-brick" starts to get blown out of proportion, but usually more by his passionate fanbase more so than the writers handling him.

hmm..

Wolverine PIS tends to work against him more often then not to allow opponents who have no chance a fighting chance.

the anti brick comment is absurd, its what he has bn doing for decades consistently it's what happen some time between 98 that started changing things and screwing him to the point he is a measuring stick for everyone in spandex to gauge their ability

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk isn't included in this thread nihilist or nuul or iceman... so please don't bring him up. Lol singling us out somebody seems to have a man crush

Originally posted by iceman24567
Lol singling us out somebody seems to have a man crush

Lol... naah, I just know you all.

Originally posted by King Castle
hmm..

Wolverine PIS tends to work against him more often then not to allow opponents who have no chance a fighting chance.

the anti brick comment is absurd, its what he has bn doing for decades consistently it's what happen some time between 98 that started changing things and screwing him to the point he is a measuring stick for everyone in spandex to gauge their ability

Which is why I said it's usually done more by people actively supporting character than writers handling him, though he does have more than his fair share of instances. Count Nefaria comes to mind...

Deathstroke often gets mis-labeled with PIS and that people job to him, when, ever since his conception, he was branded as a master tactician who takes on teams and wins. It doesn't help that Slade is one of the few in DC who consistently gives Batman fits, which is then dubbed as PIS by people who dislike it.

by the way there is a longer list of names then those if you want to actually finger poke the characters and the companies

Wolverine fights are PIS as soon as a flying/range attack character decides to go melee.

i gives you a faster outcome. b/c we know more often then not they dont have the stamina energy reserve to continue the battle for hours let alone days with logan in a city

Hulk, Sentry, Wolverine, Supes etc... any of the major characters that get wanked will have the most PIS/CIS because those guys are the best sellers.

Thor is not as popular thus gets the jobbing treatment more.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Hulk Agreed

Originally posted by King Castle
depends PIS effects them differently. some are written so bad at times that they cant defeat a drunk homeless bum. while other's pis allows them to fight heralds.


so true for spiderman

Originally posted by King Castle
i gives you a faster outcome. b/c we know more often then not they dont have the stamina energy reserve to continue the battle for hours let alone days with logan in a city I wasn't reffering to Spider-man, but you're right, good thing is Spider-man would need 2 minutes tops to annihilate Wolverine.

Wolverine. Because every time he gets ko'ed by punches or bullets, it doesn't count. Somehow. Despite it happening over and over again.

...

Oh wait... this is about who benefits from IDLI, IDH PIS? Never mind.

cap should be on the list

Originally posted by inimalist
cap should be on the list

definitely right behind bats

Voidtry.

Originally posted by King Castle
definitely right behind bats

Bats is just that good, he doesnt need PIS to win.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Bats is just that good, he doesnt need PIS to win.

Cool story, bro!

Originally posted by The Nuul
Cap is just that good, he doesnt need PIS to win.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Bats is just that good, he doesnt need PIS to win. Truth

Also, Zeus in H2H. Amirite? dur

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Also, Zeus in H2H. Amirite? dur Yeah he cheatz ftw!!!

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Also, Zeus in H2H. Amirite? dur Of course unless it's on panel (canon) proof that says otherwise.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Also, Zeus in H2H. Amirite? dur

Good one.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I wasn't reffering to Spider-man, but you're right, good thing is Spider-man would need 2 minutes tops to annihilate Wolverine. nor was i. cute response though.. *pat on the back*

shouldnt Sentry have coined his own term rather then use PIS/CIS which tarnishes it even more imo

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Even%20More%20Random/WolverinePummeled45v347.jpg

Clearly PIS. There be some tarnishing going on here. Unforgivable tarnishing.

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/788/788611/fallen-son-the-death-of-captain-america-20070515040332771-000.jpg

^ His shield absorbs force. When he's set and has leverage, he's withstood a blitz of punches from Gladiator. Phail.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ His shield absorbs force. When he's set and has leverage, he's withstood a blitz of punches from Gladiator. Phail. Was gona say the same

Cap fighting Klaw and "giving a fight" to X-Ray is PIS imo.

spider has a absorbing shield now?

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/1871/caphulk25ye.jpg
http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1281986805.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/capture04-7.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/capture05-6.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/capture06-3.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/capture07-5.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/img007.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/OWNSLAUGHT2.jpg

The whole Spider-man Cap vs. Hulk thing was a flashback and Spidey was actually fighting Rhino wasn't it?

I agree with the rest though.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
The whole Spider-man Cap vs. Hulk thing was a flashback and Spidey was actually fighting Rhino wasn't it?

I agree with the rest though. yes.

where is the spidey hulk fight where its televised on tv?

Originally posted by King Castle
spider has a absorbing shield now?

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/1871/caphulk25ye.jpg
http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1281986805.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/capture04-7.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/capture05-6.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/capture06-3.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/capture07-5.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/img007.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/OWNSLAUGHT2.jpg No. He doesn't. Cap does.

And posting Cap's shield clonking off his head, or Hulk playing dead, or cropping panels of a mostly off-panel flashback fight means what exactly?

Originally posted by King Castle
where is the spidey hulk fight where its televised on tv? That's 100% legit sneer

Originally posted by Parmaniac
That's 100% legit sneer is this one too?
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/9389/capiii09p17ah7.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/8582/653200-capiii09p17ah7_super.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/8582/645818-6x6o4zp_super.jpg

Rhino is/was a jobber.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Rhino is/was a jobber. That and with the first scan, Rhino was still raring to go if you didn't ignore the next page/panel. Or with the second scan, the context where Rhino was asphyxiating. Again, nice cropping. Cap punches/kicks hard. Not a secret.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Rhino is/was a jobber. Daredevil

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/29885/981899-421691_dd73nf_super_super.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/61080/1287698-addbw_super.jpg

^ I'm surprised this thread turned into a forum for you to vent your butt-hurt frustration with what happens in comics and post cropped scans.

That was sarcasm.

Originally posted by King Castle
http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/788/788611/fallen-son-the-death-of-captain-america-20070515040332771-000.jpg Thats just how caps shield works. Vibranium is haxxx.

why do you have the need to bait and antagonize people here?

@pharmaniac

to be fair the DD Wolvie is Pis going both ways effecting one positively and one negatively.

Logan seems to suffer the latter effect.
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa262/surrealmonkey_wedding/worstblogever/PunisherPwnsWolverine1.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3214/3637744791_f7d1739a66.jpg

@BB
i wasnt showing that for cap but for spidey

Originally posted by King Castle
why do you have the need to bait and antagonize people here?

@pharmaniac

to be fair the DD Wolvie is Pis going both ways effecting one positively and one negatively.

Logan seems to suffer the latter effect.
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa262/surrealmonkey_wedding/worstblogever/PunisherPwnsWolverine1.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3214/3637744791_f7d1739a66.jpg

@BB
i wasnt showing that for cap but for spidey Rhino sucks. What more is there to say about it?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Rhino sucks. What more is there to say about it? yes he does but its due to Pis that other characters capitalize on using their own PIS aura to further exploit rhino's pis effecting him negatively

Originally posted by King Castle
why do you have the need to bait and antagonize people here? Baiting you into begrudgingly accepting that you're posting scans out of context (or blatantly cropping panels) as a precursor to posting entire scenes involving Wolverine to veil those Wolverine showings with an aura of PIS (when they're not)...

... and antagonizing your transparent attempts to further this notion in the dozens of bait threads that you create? Wait... what was the question, again?

Originally posted by King Castle
yes he does but its due to Pis that other characters capitalize on using their own PIS aura to further exploit rhino's pis effecting him negatively What? Spidey has a PIS arua and rhino is affected by PIS.

Stupid person x PIS x PIS x stupid outfit= Rhino.

Originally posted by King Castle
@pharmaniac

to be fair the DD Wolvie is Pis going both ways effecting one positively and one negatively. I haven't made any comment on the DD Wolverine scan

and Spidey had some kind of flashback and was emtionally amped which is rellay an amp for him looking at his history of feats when he went serious or was desperate and pushed himself to the limit, I persoanlly don't really see a big prob there.

Originally posted by King Castle
Daredevil

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/29885/981899-421691_dd73nf_super_super.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/61080/1287698-addbw_super.jpg they don't have a smilie for how funny that is lol

i especially like how wolverines convulsing on the floor while they're talking

http://www.comics101.com/archives/comics101/images/2004/sep1/beaten.jpg


and the winner is...................Slade Wilson AKA Deathstroke!

ppl have bn judo tossing colossus for decades. not that much of pis.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/67718/1634326-wonderwomanv2special014_super.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/7/73277/1634120-695837_ds16mc_super_super.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/67718/1634324-wonderwomanv2special015_super.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/67718/1634325-wonderwomanv2special016_super.jpg

That actually wasnt that bad it was a judo type move leverage was on Slades si4e

colossus, a poor man's thing

Originally posted by Sin I AM
colossus, a poor man's thing quit while you're ahead

sneer

Originally posted by Magneto1982
http://www.comics101.com/archives/comics101/images/2004/sep1/beaten.jpg


and the winner is...................Slade Wilson AKA Deathstroke! All I can see there is Colossus deepthroating Slade for a while and then getting away.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
colossus, a poor man's thing A poor mans thing huh?

she's got a dirty mind, nasty....

yes...imo ole yancy street is just flat out better than the soft heated russian

Originally posted by Sin I AM
colossus, a poor man's thing

my thing has been called coloss.... oh wait, i see what you mean...

Originally posted by inimalist
my thing has been called coloss.... oh wait, i see what you mean...

Well played sir.

Cap and Nick Fury took down the U-Foes; I know that includes a partner (Fury) but that is still pretty far out there in terms of PIS -- two team-members that are insubstantial, one that is probably more powerful than thing, and one who can turn hulk into a skeleton... beaten by a super-soldier and a one-eyed man.
At least with the bat-kick we can pretend there is some kind of chi-force going on.

For me it's probably:

- Batman
- Black Panther (from Hudlin on)
- Wolverine - though there are circumstances, he can no doubt survive against a lot of guys, but he shouldn't beat all the guys that he does. Especially anyone with flying and range powers.

Others like Cap can be close sometimes, but the above guys are just absurd sometimes.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
although wolverine competes cuz somehow he has killed devils in hell...)

How is that hard to believe

works for me how its been done in the book.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank

Wolverine is close, though. His status as the "anti-brick" starts to get blown out of proportion,

Not really, he was created as a Hulk enemy afterall.

On average, Batman isn't as bad as what people are saying. It's only his high end showings which aren't that common if you count all of them.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
All I can see there is Colossus deepthroating Slade for a while and then getting away.

I posted the scan to show how much the writers to put Deathstroke on a pedestal. He judo-tossed Colossus with ease! A true showing of PIS/CIS in my opinion. I guess Deathstroke can judo-toss Juggernaut and Gladiator as well without breaking a sweat?

Originally posted by Magneto1982
I posted the scan to show how much the writers to put Deathstroke on a pedestal. He judo-tossed Colossus with ease! A true showing of PIS/CIS in my opinion.

On a serious note..why is that farfetched? How much does metal form colossus weigh? Surely not more than DS can lift..so..

Originally posted by Magneto1982
I posted the scan to show how much the writers to put Deathstroke on a pedestal. He judo-tossed Colossus with ease! A true showing of PIS/CIS in my opinion. I guess Deathstroke can judo-toss Juggernaut and Gladiator as well without breaking a sweat? Juggenaut and Gladiator are way above Colossus and that instance with Slade wasn't really PIS/CIS just good strategy

Originally posted by Juk3n
On a serious note..why is that farfetched? How much does metal form colossus weigh? Surely not more than DS can lift..so.. Osmium, it's twice as dense as lead.

Originally posted by Juk3n
On a serious note..why is that farfetched? How much does metal form colossus weigh? Surely not more than DS can lift..so..

anything between 500lbs and a couple of tons.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Osmium, it's twice as dense as lead.

edit, answer in above post, i see no problem with DS throwing an off guard colossus.

It should be enough to throw Colossus off balance.

Batman and Hulk

Originally posted by Juk3n
On a serious note..why is that farfetched? How much does metal form colossus weigh? Surely not more than DS can lift..so..

the wonderful thing about a hip toss is that your opponent's weight actually helps you. Obviously there is a limit, like, a person couldn't hip toss an elephant, but I agree, I hardly see DS hiptossing colossus as being a terrible moment in PIS.

Doesn't DS have some way more outrageous moments? did he take on JLA? or was it teen titans? (afaik, both teams have members that should have given Slade trouble)

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ His shield absorbs force. When he's set and has leverage, he's withstood a blitz of punches from Gladiator. Phail.

It absorbs kinetic energy, which doesn't take into account the force involved in the blow in terms of newtons (mass, distance and all that, i.e. the relation between the sheer force of the blow to move the shield from point a to b and Cap's ability to resist such a force).

It's definitely one of those incomprehensible but ignored things in comics.

Originally posted by inimalist
the wonderful thing about a hip toss is that your opponent's weight actually helps you. Obviously there is a limit, like, a person couldn't hip toss an elephant, but I agree, I hardly see DS hiptossing colossus as being a terrible moment in PIS.

Doesn't DS have some way more outrageous moments? did he take on JLA? or was it teen titans? (afaik, both teams have members that should have given Slade trouble)

Yes... he took on the jla. He stabbed a blitzing flash... punched Zatanna in the stomach and made her vomit so that she wouldn't say a spell and then he almost snatched the ring off of a gl until he got stabbed in the eye.

Then he beat up a kid flash that was fighting him at light speed.

Then he outpaced Supes.

Went H2H with Wonder Woman.

Clipped a blitzing flash up, hit him with a pole and then tied him up.

Then he took on the entire titans and almost defeated them on more than 1 occassion.

Originally posted by carver9
Yes... he took on the jla. He stabbed a blitzing flash... punched Zatanna in the stomach and made her vomit so that she wouldn't say a spell and then he almost snatched the ring off of a gl until he got stabbed in the eye.

Then he beat up a kid flash that was fighting him at light speed.

Then he outpaced Supes.

Went H2H with Wonder Woman.

Clipped a blitzing flash up, hit him with a pole and then tied him up.

Then he took on the entire titans and almost defeated them on more than 1 occassion.

so ya, hip tossing colossus has nothing on those feats

Dude it's Colossus

what about when Cass judo chopped superboy in the nose passed his TK?

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/1825/tecwork2.jpg

i'd take that with a grain of salt, it seems more like a joke about gender steryotypes and violation

Or how about Ironman hitting Sentry making his nose bleed. Or Shatterstar stabbing Juggernaut in the eye.

how about them?

Originally posted by inimalist
how about them?

Would you consider those PIS moments?

Originally posted by carver9
Would you consider those PIS moments?

Iron man making sentry bleed, no

shatterstar stabbing juggs, only if it was classic

Shatterstar has magic.

what sort of effect does that have on juggernaut?

Originally posted by inimalist
what sort of effect does that have on juggernaut? Juggernauts enchantment is magic and thus magic can and has canceled it.

oh, ok, then its not PIS

what about midnighter?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Juggernauts enchantment is magic and thus magic can and has canceled it.

But we have classic doctor strange being unable to even put a scratch on a jugs that was at 50% of his power?



Then we have Dspare being unable to drop a jugs that again, was at a fraction of his power.

PIS

Originally posted by carver9
But we have classic doctor strange being unable to even put a scratch on a jugs that was at 50% of his power?



Then we have Dspare being unable to drop a jugs that again, was at a fraction of his power.

PIS

it sounds more like those 2 moments are more PIS than shatterstar, but even then, not really...

Originally posted by carver9
But we have classic doctor strange being unable to even put a scratch on a jugs that was at 50% of his power?



Then we have Dspare being unable to drop a jugs that again, was at a fraction of his power.

PIS Was strange trying to hurt him or cancel his magic? I'm not saying it always does. I mean thors magical lightning has tickled him. But thor has used magic to cancel his enchantment. Magic beats him but only if used properly.

Speaking of Strange, Zom Strange fighting Hulk is PIS and CIS.

Originally posted by King Castle
what about midnighter?

Mid beating up Apollo is PIS.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Speaking of Strange, Zom Strange fighting Hulk is PIS and CIS. heroim took him out the second time he showed up, i guess he has more power than strange

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Was strange trying to hurt him or cancel his magic? I'm not saying it always does. I mean thors magical lightning has tickled him. But thor has used magic to cancel his enchantment. Magic beats him but only if used properly.

Yes... strange was surprised at the fact that he couldn't even tickle juggernaut. Juggernaut was busting through his magic like nothing. Juggernaut even shrugged off a tornadoe storm full of magic from cytorrak.

Shatterstar stabbing him is PIS.

Originally posted by carver9
Shatterstar stabbing him is PIS. I remember a Carver who said, not long ago, that he's one of the few people that doesn't believe in PIS.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I remember a Carver who said, not long ago, that he's one of the few people that doesn't believe in PIS.

lol

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I remember a Carver who said, not long ago, that he's one of the few people that doesn't believe in PIS.

It depends (good catch though)... if Thor or other high end characters can't damage jugs, why can shatterstar.

When it comes to fights... no, there isn't a such thing as PIS. I would love for someone to find a single post where I screamed PIS.

Originally posted by carver9
Yes... strange was surprised at the fact that he couldn't even tickle juggernaut. Juggernaut was busting through his magic like nothing. Juggernaut even shrugged off a tornadoe storm full of magic from cytorrak.

Shatterstar stabbing him is PIS.

considering some of the battles Strange has been in, this seem much more like a low end PIS situation on his side than anything to do with Juggs... /eh

Definately Batman.

Sure Captain America has a few, but at least he has the SSS and the indestructible shield to offer some justification as to how he can pull off the crazy stuff he does.

Batman's justification? "Oh he can do that stuff because he's Batman."

Look at that JLA fight:

* Flash (the guy so fast he perceives Superman as a statue) is charging him and Batman is somehow able to react in time to reach into his belt, draw a smoke bomb and toss it to the ground which somehow renders Flash completely helpless (let alone the fact that he could just spin his arms and blow the smoke away).

* Punches Wonder Woman and breaks his hand. Next panel he boots her in the gut and this somehow blasts all the air out of her lungs. As someone on another site put it "that's like me having the air blasted out of my lungs by an insect flying into my solar plexus," let alone that she has super-speed of her own and is a trained fighter.

* Drops Martian Manhunter with a kick to the gut. The same MM who has Superman-esque strength and speed and can phase through matter.

* Beats GL by throwing a cable around his hand, even though on previous occasions when he tried the exact same tactic Hal just used the ring to burn the cable away instantly.

Worst case of PIS ever.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
Definately Batman.

Sure Captain America has a few, but at least he has the SSS and the indestructible shield to offer some justification as to how he can pull off the crazy stuff he does.

Batman's justification? "Oh he can do that stuff because he's Batman."

Look at that JLA fight:

* Flash (the guy so fast he perceives Superman as a statue) is charging him and Batman is somehow able to react in time to reach into his belt, draw a smoke bomb and toss it to the ground which somehow renders Flash completely helpless (let alone the fact that he could just spin his arms and blow the smoke away).

* Punches Wonder Woman and breaks his hand. Next panel he boots her in the gut and this somehow blasts all the air out of her lungs. As someone on another site put it "that's like me having the air blasted out of my lungs by an insect flying into my solar plexus," let alone that she has super-speed of her own and is a trained fighter.

* Drops Martian Manhunter with a kick to the gut. The same MM who has Superman-esque strength and speed and can phase through matter.

* Beats GL by throwing a cable around his hand, even though on previous occasions when he tried the exact same tactic Hal just used the ring to burn the cable away instantly.

Worst case of PIS ever.

This. All of it.

Originally posted by carver9

I would love for someone to find a single post where I screamed PIS.
You didn't call it "PIS" explicitly, but I've seen you use the same argument to refute certain claims in certain non-comic threads. 131

As for the thread, this argument could made for a few characters. Street levelers in general need some PIS to even keep them relevant when their teammates are Superman, Thor, Majestic, etc. That's just the nature of shared comic universes.

Batgirl?

http://i34.tinypic.com/2welwud.jpg

Originally posted by The Nuul
Mid beating up Apollo is PIS. Not really, considering who else Midnighter has thrown down toe-to-toe with in pure H2H.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
* Beats GL by throwing a cable around his hand, even though on previous occasions when he tried the exact same tactic Hal just used the ring to burn the cable away instantly.

Worst case of PIS ever. and then hal punched batman's lights out

Originally posted by carver9
It depends (good catch though)... if Thor or other high end characters can't damage jugs, why can shatterstar.

When it comes to fights... no, there isn't a such thing as PIS. I would love for someone to find a single post where I screamed PIS.

There is such a thing as PIS though. On this forum at least.

Originally posted by -Pr-
There is such a thing as PIS though. On this forum at least.

I was just saying "imo".

If something is "consistent", it shouldn't be marked as pis.

Consistency is the key.

Originally posted by carver9
I was just saying "imo".

If something is "consistent", it shouldn't be marked as pis.

Consistency is the key.

isn't that how PIS is judged anyways?

Originally posted by inimalist
isn't that how PIS is judged anyways?

It shouldn't be.

If the feat doesn't make sense or clearly contradicts what other feats show, and there is no explanation for it, then I think its PIS, even if it happens all the time. I will not abandon logic and reason.

For example if Cap beats Hulk H2H 100000 times in the comics, and there is no explanation as to how Cap is doing it - its still PIS.

Consistency alone does not dictate anything.

Originally posted by inimalist
isn't that how PIS is judged anyways?

It depends on how you look at it imo. Example... I would use my fave character, Gladiator.

Gladiator possess super speed and has shown blinding speed and blitzes his entire career.

Let's say Gladiator fought Hulk a 100 times and out of that 100 time he only fought Hulk 3 times at blinding speed. In my eyes, its not consistent enough for me to say that Hulk would not touch Gladiator due to Gladiator major speed advantage because overall, its "rare" when Gladiator use his speed in that fashion. So if Hulk outright destroys Gladiator, there should be no reason for me to holla PIS due to consistency of Hulk or Hulk like characters tagging Glads.

Originally posted by carver9
I was just saying "imo".

If something is "consistent", it shouldn't be marked as pis.

Consistency is the key.

along with many other factors. characters, powersets, established fights and meetings, and so on.

Originally posted by -Pr-
along with many other factors. characters, powersets, established fights and meetings, and so on.

Read above and PR, I am not saying that you are wrong. Just letting you know this so that I will not receive a warning.

Originally posted by carver9
Read above and PR, I am not saying that you are wrong. Just letting you know this so that I will not receive a warning.

I did read it.

Who said anything about warnings?

Originally posted by -Pr-
I did read it.

Who said anything about warnings?

We discussed this before and I think I was getting my point across to you and deep down inside you were agreeing with me BUT you didn't want to admit it (I can tell... took you to long to reply) and you decided to cut our convo short by saying "carver9, you are a step away from receiving a warning".

I can see the same thing happening again tonight.

Owning.

Originally posted by carver9
We discussed this before and I think I was getting my point across to you and deep down inside you were agreeing with me BUT you didn't want to admit it (I can tell... took you to long to reply) and you decided to cut our convo short by saying "carver9, you are a step away from receiving a warning".

I can see the same thing happening again tonight.

Owning.

pr1983

What did i "agree but didn't want to admit it" with, pray tell?

Originally posted by Placidity
It shouldn't be.

If the feat doesn't make sense or clearly contradicts what other feats show, and there is no explanation for it, then I think its PIS, even if it happens all the time. I will not abandon logic and reason.

For example if Cap beats Hulk H2H 100000 times in the comics, and there is no explanation as to how Cap is doing it - its still PIS.

Consistency alone does not dictate anything.

I can't agree with that though, it says that for some reason we know better than the people who are creating the media. The entire universe doesn't make "sense", like, the "logic" should be what people are shown as being able to do. Otherwise I'd argue that spiderman got radiation poisioning and a rash from the spiderbite, because its illogical and PIS otherwise...

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oh, ok, read carver's post, and sort of from yours and pr. I think we are approaching this in differnt ways. I would say consistency isn't defined as in "who beat who how many times", but in exactly what you guys are talking about. Like, if Starhawk can go ftl and blitz, but doesn't and gets decked by spidey, that doesn't mean I think spiderman consistently beats Starhawk. The general consistency of their powerset outside of that conflict shows why it is PIS, likewise with hulk/cap, gladiator speedblitz, etc

Originally posted by inimalist
oh, ok, read carver's post, and sort of from yours and pr. I think we are approaching this in differnt ways. I would say consistency isn't defined as in "who beat who how many times", but in exactly what you guys are talking about. Like, if Starhawk can go ftl and blitz, but doesn't and gets decked by spidey, that doesn't mean I think spiderman consistently beats Starhawk. The general consistency of their powerset outside of that conflict shows why it is PIS, likewise with hulk/cap, gladiator speedblitz, etc

exactly.

Originally posted by inimalist
I can't agree with that though, it says that for some reason we know better than the people who are creating the media. The entire universe doesn't make "sense", like, the "logic" should be what people are shown as being able to do. Otherwise I'd argue that spiderman got radiation poisioning and a rash from the spiderbite, because its illogical and PIS otherwise...

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oh, ok, read carver's post, and sort of from yours and pr. I think we are approaching this in differnt ways. I would say consistency isn't defined as in "who beat who how many times", but in exactly what you guys are talking about. Like, if Starhawk can go ftl and blitz, but doesn't and gets decked by spidey, that doesn't mean I think spiderman consistently beats Starhawk. The general consistency of their powerset outside of that conflict shows why it is PIS, likewise with hulk/cap, gladiator speedblitz, etc

So if Gladiator fought and lost to in one on one battles against Hulk, Grundy, Kalibak, Kovikt, She Hulk, Colossus, Red Hulk on more than one occasion and in every last one of their encounters he went fist cuffs with them (along with using his long range powers), you would still give him a majority in a forum fight (I know the rules PR, just want to see his response).

Originally posted by carver9
So if Gladiator fought and lost to in one on one battles against Hulk, Grundy, Kalibak, Kovikt, She Hulk, Colossus, Red Hulk on more than one occasion and in every last one of their encounters he went fist cuffs with them (along with using his long range powers), you would still give him a majority in a forum fight (I know the rules PR, just want to see his response).

my knowledge of comics isn't nearly as encyclopedic as your guys is, a couple of those guys I have no idea about at all, and I'm not too familiar with Gladiator.

I would say this though. If everytime gladiator fights, he goes fisticuffs, that is cis. Forum rules on cis would say that him engaging in fisticuffs matches his character, and we don't necessarily get to use cahracters to their optimal ability because they have personalities that dictate otherwise. But with gladiator, I don't really know. If the average gladiator fight shows him using a vast array of powers, than ya, it would sort of be pis that he just dropped it to fight someone like she hulk, who I can pretty safely say has no right fighting gladiator...

Originally posted by inimalist
I can't agree with that though, it says that for some reason we know better than the people who are creating the media. The entire universe doesn't make "sense", like, the "logic" should be what people are shown as being able to do. Otherwise I'd argue that spiderman got radiation poisioning and a rash from the spiderbite, because its illogical and PIS otherwise...


You are using the terms "sense", and "logic" in a completely different way that I did.

You are using those terms to question suspension of belief. Whereas, I use the terms in their literal definition.

Spider-man has powers because a radioactive spider modified his DNA. That makes sense.

Hulk, consistently getting beaten up by a two year old who knows karate (white belt), does not make sense given his history, powers and showings.

Originally posted by Placidity
Hulk, consistently getting beaten up by a two year old who knows karate (white belt), does not make sense given his history, powers and showings.

it does if that child has a history of beating people like the hulk

kid could have one shotted Juggs /shrug

Originally posted by inimalist
it does if that child has a history of beating people like the hulk

kid could have one shotted Juggs /shrug

Well, you were meant to assume there is no explanation given like I said previously.

Lets say the Kid is a random and gets beaten up by other kids. He is not 'special' in any way, no magic, no special circumstances etc.

Originally posted by Placidity
Well, you were meant to assume there is no explanation given like I said previously.

Lets say the Kid is a random and gets beaten up by other kids. He is not 'special' in any way, no magic, no special circumstances etc.

i know

im just messing with you

Originally posted by -Pr-
exactly. Kinda like Flash getting nailed by people he has no business being nailed by, it comes to common sense and logic after a certain point.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Kinda like Flash getting nailed by people he has no business being nailed by, it comes to common sense and logic after a certain point.

yep.

Originally posted by Placidity
It shouldn't be.

If the feat doesn't make sense or clearly contradicts what other feats show, and there is no explanation for it, then I think its PIS, even if it happens all the time. I will not abandon logic and reason.

For example if Cap beats Hulk H2H 100000 times in the comics, and there is no explanation as to how Cap is doing it - its still PIS.

Consistency alone does not dictate anything. does KK fall into this?

Originally posted by chilled monkey
Definately Batman.

Sure Captain America has a few, but at least he has the SSS and the indestructible shield to offer some justification as to how he can pull off the crazy stuff he does.

Batman's justification? "Oh he can do that stuff because he's Batman."

Look at that JLA fight:

* Flash (the guy so fast he perceives Superman as a statue) is charging him and Batman is somehow able to react in time to reach into his belt, draw a smoke bomb and toss it to the ground which somehow renders Flash completely helpless (let alone the fact that he could just spin his arms and blow the smoke away).

* Punches Wonder Woman and breaks his hand. Next panel he boots her in the gut and this somehow blasts all the air out of her lungs. As someone on another site put it "that's like me having the air blasted out of my lungs by an insect flying into my solar plexus," let alone that she has super-speed of her own and is a trained fighter.

* Drops Martian Manhunter with a kick to the gut. The same MM who has Superman-esque strength and speed and can phase through matter.

* Beats GL by throwing a cable around his hand, even though on previous occasions when he tried the exact same tactic Hal just used the ring to burn the cable away instantly.

Worst case of PIS ever.

I saw that as an indirect parody of the Batman character. The writer would have to be a brainless ape to take that feat seriously, he'd have to have no idea whatsoever of the abilities of said characters.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
but the king out of those listed would have to be Batman, imo.

Agreed.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
Definately Batman.

Sure Captain America has a few, but at least he has the SSS and the indestructible shield to offer some justification as to how he can pull off the crazy stuff he does.

Batman's justification? "Oh he can do that stuff because he's Batman."

Look at that JLA fight:

* Flash (the guy so fast he perceives Superman as a statue) is charging him and Batman is somehow able to react in time to reach into his belt, draw a smoke bomb and toss it to the ground which somehow renders Flash completely helpless (let alone the fact that he could just spin his arms and blow the smoke away).

* Punches Wonder Woman and breaks his hand. Next panel he boots her in the gut and this somehow blasts all the air out of her lungs. As someone on another site put it "that's like me having the air blasted out of my lungs by an insect flying into my solar plexus," let alone that she has super-speed of her own and is a trained fighter.

* Drops Martian Manhunter with a kick to the gut. The same MM who has Superman-esque strength and speed and can phase through matter.

* Beats GL by throwing a cable around his hand, even though on previous occasions when he tried the exact same tactic Hal just used the ring to burn the cable away instantly.

Worst case of PIS ever.

I agree with most of that but I don't have a problem with MAs being able to hurt bricks.

Originally posted by Deadline
I don't have a problem with MAs being able to hurt bricks.

Hulk can take a tank shell to the face for fun, so i have to say , i have a real problem with Captain America knocking him out.

I wouldn't expect you, wielding a rolled up magazine, to be able to level a building.

Yeah Cap KOing or even hurting 100 tonners is PIS.

And on that same note the superhumanly strong characters like that should be able to ko or kill him in one hit.

A comic book is a comic book, but things can only go so far. The problem comes when people don't understand that and use it in a debate.

It may be pis or cis to some... But I mean saying cap can't defeat the hulk... When he has fought in Asgard.. Against the wrecking crew... Hyde... Etc... Makes light of the fact he has fought and sometimes even defeated these bricks...

As to batman and wonderwoman... Isn't there something about her having to be in motion to have super durability?

The batman Martian manhinter comment I load up to pis.

Batman is the master of pis... But hey... Writers love it

He really shouldn't. Spider-Man has fought against damn near everybody, but I wouldn't put him up against Superman.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I'm surprised this thread turned into a forum for you to vent your butt-hurt frustration with what happens in comics and post cropped scans.

That was sarcasm. it's the king castle effect

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
And on that same note the superhumanly strong characters like that should be able to ko or kill him in one hit.

A comic book is a comic book, but things can only go so far. The problem comes when people don't understand that and use it in a debate.

*sigh* Still passing your own personal 100% subjective opinion as fact and acting as if your intellect is highier than those with a different opinion. Not respecting other peoples opinion and talking down to them like they're idiots shows lack of integrity, in all fairness I don't think it really fits The Christian spirit either.

lol@ this page so far.

I know, I was just making a general post and bam, this here, right out of left field.

Originally posted by Deadline
*sigh* Still passing your own personal 100% subjective opinion as fact and acting as if your intellect is highier than those with a different opinion. Not respecting other peoples opinion and talking down to them like they're idiots shows lack of integrity, in all fairness I don't think it really fits The Christian spirit either.



Lol, still passing your fanwank for MA/Blade characters and still holding vendettas while starting something with everyone who doesn't agree with anything you say. I'm sorry if the concept of common sense eludes you, everyone else on here seems to get it just fine though. Relatively human characters would be decimated in one shot from someone who shatters mountains. You're free to believe what you want, like everyone else. Doesn't mean it makes sense.

Right up there with Batman tagging the Flash. It's fine in comics, but it doesn't work when you go by the best showings of the more powerful character, or do we only use the good showing of the character you want?

Being a hypocrite isn't very Christlike, but you do it so well.

LMAO! I didn't realize there was bad blood between you two.

Are y'all going to pull an srankmissingnin vs OneDumbG0?

@ C-Master

get'em!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUfGv3_b9O8

i think more often than not most human street levelers are pis covered to an extreme more so than any superhuman high, mid or low meta hero or villain

The same few people who ruin almost every street level thread. I believe something will be done about them very soon.

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