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Lady shiva vs cap who wins???
My moneys on Shiva

Shiva better in skills.... but Cap's overall better and he will win.

i say shiva because even batman has stated she might be the best fighter alive and in the amalgam comics batman beats cap and batman never beat shiva

Don't take crossovers as a fact... crossovers... superman and Bat never loses... cos DC won't let them

Let me put it this way. Can Cap beat Iron Fist in a straight fistfight? Can Cap beat Iron Fist in a fight where he has his shield?

And.........I honestly don't know either way. Just like this fight. Shiva is among the best on DC earth in terms of martial arts. I think it's too hard to call.

To answer ur question...Cap can beat Iron Fist with or without his shield thanks to his sss...unless Iron Fist amps himself.

No. Iron Fist beat Cap, while he was exhausted.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
No. Iron Fist beat Cap, while he was exhausted.
He dident beat capt.

Not sure how IF is relevent, he would destroy Shiva.

Shield or no shield?

Captain America wins shield or not, though he wins a lot more solidly with the shield.

Probably with shield.

If Capt has the shield, I dont really see how anyone could argue shiva the majority.

Is this a dojo type setting?

if not stated, it assumed it a featureless environment

I say Cap ftw. Shiva may be regarded as the most skilled MA on DC Earth, but Cap has also been described as the Marvel Earth's best fighter. So skill wise they're on the same level-but Steve has better stats, because of the SS and this will give him the edge.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
No. Iron Fist beat Cap, while he was exhausted.

No, he didn't.

Originally posted by Silent Master
No, he didn't.


Your right. IIRC Cap had the advantage on Pre-power up Danny. As for this fight I think due to Cap's heavy stat set and high skill set.

Cap 6-7/10.

Cap isnt necessarily a better fighter because shiva actually knows deadly techniques while cap doesnt kill

With or without the shield i say it doesnt matter because shes faced deadly masters and learned new techniques from them one by one while cap remained the same

Originally posted by Radarock1971
With or without the shield i say it doesnt matter because shes faced deadly masters and learned new techniques from them one by one while cap remained the same

by the 'same' i'll just assume you mean 'the best'

Originally posted by Radarock1971
With or without the shield i say it doesnt matter because shes faced deadly masters and learned new techniques from them one by one while cap remained the same

You really think Cap enhanced SSS Mind doesn't let him learn and remains constantly the same. Guy was learning a complete alien art in which Kang stated other other warriors decades to Master.

This is not someone who stays the same and keep's on impressing fighters of Shiva level and impressing them. This is the same to you??

Plus lets not pretend more techniques is the same as better fighter. More knowledgeable yes but Cap isn't like most streets. Enhanced mind, strength, speed which has been compliment ahead of his peers and to being 10 times at that by regulars, as to be even called preternatural at times.

Well then that definitely puts the Super in Super Soldier. Plus on record while Cap is have the advantage at times against Daredevil or Ironfist. Including stalemating Shang Chi himself.

While Shiva either stalemates them or flat out straight up loses.

No by the same i mean a ***** with a shield

Tell me who shiva lost against????

Better question.

When has Shiva ever beaten someone on Cap's level?

Cap'n

well lets see shiva beat the master that trained cat woman
she slso defeated the o sensei who trained richard dragon and bronze tiger
Fought bat man and almost killed him on several occasions
Beat and trained tim drake (robin)
Beat bat girl twice
Killed dozens of martial arts masters
Like i said shiva wins

Ok, now try posting someone on Cap's level.

Originally posted by Radarock1971
well lets see shiva beat the master that trained cat woman
she slso defeated the o sensei who trained richard dragon and bronze tiger
Fought bat man and almost killed him on several occasions
Beat and trained tim drake (robin)
Beat bat girl twice
Killed dozens of martial arts masters
Like i said shiva wins


Seriously a lot of this is "wrong" on Shiva. Big time.

?

Wat is wrong about it?

Other than the fact that Cap would likely beat anyone on the list at least 6/10 in hth?

So your telling me cap can beat the o sensei who trained both of the most formidable martial artists in dc who cap cant beat himself???

You need to read more on shiva before u just say cap is better with no reasoning behind it

You don't have to be a great fighter to train one, just look at boxing or the MMA circut.

Yes i understand what your saying but its different in this case because if im not mistaken he trained them from scratch and taught them everything he knows

So?

So since they knew nothing of fighting before hand and hes trained them from scratch he has to be good and also he has been stated as a master and people have even tried to kidnap him and torture him into revealing his martial arts secrets so with that said hes nice

Radarock1971 do you even read lady shiva. Some of the feats you mentioned Shiva never has done.

It means that he has to be a good teacher, it doesn't mean he's especially skilled at fighting.

"Masters" are a dime a dozen in comics.

Shiva

funny thing is that the "masters" mention havent done anything themselves to place them on equal lvl to their students.

Batman could beat the majority of the masters he trained under in anyone particular field it doesnt mean much to some one like cap.

aside from that the masters that shiva fought during Batman's retraining was old and armless without no feats to his name.

Robin shouldnt even be mention as a feat for her anyways.

What hasnt she done?

Batman can beat them because batman has multiple different masters and knows multiple styles while his masters only knew what they taught

For example batman was trained by black cat in boxing he can beat black cat outside the ring but in the ring when you can only use boxing hes never defeated him

facepalm2

you mean wildcat and you just punched holes in your own argument

also just edit dont spam

Originally posted by Radarock1971
Batman can beat them because batman has multiple different masters and knows multiple styles while his masters only knew what they taught

Are you saying that more styles = more skilled?

Put it this way who do you think will win the person who can only punch or the other who can punch and kick im just saying knowing more styles will give you more options which will help you win

Originally posted by Radarock1971

Fought bat man and almost killed him on several occasions

Beat bat girl twice


Batgirl Cass beat her twice straight up.

She never almost killed Batman. Batman's record is actually pretty darn good considering he stalemated her twice.

Shiva fighting her daughter. Art by Damion Scott.
At age 8, Shiva's daughter Cassandra flees from David Cain, horrified after killing a man with her bare hands on her first assassination. She then wanders the world as a mute, and, seeking redemption, finds herself in Gotham City during the events of No Man's Land. Seeing promise in Cassandra, Batman and former Batgirl, Barbara Gordon, give Cassandra their blessings to take up the mantle of Batgirl.

Eventually, Batgirl's skills attract Shiva's attention. Without telling her of their relationship, Shiva challenges Batgirl to a battle to the death. To Shiva's disappointment, she defeats Batgirl soundly. Batgirl's body language fluency is newly impaired by a telepath's forcible inculcation of the ability to speak. Wanting to fight Batgirl at her peak, Shiva spares her life, and promises to retrain her on the condition that they have a rematch in one year. The secret to being undefeatable, Shiva explains, is to not fear death, even to seek it. Under Shiva's care, Batgirl soon regains her abilities.

Shiva reappears to fight Batgirl at the Forum of The Twelve Caesars, and kills her in combat. Realizing that Batgirl had not given her all, Shiva revives her. Batgirl admits to harboring a death wish ever since Cain first forced her to kill; her ability to perfectly read the agony of her victim had deeply traumatized her. Having overcome her death wish, Batgirl fights Shiva again, shattering her sword. In the midst of battle, Batgirl accuses Shiva of having a death wish herself, really only traveling and fighting in search of her own death. Batgirl thus defeats Shiva.




Number one cass is her daughter so theres no telling if she was going easy or not
Number two she killed her and broughf her back so even if she won later doesnt matter

LOL at you using BG without her skill ability of body reading.

Then by that logic I can say Cass beat her 3 times since she suckered punched her for a KO.

Cass beat Shiva twice with no real hindrance of skill or power set and left her dangling on a hook the second time.

purposely withholding context is what kills a person's credibility

I repeat she couldve left her dead but no she decided to bring her back so everything after is irrelevant once someone kills u and brings u back youve been owned

But it is relevant because Shiva did. If she wouldn't have then you would have a point.

Originally posted by Radarock1971
Put it this way who do you think will win the person who can only punch or the other who can punch and kick im just saying knowing more styles will give you more options which will help you win

So, Batman would have an advantage over Remo Williams in a fight, since Remo only knows one style.

Right?

And i repeat again its her daughter you dnt know how that affected her fighting she couldve been goin a lil easier than she would with any one else

Originally posted by Silent Master
So, Batman would have an advantage over Remo Williams in a fight, since Remo only knows one style.

Right?

Im not sayinf he will win automatically im saying he has a better chance nothing is certain

That same logic could apply to Cass on go easier on her as well. Cap's record is overall greater then Shiva. Even when Cap has been on a disadvantage against his A-list peers, at least he wasn't flat out beat as in KO'ed like Shiva.

Overall record Cap's is better.

Overall stat feats Cap's is better.

Overall skill yeah Shiva has some techniques that are not in Cap's prowess, so I don't mind giving her a skill edge. But Cap is just more effective with his skill IMO due to his tactical nature of adaptability and countering.

Originally posted by Radarock1971
Im not sayinf he will win automatically im saying he has a better chance nothing is certain

IOW, Batman knowing more styles would be an advantage.

Right?

Originally posted by Radarock1971

Fought bat man and almost killed him on several occasions




Again how about this one several occasions?

Originally posted by Silent Master
IOW, Batman knowing more styles would be an advantage.

Right?

If you dnt think knowing different ways of fighting would give you an advantage over someone who only knows one your an idiot

Originally posted by Radarock1971
If you dnt think knowing different ways of fighting would give you an advantage over someone who only knows one your an idiot

Is that a "Yes"?

Rogers.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
That same logic could apply to Cass on go easier on her as well. Cap's record is overall greater then Shiva. Even when Cap has been on a disadvantage against his A-list peers, at least he wasn't flat out beat as in KO'ed like Shiva.

Overall record Cap's is better.

Overall stat feats Cap's is better.

Overall skill yeah Shiva has some techniques that are not in Cap's prowess, so I don't mind giving her a skill edge. But Cap is just more effective with his skill IMO due to his tactical nature of adaptability and countering.


Shiva is just as tactical she might not be on his level since hes a super soldier and all but she can definitely predict what hes gonna do im not saying she can predict all his moves because shes never had to worry about a shield bouncing off something and hitting her from behind but im sure shell adapt to his style of fighting

Originally posted by Silent Master
Is that a "Yes"?

Yes its a yes

Lmao at some of these arguments.

"what has shiva done to put her on Cap level"

How about we reverse that, what has Cap done to put him on Shiva's level, or Batman's for that matter?

Shiva wins (against no shield).

Originally posted by Radarock1971
Yes its a yes

This is where I point out that Remo's one style is Sinanju, ie "the sun source" it is the first martial art and all others are merely diluted imitations.

So no, Batman knowing more styles isn't an advantage.

I'm not sure Shiva can adapt to fighting a guy with skills - even if we give her the benefit of the doubt and claim she's more skilled than Steven, it won't be by a decisive margin - which are top tier as streets go in addition to having the physical means to implement them on the level he can. I don't think Steve steamrolls her, but he's going to win.

With the shield it becomes pretty straight forward.

Originally posted by Radarock1971
Shiva is just as tactical she might not be on his level since hes a super soldier and all but she can definitely predict what hes gonna do im not saying she can predict all his moves because shes never had to worry about a shield bouncing off something and hitting her from behind but im sure shell adapt to his style of fighting


Accept Cap's mind was boosted by the SSS. Guy soaked in 1000 of years of Military strategy on his training days.

Shiva is a prodigy but Cap just seems to hold all the cards over her.

Originally posted by Silent Master
This is where I point out that Remo's one style is Sinanju, ie "the sun source" it is the first martial art and all others are merely diluted imitations.

So no, Batman knowing more styles isn't an advantage.

Number one thats a b.s technicality

Number two we are talking about dc and or marvel here there is no such style your statement is irrelevant

Number three in dc and or marvel the more styles you know the better you are what ever youre gonna try to prove it wrong from make sure its dc not some b.s out side source

Hate to break this to you, but Marvel published A Destroyer(Remo Williams) comic at one point. And his mastery of just "one style" let him do things like run on water, punch through missile silo doors, lift and outrun cars, use pressure points for everything from making people tone-death to losing the use of their arms for years etc etc.

So, like I said, knowing more styles wouldn't be an advantage for Batman or Shiva.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Hate to break this to you, but Marvel published A Destroyer(Remo Williams) comic at one point. And his mastery of just "one style" let him do things like run on water, punch through missile silo doors, lift and outrun cars, use pressure points for everything from making people tone-death to losing the use of their arms for years etc etc.

So, like I said, knowing more styles wouldn't be an advantage for Batman or Shiva.

It has to be relevent for dc not just marvel because your talking about batman not cap

Marvel never had a crisis, so all Remo feats still count....so my example stands.

Originally posted by Radarock1971
Shiva is just as tactical she might not be on his level since hes a super soldier and all but she can definitely predict what hes gonna do im not saying she can predict all his moves because shes never had to worry about a shield bouncing off something and hitting her from behind but im sure shell adapt to his style of fighting

Agreed that Shiva can adapt to Cap's style-but Cap can also adapt to her's.