Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links.

Hey, McDonalds is hiring

Well luckily, everyone who isn't a right wing lunatic is starting to wake up. In several states are already mulling over recalling politicians and general strikes. I'm not a particularly big fan of the results of syndicalism but their tactics are classic. What the hell are the GOP going to do if no one shows up to work? How can the rich bribe senators if they have no access to their money?

Hopefully people will really wake up. We need a lot more than voting the other party in every two years.
The goal of the super rich is wage parity with China, globalization where labor costs the same the world over.

Didn't McDonalds just make the list of one of the best 25 big companies to work for in the world?

Still wouldn't though.

Have passport and ready to relocate........Who will have me?

For goodness sake, at this rate there really will be a revolution in the US.

Where I work is suppose to be one of the big companys to work for and best but I disargee.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
For goodness sake, at this rate there really will be a revolution in the US. No need for that, we just need a very large percentage of working people in this country to not show up for work for awhile. No need for violence. We just need to drive the corporate, financial, and political elite into a state of helplessness before any negotiations can take place. A large scale military desertion in Afghanistan would be nice too and possible considering that they're finding out how bad Wall Street screwed them too.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
No need for that, we just need a very large percentage of working people in this country to not show up for work for awhile. No need for violence. We just need to drive the corporate, financial, and political elite into a state of helplessness before any negotiations can take place. A large scale military desertion in Afghanistan would be nice too and possible considering that they're finding out how bad Wall Street screwed them too.

or

vote for a political party that will increase spending on job creation...

i know, utopian, but...

Originally posted by inimalist
or

vote for a political party that will increase spending on job creation...

i know, utopian, but... As much as I like the Social Democrats USA, they, like many Social Democratic movements are weak and support subversion of the Democratic Party rather than running their own party. As long as there is private money in politics and we live in a society governed by trade agreements where up to 40% of the workforce can be outsourced, no government will make any sincere effort to create jobs like it did in the past. I don't even think the strategic industries thing will convince Republican Hawks because most of their income comes from the Chinese and the Saudis anyway. An ideal situation to come out of the depression and prevent any further economic calamities (not to mention other hardships) would be one where the Democrats are the right party, Democratic Socialists are the left party, Social Democrats are the center party, and the GOP and conservatism in general are crushed. Conservatism is outlived its usefulness during the last Republican Great Depression.
That can't be accomplished with corporate ownership of everything including politicians, ever. If you don't believe me, research the concept of managed democracy. Voting no longer works and Obama is a corrupt pussy who thinks that change is best facilitated by doing nearly nothing for a long period of time. Revolution is a bit much, but demonstrations, organizing major strikes, and hacktivism are appropriate.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
As much as I like the Social Democrats USA, they, like many Social Democratic movements are weak and support subversion of the Democratic Party rather than running their own party. As long as there is private money in politics and we live in a society governed by trade agreements where up to 40% of the workforce can be outsourced, no government will make any sincere effort to create jobs like it did in the past. I don't even think the strategic industries thing will convince Republican Hawks because most of their income comes from the Chinese and the Saudis anyway. An ideal situation to come out of the depression and prevent any further economic calamities (not to mention other hardships) would be one where the Democrats are the right party, Democratic Socialists are the left party, Social Democrats are the center party, and the GOP and conservatism in general are crushed. Conservatism is outlived its usefulness during the last Republican Great Depression.
That can't be accomplished with corporate ownership of everything including politicians, ever. If you don't believe me, research the concept of managed democracy. Voting no longer works and Obama is a corrupt pussy who thinks that change is best facilitated by doing nearly nothing for a long period of time. Revolution is a bit much, but demonstrations, organizing major strikes, and hacktivism are appropriate.

talking about "conservatism" with people from america is always insane...

Canada, Germany, the UK and literally almost every European state manage to have reasonable conservative parties that function well within the confines of socially democratic systems.

I mean, I don't agree with everything the conservative party of canada says, but their policies would be considered well left of even Obama in the states

idk, the GOP certainly influences global "conservatism", but as an idea, and as a balance to just continually growing state power, conservatism has not lost its usefulness. The problem in america is a lack of any balance to "neoconservatism", and no interest in fighting against corporate control of politics, not that there are some people who want small government and individual responsibility.

Its the same reason I think Paul (ron or rand) would make a great leader, only so long as there was an honest and theoretically motivated opposition that forced compromise on the issues where such conservative ideals go nuts.

The government is WE THE PEOPLE so in a liberal democracy, government encroachment shouldn't be a fear. The US lacks Europe's mentality that caring about it's citizens and a strong welfare state is a form of "Radical Insurance". It's give an take. You pay progressively into a pool that affords every citizen a comfortable living and stave off too big of an income inequality gap while stabilizing the economy and in exchange, those citizens refrain from lobbing grenades at you and burning your estate to the ground with your family still inside.
WE'RE IN AN ECONOMIC DEPRESSION, UNEMPLOYMENT IS MORE THAN DOUBLE WHAT IS BEING REPORTED, OUR DOMESTIC CIVIL DEFENSE IS NONEXISTENT, AND WE'VE BEEN FIGHTING TWO UNFUNDED WARS FOR A DECADE.
I see that as perfect rationale for backing out of trade treaties, reorganizing AmeriCorps into the CCC with higher wages and benefits, busting trusts and banks like Teddy Roosevelt on crack, and taxing every single dollar of annual income over $1 million not domestically invested in jobs at 92%. That'll bring jobs back.

except that in practice, government takes power away from individuals and decides what is best for them through regulation. we should be designing a system where the state assists people in no longer needing it, rather than becoming dependent on it. Regardless of the ideology behind it, no centralized power ever represents the wills of those it is supposed to

Not show up for worK?? What work?? lol More than half the people I know are on state assistance. Probably more like 60 percent

I see riots coming soon to a town near you.

edit: Luckily Obama agreed to another year of benefits or there would really have been war. They sent out the National Guard during that voting period just incase it didn't pass.

Originally posted by inimalist
or

vote for a political party that will increase spending on job creation...

i know, utopian, but...

Job creation isn't the issue. As the article points out jobs are being created in the US, companies are turning huge profits, the economy is actually very strong. It essentially just workers that are getting screwed.

Originally posted by inimalist
except that in practice, government takes power away from individuals and decides what is best for them through regulation. we should be designing a system where the state assists people in no longer needing it, rather than becoming dependent on it. Regardless of the ideology behind it, no centralized power ever represents the wills of those it is supposed to That's what social democracy is. The protections of socialism for all individuals, the freedoms of a regulated, capitalist market economy, strong labor unions, and the nationalization of only those industries that cannot efficiently work as for-profit corporations without significant government assistance or horrible neglect of its customers (healthcare, banking, airlines, railroads, utilities, internet, etc.).

How many part-time jobs must one have in order to pay your rent and bills?

Answer: 2-3

Time to take a blue pill.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
That's what social democracy is. The protections of socialism for all individuals, the freedoms of a regulated, capitalist market economy, strong labor unions, and the nationalization of only those industries that cannot efficiently work as for-profit corporations without significant government assistance or horrible neglect of its customers (healthcare, banking, airlines, railroads, utilities, internet, etc.).

A really great point. As pointed out:

Originally posted by inimalist
talking about "conservatism" with people from america is always insane...

you can't really have a conversation with an American about social democracy. Most Americans are too busy flipping out over socialism to A) know what it means or implies & B) how much of what goes on here in the US is already socialism.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
How many part-time jobs must one have in order to pay your rent and bills?

Answer: 2-3

Time to take a blue pill.

I have one part time job and I am trying to get thirty hours but that is not happening.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
That's what social democracy is. The protections of socialism for all individuals, the freedoms of a regulated, capitalist market economy, strong labor unions, and the nationalization of only those industries that cannot efficiently work as for-profit corporations without significant government assistance or horrible neglect of its customers (healthcare, banking, airlines, railroads, utilities, internet, etc.).

well, fine, I'm not a social democrat though. I don't see the state giving itself the power to run people's lives a good thing, even if they are doing it for benevolent reasons

an example would be like: the issue of whether health care should be state run or private is a red herring. Either way, what we need is affordable and accessible health care that serves the needs of the citizens. In the modern American model, sure, some degree of state regulation is probably needed to make the system work, but there is no reason why state control is necessary if the economy allows for affordable health care (it isn't prohibitively expensive and people's wages are enough to cover the expenses), and in fact, I'd argue that it is undesirable in an ideal system

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Job creation isn't the issue. As the article points out jobs are being created in the US, companies are turning huge profits, the economy is actually very strong. It essentially just workers that are getting screwed.

ah, fair enough. My point is that investment in certain manufacturing sectors (among others) is likely to increase the number of good paying jobs

Originally posted by skekUng
you can't really have a conversation with an American about social democracy. Most Americans are too busy flipping out over socialism to A) know what it means or implies & B) how much of what goes on here in the US is already socialism.

I'm not sure if I would call it "socialism" so much as "corruption", as there is little to no social value to corporate/government collusion

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
For goodness sake, at this rate there really will be a revolution in the US.

"That means only 6 percent of productivity gains were shared with workers. In past recoveries, that figure has averaged 58 percent. This time around, far more of the gains went to shareholders, in the form of profits, which are at record levels."

And this is where it starts.