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Okay, so I was recently watching the Matrix movies and began wondering what it would be like it the the machines tried to take over the earth in the Marvel & DC Universes. Would they succeed. Let's say that these guys team up to accomplish an earthly takeover.

Phalanx Ultron
Brainiac
Hank Henshaw w/ rings
Nimrod
Super Amazo
Super Adaptoid
Master Mold
Metallo

Team has 1 year to prep. They can use any resources at their disposal and can recruit/takeover any other machines/tech to their team if possible.

For sake of this thread. Marvel & DC earths have merged into 1 giant earth.

What happens.

I say that this Earth wins, because they have two major aces on their sleeves that machines won't be able to overcome:

Massives Brains, and Magic.

While Brainiac and Ultron and pure geniuses, humanity have the likes of Reed Richards, Doctor Doom, Bruce Banner, Hank Pym (you know, the creator of that guy Ultron?), Lex Luthor, Tony Stark, Bruce Wayne, etc, etc. Alone, Richards and Doom would be unstoppable. With those ones to back them up, it clearly seal the deal.

But even before the big brains enter in action, you have powerful magic users right there to ****ed up big time the machines. With Fate, Strange, Zatanna, Alan Scott, Son of Satan and the others, only Adaptoid and Amazo has a chance, and that's if BFR can't be used, because if it can be, this fight will last one hour at best.

They'll lose. I don't know how much damage they'll do, but they'll lose. Amazo has the potential to force high abstract interference needed for a win.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
They'll lose. I don't know how much damage they'll do, but they'll lose. Amazo has the potential to force high abstract interference needed for a win.

With bfr, Strange can send Amazo to his patrons, the Vishantis, and Richards can probably ship it to Surfer and his boss. So there's that.

Amazo copied the Worlogog. Introducing Amazo to gigantic sources of power is a VERY VERY BAD idea.

How close can they come to succeding with a year prep. I think they can do a lot of damage with a year of prep and the element of surprise. I think that with Ultron and Brainiac it would be possible for them to replicate Amazos powers and with Master Mold they could mass produce millions of super powered sentinels.

magic, probabilty benders, reality warpers (current legion could solo), etc. earth wins.

Unfortunately, Amazo can copy almost all of them.

Originally posted by byrdgang21
Phalanx Ultron
Brainiac
Hank Henshaw w/ rings
Nimrod
Super Amazo
Super Adaptoid
Master Mold
Metallo

they will never cooperate with each other, most of them would attempt to override the rest

while the bots have a civil war for the entire prep year, batman, pym, and all the other the big brains decide to colony drop antarctic vibranium on all of them.

and magneto styles on some of them

emp?

Doom solos.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
I say that this Earth wins, because they have two major aces on their sleeves that machines won't be able to overcome:

Massives Brains, and Magic.

While Brainiac and Ultron and pure geniuses, humanity have the likes of Reed Richards, Doctor Doom, Bruce Banner, Hank Pym (you know, the creator of that guy Ultron?), Lex Luthor, Tony Stark, Bruce Wayne, etc, etc. Alone, Richards and Doom would be unstoppable. With those ones to back them up, it clearly seal the deal.

But even before the big brains enter in action, you have powerful magic users right there to ****ed up big time the machines. With Fate, Strange, Zatanna, Alan Scott, Son of Satan and the others, only Adaptoid and Amazo has a chance, and that's if BFR can't be used, because if it can be, this fight will last one hour at best.

If Earth knew of the attack then they would have a chance but it's an entire year of prep for the techno lords the amass enough resources to take out the big guns within the first hour of their conquest. How does Doom, Reed, Banner, or Hank counter their tech going self destruct on them?

Recall when IM had his entire body morphed into Ultron? Doom is getting his armor hacked by Ultron whole simply warp and crush Doom inside his armor. Ultron was taking over other techs within seconds. Backed by Brainiac, even Doom wouldn't know what happened. Likely the first target due to being Doom and his time platform.

Reed, Pym, and Banner all rely on tech that could easily be hacked and used on them off the bat within minutes as well. Their most immediate techs around them would turn into Phalanxes and kill them on the spot.

As for the mages, how do they fare against nukes that detonate about two blocks from their vicinity without any warnings? I'll take a wild guess and say most of them die. And no, I wouldn't say it'd be a problem for Brainiac to teleport well placed hidden nukes to take out the mages.

All of Earth's tech including the Fortress of Solitude, Batcave, Four Freedoms Plaza, Latvia, the Infinity Mansion, Banner Tech, etc. would be targeted for assimilation as weapons against their creators and the mages. The telepathics are likely useless against the fodders of Earth bot soldiers.

If everyone is forgetting, here's some feats that would be evidence for the machines easily winning this.

Female Ultron easily took over all of Earth's tech and raped IM in minutes.
Phalanx Ultron have no trouble overwhelming an entire race of Phalanx to his will.
Hank Pym fearing Ultron's access to his Infinite Mansion would give him access to attack anywhere in space. Pym's entire mansion and army of Jocasta were taken hold.
Brainiac taking ahold of War World.
Nimrod successfully putting Juggernaut in place using tight and sonic beams on the guy.

The mages are eating nukes for the most part. And if it came down to it, it wouldn't be hard to imagine the bots building a spire or turning satellites into neuro-disruptors based on Nimrod's weapon.


As soon as this fight starts, the big guns are all targeted wiped out while the rest of the heroes get their brains scrambled and all their techs forming into Phalanxes and killing them.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
If Earth knew of the attack then they would have a chance but it's an entire year of prep for the techno lords the amass enough resources to take out the big guns within the first hour of their conquest. How does Doom, Reed, Banner, or Hank counter their tech going self destruct on them?

Recall when IM had his entire body morphed into Ultron? Doom is getting his armor hacked by Ultron whole simply warp and crush Doom inside his armor. Ultron was taking over other techs within seconds. Backed by Brainiac, even Doom wouldn't know what happened. Likely the first target due to being Doom and his time platform.

Reed, Pym, and Banner all rely on tech that could easily be hacked and used on them off the bat within minutes as well. Their most immediate techs around them would turn into Phalanxes and kill them on the spot.

As for the mages, how do they fare against nukes that detonate about two blocks from their vicinity without any warnings? I'll take a wild guess and say most of them die. And no, I wouldn't say it'd be a problem for Brainiac to teleport well placed hidden nukes to take out the mages.

All of Earth's tech including the Fortress of Solitude, Batcave, Four Freedoms Plaza, Latvia, the Infinity Mansion, Banner Tech, etc. would be targeted for assimilation as weapons against their creators and the mages. The telepathics are likely useless against the fodders of Earth bot soldiers.

If everyone is forgetting, here's some feats that would be evidence for the machines easily winning this.

Female Ultron easily took over all of Earth's tech and raped IM in minutes.
Phalanx Ultron have no trouble overwhelming an entire race of Phalanx to his will.
Hank Pym fearing Ultron's access to his Infinite Mansion would give him access to attack anywhere in space. Pym's entire mansion and army of Jocasta were taken hold.
Brainiac taking ahold of War World.
Nimrod successfully putting Juggernaut in place using tight and sonic beams on the guy.

The mages are eating nukes for the most part. And if it came down to it, it wouldn't be hard to imagine the bots building a spire or turning satellites into neuro-disruptors based on Nimrod's weapon.


As soon as this fight starts, the big guns are all targeted wiped out while the rest of the heroes get their brains scrambled and all their techs forming into Phalanxes and killing them.

Good post.

Which version of Brainiac?

They'd have a good chance of taking over with a year of planning. They know all the big guns and they have guys like Amazo who can secretly copy the powers of a number of key heavy hitters.

The group can then adapt their technology in parallel to the level of augmentation of Amazo. And finally, they have the resources to easily multiply themselves digitally as well as physically with hardware.

They have every chance.

Grundy beats the crap out of Amazo. chaos magic ftw.

Trick vs Shoko would be entertaining but Trick would own that clowns ass though.

Grundy already defeated Amazo by absorbing it's powers.

The machines kill, kill and kill some more. Then they combine like a transformer and eat galactus.

All in all they take out Marvel and DC earth.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
The machines kill, kill and kill some more. Then they combine like a transformer and eat galactus.

All in all they take out Marvel and DC earth.

aren't the infinity gems still on marvel earth? you could take out this entire team with the time or space gems and be nowhere near Amazo or Adaptoid to allow them to copy it.

Worst case scenario: Sir James Jasper takes the win for his team.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Worst case scenario: Sir James Jasper takes the win for his team.

So this assumes that they bots would recruit Fury on their side.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
So this assumes that they bots would recruit Fury on their side.

Fury is part of MJJ now.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Fury is part of MJJ now.

so what's to say MJJ won't just kill every body? What's this team thing to Mad Jim Jasper?

so mjj is out, legion does them in just the same, or franklin.

Originally posted by 753
so mjj is out, legion does them in just the same, or franklin.

Except for the one year prep thing where they could just attack Doom and take his time machine. The Techno Lords all jump back in time before Legion and Franklin existed and kill their parents. From that timeline, the Bots spread out and incorporate their future tech the past tech and again take over Earth with the same strategy as above. In fact with Henshaw and Ultron's ability to warp tech and alloy, the can build an army in hours or at most days. They still have access to the Fortress of Solitudes tech, Batcave, Cerebro, Nimrod's future tech, and Brainiac's vast database of knowledge. The create a new timeline where the machines win. The old timeline becomes an alternate timeline.

The machines still take this. The machines are too smart not to do something like this.

Whats to stop amazo from copying frank?

Originally posted by Sirius77
Whats to stop amazo from copying frank?

Franklin would murder Amazo before Amazo understand wtf is happening. And if this don't do it, then Jamie Bradrock wins it for Earth.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Except for the one year prep thing where they could just attack Doom and take his time machine. The Techno Lords all jump back in time before Legion and Franklin existed and kill their parents. From that timeline, the Bots spread out and incorporate their future tech the past tech and again take over Earth with the same strategy as above. In fact with Henshaw and Ultron's ability to warp tech and alloy, the can build an army in hours or at most days. They still have access to the Fortress of Solitudes tech, Batcave, Cerebro, Nimrod's future tech, and Brainiac's vast database of knowledge. The create a new timeline where the machines win. The old timeline becomes an alternate timeline.

The machines still take this. The machines are too smart not to do something like this.

I assume the year prep means they have a year to prepare, then they can actually attack the Earth, so they can't just kill all the heavy hitters in that year and attack an undefended Earth.

Either way, taking over Doom's armour would not be as easy as you're making it out to be. Admittedly from purely a tech point of view one of the high end technopaths could do it, except for the fact Doom has (iirc) a number of magical safeguards and protections worked into his armour.

And although the machine are smart, there are still a huge number of incredibly powerful beings on MU/DC Earth which they will not be able to counter easily.

High end reality warpers/Molecule Man/hundreds of gods etc.

Sure it could be argued Amazo instantly appears and adapts to their powers, but a number of them will be incredibly difficult to locate, especially if they realise they're being targeted.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Franklin would murder Amazo before Amazo understand wtf is happening. And if this don't do it, then Jamie Bradrock wins it for Earth.

I'm certain he would murder amazo if he confronted him in battle. However, I don't see amazo confronting franklin, I see him passively copying his powers. In all seriousness, iirc, all he has to do is look at him.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
I assume the year prep means they have a year to prepare, then they can actually attack the Earth, so they can't just kill all the heavy hitters in that year and attack an undefended Earth.

Either way, taking over Doom's armour would not be as easy as you're making it out to be. Admittedly from purely a tech point of view one of the high end technopaths could do it, except for the fact Doom has (iirc) a number of magical safeguards and protections worked into his armour.

His armor has magical encantations that protect it for alloy manipulation? When did this happen? Henshaw and Phalanx Ultron can warp the metal on his armor to crush him.




Which all each eat we placed nukes teleported or planted thanks to Brainiac. Within the first few weeks, Batman's database, the Fortress of Solitude, and Cerebro are all used to locate these beings. Then for the rest of the year they'll develop a strategies to counter all of them, including neutralizing their powers.



Which gods reside on Earth? MM can have his powers stolen by Brainiac. They would need to just steal Doom's tech, not hard these guys.



Cerebro, Batcave, Doctor Doom's database, etc. They have a year to do this, it's a long time for Bots that can instantenous take over non-sentient machines.

And if they ran through databases of past history, they could reassemble Archenemy.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Except for the one year prep thing where they could just attack Doom and take his time machine. The Techno Lords all jump back in time before Legion and Franklin existed and kill their parents. From that timeline, the Bots spread out and incorporate their future tech the past tech and again take over Earth with the same strategy as above.


Except Franklin Richards is a precog and can predict future events. Events such as ultron and brainiac **planning** to travel back in time.

Psylocke is also a precog.

You give Amazo a year to jack the powers of abstracts, skyfathers, his team, etc.

Amazo alone is rediculous. It's going to take the LT interfering to stop this. Assuming Amazo doesn't copy him, since Protege did it.

Psylocke? WTF?

Chaos magic Grundy can take care of Amazo.

Assuming Grundy can take of Amazo (which is wishful thinking) Grundy himself gets rage-stomped by people like Ultron and Henshaw.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Psylocke? WTF?

yeah

Originally posted by shokosugi
yeah

That's such a random psychic/pre-cog character to name drop, though, lol.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Assuming Grundy can take of Amazo (which is wishful thinking) Grundy himself gets rage-stomped by people like Ultron and Henshaw.

Grundy with chaos magic already defeated Amazo. Amazo's powers didnt work against him.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
That's such a random psychic/pre-cog character to name drop, though, lol.

I don't know any other precogs other than franklin richards and psylocke.

maybe phoenix??

Originally posted by shokosugi
I don't know of any other precogs other than franklin richards and psylocke.

maybe phoenix??

Silver Surfer is also omniscient. can't he see through time..the future, etc.?

Originally posted by shokosugi
I don't know any other precogs other than franklin richards and psylocke.

maybe phoenix??

X-Man.

^ What's he even up to nowadays?

right i forgot about Nate Grey.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
^ What's he even up to nowadays?

DnA (Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning) will be the new creative force behind New Mutants. And this is what they had to say about X-Man.





X-Man is also scheduled to appear on some more X-Titles, outside of New Mutants. Hopefully they can make X-Man out to be the go to guy, when things get heavy.

Ah, cool. Thanks, Id

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
If Earth knew of the attack then they would have a chance but it's an entire year of prep for the techno lords the amass enough resources to take out the big guns within the first hour of their conquest. How does Doom, Reed, Banner, or Hank counter their tech going self destruct on them?

Recall when IM had his entire body morphed into Ultron? Doom is getting his armor hacked by Ultron whole simply warp and crush Doom inside his armor. Ultron was taking over other techs within seconds. Backed by Brainiac, even Doom wouldn't know what happened. Likely the first target due to being Doom and his time platform.

Reed, Pym, and Banner all rely on tech that could easily be hacked and used on them off the bat within minutes as well. Their most immediate techs around them would turn into Phalanxes and kill them on the spot.

As for the mages, how do they fare against nukes that detonate about two blocks from their vicinity without any warnings? I'll take a wild guess and say most of them die. And no, I wouldn't say it'd be a problem for Brainiac to teleport well placed hidden nukes to take out the mages.

All of Earth's tech including the Fortress of Solitude, Batcave, Four Freedoms Plaza, Latvia, the Infinity Mansion, Banner Tech, etc. would be targeted for assimilation as weapons against their creators and the mages. The telepathics are likely useless against the fodders of Earth bot soldiers.

If everyone is forgetting, here's some feats that would be evidence for the machines easily winning this.

Female Ultron easily took over all of Earth's tech and raped IM in minutes.
Phalanx Ultron have no trouble overwhelming an entire race of Phalanx to his will.
Hank Pym fearing Ultron's access to his Infinite Mansion would give him access to attack anywhere in space. Pym's entire mansion and army of Jocasta were taken hold.
Brainiac taking ahold of War World.
Nimrod successfully putting Juggernaut in place using tight and sonic beams on the guy.

The mages are eating nukes for the most part. And if it came down to it, it wouldn't be hard to imagine the bots building a spire or turning satellites into neuro-disruptors based on Nimrod's weapon.


As soon as this fight starts, the big guns are all targeted wiped out while the rest of the heroes get their brains scrambled and all their techs forming into Phalanxes and killing them.

++++++++++++

I absolutely agree with this post, HOWEVER, Earth has a big, big, big, POWERFUL trump card on their side: The Molecule Man...

If he isnt jobbing, he single handedly defeats all of the tech guys in seconds...and they would be completely helpless to stop him.

What if Amazo copies him?

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
His armor has magical encantations that protect it for alloy manipulation? When did this happen? Henshaw and Phalanx Ultron can warp the metal on his armor to crush him.




Which all each eat we placed nukes teleported or planted thanks to Brainiac. Within the first few weeks, Batman's database, the Fortress of Solitude, and Cerebro are all used to locate these beings. Then for the rest of the year they'll develop a strategies to counter all of them, including neutralizing their powers.



Which gods reside on Earth? MM can have his powers stolen by Brainiac. They would need to just steal Doom's tech, not hard these guys.



Cerebro, Batcave, Doctor Doom's database, etc. They have a year to do this, it's a long time for Bots that can instantenous take over non-sentient machines.

And if they ran through databases of past history, they could reassemble Archenemy.

Dam...

Just saw this post...

With 1 years prep, and minus PIS, the machines/technopaths can definitely win this...

I am on your side now WWK; how can the machines be stopped!?

You'd need Franklin Richards preping via being a precog, but that defies the rules of this encounter as only the machines have prep time...

So yeah, minus PIS, Earth falls....

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
What if Amazo copies him?

A "win at all costs" Owen reduces Amazo (as well as the rest of the machines/technopaths) into subatomic particles before any of them can bat an eye...

But if you introduce time travel into the equation (with Brainiac coordinating the effort), then the tech guys take this...

Give Amazo a year, he'll probably copy Owen. Now what?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Give Amazo a year, he'll probably copy Owen. Now what?

IF they passe Owen, MJJ, Jamie Bradrock and Franklin Richards, they have to still pass the toys in the closet of Reed Richards, one of them is the Celestial Nullifer and another one is the Ultimate Nullifer. And if that don't do, they can go infinity gem on their ass. The end.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Dam...

Just saw this post...

With 1 years prep, and minus PIS, the machines/technopaths can definitely win this...

I am on your side now WWK; how can the machines be stopped!?

You'd need Franklin Richards preping via being a precog, but that defies the rules of this encounter as only the machines have prep time...

So yeah, minus PIS, Earth falls....

Franklin doesn't need prep time to see the future.

So franklin tells dr. strange what's going to happen, dr. strange travels ***further*** back in time and wipes ultron, brainiac, etc. from existence.

Toys which could be hacked, though.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
IF they passe Owen, MJJ, Jamie Bradrock and Franklin Richards, they have to still pass the toys in the closet of Reed Richards, one of them is the Celestial Nullifer and another one is the Ultimate Nullifer. And if that don't do, they can go infinity gem on their ass. The end.

Copied, copied, copied, copied, might work but not sure, might work.

Amazo could potentially copy the gems and the IG itself.

If within the year of prep Amazon copies absolutely every high end reality warper then the machines can take this, but it's essentially a stomp if Amazo is copying nigh omnipotents for an entire year.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Copied, copied, copied, copied, might work but not sure, might work.

Amazo could potentially copy the gems and the IG itself.

Unless they use the IG to go back in time, before Amazo see the IG, and just transform him into god-knows-what. And taking out his power.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Unless they use the IG to go back in time, before Amazo see the IG, and just transform him into god-knows-what. And taking out his power.

Isn't it still impossible to assemble the IG due to the Tribunal?

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Isn't it still impossible to assemble the IG due to the Tribunal?

It would need only the Power Gem, the Time Gem and the Reality Gem.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Unless they use the IG to go back in time, before Amazo see the IG, and just transform him into god-knows-what. And taking out his power. Do you have any idea how much of a temporal cluster**** that is? Not to mention given what Amazo did with the Worlogog, it might not be possible to depower him. Not unless LT steps in.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Do you have any idea how much of a temporal cluster**** that is? Not to mention given what Amazo did with the Worlogog, it might not be possible to depower him. Not unless LT steps in.

If Amazo don't see the gems, the gems would be the highest power bare the LT itself. It would do a temporal cluster****, yeah, but better that than die, right? :P

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Unless they use the IG to go back in time, before Amazo see the IG, and just transform him into god-knows-what. And taking out his power.

Franklin + Dr. Doom/Strange can do that without the IG.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
IF they passe Owen, MJJ, Jamie Bradrock and Franklin Richards,

That entire group is negated by this following line of yours.



The machines are given a year of prep. As soon as Reed's tech and database are compromised, everything that Reed has hidden - including these and his Galactus Buster - will be revealed. Guess who the machines will target once they discover this? I'd wager the machines can take these items and still manipulate Reed's security in a normal state as if nothing was taken. As soon as the fight starts, the machines would nullify every meta human on Earth. Those databases of metas are going to be exceptionally useful for Brainiac to target for nullification as he hits the trigger.

As for the IG, I gonna make wild guess (not really) and say Reed, IM, and Doom have files on that particular item. The machines will get their hands on that as well or target it for nullification at the start of the fight.

Originally posted by shokosugi
I don't know any other precogs other than franklin richards and psylocke.

maybe phoenix?? blindfold

Yo.

Originally posted by shokosugi
Grundy beats the crap out of Amazo. chaos magic ftw.

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Originally posted by shokosugi
Grundy already defeated Amazo by absorbing it's powers.

using feats from a tv show to make a judgement that would occur in a comic book isnt valid by the rules I dont think, and more to the point Grundy didnt "beat the crap out of" Amazo, nor did he "defeats Amazo by absorbing its powers".

as for this scenario: T1 takes this given they have a years worth of prep & being able to recruit/hijack any other tech they need.




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