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lawlz.

Henshaws a supreme technopath, and nearly everything about NP is technology driven save for the nova force matrix itself, so you do the math. Not to mention dude basically has most of Supermans strengths and virtually none of his weaknesses. Not a good match for Rich. Henshaw 8/10. I'll give Nova 2 only because history shows he'd pull some wins out of his ass somehow.

Then again an amped Ultron didn't even attempt to take control of Worldmind/Rich...

Henshaw. ermm

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Then again an amped Ultron didn't even attempt to take control of Worldmind/Rich... True. You prolly know more about Cyborg then I do. How do you see it?

Avg NP loses.
NP with little Nova force fail safes takes it..

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Avg NP loses.
NP with little Nova force fail safes takes it.. Uh oh. Celey I'm trying to keep it civil man. Now you're really gonna piss them off lol!

Originally posted by dmills
Uh oh. Celey I'm trying to keep it civil man. Now you're really gonna piss them off lol!

He smacked around a whole team of alternate reality Avengers (Revengers) that included evil versions of Thor,Quasar, Ms. Marvel, and Giant Man, plus....
:-D

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He smacked around a whole team of alternate reality Avengers (Revengers) that included evil versions of Thor,Quasar, Ms. Marvel, and Giant Man, plus....
:-D Oh no. Now you're bringing Thor into this? You know that any mere mention of the name summons him. Now we're really phucked lmao!

Alternate reality avengers werent mid-high herald level though Surfer one shot a few of them easily

Originally posted by iceman24567
Alternate reality avengers werent mid-high herald level though Surfer one shot a few of them easily It's a pretty good feat considering he put them down permanently inside of the cancerverse. Previously only Thanos pulled it off. But having said that, it was pretty out of character for him to channel that much nova force so I'm not sure what forum rules say about that.

Wouldn't do any good. You can't kill Henshaw like that. Also, regarding this thing where Boodikka killed his astral side: I call bullshit. I think he's biding his time to launch a takeover from within.

I'm betting that it wont be that easy for Henshaw's technopathy to mess with NP's defenses..

...........He's taken control of a section of the Source Wall. Gimmie a break.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
...........He's taken control of a section of the Source Wall. Gimmie a break. He does that kind of thing on average?

Originally posted by dmills
He does that kind of thing on average? He doesn't regularly encounter the source wall, no.

He has though, and that should be taken into account.

Originally posted by Existere
He doesn't regularly encounter the source wall, no.

He has though, and that should be taken into account.

Pretty much. I've never seen him fail to take over technology.

@ existere

I hear you. But its a pretty high end feat isn't it? It has to be quantified in some way.

@tricky

And nothing has been able to takeover the Worldmind so we have a stalemate here. The WM/Nova has resisted Ego the living planet, the phalanx, uber nano tech, magical possession etc.

Didn't Hank also take control over New Gods tech. New Gods tech is also living tech, just not your average tech.

He's jacked planets, Apokoliptian tech, Kryptonian tech, Oan tech, Manhunter tech, JLA tech, Warworld, New Genesis tech, etc. I consider him a better technopath than everyone you just named. Especially considering most of them would fail at the stuff Henshaw has jacked.

NP 7/10

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
He's jacked planets, Apokoliptian tech, Kryptonian tech, Oan tech, Manhunter tech, JLA tech, Warworld, New Genesis tech, etc. I consider him a better technopath than everyone you just named. Especially considering most of them would fail at the stuff Henshaw has jacked.

He's probably the best technopath in comics. I can't really think of anyone better.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
He's jacked planets, Apokoliptian tech, Kryptonian tech, Oan tech, Manhunter tech, JLA tech, Warworld, New Genesis tech, etc. I consider him a better technopath than everyone you just named. Especially considering most of them would fail at the stuff Henshaw has jacked. The Sphinx -a Skyfather level reality/space/time manipulator with high end magic got blasted away trying to jack the worldmind. And on more then one occasion at that. Not to mention the fact that the WM isn't housed inside of Nova anymore anyway. The current iteration of The Worldmind APPEARS to be housed in its own "pocket dimension" or "tesseract" (to use novaverse terminology).

Henshaws only chance imo is that the WM apparenly needs a mode of transportation (when its not in a heavily fortified area such as the Orienta shard) to move the tesseract to safety (when the WM is threatened) and a "gateway" to interface with the corporeal world outside its own pocket dimension. When on the Orienta Shard, it was shown to have some sort of technological interface - a "mirror-like" gateway (which also appeared in some of the Ego issues). When in Rider, Rider became the transport method and interface. At Project Pegasus, a quantum computer mainframe was the interface. Then, Ego became the transport method/interface. Now, the Resolute Duty is the interface and transport method etc. Actually, come to think of it, no one knows where the hell the WM is right now. It vanished when Dick got trapped in the cancerverse.

The Sphinx aint Hank. But at least we agree, Hank wins.

Sphinx's power fluctuates. 2nd, Henshaw has better feats when it comes to this.

Rider is still using technology, therefore he's vulnerable, even if the worldmind's main body isn't.

With or without the ability to jack the Worldmind, how do people think Nova will beat Hank?

And don't say contain him. Only Darkseid has ever managed to do that.

hank henshaw 10/10 IMO.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
He's jacked planets, Apokoliptian tech, Kryptonian tech, Oan tech, Manhunter tech, JLA tech, Warworld, New Genesis tech, etc. I consider him a better technopath than everyone you just named. Especially considering most of them would fail at the stuff Henshaw has jacked.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
He's probably the best technopath in comics. I can't really think of anyone better.

thumbsup

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Sphinx's power fluctuates. 2nd, Henshaw has better feats when it comes to this.

Rider is still using technology, therefore he's vulnerable, even if the worldmind's main body isn't.

His power doesn't fluctuate, he's just a cis riddled jobber plain and simple.


Exactly why I gave Henshaw a healthy majority. 8/10 I believe.

Originally posted by -Pr-
With or without the ability to jack the Worldmind, how do people think Nova will beat Hank? Don't know. What's Henshaw got outside of the technopathy? Supes powerset?

Originally posted by dmills
Don't know. What's Henshaw got outside of the technopathy? Supes powerset?

generally yes.

And access to every technology I named. He can literally pull weapons out of his ass. Not to mention his ability to alter his physiology and matter manipulate his form.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
And access to every technology I named. He can literally pull weapons out of his ass. Not to mention his ability to alter his physiology and matter manipulate his form. Is he pretty resistant to energy leeching?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
...........He's taken control of a section of the Source Wall. Gimmie a break.


Give you a break? He was stuck there for a while and it doesnt help that the Source Wall didn't actually "defend itself" did it? Nova Prime with Worldmind would defend from it.

What if Nova gives Henshaw some of his own medicine?

Takes dominion over a small army of future tech robots.
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Nova_18_020.jpg
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Nova Prime somehow hacks into Annihilus and his hive mind which then cripples his invading armada for a time.
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Annihalation-Nova04page21.jpg
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Cyborg Supes isn't the only here who can manipulate advanced tech.

Originally posted by dmills
Is he pretty resistant to energy leeching? Superman Blue tried it, didn't work very well. Not sure who else has.

Celeyhyga: Hank's feats shit on those. Seriously, considering the tech he's grabbed, there's nothing you can find that will put Rider over hank.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Superman Blue tried it, didn't work very well. Not sure who else has.

Celeyhyga: Hank's feats shit on those. Seriously, considering the tech he's grabbed, there's nothing you can find that will put Rider over hank.


Feats of technopathy? maybe so... But wut will Henshaw do to NP to beat him? You haven't showed anything.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=463599&pagenumber=1

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Ultron and the phalanx are not nearly the masters of technopathy that Hank is. Hacking new god tech puts him far above them.

Which example of him being pounded by GLs are you refering to? As for death, no one has killed him.....ever. He can't be killed by destroying his body no matter how many times you do it.

Hank also has pulled weapons on the fly to depower foes. Not to mention wrecking teams far stronger than any teams Ryder has faced. And let's not get into the fact that Henshaw has access to Sin Corp and GL rings and technology. Or that he can make them on the fly. He was brought back to life by the manhunters when his body was destroyed in scorps war. I

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Ultron and the phalanx are not nearly the masters of technopathy that Hank is. How do you quantify that? The phalanx take over entire worlds and their inhabitants. For example, it took over an entire solar system in a few minutes.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_1300080377938.jpghttp://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_1300080396129.jpghttp://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_1300080411406.jpg

People are leaving out the storyline in the gl instance.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/1469/greenlanternv4013page18bo1.th.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/6291/greenlanternv415page01gs1.th.jpghttp://img253.imageshack.us/img253/1293/greenlanternsinestrocords5.th.jpghttp://img253.imageshack.us/img253/8025/greenlanternsinestrocoriy0.th.jpghttp://img253.imageshack.us/img253/4159/greenlanternsinestrocorea2.th.jpg

Hal and the other lanterns were amped 100x their original strength in the scenario in which they harmed henshaw. Unless you're talking about a separate instance...

Either way, henshaw wins.

Originally posted by Sirius77
People are leaving out the storyline in the gl instance.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/1469/greenlanternv4013page18bo1.th.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/6291/greenlanternv415page01gs1.th.jpghttp://img253.imageshack.us/img253/1293/greenlanternsinestrocords5.th.jpghttp://img253.imageshack.us/img253/8025/greenlanternsinestrocoriy0.th.jpghttp://img253.imageshack.us/img253/4159/greenlanternsinestrocorea2.th.jpg

Hal and the other lanterns were amped 100x their original strength in the scenario in which they harmed henshaw. Unless you're talking about a separate instance...

Either way, henshaw wins.

the amp was to destroy the planet. hal was hurting him before that when he was destroying his body. its just a case of destroying his entire body that becomes a problem.

Originally posted by dmills
How do you quantify that? The phalanx take over entire worlds and their inhabitants. For example, it took over an entire solar system in a few minutes.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_1300080377938.jpghttp://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_1300080396129.jpghttp://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_1300080411406.jpg

Phalanx transmode virus can also restore Celestial tech.

Originally posted by Sirius77
People are leaving out the storyline in the gl instance.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/1469/greenlanternv4013page18bo1.th.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/6291/greenlanternv415page01gs1.th.jpghttp://img253.imageshack.us/img253/1293/greenlanternsinestrocords5.th.jpghttp://img253.imageshack.us/img253/8025/greenlanternsinestrocoriy0.th.jpghttp://img253.imageshack.us/img253/4159/greenlanternsinestrocorea2.th.jpg

Hal and the other lanterns were amped 100x their original strength in the scenario in which they harmed henshaw. Unless you're talking about a separate instance...

Either way, henshaw wins.

I was talking about this scene specifically.
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/9784/greenlanternv4013page11bj7.th.jpg

As for the suits. Those suits powered a GL, to become planet wrekers. Nova Prime has the capacity to wreck a star. I would think Nova could do a tad more damage than Arisia.

who wins, id? id go with hank.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
who wins, id? id go with hank.

I overall I favor Cyborg Superman.

Originally posted by "Id"
I was talking about this scene specifically.
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/9784/greenlanternv4013page11bj7.th.jpg

As for the suits. Those suits powered a GL, to become planet wrekers. Nova Prime has the capacity to wreck a star. I would think Nova could do a tad more damage than Arisia. I would think Nova couldn't do more damage than a bloodlusted Guardian trying to vaporize Henshaw, no? Or wait, am I distracting your "I use the highest for Nova and lowest for Henshaw" routine?

Hank

Edit

Hank Henshaw.

Originally posted by "Id"
Of course! He made that feat seem rather mundane considering that Rich was only operating at a fraction of his normal power at the time.

Yo.

when Nova got taken over by the Phallanx, WM was fighting a (slowly but surely) *losing* war of attrition inside, so saying it would hold of HH as if it could do so indefinitely is incorrect, and as for Ultron I tbch dont remember it even trying to do so, so that not really a feat for Rich, nor a slight against that 'bot; it just means the attempt wasnt made.

as for this fight, if HH senses that his suit is tech, he gonna attempt to take it over, but the key factor is:

1) how long would it take him, 2) can WM fight him off, and 3) wat will Rich be able to do in the meanwhile?

Im not sure about #1, #2 doesnt look too viable given past showings, and I dont see much happening in the 3rd scenario.

but in a straight (no taking-the-suit battle), Id give the nudge to HH but its a pretty good fight.




Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

when Nova got taken over by the Phallanx, WM was fighting a (slowly but surely) *losing* war of attrition inside, so saying it would hold of HH as if it could do so indefinitely is incorrect, and as for Ultron I tbch dont remember it even trying to do so, so that not really a feat for Rich, nor a slight against that 'bot; it just means the attempt wasnt made.

as for this fight, if HH senses that his suit is tech, he gonna attempt to take it over, but the key factor is:

1) how long would it take him, 2) can WM fight him off, and 3) wat will Rich be able to do in the meanwhile?

Im not sure about #1, #2 doesnt look too viable given past showings, and I dont see much happening in the 3rd scenario.

When the group of heroes had Ultron on the ropes, he didnt attempt to "take over" NP/WM. Instead he tiok control of the cyborg chic. Praxagora?? This leads me to believe he prolly cant. If it was sooo easy to use "technopathy" on NP, Ultron would not hesitate to control such a vast well of power source like thw Nova force...

but in a straight (no taking-the-suit battle), Id give the nudge to HH but its a pretty good fight.


Accidentally put reply in ure quote..



Tazer

The transmode took over the entire Kree solar system in minutes. That's include the tech. The WM was able to resist for a prolonged period of time even after Rider was infected. That speaks to its defenses against such attacks.

2) It's a moot point since the WM is no longer in Riders head.

Rich has no problem killing a villain if it is a means to an end. With they type of villain Henshaw is(cyborg), I see him holding back even less. I don't think Henshaw has the durability of herald levelers like Supes or Thor. The only way I see him beating NP is through technopathy which I think Nova can defend from or somehow disrupting attacks from the Nova force. Nova's level of gravity manipulation would prolly enable him a forum win against Cyborg Supes. I think Henshaw has to defend from some really powerful gravity attacks just so he won't be torn apart. If Henshaw has the power output to damage Nova, NP can heal and repair on the fly.

Heal/Repair just like that even after surviving a Galactus feeding.
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Nova15Zone-Meganpg08.jpg
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1. Not that long. He's hacked better in less time. 2. No. If he could hack every single major tech power of the DCU, the WM will fail as well. Hell, new god tech is so far beyond everything else in marvel, that for that alone, I'd give him the technopathy edge. 3. Not sure, but considering Surfer crushed him, I don't favor his chances.

And yeah, Hank has hacked and battled at the same time. That's a non-issue for him.

edit: Hmm. That's pretty decent. But....his suit is tech. And Hank can deal more damage over time.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
1. Not that long. He's hacked better in less time. 2. No. If he could hack every single major tech power of the DCU, the WM will fail as well. Hell, new god tech is so far beyond everything else in marvel, that for that alone, I'd give him the technopathy edge. 3. Not sure, but considering Surfer crushed him, I don't favor his chances.

And yeah, Hank has hacked and battled at the same time. That's a non-issue for him.

edit: Hmm. That's pretty decent. But....his suit is tech. And Hank can deal more damage over time.


Surfer is up there I'll give you that. That was a non-fight. He wasnt crushed. It was a scuffle. That version of WM was a worry wort. It was always trying to preserve itself. He is part of NP's failsafe so he wont lose control of the Nova force and go buckwild insane like Super Nova. That WM constanly tried to keep Richie in a calm state and or in as low a dangerous position as possible. One of the ways he did that was advise Rich of how powerful and dangerous a possible opponent was. Basically saying "dont fight him cause theres a chance I'll get hurt". Basically nagging.

Ummm, it was more along the lines of "You're outclassed, do not try to fight him head on."

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Ummm, it was more along the lines of "You're outclassed, do not try to fight him head on."


Thank you for reinforcing my point.

Bump. Oh and hank stomps his ass.