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team dc:
dr fate
zatanna
Morgaine Le Fey
black alice
enchantress
circe
raven
merlin

team marvel:
dr strange
enchantress
loki
dr doom
baron mordo
scarlet witch
wiccan
Morgan Le Fay
brother voodoo

1st battle: current version for all (or their level before they were dead)
2nd battle: dr strange and dr fate at their peak level (so yes classic strange vs pre-crisis fate)

black alice solos

Black Alice is a cheat

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
black alice solos

She can't quite solo- two steals is her limit, plus there's a time limit.


She can hamstring the other team and grant hers the win, though, even with the enemy having an extra person.

Yank Loki and Strange (or SW if she's in her most uber form), and her teammates will really have an edge.

yea shes really lame in any forum fight <_>

Originally posted by Q99
She can't quite solo- two steals is her limit, plus there's a time limit.


She can hamstring the other team and grant hers the win, though, even with the enemy having an extra person.

Yank Loki and Strange (or SW if she's in her most uber form), and her teammates will really have an edge. she doesnt have to use someone shown here i think. her powers stretch very far

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
she doesnt have to use someone shown here i think. her powers stretch very far

I think she's better off yanking those present, though. The only ones at a distance that would be significantly more powerful, also won't last very long, and if she yanks from the other team she not only boosts herself but removes the enemy's strongest from consideration.

one of the vishanti?

DC wins for the aforementioned reasons.

Black Alice

If it's a Black Alice who isn't crazy in the mind, she gives team 1 the win.

wouldnt the most current version of the scarlet witch still be an omniversal warper? BA might take her chaos magic, but not her mutant power, which would still make it a stomp in favour of team marvel.

We don't know anything about Wanda yet. We know she's alive, but not if she retained her powers or not.

she certainly retained them as she was unconsciously warping the house she slept with clint in. her level is a different story, but without anything else to go by, I think we should just go with the last time she used her powers.

I doubt she is at her multiversal levels. They usually power them down.

Isn't her reality warping more from her magic than her mutant powers? Or, at least, a combination of the two?

I thought it's chaos magic.

IIRC they thought it was Chaos magic but then it was retconned to being reality warping... but then I think Dr. Strange said it was Chaos magic after that or something... or maybe he said Chaos magic never existed? I don't remember but it was stupid.

Originally posted by Konton
IIRC they thought it was Chaos magic but then it was retconned to being reality warping... but then I think Dr. Strange said it was Chaos magic after that or something... or maybe he said Chaos magic never existed? I don't remember but it was stupid.

Reality warping is an effect that can be done via different means, including magic.

Originally posted by Konton
IIRC they thought it was Chaos magic but then it was retconned to being reality warping... but then I think Dr. Strange said it was Chaos magic after that or something... or maybe he said Chaos magic never existed? I don't remember but it was stupid.

Originally posted by Q99
Reality warping is an effect that can be done via different means, including magic.

Well, to an extent - yeah. But one of the (many convoluted) plot points in HoM was that Wanda's powers weren't what they thought they were and she had actually just been a reality warper the whole time.

Seems Marvel doesn't know what to do with Wanda.

Originally posted by Konton
IIRC they thought it was Chaos magic but then it was retconned to being reality warping... but then I think Dr. Strange said it was Chaos magic after that or something... or maybe he said Chaos magic never existed? I don't remember but it was stupid.

It's mind boggling that people actually consider Bendis to be a great Avengers writer.

Sooooo, what levels are Wanda at now?

No more Black Alice

No more Black Alice what?

Thats what Wanda would say FTW

Or Zatanna could reverse that.

DC Merlin's Opener powers are a major factor here

Originally posted by Endless Mike
DC Merlin's Opener powers are a major factor here

?? Please explain.

Originally posted by MrMind
team dc:
dr fate
zatanna
Morgaine Le Fey
black alice
enchantress
circe
raven
merlin

team marvel:
dr strange
enchantress
loki
dr doom
baron mordo
scarlet witch
wiccan
Morgan Le Fay
brother voodoo

1st battle: current version for all (or their level before they were dead)
2nd battle: dr strange and dr fate at their peak level (so yes classic strange vs pre-crisis fate)

Anyway, for best matchups...

Dr. Strange = Dr. Fate (Depending on which Fate, of course)
Raven> Wiccan
Merlin>Dr. Doom
Zatanna> Scarlet Witch (Assuming this isn't HOM Wanda)
Circe> Loki
Morgan = Morgan
Black Alice> Brother Voodoo (Or pretty much anyone on either side)
Enchantress> Enchantress (Marvel's Enchantress is greater than DC's)

Overall, DC for a solid majority.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
?? Please explain.

In Books of Magic (yes, it's canon), it's explained that Merlin was an "Opener", who has the ability to create universes at will

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Anyway, for best matchups...

Dr. Strange = Dr. Fate (Depending on which Fate, of course)
Raven> Wiccan
Merlin>Dr. Doom
Zatanna> Scarlet Witch (Assuming this isn't HOM Wanda)
Circe> Loki
Morgan = Morgan
Black Alice> Brother Voodoo (Or pretty much anyone on either side)
Enchantress> Enchantress (Marvel's Enchantress is greater than DC's)

Overall, DC for a solid majority.



Just the part with Enchantress confuses me. I though you said Marvels is greater.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime


Just the part with Enchantress confuses me. I though you said Marvels is greater.

I think Marvel's Enchantress is greater. DC's is a formidable mage, but not as powerful or as experienced as the MU. JMO.

Is this Marquis of Death doom?

Originally posted by BattleMage
Is this Marquis of Death doom? Does it even matter it wasn't a huge upgrade anyways