Mr. Sinister and Apocalypse vs Maxima

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SuperMan103
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Cis and pis are off.

Blight
Seriously... has she been in a comic really recently or something?? Why is she being put up against the entire world?

SuperMan103
it's the new forum trend.

GRIMNIR
Mr Sinister and Apocalypse win 10/10

the ninjak
Team Poccy ftw!

GRIMNIR
apocaylpse would beat maxima on his own

doesnt need sinister

Omega Vision
^LOL

Maxima.

GRIMNIR
Originally posted by Omega Vision
^LOL

Maxima.

^LOL

Apocalypse.

Konton
Maxima for the majority.

She eye blasts Sinister to his death and then can really do whatever she wants with Apocalypse.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by GRIMNIR
^LOL

Apocalypse.
Explain.

GRIMNIR
What powers does Maxima have?

What powers does Apocalypse have?

Apocalypse is more powerful, stop hating on him and being foolish

Omega Vision
Originally posted by GRIMNIR
What powers does Maxima have?

What powers does Apocalypse have?

Apocalypse is more powerful, stop hating on him and being foolish
High end telepathy, which Apoc doesn't have.

The strength, speed, and durability to go toe to toe with Superman, which Apoc doesn't have.

High end telekinesis, which Apoc doesn't have.

Apoc has malleability, sure, but that's not much of a trump card.

Maxima takes this decisively.

Konton
I'm waiting on the adamantium bullet spitting argument.

GRIMNIR
Originally posted by Omega Vision
High end telepathy, which Apoc doesn't have.

The strength, speed, and durability to go toe to toe with Superman, which Apoc doesn't have.

High end telekinesis, which Apoc doesn't have.

Apoc has malleability, sure, but that's not much of a trump card.

Maxima takes this decisively.

rubbish

Here is Apocalypse powerset

Superhuman Strength
Superhuman Durability
Superhuman Speed
Telekinesis
Telepathy
Teleportation
Flight
Energy Projection
Energy Absorption
Limitless Stamina
Does not age
Generate Force Fields
Transmutation powers
Bio Molecular Alteration powers
Genius Intelligence

Zack Fair
Maxima can mess Apocalypse real good.

Chances are a TK thrown table will do the deed.


durw00t

GRIMNIR
apocalypse is stronger and more powerful
if she tries mind control he would laugh at her and say I am APOCALYPSE you think you can control MEEEEE
if she tries telekinesis on him he just teleport behind her and turn hands into anvils, then squash her head like a grapefruit
what else she gonna try?

Zack Fair
Originally posted by GRIMNIR
apocalypse is stronger and more powerful
if she tries mind control he would laugh at her and say I am APOCALYPSE you think you can control MEEEEE
if she tries telekinesis on him he just teleport behind her and turn hands into anvils, then squash her head like a grapefruit
what else she gonna try?

Table.

GRIMNIR
Originally posted by Zack Fair
Table.

What the hell you talking about? roll eyes (sarcastic)

Omega Vision
Superhuman Strength-Much less impressive than Maxima's
Superhuman Durability-Again less impressive
Superhuman Speed-Lol.
Telekinesis-Doesn't even compare to Maxima's
Telepathy-It's debatable if he has telepathy at all, but if he does its certainly not the equal of Max's
Teleportation-so does Maxima
Flight-same for Max
Energy Projection-Maxima has better
Energy Absorption-To what degree?
Limitless Stamina-Not going to matter
Does not age-Not going to matter
Generate Force Fields-So can Maxima
Transmutation powers-No he doesn't, Maxima does though
Bio Molecular Alteration powers-Not going to be an issue in this fight
Genius Intelligence-how is that going to matter here?

Mindset
Team.

Zack Fair
Originally posted by Omega Vision

Genius Intelligence-how is that going to matter here?

He is smart enough to realize he will get pawned by a ginger girl, none the less, and throws Sinister at the lioness so he can flee.

753
team can get wins, but I don't know if they'd get a majority.

TheTyrant
Originally posted by Omega Vision
High end telepathy, which Apoc doesn't have.

Assuming what you say is true about Apocalypse not having any telepathic abilities, he still isn't getting mind-raped by her or any other telepath without some bull-shit plot device.



You tell me how that works, Omega Vision. Apocalypse at his normal size has proven himself to be a high end class 100 capable of putting down a class 50 x 6 with one punch and effortlessly holding She-Hulk by the neck while being occupied with another task. Here, without CIS to hold him back, he could instantly increase his mass, density, and size in order to become even more physically formidable.

As for durability, Apocalypse has tanked blasts from the likes of Stryfe, Cable, and Exodus. Any of these guys and could seriously hurt Superman with their most powerful attacks if Supes decided to just stand there and try to tank. And since Maxima is going to fight to the best of her abilities, then so is Apocalypse. He would turn his body into adamantium and be immune to everything Maxima can throw at him physically.



Him lifting a castle that had been buried under sand with tk isn't good enough? What has Maxima done that's so impressive excluding retarded high-end feats?


Haters gon' hate, even Black Bolt was getting more supporters against Maxima on KMC.

GRIMNIR
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Superhuman Strength-Much less impressive than Maxima's total BS Apocalypse is WAY stronger
Superhuman Durability-Again less impressive total BS Apoc WAY more durable
Superhuman Speed-Lol. what you laughin at?
Telekinesis-Doesn't even compare to Maxima's total BS
Telepathy-It's debatable if he has telepathy at all, but if he does its certainly not the equal of Max's he does and whether it is at her level or not is irrelevant as he is resistant to telepathy anyway so as you keep saying, not going to matter in this fight
Teleportation-so does Maxima
Flight-same for Max
Energy Projection-Maxima has better total BS
Energy Absorption-To what degree? to the degree where Maxima fires a blast and Apocalypse absorbs it and laughs at her
Limitless Stamina-Not going to matter
Does not age-Not going to matter
Generate Force Fields-So can Maxima
Transmutation powers-No he doesn't, Maxima does though total BS he DOES she DOESNT
Bio Molecular Alteration powers-Not going to be an issue in this fight, yeah it will if he turns his hands into anvils and squashes her head like a grapefruit
Genius Intelligence-how is that going to matter here? true doesnt matter as he doesnt even need his superior intelligence to squash her

TheTyrant
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Energy Absorption-To what degree?

Limitless energy absorption.




Explain the half-assed mantis creature he created then.

Mindset
Tyrant, you go girl!

753
Originally posted by TheTyrant
Explain the half-assed mantis creature he created then. it was buried in the sand and he ordered it to attack exodus

TheTyrant
Originally posted by Mindset
Tyrant, you go girl!

I'm going as hard as I can.

GRIMNIR
Tyrant knows Apocalypse and respects him thumb up

TheTyrant
Edit.

illadelph12
Originally posted by Zack Fair
Maxima can mess Apocalypse real good.

Chances are a TK thrown table will do the deed.


durw00t

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Table.

There's always one... facepalm

Existere
Originally posted by TheTyrant
I'm going as hard as I can. lolwut

Zack Fair
Originally posted by illadelph12
There's always one... facepalm

awesome

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by Omega Vision
High end telepathy, which Apoc doesn't have.

The strength, speed, and durability to go toe to toe with Superman, which Apoc doesn't have.

High end telekinesis, which Apoc doesn't have.

Apoc has malleability, sure, but that's not much of a trump card.

Maxima takes this decisively.

Preeeety much.

zopzop
Maxima

Q99
Does Sinister's presence even matter? I can't think what he'd do to help.

iceman24567
Maxima beats this team into their grave

illadelph12
I say team. Most of Maxima's offense won't really effect Apocalypse, and options like bio warfare are still on the table. Every match doesn't have to be a punch and blast fest.

Nihilist
Team get a majority.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by illadelph12
I say team. Most of Maxima's offense won't really effect Apocalypse, and options like bio warfare are still on the table. Every match doesn't have to be a punch and blast fest.
Its not much of a team. As others have pointed out Sinister is basically a non factor.

This is you trying to project how you'd fight onto how Apocalypse would fight.

TricksterPriest
Originally posted by spetznaz
If there was an inter-company exchange draft, Apoc is a character that needs to immediately move to DC.

He'd be a world beater. Not even a team beater ....a world beater.

This is why, for instance, I did not say who would win between MM and Apoc (because, if Apoc was written well he would be a nightmare). I decided to just concentrate on the underestimation of the Martian Manhunter (no need to touch on Apoc ....nearly everyone here knows he is written soppy and downgraded by Marvel, but MM on the other hand is written very well by DC, but most people on KMC still sleep on him ....although I'd bet most of those are Wikipedia-readers who never touch comics, check something out on Wiki, and then come and post). That is why i did not say MM would win, or Apoc would win.

But it's true .....in the same way that MM is slept on by KMC members, Apocalypse is SERIOUSLY slept on by Marvel Comics.

It is like he stole money or something!

The first and last word on this subject. I hope he comes back some day. sad

Konton
Originally posted by illadelph12
I say team. Most of Maxima's offense won't really effect Apocalypse, and options like bio warfare are still on the table. Every match doesn't have to be a punch and blast fest.

sad

Maxima teleports him into the sun. Or she punches him there.

If this was Superman with the addition of tp/tk you guys would be singing a different tune.

TricksterPriest
Delph wouldn't. He hates Superman because he represents 'The Man'. stick out tongue

GRIMNIR
Originally posted by Konton
sad

Maxima teleports him into the sun. Or she punches him there.

If this was Superman with the addition of tp/tk you guys would be singing a different tune.

As if that would ever happen

Apocalypse grabs Maxima by throat rips her head off and teleport inside the sun, burns her brain cells and then teleports himself out again

zopzop
Originally posted by illadelph12
I say team. Most of Maxima's offense won't really effect Apocalypse, and options like bio warfare are still on the table. Every match doesn't have to be a punch and blast fest.

What's stopping Maxima from BFRing Apoc by creating a table using her telekinesis and hurling it at Apoc? Then it'd be only her and Sinister and he'd last all of 6 seconds. laughing

753
Originally posted by Konton
sad

Maxima teleports him into the sun. Or she punches him there.

If this was Superman with the addition of tp/tk you guys would be singing a different tune. well, she aint really on par with him to begin with. no true superspeed to speak of and both weaker and more fragile.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by GRIMNIR
As if that would ever happen

Apocalypse grabs Maxima by throat rips her head off and teleport inside the sun, burns her brain cells and then teleports himself out again
facepalm

Originally posted by 753
well, she aint really on par with him to begin with. no true superspeed to speak of and both weaker and more fragile.
A bloodlusted Superman would wreck her no doubt, but she's gone toe to toe with regular Superman and even won at one point in h/h.

She is without a doubt Apocalypse's superior in terms of physical power and speed. But you don't have to be = to Superman to be that.

inimalist
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
He hates Superman because he represents 'The Man'. stick out tongue

thumb up

753
Originally posted by Omega Vision
facepalm


A bloodlusted Superman would wreck her no doubt, but she's gone toe to toe with regular Superman and even won at one point in h/h.

She is without a doubt Apocalypse's superior in terms of physical power and speed. But you don't have to be = to Superman to be that. no doubt there

illadelph12
Smh...

F*ckin' Table meme...

Anyway, for starters, Apoc has teleportation as well, so the chances of Maxima bfring Apocalypse is comical to begin with. As a matter of fact, Apocalypse has all of the powers that Maxima has, sans high end telepathy (he is a telepath, but hasn't been shown to use it offensively as much as simply reading minds and having extremely strong telepathic defenses), but with the additional techno-organic shape-shifting. Apocalypse is basically and old Egyptian Martian Manhunter without offensive telepathy feats. Apocalypse isn't a speedster, but he has the reflexes, malleability, and teleportation to deal with speedsters on his own terms (on panel), as well as the ability to morph a means of propulsion from his form in order to grant himself super speed flight and motion (on panel he's done this several times, most notably battling the High Evolutionary and when he buzzed the Baxter Building and scared the crap out of the F4). The main thing Maxima has going for her in this match is the KMC Anti-Apoc Meme and the fact people won't accept what Apocalypse is actually capable of in favor of lame jokes. Maxima's telepathy and TK aren't going to gain her a win as Apoc has defenses for both and has on panel tanked full bore telekinetic assaults from Stryfe, X-Man, and Exodus, as well as telepathic assaults from Xavier, Jean Grey, etc. Physically assaulting Apocalypse is essentially a wasted effort given his durability, shape-shifting, and density control. BFR won't work as Apocalypse has tactical teleportation of himself, others, and objects (shown numerous times on panel).

On the flip side, however, you have two master geneticists who have created plagues and other forms of bio weapons (one who is infected with the TO virus to begin with and can use it as a weapon), against a character that, on panel, has not shown any immunity to engineered viral weapons (she hasn't encountered them, so we can't simply assume immunity to all disease because she's an alien). And while there's no prep, there is on the fly tactics. Assuming that all combatants just charge eachother swinging is juvenile. Apocalypse could simply teleport the equipment needed to himself during combat or teleport Sinister to a lab to gather a bio agent to use on Maxima while he engages Maxima directly. The avenue for victory is there for Sinister and Apocalypse to take this match. It's not just gonna be punch-punch-blast-punch-blast. I know hating on Apocalypse is trendy around here, but ya'll are ridiculous.

illadelph12
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Delph wouldn't. He hates Superman because he represents 'The Man'. stick out tongue

I hate Superman because his pops tried to lock me up.

Existere
Originally posted by illadelph12
Smh...

F*ckin' Table meme...

Anyway, for starters, Apoc has teleportation as well, so the chances of Maxima bfring Apocalypse is comical to begin with. As a matter of fact, Apocalypse has all of the powers that Maxima has, sans high end telepathy (he is a telepath, but hasn't been shown to use it offensively as much as simply reading minds and having extremely strong telepathic defenses), but with the additional techno-organic shape-shifting. Apocalypse is basically and old Egyptian Martian Manhunter without offensive telepathy feats. Apocalypse isn't a speedster, but he has the reflexes, malleability, and teleportation to deal with speedsters on his own terms (on panel), as well as the ability to morph a means of propulsion from his form in order to grant himself super speed flight and motion (on panel he's done this several times, most notably battling the High Evolutionary and when he buzzed the Baxter Building and scared the crap out of the F4). The main thing Maxima has going for her in this match is the KMC Anti-Apoc Meme and the fact people won't accept what Apocalypse is actually capable of in favor of lame jokes. Maxima's telepathy and TK aren't going to gain her a win as Apoc has defenses for both and has on panel tanked full bore telekinetic assaults from Stryfe, X-Man, and Exodus, as well as telepathic assaults from Xavier, Jean Grey, etc. Physically assaulting Apocalypse is essentially a wasted effort given his durability, shape-shifting, and density control. BFR won't work as Apocalypse has tactical teleportation of himself, others, and objects (shown numerous times on panel).

On the flip side, however, you have two master geneticists who have created plagues and other forms of bio weapons (one who is infected with the TO virus to begin with and can use it as a weapon), against a character that, on panel, has not shown any immunity to engineered viral weapons (she hasn't encountered them, so we can't simply assume immunity to all disease because she's an alien). And while there's no prep, there is on the fly tactics. Assuming that all combatants just charge eachother swinging is juvenile. Apocalypse could simply teleport the equipment needed to himself during combat or teleport Sinister to a lab to gather a bio agent to use on Maxima while he engages Maxima directly. The avenue for victory is there for Sinister and Apocalypse to take this match. It's not just gonna be punch-punch-blast-punch-blast. I know hating on Apocalypse is trendy around here, but ya'll are ridiculous. If we only took powersets into account, this would be a pretty accurate assessment.

It's too bad we also have to consider Apocalypse's personality, and penchant for forgetting the large variety of ways open to him to deal with, say, an opponent's super strength.

753
Originally posted by illadelph12
Smh...

F*ckin' Table meme...

Anyway, for starters, Apoc has teleportation as well, so the chances of Maxima bfring Apocalypse is comical to begin with. As a matter of fact, Apocalypse has all of the powers that Maxima has, sans high end telepathy (he is a telepath, but hasn't been shown to use it offensively as much as simply reading minds and having extremely strong telepathic defenses), but with the additional techno-organic shape-shifting. Apocalypse is basically and old Egyptian Martian Manhunter without offensive telepathy feats. Apocalypse isn't a speedster, but he has the reflexes, malleability, and teleportation to deal with speedsters on his own terms (on panel), as well as the ability to morph a means of propulsion from his form in order to grant himself super speed flight and motion (on panel he's done this several times, most notably battling the High Evolutionary and when he buzzed the Baxter Building and scared the crap out of the F4). The main thing Maxima has going for her in this match is the KMC Anti-Apoc Meme and the fact people won't accept what Apocalypse is actually capable of in favor of lame jokes. Maxima's telepathy and TK aren't going to gain her a win as Apoc has defenses for both and has on panel tanked full bore telekinetic assaults from Stryfe, X-Man, and Exodus, as well as telepathic assaults from Xavier, Jean Grey, etc. Physically assaulting Apocalypse is essentially a wasted effort given his durability, shape-shifting, and density control. BFR won't work as Apocalypse has tactical teleportation of himself, others, and objects (shown numerous times on panel).

On the flip side, however, you have two master geneticists who have created plagues and other forms of bio weapons (one who is infected with the TO virus to begin with and can use it as a weapon), against a character that, on panel, has not shown any immunity to engineered viral weapons (she hasn't encountered them, so we can't simply assume immunity to all disease because she's an alien). And while there's no prep, there is on the fly tactics. Assuming that all combatants just charge eachother swinging is juvenile. Apocalypse could simply teleport the equipment needed to himself during combat or teleport Sinister to a lab to gather a bio agent to use on Maxima while he engages Maxima directly. The avenue for victory is there for Sinister and Apocalypse to take this match. It's not just gonna be punch-punch-blast-punch-blast. I know hating on Apocalypse is trendy around here, but ya'll are ridiculous. the problem is that despite the versatility their plot device powersets allow, they're below her in power output levels.

none of poccy's stats other than damage soak match hers and while he has resisted impressive TK blasts, he has also been severely hurt by them and knew damn well that cable (or x-man) could kill him.

bio warfare is great and all, but I dont recall them creating and releasing a plague mid-battle. poccy is all implied power and disapointment.

GRIMNIR
Originally posted by illadelph12
Smh...

F*ckin' Table meme...

Anyway, for starters, Apoc has teleportation as well, so the chances of Maxima bfring Apocalypse is comical to begin with. As a matter of fact, Apocalypse has all of the powers that Maxima has, sans high end telepathy (he is a telepath, but hasn't been shown to use it offensively as much as simply reading minds and having extremely strong telepathic defenses), but with the additional techno-organic shape-shifting. Apocalypse is basically and old Egyptian Martian Manhunter without offensive telepathy feats. Apocalypse isn't a speedster, but he has the reflexes, malleability, and teleportation to deal with speedsters on his own terms (on panel), as well as the ability to morph a means of propulsion from his form in order to grant himself super speed flight and motion (on panel he's done this several times, most notably battling the High Evolutionary and when he buzzed the Baxter Building and scared the crap out of the F4). The main thing Maxima has going for her in this match is the KMC Anti-Apoc Meme and the fact people won't accept what Apocalypse is actually capable of in favor of lame jokes. Maxima's telepathy and TK aren't going to gain her a win as Apoc has defenses for both and has on panel tanked full bore telekinetic assaults from Stryfe, X-Man, and Exodus, as well as telepathic assaults from Xavier, Jean Grey, etc. Physically assaulting Apocalypse is essentially a wasted effort given his durability, shape-shifting, and density control. BFR won't work as Apocalypse has tactical teleportation of himself, others, and objects (shown numerous times on panel).

On the flip side, however, you have two master geneticists who have created plagues and other forms of bio weapons (one who is infected with the TO virus to begin with and can use it as a weapon), against a character that, on panel, has not shown any immunity to engineered viral weapons (she hasn't encountered them, so we can't simply assume immunity to all disease because she's an alien). And while there's no prep, there is on the fly tactics. Assuming that all combatants just charge eachother swinging is juvenile. Apocalypse could simply teleport the equipment needed to himself during combat or teleport Sinister to a lab to gather a bio agent to use on Maxima while he engages Maxima directly. The avenue for victory is there for Sinister and Apocalypse to take this match. It's not just gonna be punch-punch-blast-punch-blast. I know hating on Apocalypse is trendy around here, but ya'll are ridiculous.

thumb up

next 2 posts = bangin

Omega Vision
Originally posted by illadelph12
Smh...

F*ckin' Table meme...

Anyway, for starters, Apoc has teleportation as well, so the chances of Maxima bfring Apocalypse is comical to begin with. As a matter of fact, Apocalypse has all of the powers that Maxima has, sans high end telepathy (he is a telepath, but hasn't been shown to use it offensively as much as simply reading minds and having extremely strong telepathic defenses), but with the additional techno-organic shape-shifting. Apocalypse is basically and old Egyptian Martian Manhunter without offensive telepathy feats. Apocalypse isn't a speedster, but he has the reflexes, malleability, and teleportation to deal with speedsters on his own terms (on panel), as well as the ability to morph a means of propulsion from his form in order to grant himself super speed flight and motion (on panel he's done this several times, most notably battling the High Evolutionary and when he buzzed the Baxter Building and scared the crap out of the F4). The main thing Maxima has going for her in this match is the KMC Anti-Apoc Meme and the fact people won't accept what Apocalypse is actually capable of in favor of lame jokes. Maxima's telepathy and TK aren't going to gain her a win as Apoc has defenses for both and has on panel tanked full bore telekinetic assaults from Stryfe, X-Man, and Exodus, as well as telepathic assaults from Xavier, Jean Grey, etc. Physically assaulting Apocalypse is essentially a wasted effort given his durability, shape-shifting, and density control. BFR won't work as Apocalypse has tactical teleportation of himself, others, and objects (shown numerous times on panel).

On the flip side, however, you have two master geneticists who have created plagues and other forms of bio weapons (one who is infected with the TO virus to begin with and can use it as a weapon), against a character that, on panel, has not shown any immunity to engineered viral weapons (she hasn't encountered them, so we can't simply assume immunity to all disease because she's an alien). And while there's no prep, there is on the fly tactics. Assuming that all combatants just charge eachother swinging is juvenile. Apocalypse could simply teleport the equipment needed to himself during combat or teleport Sinister to a lab to gather a bio agent to use on Maxima while he engages Maxima directly. The avenue for victory is there for Sinister and Apocalypse to take this match. It's not just gonna be punch-punch-blast-punch-blast. I know hating on Apocalypse is trendy around here, but ya'll are ridiculous.
Teleporting Sinster would be self bfr.

And hey while we're at it why not allow Maxima to transport the Almeracian army?

zopzop
Originally posted by 753
poccy is all implied power and disapointment.

But he got that cool big "A" belt buckle! Hater!!!!! mad

TheTyrant
Originally posted by Konton
sad

Maxima teleports him into the sun. Or she punches him there.

If this was Superman with the addition of tp/tk you guys would be singing a different tune.

So Apocalypse is just going to sit there and let Maxima teleport him into the sun? And last time I checked, he possesses the ability to teleport as well.

Basically, in this thread we have people assuming that Maxima is going to fight to the best of her abilities whereas Apocalypse is going to fight like a retard without properly utilizing any of his powers. CIS is off for both characters you people.

illadelph12
Originally posted by Existere
If we only took powersets into account, this would be a pretty accurate assessment.

It's too bad we also have to consider Apocalypse's personality, and penchant for forgetting the large variety of ways open to him to deal with, say, an opponent's super strength.

Even taking his personality into account my comment stands. Apocalypse is a schemer and acts via proxy, but when he has to engage in direct combat, on panel, he's used his powers to great effect. The Ikaris encounter, his battles with X-Factor and the X-Men, and his battle with High Evolutionary all show this. Most Apocalypse appearances don't display him engaged in combat, but on the occurrences when he has actually fought in his 616 version he has proven to be exceptionally formidable. The statement that he doesn't use his powers in combat is a board myth. The truth is that he doesn't take the direct approach in most of his appearances, not that when he actually does he isn't formidable.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Teleporting Sinster would be self bfr.

And hey while we're at it why not allow Maxima to transport the Almeracian army?

Sinister is a combatant. Apocalypse teleporting him somewhere during battle so he can get something already in his possession for use in battle is very different than bringing in other active combatants like you suggest. It's like a Dr. Doom vs thread where he is argued to use tech not normally on his person (like the gun he used to encase Storm in metal) but is known to be in Doom's possession at Castle Doom. Sinister is in the top 3 of Marvel Geneticists behind H.E. and Apoc. Dude has options beyond punching and kicking. So does Apoc. Hell, so does Maxima. Quit simplifying combat.

753
It's still self BFR.

Romulus is supposed to be a better geneticist than sinister and magneto shits all over his feats.

illadelph12
Depends on the battlfield.

TricksterPriest
Originally posted by illadelph12
Smh...

F*ckin' Table meme...

Anyway, for starters, Apoc has teleportation as well, so the chances of Maxima bfring Apocalypse is comical to begin with. As a matter of fact, Apocalypse has all of the powers that Maxima has, sans high end telepathy (he is a telepath, but hasn't been shown to use it offensively as much as simply reading minds and having extremely strong telepathic defenses), but with the additional techno-organic shape-shifting. Apocalypse is basically and old Egyptian Martian Manhunter without offensive telepathy feats. Apocalypse isn't a speedster, but he has the reflexes, malleability, and teleportation to deal with speedsters on his own terms (on panel), as well as the ability to morph a means of propulsion from his form in order to grant himself super speed flight and motion (on panel he's done this several times, most notably battling the High Evolutionary and when he buzzed the Baxter Building and scared the crap out of the F4). The main thing Maxima has going for her in this match is the KMC Anti-Apoc Meme and the fact people won't accept what Apocalypse is actually capable of in favor of lame jokes. Maxima's telepathy and TK aren't going to gain her a win as Apoc has defenses for both and has on panel tanked full bore telekinetic assaults from Stryfe, X-Man, and Exodus, as well as telepathic assaults from Xavier, Jean Grey, etc. Physically assaulting Apocalypse is essentially a wasted effort given his durability, shape-shifting, and density control. BFR won't work as Apocalypse has tactical teleportation of himself, others, and objects (shown numerous times on panel).

On the flip side, however, you have two master geneticists who have created plagues and other forms of bio weapons (one who is infected with the TO virus to begin with and can use it as a weapon), against a character that, on panel, has not shown any immunity to engineered viral weapons (she hasn't encountered them, so we can't simply assume immunity to all disease because she's an alien). And while there's no prep, there is on the fly tactics. Assuming that all combatants just charge eachother swinging is juvenile. Apocalypse could simply teleport the equipment needed to himself during combat or teleport Sinister to a lab to gather a bio agent to use on Maxima while he engages Maxima directly. The avenue for victory is there for Sinister and Apocalypse to take this match. It's not just gonna be punch-punch-blast-punch-blast. I know hating on Apocalypse is trendy around here, but ya'll are ridiculous.

Regarding the teleporting Sinister out, I'm quite sure that violates the rules, Delph. Apoc has created compounds using his body and matter manipulation, so why not just have Sinister tell him a formula and Apoc can whip some up?

If Maxima went toes with Superman, she's leagues over Apoc in strength and durability. Her TK is formidable, I don't think Apoc has ever faced anyone with that level of TK.

And dude, I don't think his speed feats support his being able to react to her.

I'm sorry man, but I do not believe Apoc as shown on panel, or even speculating based on high feats, is taking on DC herald levelers. no

Originally posted by illadelph12
I hate Superman because his pops tried to lock me up.

So.......he made you kneel? ermmhappy

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