Black Canary vs Nightwing

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D_Dude1210
Chick vs Dick.

Who wins?

No gear/weapons. No scream. Fight in a dojo (Matrix style) in just their gi.

Robin Dc
I think Nightwing has better fighting capabilities than black canary not to mention his agility.

Prep-Man
I was going to say BC stomps, because she just owned Mammoth with her scream. A guy who is pretty durable and can lift 70 or so tons. But this is a dojo style fight. I say NW 6/10.

aztec
Originally posted by Prep-Man
I was going to say BC stomps, because she just owned Mammoth with her scream. A guy who is pretty durable and can lift 70 or so tons. But this is a dojo style fight. I say NW 6/10.

Dinah's cry has also taken down Giganta, Green Lantern Constructs and buildings... If she were allowed to use her cry then it be a stomp in her favor.. But, with the stipulations, she takes 9/10.. I give Dick a win, because I'm being generous today. big grin

Zack Fair
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Chick vs Dick.

Who wins?


*Giggles*

BruceSkywalker
Nightwing takes it.. dinah although impressive in martial arts is no where nrear Dick's level of training.. Nightwing 9.9/10

Supermutant
Black Canary = Shiva
Shiva > Nightwing
Black Canary > Nightwing

Mindset
Nightwing

Supermutant
BC has been trained by Wildcat, Wonder Woman, Shiva, and Cassandra Cain. As well as trainging under Shiva's sensi. She actually has moves like Shiva when fighting to the extent that Cassandra Cain, thought she was Shiva. In terms of strength I believe Nightwing has an advantage as well as acrobatics. But as far as MA skill and speed, I would say Canary has the advantage there to win.

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JakeTheBank
Dinah. Lol @ NW winning 9/10 times, though.

Philosophía
Originally posted by Supermutant
Black Canary = Shiva Bad start.

Konton
Yeah, Canary doesn't beat Shiva.

I think Canary and Dick are really odd to place at present because they both keep getting better and better over time.

Supermutant
Prove her mma skills n training are not on par with Shiva. Cause I can easiy prove that they are.

-Pr-
I'd probably give it to Nightwing, though not by much.

Konton
Originally posted by Supermutant
Prove her mma skills n training are not on par with Shiva. Cause I can easiy prove that they are.

How about her not having any decisive wins over any other high end martial artist sans Brothers in Silk?

Q99
Canary has some respect from Shiva, but well, she was looking to Shiva to teach her for awhile, and said teaching produced noticeable improvement that GA and Cass both picked up on. There's still a clear gap there.

Supermutant
Even before trainging with Shiva and Sensi, she was able to stalemate Bronze Tiger in h2h even before the Gail Simone upgrade.

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Owns Shiva's teacher
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Dinah just doesn't train, she applies what she learns and destroys Savant in their second match. Savant is a very capable fighter who at one time was Oracle's bodyguard.

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Supermutant
Destroys League of Assassins member Merlyn. Nice skill feat catching an arrow in mid-air.

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Quickly owns Green Arrow who spent the past year training with mma masters.

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Supermutant
Oracle stated that Black Canary is good enough to take down Batman. Who would know better than the original Batgirl?

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Ne1 believe that she is not currently on Shiva's level who hasn't done anything impressive, and actually got tagged and was made to bleed by Huntress in a fight.

Konton
Looks like there's some context your aren't showing behind that Bronze Tiger thing.

Canary beat an old lady with no feats. Ok.

Canary beat Savant who is, although strong, not an accomplished fighter. Ok.

She didn't KO Merlyn in the first set of scans and the only reason she got him in the second set is because she used her voice to snap his bow string or something weird.

Yeah, yeah, she's good enough to beat her conflicted ex boyfriend.

Canary would get wins, but she wouldn't take Bruce for a majority.

Shiva didn't want to fight Huntress and it was really just a high end grit-showing for Helen. Let's not try and blow things out of proportion.

Supermutant
Originally posted by Konton
Looks like there's some context your aren't showing behind that Bronze Tiger thing.

No. It is from Suicide Squad vol 1 #13, SS vs JLI in Russian Prison. There's a good H2H fight between Batman and Rick Flag that I might post later in the Ownage thread.

Canary beat an old lady with no feats. Ok.

The fact that she was Shiva's teacher, and is still alive is a feat by itself because she killed most of them.

Canary beat Savant who is, although strong, not an accomplished fighter. Ok.

Her fight with him shows how she incorporated her training by teachers of the greatest skill to become such a masterful fighter.

She didn't KO Merlyn in the first set of scans and the only reason she got him in the second set is because she used her voice to snap his bow string or something weird.

The only reason he wasn't koed is because she wanted to location of her adopted daughter, Sin, who Merlyn kidnapped. Again she used her skill and had him dead to rights.

Yeah, yeah, she's good enough to beat her conflicted ex boyfriend.

Remember this was after he Trained with experts including Deathstroke's master, Natas.

]B]Canary would get wins, but she wouldn't take Bruce for a majority.
Bruce definitely have the feats, but its interesting what Oracle stated, bacause she generally doesn't make statements like that. And she has seen them both in action.

Shiva didn't want to fight Huntress and it was really just a high end grit-showing for Helen. Let's not try and blow things out of proportion.

Who's doing that. I didn't exaggerate what happen. Shiva doesn't have that many feats recently herself.

Robin Dc
Originally posted by Supermutant
Oracle stated that Black Canary is good enough to take down Batman. Who would know better than the original Batgirl?

When she said that she didn't mean in h2h only

Q99
Originally posted by Konton

Canary beat Savant who is, although strong, not an accomplished fighter. Ok.

Savant's a very accomplished fighter, he was iirc even mentioned as copying his skills off Batman or something like that (though slightly flawed, I think). Dinah also pointed out at one point that Savant was better than Huntress when warning Helena against fighting him.

You might be thinking of Creote, Savant's partner. Who seems to be a quite skilled fighter himself and was brought in to her anti-Brothers in Silk squad, but has less overtly addressed martial arts skills.

-Pr-
Canary also said that, iirc, Savant was good, but not "Batman good".

Konton
Originally posted by Q99
Savant's a very accomplished fighter, he was iirc even mentioned as copying his skills off Batman or something like that (though slightly flawed, I think). Dinah also pointed out at one point that Savant was better than Huntress when warning Helena against fighting him.

You might be thinking of Creote, Savant's partner. Who seems to be a quite skilled fighter himself and was brought in to her anti-Brothers in Silk squad, but has less overtly addressed martial arts skills.

I'm very familiar with Birds of Prey.

Being better than Huntress isn't really saying all that much anyhow.

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